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The Jays picked up a couple players off of waivers from the Reds according to a press release on TSN. In a related move the Jays outright DeJong, Gronkiewicz, and Vermiliyea to Syracuse.

Thanks to Brian W for the heads up.



Gosling (minors) has been a starter in AAA for several years now with a few stints in the bullpen of the Diamondbacks and Reds. The lefty's numbers seem to have improved over recently, although he had a high walk rate and unusually high hit rate with the Reds this season.

Lopez (minors) is a middle infielder who has spent a majority of the time at shortstop. He hasn't had a lot of success at the plate, but did have a hot streak at AAA Louisville hitting .339/.396/.427 this season.  In his 2007 Prospect Book John Sickels wrote that most people viewed him as a future utility infielder with his range being his best asset.

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cascando - Saturday, October 27 2007 @ 11:42 AM EDT (#175567) #
I'd love to see Gronk get a chance to catch on somewhere else.  He deserves it.
ayjackson - Saturday, October 27 2007 @ 12:44 PM EDT (#175568) #
This means that they've all cleared waivers, or is that clearance pending?
Pistol - Saturday, October 27 2007 @ 01:30 PM EDT (#175570) #
I believe so, or at least that's what Rotoworld's blurb indicates.
jgadfly - Saturday, October 27 2007 @ 01:34 PM EDT (#175571) #

An article on Gronkiewicz discussing his role in the Olympic qualifications at USA baseball site... http://mlb.mlb.com/usa_baseball/article.jsp?story=gronkiewicz_102507

China fan - Saturday, October 27 2007 @ 03:29 PM EDT (#175572) #
    Rotoworld, as always, is taking the most negative interpretation of these pickups.    They neglected to mention that Lopez is only 23 and already has three Triple-A seasons under his belt.  (Granted, he only played half a season at Triple A when he was 21, but the point is that he impressed enough people to reach Triple A at a remarkably young age.)   His numbers last year were pretty good.   Now, of course he might be another Santos -- rushed too far too fast -- but let's at least give him a chance and see what he can do.  Certainly the Jays system needs more SS prospects and there's a chance, at his young age, that he could keep improving.
Manhattan Mike - Monday, October 29 2007 @ 09:21 AM EDT (#175586) #

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10292007/sports/yankees/option_offense.htm

Christmas has come early for J.P. The 2008 season, already the make-or-break year for J.P. has just become the Yankees version of a rebuilding season. If the Jays ever have a shot at the post-season, next year is it.

ANationalAcrobat - Monday, October 29 2007 @ 10:48 AM EDT (#175588) #
I don't know about that, Manhattan Mike. The Yankees have a lot of money coming off the books, and if they spend/trade creatively and effectively, they can rebuild more quickly than anyone else in baseball. It's way too early to write them off. I expect they will have an off-season similar to the one the Red Sox had in 06/07, where they signed Dice-K, JD Drew, and Lugo to big contracts. I will be very interested to see what Brian Cashman can do.

I perceive the Red Sox and Yankees as equal threats at the moment.
John Northey - Monday, October 29 2007 @ 11:01 AM EDT (#175589) #
This should be an interesting winter. The Yankees will need to either sign new or resign a closer, third baseman, and a catcher who are all HOF level players (the catcher could be viewed as 'just' an all-star) who have been performing at HOF levels recently. Plus Andy Pettite who is 'just' an all-star level pitcher.

That is an ugly shopping list to have to replace. Imagine the Jays losing, or at risk of losing to free agency, Halladay, Glaus, Ryan (a healthy version), and Zaun - only Halladay is at the level of the guys the Yanks could be losing. Plus it is supposed to be a weak free agent year with few teams looking to dump salary.

If the Yankee system doesn't have guys ready to step in (ala Joba) or cannot sign the guys they could lose it could be an ugly 2008 in NY. Come 2009 things could get better depending who is out there then but in '08 it will be hard to restock quick.

