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Today's poll got me thinking about young outfields -- not individual outfielders, but entire outfields. So here's a question ... who had the very best?

Strict parameters: all three starters aged 25 or younger and at least two (preferably three) starting-quality backups under the age of 30.

Simple enough? I have done absolutely zero research on this, relying entirely on my memory, so am probably missing several obvious candidates. Anyway, my top candidate, as much as I hate to admit it, is easily ...



... the 1975 Boston Red Sox, with a starting trio of LF Jim Rice (22), CF Fred Lynn (23) and RF Dwight Evans (23) ... coming off the bench were Bernie Carbo (27), Juan Beniquez (25) and Rick Miller (27) ... that trio in itself is a starting outfield many teams of the era would have loved to employ!

Looking at that team, Lynn was the best of the bunch at the time, Rice had the best prime and Evans had the best overall career. None of the three backups earned any Cooperstown votes, but then the starters really haven't, either.

Now, your candidates? Yes, yes, the 1985 Blue Jays had Barfield, Moseby and Bell (all age 25), but the backups -- stalwarts like Lou Thornton, Mitch Webster and Rick Leach -- while all under 30, don't quite measure up to that Red Sox crew.

Do the current Rays -- Crawford, Upton, Haynes and Gomes -- have a chance to measure up? Who else does? And who's missing from our (very short and late-20th-century) list anyway?


 

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ChicagoJaysFan - Thursday, May 01 2008 @ 02:04 PM EDT (#184132) #
Not sure if this one is better, but does at least deserve consideration

Starters: Grissom (25) - Walker (25) - Alou (25)
Backups: Vander Wal (26) - Calderon (30) - Stairs (24)

  • Walker with almost 2000 games played and a career 140 OPS+ will likely get serious HOF consideration if not induction
  • Alou wasn't quite as good - similar number of games and career 128 OPS+
  • Grissom - 4 time Gold Glove winner, amazing on the base paths, but not the hitter of the other two.
  • Vander Wal - mostly a career backup, but still put up a career OPS+ of 104 over 1300+ games
  • Caldron - short career that was actually just about to end, but was at the run of the following OPS+ streak: 129, 101, 119, 110, 139, 111 and being a starter in most years
  • Stairs - 1500+ games, career 120 OPS+
Reed did get more at-bats than Stairs, but when you're talking 80 versus 30 at-bats, neither really plays a big role.

Mike Green - Thursday, May 01 2008 @ 02:06 PM EDT (#184133) #
The great Yankee outfield of DiMaggio, Keller and Henrich narrowly missed your criteria in 1939 (Henrich was 26).  Twinkletoes Selkirk was a helluva 4th.

If Carlos Gonzalez had not been traded to the A's, he along with Chris Young and Justin Upton (with Eric Byrnes in reserve) would have made a contenda for the Snakes.

dan gordon - Thursday, May 01 2008 @ 02:28 PM EDT (#184137) #
Not quite as good, but the Expos had a fine young outfield in the late 70's with Dawson, Valentine and Cromartie all regulars under the age of 25.  J. White was a half-decent backup under 30, and the main backup, D. Unser was a pretty good player but just over 30.  They also had some guy name Raines a couple of years away.
uglyone - Thursday, May 01 2008 @ 02:36 PM EDT (#184138) #

yeah, I was thinking of that Expos outfield there.

I want to check on the early-90s rangers......

ah, not quite...1992: J.Gonzalez (22), R.Sierra (26), J.Canseco (27), K.Reimer (28), M.Fariss (24), J.Cangelosi (24), D.Hulse (24).

 

Magpie - Thursday, May 01 2008 @ 02:37 PM EDT (#184139) #
Did you think I would miss this?

The 1912 Red Sox, of course. Tris Speaker, Harry Hooper, and Duffy Lewis were all 24 years old. Lewis had only about a six year run as an outstanding player, but Hooper and Speaker are both in the Hall of Fame. While you might argue that Hooper only belongs in the Hall of the Very Good, Speaker more than makes up for that by being one of the greatest players who ever lived.

Magpie - Thursday, May 01 2008 @ 02:46 PM EDT (#184140) #
Reserves? Those guys didn't need no stinking reserves. Olaf Henriksen (aged 24) appears to have finished 11 games in RF, probably after coming in as a pinch-hitter. Which was his main job on the team (Olaf also plays a big role in the 1912 finale. You can find all of the Box's incomparable coverage of "The Year in Review: 1912" right here! Take the day!)
Mick Doherty - Thursday, May 01 2008 @ 03:02 PM EDT (#184143) #

I am surprised nobody has yet mentioned the woulda-coulda-shoulda '98 Jays trio of Stewart, Cruz and Green.

I am not at all surprised that Mags has tied this back to 1912, even bumping my '75 nominee from the front of Da Sawx'z franchise best young OF queue.

The '51 Giants just miss out with Don Mueller (24) and Bobby Thomson (27) flanking a lad named Mays, who was but 20 ... so their average age was 23.6 or somesuch ...

Spookie Wookie - Thursday, May 01 2008 @ 03:12 PM EDT (#184145) #

The '99 Royals had Damon (25), Beltran (22), and Dye (25).  Backups were Quinn (25), Pose (32), and Jeremy Giambi (24).

