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No one ever talks about the Sixth Man.


Well, they don't. In the springtime, no one ever worries about a team's sixth starting pitcher. Never mind the seventh.

Maybe we should. Because your five starters are not going to start 162 games. It happens every few years, to one team, but that's about it.

You are going to need more than five starters to get through the season. Get used to it.

By some strange coincidence, the two teams that sent their Top 5 starters to the hill the most often this past season both played in Chicago. The White Sox got 150 starts out of their top five guys - the Cubs got 152. The Cubs needed the sixth man just 10 times in 2007.

Ten starts - that's still having someone else in the rotation for about two months of the season. And these were the teams at the far end of the discussion. Most teams end up sending their sixth (and seventh, and eighth) man to the hill as often as they send their best guy. Some teams much, much more often.

A word on method. I am defining the Sixth Man by how it all shook out in the end, not by what the team's plans may have been as the calendar turned from March to April. The Top 5 starters, for every team, are the five men who started the most games. In the case of the Blue Jays, that includes Shaun Marcum, who began the season in the bullpen. And it includes Dustin McGowan and Jesse Litsch, who began the season in the minors. Gustavo Chacin, who was injured, Tomo Ohka, who was released, and Josh Towers, who was sent to a corner, were all part of the rotation when the year began. They became Sixth Men. They evolved. Or de-evolved, as the case may be.

So how often did each team need to go beyond the five men who started the most games, and who got the call?

Washington 59 - Simontacchi 13, Hanrahan 11, Bowie 8, Patterson 7, Williams 6, Lannan 6, Speigner 6, Traber 2
Texas 44 - Wright 9, Gabbard 8, Rheinecker 7, Volquez 6, Wood 4, Mendoza 3, Murray 2, Koronka 2, Eyre 2, Galarraga 1
LA Dodgers 44 - Hendrickson 15, Wells 7, Kuo 6, Schmidt 6, Stultz 5, Loaiza 5
Colorado 41 - Lopez 14, Morales 8, Buchholz 8, Dessens 5, Redman 3, Kim 1, Bautista 1, Harikkala 1
NY Yankees 41 - Igawa 12, Rasner 6, Clippard 6, DeSalvo 6, Kennedy 3, Karstens 3, Pavano 2, Wright 2, Henn 1
Detroit 40 - Miller 13, Rogers 11, Jurrjens 7, Tata 3, Vasquez 3, Bazardo 2, Miner 1
Philadelphia 39 - Garcia 11, Lohse 11, Durbin 10, Myers 3, Ennis 1, Castro 1, Segovia 1, Happ 1
Kansas City 38 - Davies 11, Elarton 9, Nunez 6, Buckner 5, Duckworth 3, Thomson 2, Hochevar 1, Hudson 1
St. Louis 37 - Pineiro 11, Wellemeyer 11, Maroth 7, Mulder 3, Keisler 3, Carpenter 1, Percival 1
Pittsburgh 35 - Morris 11, Van Benschoten 9, Youman 8, Chacon 4, Bullington 3
Toronto 34 - Towers 15, Ohka 10, Chacin 5, Zambrano 2, Taubenheim 1, Banks 1
Cincinnati 33 - Bailey 9, Milton 6, Dumatrait 6, Shearn 6, Ramirez 3, Saarloos 3
Baltimore 32 - Olson 7, Loewen 6, Leicester 5, Liz 4, Wright 3, Santos 3, Birkins 2, Zambrano 2
Houston 31 - Albers 18, Backe 5, Paulino 3, Gutierrez 3, Patton 2
Florida 31 - Obermuller 7, Sanchez 6, Barone 6, Seddon 4, Johnson 4, Nolasco 4
Tampa Bay 30 - Fossum 10, Howell 10, Seo 10
NY Mets 29 - Pelfrey 13, Lawrence 6, Martinez 5, Vargas 2, Park 1, Williams 1, Humber 1
Atlanta 29 - Reyes 10, Cormier 9, Redman 5, Lerew 3, Bennett 2
Minnesota 28 - Slowey 11, Ortiz 10, Ponson 7
LA Angels 27 - Colon 18, Moseley 8, Carrasco 1
San Francisco 26 - Correia 8, Ortiz 8, Mirsch 4, Sanchez 4, Blackley 2
Milwaukee 25 - Gallardo 17, Villanueva 6, Parra 2
Cleveland 24 - Sowers 13, Laffey 9, Stanford 2
Oakland 24 - Braden 14, Harden 4, Meyer 3, Loaiza 2, Lewis 1
Arizona 23 - Johnson 10, Petit 10, Kim 2, Eveland 1
Boston 22 - Lester 11, Gabbard 7, Buchholz 3, Hansack 1
Seattle 21 - Baek 12, Feirabend 9
San Diego 20 - Hensley 9, Tomko 4, Cassel 4, Stauffer 2, Ledezma 1
Chicago White Sox 12 - Floyd 10, Broadway 1, Masset 1
Chicago Cubs 10 - Trachsel 4, Guzman 3, Miller 3

