Lind was hitting .365/.423/.587 in AAA, with 3 home runs, 6 walks and 10 strikeouts through 69 PAs.
Lind was hitting .365/.423/.587 in AAA, with 3 home runs, 6 walks and 10 strikeouts through 69 PAs.
-- Gerald Ford, August 9, 1974
Hey, kid. Welcome aboard. In case no one's told you, there are concerns that the season is swirling down the drain.
No pressure.
As Magpie said... no pressure.
You seem to be a little more bullish on Joe Inglett than I am. -;)
Adam is a solid biblical name and all, but Jesus might be more appropriate.
Agreed, though - no pressure. none whatsoever.
On a clear ball, Lind just grounded into a fielder's choice.
Send him down. Free....Ryan Patterson!
...and so on
/removes nerd glasses and steps out from mom's basement
Agreed, Vernon does not look good right now, Stairs need to be clean up, maybe Rolen 5th, and Wells 6th.
True, and while I'm thinking of it I'd like to get this one on the record when this season ultimately dissolves in an orgy of finger-pointing and character assassination. The first person to sprain his thumb on the panic button was none other than our esteemed general manager, who said after the meeting where Frank was released, that the Jays couldn't afford to fall too far behind while they waited for him to turn things around. The Jays were 10-10 at the time. No one else anywhere, as far as I am aware, had suggested that the season was in jeopardy.
So later on, when the same guy takes a shot at somebody for suggesting that the team is dead in the water, I need to remember who said it first, to preserve my sanity.
Dear JP,
The ship is sinking.
Regards, your friend, Shea.
OK kiddies -
Eck (the guy I love to hate) just got a single in the ninth. Hill - mister choke of late is up and flies out to center - two out. Now comes the Great Casey to the bat - er Rios - one ball, one strike - shudder. Six straight losses. 1 in 14 with runners in scoring position. That has got to change - even roadkill gets the occassional hit.
The good news - we've finally got the team that we'll either sink or swim with. I am suprisingly calm. Now is the time to sit back, buy an extra large buttered popcorn and watch us get back into this race by the All-Star game. If not - well - I could always go to the UK and watch Cricket - not the game - just the little insect.
...ARGH!!!!!
One player who impressed me tonight (apart from Marcum, who was terrific) was Eckstein. He had 3 hits and some great ABs after a rough night last night.
Not sure how it looked where everyone else was, but that ump had some interesting ball and strike calls tonight. One particular call that hurt was the first pitch to Lind in the 8th, clearly a ball. However he seemed equally bad and inconsistant with both clubs. Rolen looks fairly good so far to me. Zaun also had some good at bats.
I think I speak for all of us when I say...
I don't know, I find not having expectations helps the frustration.
Anyone have any thoughts about moving Hill up to leadoff, batting Overbay 2nd, dropping Eck to 9th and moving Zaun and Lind up to 7th and 8th? It's been a year and a couple of months since Overbay has shown much extra base power and while he has a high OBP, most of it seems to be coming via the walk which doesn't result in RBIs. Perhaps having him walk in front of Rios, Wells and Rolen will help produce some runs. Batting Eck 9th means that if he does get on base he still gets driven in by Hill's doubles. If the Jays are playing station-to-station and Eck isn't going to steal then maybe this is a profitable alternative.
It may be the case that Eck is more of a .330 OBP-type now and it's possible that Overbay may never get his home run power back in which case something must be done with him as the Jays are stuck with him at 1B until... Dopirak learns to hit offspeed stuff?! What do you do with a first baseman who can get on-base at a .390 clip but can't slug .400?
game 25- WPA heroes Eckstein (6), Stairs (3), Marcum (3) let downs Lind*, Wells (7), Hill (8), Rolen
* means more than +-.300
Well...there's a well-known analogy that fits here I think....
Well...there's a well-known analogy that fits here I think....
Is it the one about the Titanic?