Not a bad outfield, but not even close to the Red Sox one.  I can't imagine there's one better than that; it's really unbelievable how good all three of those guys were given how young they were at the time.

uglyone - Thursday, May 01 2008 @ 03:13 PM EDT (#184146) #

1971 A's:

  • RF: R.Jackson , 25 yrs, 139 career OPS+, 14 all-stars, 1 MVP, 2 WS MVP
  • LF: J.Rudi, 24yrs, 112 career OPS+, 3 all-stars, 2 MVP runner-ups, 3 Gold Gloves, 1 hits leader
  • CF: R.Monday, 25 yrs, 125 career OPS+, 2 all-stars
  • OF: G.Hendrick, 21yrs, 116 career OPS+, 2 silver sluggers
  • OF: C.Blefary, 27yrs, 115 career OPS+, 1 ROY
  • OF A.Mangual, 24yrs, 83 career OPS+

I'd like to squeeze a 24-year old Gene Tenace in there too, as he was a bit of a utility guy at that point.

Of course, there's one backup OF who screws up the age thing, but who was pretty darn good too....but he played more 1B than OF anyways.....:

  • OF T.Davis, 32yrs, 108 career OPS+, 3 all-stars, 2 batting champs, 1 hits champ

 

 

uglyone - Thursday, May 01 2008 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#184147) #
Ach - I forgot to include Hendrick's 4 all-star game selections. sorry.
Magpie - Thursday, May 01 2008 @ 03:22 PM EDT (#184148) #
I'm thinking to myself - Gene Tenace? He never played the outfield! He was a catcher who played a lot of first base. But he actually did get into 11 career games in the outfield.

When he was a young (23 years old) batting champion, before the broken leg that destroyed his speed, Tommy Davis was part of a very impressive young outfield, with Willie Davis (aged 22) in centre and Big Frank Howard (25) in right. That group of 1962 Dodgers forced another fine young outfielder (23 year old Ron Fairly) to play first base, and a couple of very impressive older guys (Duke Snider and Wally Moon) into backup duty..

ChicagoJaysFan - Thursday, May 01 2008 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#184149) #
If we're going old-school, can you beat the 1894 original Orioles?

Not one HOF, but two: Willie Keeler and Joe Kelley.  Keeler was 22, Kelley was 22, and Steve Brodie was 25.  Obviously Brodie never did what Keeler (career OPS+ of 126) or Kelley (133) did, but a career 102 OPS+ isn't bad.  No wonder they won the pennant in 94, 95, and 96.

Their backups didn't really matter as they had 35 at-bats between the two of them.  Bonner and Baker weren't good, but at 24 and 25 years old, they do satisfy the age requirement at least.

ChicagoJaysFan - Thursday, May 01 2008 @ 03:53 PM EDT (#184151) #
Sorry ... when I first read Magpie's comment, I misread it so that I interpreted Hooper only being in the Hall of Very Good.  I didn't notice that he is in the HOF, but maybe only belongs in the HOVG.  So the Sox and the Orioles each had two HOFs.

I think it's pretty even between the two outfields.  Lewis and Brodie are each pretty distant #5 and #6 to the #1 of Speaker, #2 of Kelley, #3 of Keeler, and #4 of Hooper.

Makes me think of my snake drafts in fantasy leagues ... is it better to pick 1st and 24th (i.e. Boston with #1 and 4) or 12th and 13th (Orioles with #2 and 3)?

I give the edge to the Orioles though ... primarily on the principle that tie goes to the team that isn't the Yankees or Red Sox.
Mike Green - Thursday, May 01 2008 @ 03:53 PM EDT (#184152) #
The 1979 A's had Rickey Henderson (20), Dwayne Murphy (24) and Tony Armas (25) and a whole whack of young players behind them  (none of the position players on the team were over 30, and none of the pitchers were over 31).  Mike Health, Mitchell Page, Miguel Dilone, Glenn Burke and Mickey Klutts all saw time in the outfield.
Magpie - Thursday, May 01 2008 @ 04:05 PM EDT (#184153) #
The 1967 Houston Astros had Jimmy Wynn (25) in CF and Rusty Staub (23) in RF - neither are quite Hall of Famers, but both are pretty close; neither is a 21 year old LF named Bob Watson, who wouldn't make it to stay for a few more years and would spend most of his career at first base anyway.
Mick Doherty - Thursday, May 01 2008 @ 04:26 PM EDT (#184160) #
Actually, wasn't Watson a catcher at first, around that time?
lexomatic - Thursday, May 01 2008 @ 04:52 PM EDT (#184165) #

in the:" juuuuuuust a bit outside" category...

the 1992/1993 Cleveland team.

92 had an OF of Glenallen Hill 27, Kenny Lofton 25 and Mark Whiten 25 (with Albert Belle 25 DHing and playing 50+ games in the field) - bench of Tomas Howard and Alex Cole.

93 sees the debut of Manny (only 50 abs or so) with Lofton  and Belle in the field but now 26. Wayne Kirby is the other starter with Hill and Maldonado on the bench

the magic Belle, Lofton, Manny OF doesnt' appear until 1994 when only Manny is elligible, and the backups are only Kirby and Maldonado both over 30...

 

I would venture that's the best of the modern sets of OF's that just miss... based on career accomplishments

also.." Holy Jays connections, Batman!"

Jonny German - Friday, May 02 2008 @ 01:13 PM EDT (#184226) #
What's the relevance of "starting-quality backups"? If your 3 starters are stars, the backups are going to be seeing very little time. You'd be better off backing up your stars with a complimentary pair of specialists, an all-hit no-field guy plus an all-field no-hit guy, rather than a couple marginal starters. And if you've got another quality young up-and-comer, you're better off having him play full time in AAA.
Chuck - Friday, May 02 2008 @ 01:45 PM EDT (#184229) #

Actually, wasn't Watson a catcher at first, around that time?

Would the good folks at Topps lie?

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