The tie-breaker used, when deciding who was the fifth man and who was the sixth, was innings pitched. Hence Maroth over Miller (Detroit), Tomko over Hendrickson (Dodgers), Saunders over Colon (Angels), and Jennings over Albers (Houston).

Some familiar names in there, generally pitchers who would have been counted on to be part of the Top 5 but missed large parts of the season because of injury (Randy Johnson, Kenny Rogers, Jason Schmidt, Bartolo Colon).


In view of how much work these guys do, it matters how well they do it. And so - a Data Table!

	GS   W   L    IP      H	   ER   R    HR   BB   SO   K/9	WHIP	ERA

MIL 25 11 6 145 134 54 58 12 57 124 7.70 1.32 3.35
BOS 22 10 2 125.2 108 56 60 15 58 98 7.02 1.32 4.01
CWS 12 3 5 69 77 34 37 12 20 55 7.17 1.41 4.43
COL 41 11 11 204 226 113 121 25 61 125 5.51 1.41 4.99
ARI 23 6 8 113 120 64 69 20 35 112 8.92 1.37 5.10
DET 40 13 13 200.1 213 114 123 27 93 129 5.80 1.53 5.12
SFG 26 5 9 134 156 77 79 16 47 98 6.58 1.51 5.17
HOU 31 8 16 164.1 180 99 106 27 60 96 5.26 1.46 5.42
TEX 44 10 11 222.1 247 135 145 35 119 133 5.38 1.65 5.46
STL 37 9 13 176.1 212 109 124 33 61 105 5.36 1.55 5.56
CLE 24 6 9 129.1 150 80 82 13 34 59 4.11 1.42 5.57
MIN 28 9 10 154.2 195 96 103 30 37 88 5.12 1.50 5.59
LAA 27 7 10 142.1 182 90 96 16 45 103 6.51 1.59 5.69
NYY 41 9 12 189.1 215 123 131 37 98 115 5.47 1.65 5.85
PHA 39 9 13 197.1 232 129 135 34 84 154 7.02 1.60 5.88
TOR 34 8 16 184.1 225 123 133 37 57 96 4.69 1.53 6.01
LAD 44 11 23 216.2 264 150 159 32 81 157 6.52 1.59 6.23
FLA 31 5 14 143 203 102 118 22 75 80 5.03 1.94 6.42
WAS 59 18 28 285.2 349 206 214 46 149 165 5.20 1.74 6.49
NYM 29 7 14 148 195 107 112 18 66 103 6.26 1.76 6.51
KCR 38 9 20 174 217 129 139 34 83 100 5.17 1.72 6.67
OAK 24 3 13 115 141 86 94 14 45 81 6.34 1.62 6.73
PGH 35 6 20 171 214 132 137 15 84 92 4.84 1.74 6.95
ATL 29 5 15 135.2 165 106 113 35 65 86 5.71 1.70 7.03
CIN 33 7 14 149 185 117 123 27 73 82 4.95 1.73 7.07
SEA 21 5 9 108 146 85 88 15 32 67 5.58 1.65 7.08
SDP 20 5 6 93.2 125 75 78 14 45 63 6.05 1.81 7.21
CHI 10 1 4 46.1 66 38 38 9 18 30 5.83 1.81 7.38
BAL 32 5 14 135 171 116 121 17 98 95 6.33 1.99 7.73
TAM 30 7 15 152.1 221 133 146 29 53 105 6.20 1.80 7.86
Another thing we could examine is the drop-off between a team's Top 5 starters and the guys filling in. So let's make a more extensive Data Table, and this time we'll rank them by the size of the drop off. There ought to be a drop, after all - the Top 5 starters are supposed to be better than the other guys, right? That's why they're starting more games.