2. Overbay
3. Rolen
4. Stairs
5. Wells
6. Hill
7. Lind
8. Zaun
9. Eckstein
Today was one thing - Jays really needed offense and were behind, so I don't object to Eckstein staying in. But the nonsense about playing Eckstein for 9 innings no matter what, even when we're leading in close games, while keeping a gold glover on the bench... has got to end. If it doesn't, I think we can legitimately begin to ask why Gibby still has a job because it's just poor managing.
Right now it's a race between Marco Scutaro and Shannon Stewart as to which player ends up being cut next. Joe Inglett probably replaces Scutaro with similar value ad a possible upside. As for LF...
This is a team that, quite frankly, needs a huge shakeup and a scary bat with power, plus a good OBP. Lind may be good, but isn't that. I don't care what Selig's office thinks - it's time to start thinking seriously about Barry Bonds as a LF/DH when Stewart goes - and the day a deal is worked out should be the end of Stewart's tenure.
Both Stairs, who has been surprisingly great given the hip, and "Free Adam" Lind, would still get a good playing time with Bonds around. Barry would rest some days, DH others. But Wells should not be hitting 3 or 4 in a major league lineup based on his performance last year and this year (6th more like), LF needs a serious bat upgrade, Stairs won't play every game and probably shouldn't field if his hip is a problem, and Rod Barajas is not a legitimate DH for a team with any pretense of contending. There may be players to be had cheap as a split boost - but I suspect Bonds would cost a lot less than most people would expect right now. And he'd fill holes and offer opportunities that a split-role player would not.
Yes, he comes with negatives. But (1) I think he would still be damn impressive even with no chemicals; and (b) as for clubhouse chemistry... precisely how much good is our present chemistry doing us right now?
Now, finding a right handed bat that is better than Stewart - that would be a fine idea. Obvious options...
- Mike Piazza: emergency catcher, can play first thus can give Stairs a night off or Overbay. A 96 OPS+ last year but that was his first sub-100 since he was a 23 year old rookie. He is 39 though with a lot of miles on those legs but is a free agent still thus would be cheap and easy to release if needed.
- Josh Phelps: In AAA for St Louis but would be easy to get I'm certain. Not hitting well at the moment (210/244/309) but hit 306/399/503 in limited playing time in the majors last year (183 PA) and lifetime in the majors is 273/344/476 112 OPS+ and vs LHP is 296/364/500 lifetime. He caught some last year (4 games in the majors) thus is a solid emergency catcher, backup at first, DH just like Piazza would be.
- Reggie Sanders: had a 135 OPS+ for the Royals in just 85 PA's last year. The past 5 years OPS+'s for him are 131-103-127-86-135. If healthy why not?
- Sammy Sosa: tons of controversy? Yup, but also hits lefties well still. 328-410-613 last season over 139 PA's, could platoon in LF or DH
- Julio Franco: OK, this is just because I'd love to see him play in the season he turns 50 during. 2005 was the last OPS+ over 100 but in extremely limited time (35 PA) last year he did hit LHP to the tune of 250/400/393
I checked http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004/06/free-agent-position-players.html to get an idea of who is available for nothing more than salary.
Mind you, Piazza would be an upgrade on Barajas, no?
I think Stewart will eventually hit. But I do think that he's going to be day-to-day for the rest of his career. He's just got one of those bodies - could pull a muscle going across the street for a loaf of bread.
As for Julio - hey, he's playing most every day for los Tigres de Quintana Roo. He's been in a bit of a slump lately, and he's hitting .254/.358/.347. But he's spending his summer in Cancun, playing baseball. Damn! That sounds great! Franco turns 50 in the last week of August, and come September 1 the Braves will almost surely sign him as a free agent to pinch hit a few times down the stretch. They were very pleased with what they got out of him last season.