To give an idea on what is out there...
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2000/04/2007-free-agents.html

Third Base...
Tony Batista WAS
Aaron Boone FLA
Russell Branyan STL
Jeff Cirillo ARZ
Pedro Feliz SF
Corey Koskie * MIL
Mike Lamb HOU
Mike Lowell BOS - Yanks will try here probably
Greg Norton * TB
Abraham O. Nunez PHI
Alex Rodriguez NYY

Catcher...
Sandy Alomar Jr. NYM
Brad Ausmus HOU
Paul Bako BAL
Rod Barajas * PHI
Michael Barrett SD
Gary Bennett * STL
Raul Casanova TB
Alberto Castillo BAL
Ramon Castro NYM
Mike DiFelice NYM
Sal Fasano TOR
Wiki Gonzalez WAS
Jason Kendall CHC
Jason LaRue KC
Mike Lieberthal * LAD
Paul Lo Duca NYM
Damian Miller MIL
Doug Mirabelli BOS
Chad Moeller LAD
Jose Molina NYY
Josh Paul TB
Mike Piazza OAK
Jorge Posada * NYY
Kelly Stinnett STL
Yorvit Torrealba COL
Javier Valentin * CIN

Not too many who catch my eye. * indicates an option for 08 exists (player and/or team).
John Northey - Monday, October 29 2007 @ 11:09 AM EDT (#175590) #
Of note for minor league free agents... I noticed on Cot's site that JR House was released by Baltimore. He looked good as a backup last winter but Baltimore left him in AAA mainly (298/365/463) with just 19 games in the majors (211/268/500).

This is a guy who, in the minors, has hit quite well - 311/373/499 but hasn't done much in 57 AB's in the majors in 4 stints - 175/217/386. He played a bit at third and first as well as catching for Baltimore and has a game at 2B in the minors to go with 5 in the outfield (lifetime). He could be a super-sub who can hit if his defense is at all decent. Hopefully the Jays look seriously at him this winter.
CSHunt68 - Monday, October 29 2007 @ 11:15 AM EDT (#175592) #

In 2003, with A-Rod and his 22 million dollar salary, the Rangers were 71-91, scoring 826 runs. In 2004, without A-Rod, the Rangers were 89-73, scoring 860 runs. They also ditched Juan Gonzalez and Raffy Palmeiro after that '03 season, too. Of course, it didn't hurt that their pitching and defence shaved 175 (!) runs allowed between seasons.

In 2000, with A-Rod and a very reasonable 4.3 million dollar salary, the Mariners were 91-71, scoring 907 runs. In 2001, without A-Rod, the Mariners were 116-46, scoring 927 runs. Again, the team shaved a monstrous number off its runs allowed - 153, this time.

In both cases, teams drastically improved after ditching the brat that is A-Rod, including offensively.

Does ditching the jerk mean a team is going to improve? No, not necessarily. You've got to replace a single big (huge) hole in your lineup. Does ditching the jerk mean a team is going into rebuilding mode? No, not necessarily. In fact, evidence speaks to the contrary. ;)

Manhattan Mike - Monday, October 29 2007 @ 12:37 PM EDT (#175594) #
Yankees hired Girardi, according to ESPN. If what happened to Florida's rotation this past season after the young pitchers pitched excellently in 2006 is any indication, the hiring of Girardi could be a net positive for the Jays. While I don't wish anyone to have any injuries, Hughes/Kennedy/Chamberlain being overused early in their careers and suffering over the long haul because of it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for a Jays fan.
John Northey - Monday, October 29 2007 @ 01:02 PM EDT (#175595) #
While both teams improved after losing A-Rod the question becomes why did they improve?

Seattle: 20 more runs scored
2000: 269/361/442 with A-Rod
2001: 288/360/445 without
What did it?
2B McLemore to Boone - 76 OPS+ to 153 - plus 77
SS A-Rod to Guillen - 162 OPS+ to 87 - minus 75

Hmm. Looks like the magic bullet (Ichiro also joined in '01 but his OPS+ was almost identical to the guy he replaced 126 each for him and '00 Jay Buhner). A major career year from Bret Boone. Given Boone only cost $3,250,000 you can't really say A-Rod would've prevented them from signing him. The pitching went from a 101 ERA+ to 118 which also explans a lot. Back to 104 the next season which also explains a lot - namely without A-Rod they got a career year from Boone plus a few in the pitching staff, neither of which held up beyond that season. Also note that Seattle made the playoffs once pre-ARod (his age 19 season), twice with A-Rod, once post-ARod and that is it.