                 GS    W    L    IP       H    ER    R    HR    BB    SO   K/9    IP/GS  WHIP   ERA   Drop-off

Top 5 MIL 137 49 41 788 886 418 442 99 250 573 6.54 5.75 1.44 4.77
Sixth Men MIL 25 11 6 145 134 54 58 12 57 124 7.70 5.80 1.32 3.35 -1.42
Brewers MIL 162 60 47 933 1020 472 500 111 307 697 6.72 5.76 1.42 4.55

Top 5 BOS 140 67 50 866 871 408 425 97 252 674 7.00 6.19 1.30 4.24
Sixth Men BOS 22 10 2 125.2 108 56 60 15 58 98 7.02 5.71 1.32 4.01 -0.23
Red Sox BOS 162 77 52 991.2 979 464 485 112 310 772 7.01 6.12 1.30 4.21

Top 5 TEX 118 32 54 615.2 729 377 428 73 279 394 5.76 5.22 1.64 5.51
Sixth Men TEX 44 10 11 222.1 247 135 145 35 119 133 5.38 5.05 1.65 5.46 -0.05
Rangers TEX 162 42 65 838 976 512 573 108 398 527 5.66 5.17 1.64 5.50

Top 5 CWS 150 50 60 947 1009 471 520 119 267 642 6.10 6.31 1.35 4.48
Sixth Men CWS 12 3 5 69 77 34 37 12 20 55 7.17 5.75 1.41 4.43 -0.04
White Sox CWS 162 53 65 1016 1086 505 557 131 287 697 6.17 6.27 1.35 4.47

Top 5 COL 122 44 36 739.1 777 367 398 91 251 462 5.62 6.06 1.39 4.47
Sixth Men COL 41 11 11 204 226 113 121 25 61 125 5.51 4.98 1.41 4.99 0.52
Rockies COL 163 55 47 943.1 1003 480 519 116 312 587 5.60 5.79 1.39 4.58

Top 5 DET 122 49 37 731.2 778 371 396 97 249 524 6.45 6.00 1.40 4.56
Sixth Men DET 40 13 13 200.1 213 114 123 27 93 129 5.80 5.01 1.53 5.12 0.56
Tigers DET 162 62 50 932 991 485 519 124 342 653 6.31 5.75 1.43 4.68

Top 5 STL 125 39 59 712.2 775 389 426 82 260 427 5.39 5.70 1.45 4.91
Sixth Men STL 37 9 13 176.1 212 109 124 33 61 105 5.36 4.77 1.55 5.56 0.65
Cardinals STL 162 48 72 889 987 498 550 115 321 532 5.39 5.49 1.47 5.04

Top 5 HOU 131 40 52 793.1 856 402 424 108 234 528 5.99 6.06 1.37 4.56
Sixth Men HOU 31 8 16 164.1 180 99 106 27 60 96 5.26 5.30 1.46 5.42 0.86
Astros HOU 162 48 68 957.2 1036 501 530 135 294 624 5.86 5.91 1.39 4.71

Top 5 ARI 139 54 45 845 877 386 420 98 314 571 6.08 6.08 1.41 4.11
Sixth Men ARI 23 6 8 113 120 64 69 20 35 112 8.92 4.91 1.37 5.10 0.99
D'backs ARI 162 60 53 958 997 450 489 118 349 683 6.42 5.91 1.41 4.23

Top 5 FLA 131 37 49 714 843 429 482 97 320 536 6.76 5.45 1.63 5.41
Sixth Men FLA 31 5 14 143 203 102 118 22 75 80 5.03 4.61 1.94 6.42 1.01
Marlins FLA 162 42 63 857 1046 531 600 119 395 616 6.47 5.29 1.68 5.58

Top 5 SFG 136 46 49 834.2 794 379 414 74 353 604 6.51 6.14 1.37 4.09
Sixth Men SFG 26 5 9 134 156 77 79 16 47 98 6.58 5.15 1.51 5.17 1.08
Giants SFG 162 51 58 968.2 950 456 493 90 400 702 6.52 5.98 1.39 4.24