First of all, despite going 0 for 4 tonight, I have no doubt that Lind will hit. This lineup is too good to keep struggling like this. The bats will break out soon enough. Now, I wouldn't mind seeing a cheap platoon partner for Stairs to DH against LHP, but I don't want Bonds here. I just can't stand the guy. I look at this lineup and pitching staff and know what Ricciardi sees. They should be really good. Hopefully it's just a slump. If they don't come around though, I'd bet my house that the team will be blown up before the deadline with Burnett, Eckstein, Overbay, Stairs, and maybe even Rolen and Ryan, up for grabs. I just don't think that's going to happen.
Getting back to Lind, as it turns out, Gibbons was apparently pressing to have Lind called up earlier but was denied. Service time was the problem, money was the issue. Ouch. As a die hard fan, that really irks me. My wife and I will be renting our movies from Blockbuster from now on and I'm switching my home phone and cellular to Bell!
Here's the source:
I'm wondering whether a flu bug is running through the team right now. Rios was out for a bit; if one guy gets it, usually they all get it. (Major league clubhouses are obviously not very sanitary places.) Perhaps they're not hitting because they all feel awful?
Or perhaps they're just pressing. Batting slumps can be contagious, especially when everybody knows that the team is hitting something like .037 with runners in scoring position. There's a sense of, "It's all up to me," and the result is another infield popup with a runner on third and one out. Vernon Wells, in particular, seems vulnerable to this; I'd move him out of the #4 slot, tell him to just relax, play centre field awesomely, and whatever happens, happens.
Rolen does look pretty good (based on the two games I've listened to on the radio, before I turned it off due to excessive gloom). After having been Tony LaRussa's personal whipping boy for two years, he can probably handle the pressure of being The Man in Toronto; I'd put him at #4 as soon as he's completely healthy.
And I am glad that Adam Lind is finally free. He needs a full shot at a starting job; the Jays need to learn whether he will be a long-term solution, or whether they have to wait for Travis Snider to grow up. Lind's career path has been remarkably similar to Vernon Wells': both men shot through the minors and had a year in which they regressed.
By the way, Frank Thomas is 1 for 10 in Oakland as I write this; he's had one single. He's now at .157. And Troy Tulowitzki ("the next Derek Jeter!") is currently batting .165 for the Colorado Rockies. So perhaps we should hold off on the J.P. Ricciardi Necktie Party for a while yet. :-) (Then again, Reed Johnson is hitting .324 for the Cubbies. No one's perfect.)
The first person to sprain his thumb on the panic button was none other than our esteemed general manager, who said after the meeting where Frank was released, that the Jays couldn't afford to fall too far behind while they waited for him to turn things around. The Jays were 10-10 at the time. No one else anywhere, as far as I am aware, had suggested that the season was in jeopardy.
Maybe J.P., or John Gibbons, thinks that his job is on the line this year. The Jays are expected to win, or at least contend; if they don't, Ted Rogers might want some heads to roll. Job insecurity tends to lead to panic.
After the rough starts to the careers of Quiroz, Navarro and Mathis, it would be amusing if all four of them went on to be solid major league catchers. It might yet happen, although the odds against Quiroz are pretty stiff.
Well this didn't take long. While Wells was knocking the cover off the ball, no one said a word. Once the league saw one turkey after another hitting behind him, he got pitched around. And guess what: he's pressing.
May be Rolen will eventually have to move up the order. But it would be nice to cut Wells a bit of slack. He carried the team for a week or two which is more than you can say about any other batter in this lineup.
I wouldn't mess with the lineup. Hill, Wells, even Rios are in a bit of a slump. Not going to last.
Well this didn't take long. While Wells was knocking the cover off the ball, no one said a word. Once the league saw one turkey after another hitting behind him, he got pitched around. And guess what: he's pressing.
Well he may infact be pressing and coming up with sub-par results. But really, it's hard to pitch around Wells if he won't let you, what with his own form of strikezone and overly aggresive batting approach. It Wells fault if he won't take BB's if they're being offered to him. Overbay and Zaun don't seem to have a problem with it.