What about Texas?
They made the playoffs 3 of the 5 years pre-A-Rod but the year just before A-Rod they were 4th with 71 wins as the old team was running out of gas. They scored 52 more runs (makes sense) and allowed 6 fewer with A-Rod in his first season but gained just 2 wins.
The next season they cut runs allowed by 86 but lost 47 on offense largely due to an ineffective OF/DH (all sub 100 OPS+ outside of Catalanotto at 109).
In '03 the offense got worse despite the corner outfield/DH recovering thanks to losing I-Rod (new guy hit 61 OPS+) and CF having a 30 OPS+ (yes, thirty) as the main guy with a 64 OPS+ backup and a 32 OPS+ for the #3 guy (and you though our SS hole was ugly).
In '04 (post A-Rod) 34 more runs scored. Why? A mix of luck (96 vs 97 OPS+) and Teixeira jumping by 30 OPS+, and CF going from hopeless to 81 OPS+ & 103 (Gary Matthews).

Did A-Rod leaving allow Seattle to get Bret Boone? Doubt it. Did A-Rod force Texas to play a CF combo that hit worse than a John McDonald/Sal Fasano combo would? I really doubt that.

The Yankees have been in the playoffs every year A-Rod was there. He didn't hurt their budget (especially with Texas paying a big part of it) thus didn't stop them from signing whoever they wished. He has been healthy and hit between 131 and 177 for OPS+, all-star every year with MVP votes every year. Losing him will not help the Yankees sign a Bret Boone, nor will it free up cash to sign more pitching.

FYI: the Yankees last season had one position below 100 for OPS+ - CF with Cabrera at 89. Damon was at 97 but was mixed around thus isn't listed as a regular at any one position. The main backup at third had an 80 OPS+ and a 765 lifetime minor league OPS.

My perfect situation is A-Rod coming here and relearning SS with McDonald for late innings and whenever Glaus is hurt. Otherwise I hope A-Rod goes to the NL while the Yankees sign Lowell to a stupid big/long contract - hurting the Sox immediately while hurting themselves later.
CSHunt68 - Monday, October 29 2007 @ 01:21 PM EDT (#175597) #
Just don't expect the Yankees to go into rebuild mode with the departure of A-Rod. History would counsel them to go for it. ;) 'Nuff said.
R Billie - Monday, October 29 2007 @ 01:33 PM EDT (#175598) #

Does ditching the jerk mean a team is going to improve? No, not necessarily. You've got to replace a single big (huge) hole in your lineup. Does ditching the jerk mean a team is going into rebuilding mode? No, not necessarily. In fact, evidence speaks to the contrary. ;)

There might be something to it or it might just be that those teams happened upon able bodied replacements at just the right time as well as making some important defensive changes.

In 2001, the Mariners added two big bats in Ichiro Suzuki and a much more unlikely source in Brett Boone.  A-Rod put up a 162 ops+ in 2000, Boone put up a 153 in 2001.  Boone was picked up practically for free and Suzuki as a somewhat pricey free agent.  They also replaced Jay Buhner in right field with the speed and arm of Suzuki which made a huge difference.  Meanwhile, the team also had a guy named Carlos Guillen to plug in at shortstop who wasn't yet a good hitter but was competent.  And perhaps the evidence suggests that the new middle infield of Guillen and Boone was better than A-Rod/McLemore/etc from the prior year.

For Texas, they had Teixeira come into his own and Blalock continue to produce.  Their outfield was in tatters in 2003 except for Juan Gonzalez who couldn't be considered much of a defensive player at that point in his career.  They found an outfield which wasn't star studded but significant improvement with Nix get most of the time in CF, Delucci in left, Mench in right.  They also had guys like Eric Young and Gary Matthews who put in solid seasons as part timers.  As a whole it was a big step up.  And they got Soriano back for A-Rod who isn't anywhere near as great offensively but who was still a lot better than the average 2B of the day. 