Top 5 PHA 123 52 37 741 793 383 401 107 225 510 6.19 6.02 1.37 4.65
Sixth Men PHA 39 9 13 197.1 232 129 135 34 84 154 7.02 5.06 1.60 5.88 1.23
Phillies PHA 162 61 50 938.1 1025 512 536 141 309 664 6.37 5.79 1.42 4.91

Top 5 MIN 134 50 55 812.2 856 369 403 100 212 622 6.89 6.06 1.31 4.09
Sixth Men MIN 28 9 10 154.2 195 96 103 30 37 88 5.12 5.52 1.50 5.59 1.50
Twins MIN 162 59 65 967.1 1051 465 506 130 249 710 6.61 5.97 1.34 4.33

Top 5 CLE 138 64 40 892 940 395 427 92 216 587 5.92 6.46 1.30 3.99
Sixth Men CLE 24 6 9 129.1 150 80 82 13 34 59 4.11 5.39 1.42 5.57 1.58
Indians CLE 162 70 49 1021.1 1090 475 509 105 250 646 5.69 6.30 1.31 4.19

Top 5 NYY 121 56 35 731.2 780 345 368 56 220 459 5.65 6.05 1.37 4.24
Sixth Men NYY 41 9 12 189.1 215 123 131 37 98 115 5.47 4.62 1.65 5.85 1.60
Yankees NYY 162 65 47 921 995 468 499 93 318 574 5.61 5.69 1.43 4.57

Top 5 LAA 135 65 42 834 882 368 402 83 253 642 6.93 6.18 1.36 3.97
Sixth Men LAA 27 7 10 142.1 182 90 96 16 45 103 6.51 5.27 1.59 5.69 1.72
Angels LAA 162 72 52 976.1 1064 458 498 99 298 745 6.87 6.03 1.40 4.22

Top 5 WAS 103 25 34 570.1 588 280 303 88 205 333 5.25 5.54 1.39 4.42
Sixth Men WAS 59 18 28 285.2 349 206 214 46 149 165 5.20 4.84 1.74 6.49 2.07
Nationals WAS 162 43 62 856 937 486 517 134 354 498 5.24 5.28 1.51 5.11

Top 5 TOR 128 56 38 814.1 757 348 376 89 254 609 6.73 6.36 1.24 3.85
Sixth Men TOR 34 8 16 184.1 225 123 133 37 57 96 4.69 5.14 1.53 6.01 2.16
Blue Jays TOR 162 64 54 998.2 982 471 509 126 311 705 6.35 6.16 1.29 4.24

Top 5 SEA 141 54 53 820.2 947 447 482 97 282 531 5.82 5.82 1.50 4.90
Sixth Men SEA 21 5 9 108 146 85 88 15 32 67 5.58 5.14 1.65 7.08 2.18
Mariners SEA 162 59 62 928.2 1093 532 570 112 314 598 5.80 5.73 1.52 5.16

Top 5 KCR 124 40 50 713.1 786 352 378 79 227 427 5.39 5.75 1.42 4.44
Sixth Men KCR 38 9 20 174 217 129 139 34 83 100 5.17 4.58 1.72 6.67 2.23
Royals KCR 162 49 70 887.1 1003 481 517 113 310 527 5.35 5.48 1.48 4.88

Top 5 LAD 118 47 38 700.1 694 301 330 62 258 528 6.79 5.94 1.36 3.87
Sixth Men LAD 44 11 23 216.2 264 150 159 32 81 157 6.52 4.92 1.59 6.23 2.36
Dodgers LAD 162 58 61 917 958 451 489 94 339 685 6.72 5.66 1.41 4.43

Top 5 PGH 127 40 50 762 871 388 418 88 242 509 6.01 6.00 1.46 4.58
Sixth Men PGH 35 6 20 171 214 132 137 15 84 92 4.84 4.89 1.74 6.95 2.36
Pirates PGH 162 46 70 933 1085 520 555 103 326 601 5.80 5.76 1.51 5.02


Top 5 NYM 133 59 39 792.2 723 353 388 99 307 613 6.96 5.96 1.30 4.01
Sixth Men NYM 29 7 14 148 195 107 112 18 66 103 6.26 5.10 1.76 6.51 2.50
Mets NYM 162 66 53 940.2 918 460 500 117 373 716 6.85 5.81 1.37 4.40