Wells's career OPS against RHP is 776, which isn't good enough for a cleanup hitter, especially in our division. Against LHP, his career OPS is much higher: 901.
Scott Rolen's career OPS against righties is 865, almost 100 points better than V-Dub. Of course, that includes some monster years from his prime. But if Rolen shows he can still hit, I would rather see him hitting 4th.
Personally I think the Jays are panicking too soon, not because the lack of Right-handed DH hitting is not a problem, it is a problem, but because dumping these players for other elderly Right-handed DH options seems unlikely to produce better results. Is an old hitter who is slumping less likely to hit later in the year than an old hitter who isn't even on a team? I tend to agree with JP's defense that Stewart is a career 300 hitter, and will come around, although using that argument somewhat undermines the case that Thomas should be benched because he wasn't hitting. He, too, is a career 300 hitter.
This offseason JP acquired some players in their mid-30's who could run out of gas at any moment, which is a clever strategy for a mid-market team trying to compete again large market teams (it is easier to find a good deal on older players), but makes the question of when a player has run out of gas very important. If we jettison too many parts, it will reach a point where the replacements will have a smaller likelihood of contributing. That said, I am curious if anyone has a way of deciding when a player is done, how long should they be given?
I hadn't realized how poorly Wells has done in his career against righties. That is MI hitting 7th or 8th in the batting order poorly.
Well Wells isn't getting pitched around at the moment, though I agree it is ridiculously short sighted to push the panic button at this point. However, as has been pointed out, Wells might not have been the best choice to hit 4th - I didn't think so before the year, nor when the Jays got off to their hot start.
Scott Rolen's career OPS against righties is 865, almost 100 points better than V-Dub. Of course, that includes some monster years from his prime. But if Rolen shows he can still hit, I would rather see him hitting 4th.
I'd still give it a month. Rolen is still banged up. Career numbers aren't so important because both players have had up and down years and it's to soon to tell what kind of year they're having.
I disagree. Overbay (high OBP) should be hitting near the top of the order, and I have no problem with Rios leading off. As long as Eckstein is NOT leading off it is an improved lineup.
Yes, and I sent a grouchy email to their sales dept.
sales@trader.ca
7 IP so far 1 ER, 2 runs total, 0 walks, 4 K's, 5 hits, 93 pitches. Sweet. Only problem is he'll have to be sworn at next time he has a bad game :)
5 times through the rotation and Litsch is the only one with 3 wins. Go figure. Litsch and Burnett are the two slow pokes in ERA, the rest of the rotation is above 100 for ERA+ with Marcum at 132 leading the way.
Huh. The #4 guy has the best ERA and highest strikeout total, while the #5 guy has the most wins. Accardo leads in saves at 4 and in losses at 3.
Happy for the win, but scratching my head. Was there some explanation for this during the game? I'd love to hear it.
Overbay's career OBP is .364. Hitting in front of Stewart and Scutaro has helped inflate his current numbers. I'd be surprised to see him walk a lot in the #2 slot, especially since he's not getting much extra base hits.
I don't mind him there, but that's because it spreads the left bats.
Now, if Gibbons can keep doing stuff like that I'll start regaining respect for his judgment as that is a move that should be done but isn't and can give the Jays an advantage over guys using closers for 3 run leads in the 9th only.
Flex,
I think that Gibbons was going to use Ryan for a two inning save. At least, that's what Fletcher and Campbell were suggesting. After throwing only 9 pitches in the 8th, I wouldn't have had a problem seeing him come out for the 9th. However, the Jays then scored two runs and took a three run lead, and it was at that point that Ryan headed off the bench, likely to get his work in on the side. My guess is that if the game was still 3-2 going into the 9th, Ryan would have come back out. That's how Fletcher saw it too.
Speaking of Fletcher, is he ever a nice reprieve from Rance Mullinicks, who in my opinion might be worse than Carter.