Ryan Drese and Kenny Rogers pitched full time the whole year and were winning pitchers.  Cordero took over closer from the inconsistent Urbina and the rest of the Rangers' pen really fell into line that year, much like the Jays' pen did this year.

So yes, while A-Rod left those teams it wasn't in a vacuum and the GMs made some very solid moves to counteract the effect, especially in Seattle bringing in two All-Star level players with only money.  And as we know now, the Rangers haven't won more than 80 games since that 89 win third place finish.  Seattle stayed at the 93 win mark the next two seasons but didn't make the playoffs and then fell right off the shelf the next three years (coinciding with Gillick leaving town).

Meanwhile, the team A-Rod went to has won 3 divisions and a wild card despite his presence.  If the Yankees go out and get Mike Lowell, it would certainly cushion the blow of losing A-Rod.  If they get Lowell and find a productive first baseman through free agency or trade, that could easily counteract losing A-Rod.

CSHunt68 - Monday, October 29 2007 @ 01:54 PM EDT (#175599) #

The point is that "losing" A-Rod does NOT imply a rebuilding phase. For ANYONE. Teams may get lucky with replacements, or spend a ton of cash elsewhere, or there may be something to A-Rod's effect on the rest of the team.

To assume that "this is the year" to get the Yankees is premature, at the very least.

Ryan Day - Monday, October 29 2007 @ 02:13 PM EDT (#175600) #

I love Boras' quote explaining that A-Rod opted out because he didn't know if Rivera, Posada, and Pettite would be back:

"Alex's decision was one based on not knowing what his closer, his catcher and one of his statured pitchers was going to do," Boras said. "He really didn't want to make any decisions until he knew what they were doing."

(emphasis mine, because I think it's funny)

G Baier - Monday, October 29 2007 @ 03:28 PM EDT (#175601) #
A window into Boras' mind is provided by a recent New Yorker profile. He really does see it as his personal job to destabilize the decision making power of the commissioner and owners.


ds - Monday, October 29 2007 @ 03:56 PM EDT (#175602) #

Why doesn't someone offer A-rod a one or two year contract?  Boras has always shown that he will get his clients to follow the money and free agency at any opportunity.  Any team that has a short window of opportunity for winning could offer him a 1 or 2 year deal for slightly more than the large offers that will undoubtedly come, and add a few large incentive bonuses to make it more enticing. 

Maldoff - Monday, October 29 2007 @ 04:43 PM EDT (#175603) #

Pedro Lopez = Rey Olmedo.

In other news, the Tigers have dealt 2 prospects to the Braves for SS Edgar Renteria

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3085675

Dez - Monday, October 29 2007 @ 06:04 PM EDT (#175607) #
Wait, don't the Tigers have Carlos Guillen at SS? Where is he going to play?
Chuck - Monday, October 29 2007 @ 06:10 PM EDT (#175608) #
Guillen to 1B. It's been in the works for a while.
scottt - Monday, October 29 2007 @ 07:36 PM EDT (#175613) #
Yeah. Sean Casey doesn't provide enough power. He'll probably be a defensive back up somewhere in 2008.
Chuck - Monday, October 29 2007 @ 08:00 PM EDT (#175619) #
He'll probably be a defensive back up somewhere in 2008.

Well, if he weren't a crummy defensive first baseman that might be true.
ANationalAcrobat - Monday, October 29 2007 @ 11:09 PM EDT (#175626) #
Thanks for the Boras link, G Baier. That's a very interesting article.
Lefty - Tuesday, October 30 2007 @ 12:16 AM EDT (#175628) #
Thanks for linking that New Yorker, Boras piece.

Excellent reading.

CaramonLS - Tuesday, October 30 2007 @ 10:50 AM EDT (#175632) #

I think the Yankees will likely stick Betemit over at 3B for next season and see what happens. 

Worst case scenario?  They are the front runners for the guy who is going to get the 3rd biggest (just smaller than both Arod deals) contract in MLB history, Miguel Cabrera.  Betemit is a better option than just about anyone on that list, save Lowell and A-rod.

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