I'm skeptical that the 8th, 9th, and 1st hitters were seen as more dangerous than the heart of the order. More likely, Gibbons panicked and decided to use Ryan for a 2 inning save. I would have no problem with that if Ryan was back at 100%.
Good thing tomorrow is a day off. Gibbons will probably ride Rolen until something gives.
Writing Rogers might make more sense, since it would likely be more concerned about losing viewers. Autotrader is probably happy that its ads are getting noticed, even a negative light (any publicity being good publicity).
Having Fletcher around is like watching the game with a good buddy who knows a lot about baseball, breaks down the game and makes you laugh. Rance... well, I never liked him as a player (when I started watching in about 1987) and I find his analysis very old school; his tone also leaves a lot to be desired.
I remember a point last year when Campbell was talking about a speed dating promotion the Jays were running, Campbell was being a bit jokey about it and the camera shot of Rance made him look like he wished the ground would swallow him up.
Honestly, Rance is easily the smartest one out of the bunch and by far my favorite. He has a lot of great insight into the game and pitch selection in particular. He makes a couple head scratchers on occasion like "clogging the bases", but overall does a superb job.
I'm almost certain that, as had been mentioned, Gibbons went to Ryan to get the two lefties with Tony Pena Jr. in between, up by a run. He did, the Jays scored, and Gibbons wisely decided not to use Ryan again with less leverage. While the merits of using Ryan for two innings can be debated, he used his closer and arguably best reliever in a high leverage situation as opposed to waiting for the ninth, and it paid off. I don't see where the grousing comes from.
If anything, the Jays have been overly cautious about injuries, giving people plenty of days off and not taxing BJ unduly - he hadn't pitched in several days. The starters are not going too deep into games other that Doc either.
I come to Batter's Box and am enlightened.
I'd still give it a month. Rolen is still banged up. Career numbers aren't so important because both players have had up and down years and it's to soon to tell what kind of year they're having.
I don't quite get this logic. How do you give it a month to figure out today's lineup. Im of the opinion the lineup should be adjusted ever so often according to how hitters are hitting at any given time in a season. I thought today's lineup was well thought out, as two good hitters who have been slumping were dropped down a little(Hill and Wells). I dont think Gibbons needs to be married to any set lineup and should be adjusting it when the need arises.
According to Gibbons, the new lineup changes will persist. Gibbons is going to use Eckstein as the #2 hitter from now on. I don't agree with that decision and am baffled by their obsession with Eckstein.
Anyway, my guess is the lineup will be similar to tonight's going forward:
Rios
Eckstein
Rolen
Stairs
Wells
Overbay
Hill
Lind
Zaun
I don't like Eckstein hitting second, but at least the left-handed hitters would be more evenly spread through the lineup.
http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080427.wblair28/GSStory/GlobeSportsBaseball/home
Seeing the line-up trotted out today was very much a surprise and refreshing. I mean come on, Wells vs Righties finally dropped in the line-up card will you get a tad hopeful. But now that Eckstein is only being dropped from 1 to 2 and Overbay (whose only use to this point being his high walk accumulated OBP) is still left lower in the order, rather than at the 2 hole (or 1 hole for that matter), leave me still at indifference to giving a frig about what comes next. What's the difference John? if Eckstein goes from 1 to 2 in the line-up? Without getting into line-up composition wars vs. studies findings... **** it! Whatever John, your job not mine.
Some bad news: Carlson got the save last night because Downs was unavailable with, "tenderness in his shoulder". It's not known if it's serious or not, but "tenderness in his shoulder" in Blue Jays' speak could mean anything.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/baseball
In other Jays' news (sort of), David Bush has been sent to AAA. Was I ever wrong on the Overbay trade. I thought it was terrible deal at the time because Bush had a great WHIP and had showed signs that he could be a very good #4 starter, Jackson was a big 1st round lefty, and Gross was full of potential as well. That trade has turned out alright afterall, assuming Overbay finds his lost power stroke, and I'm sure he will.