Top 5 CIN 129 42 45 808 877 400 431 106 199 606 6.75 6.26 1.33 4.46
Sixth Men CIN 33 7 14 149 185 117 123 27 73 82 4.95 4.52 1.73 7.07 2.61
Reds CIN 162 49 59 957 1062 517 554 133 272 688 6.47 5.91 1.39 4.86

Top 5 OAK 138 49 47 838 860 368 414 81 280 560 6.01 6.07 1.36 3.95
Sixth Men OAK 24 3 13 115 141 86 94 14 45 81 6.34 4.79 1.62 6.73 2.78
Athletics OAK 162 52 60 953 1001 454 508 95 325 641 6.05 5.88 1.39 4.29

Top 5 ATL 133 53 43 781.1 788 347 370 91 234 576 6.63 5.87 1.31 4.00
Sixth Men ATL 29 5 15 135.2 165 106 113 35 65 86 5.71 4.68 1.70 7.03 3.03
Braves ATL 162 58 58 917 953 453 483 126 299 662 6.50 5.66 1.37 4.45

Top 5 TAM 132 38 47 780.1 823 406 438 93 265 694 8.00 5.91 1.39 4.68
Sixth Men TAM 30 7 15 152.1 221 133 146 29 53 105 6.20 5.08 1.80 7.86 3.18
Devil Rays TAM 162 45 62 932.2 1044 539 584 122 318 799 7.71 5.76 1.46 5.20

Top 5 CHI 152 63 46 909.1 829 407 439 113 327 705 6.98 5.98 1.27 4.03
Sixth Men CHI 10 1 4 46.1 66 38 38 9 18 30 5.83 4.63 1.81 7.38 3.35
Cubs CHI 162 64 50 955.2 895 445 477 122 345 735 6.92 5.90 1.30 4.19

Top 5 BAL 130 40 44 779 753 378 397 92 319 611 7.06 5.99 1.38 4.37
Sixth Men BAL 32 5 14 135 171 116 121 17 98 95 6.33 4.22 1.99 7.73 3.37
Orioles BAL 162 45 58 914 924 494 518 109 417 706 6.95 5.64 1.47 4.86

Top 5 SDP 143 54 43 841.1 791 352 367 68 236 647 6.92 5.88 1.22 3.77
Sixth Men SDP 20 5 6 93.2 125 75 78 14 45 63 6.05 4.68 1.81 7.21 3.44
Padres SDP 163 59 49 935 916 427 445 82 281 710 6.83 5.74 1.28 4.11
As you can quite clearly see, Milwaukee got much better work from their extra starters than they did from the top five guys. Uh, Ned Yost? What the hell? You got explaining to do, man...

Not really. Like the Blue Jays, the Brewers came up with some promising young pitchers this season - unlike the Blue Jays, however, they didn't find an urgent necessity to put them into the rotation in May. Yovani Gallardo filled in briefly for Chris Capuano in mid-season, and went into the rotation to stay whenh Ben Sheets went out in July. Gallardo pitched so well - he finished up 9-4, 3.74 - that it was Capuano who was bumped from the rotation when Sheets returned. And Carlos Villanueva was even better than Gallardo, albeit in very limited action (2-2, 2.06 in 6 starts.) Seeing as how three of the Brewers regular starters - Capuano, Dave Bush, and Claudio Vargas - all had ERAs on the wrong side of 5.00, I'd say the Cubs can consider themselves just a little lucky.

Gallardo was by far the best of the Sixth Men of 2007 - his 9 wins were three more than anyone else, he was the only to work more than 100 innings, his ERA was the best of anyone who pitched more than 50 innings. Only Bartolo Colon and Matt Albers (who were both tied for game starts with the fifth man on their own club) started more games. Galardo is a Sixth Man because he was a mid-season callup - he succeeded admirably, and will be one of the Top 5 next year.

The Red Sox did very well with their extra starters. Clay Buchholz pitching a September no-hitter got most of the attention, and they also featured the wonderful return of Jon Lester (4-0, 4.72 in 11 starts.) The good work turned in by Kason Gabbard (4-0, 3.73 in 7 starts before going to Texas in the Gagne deal) was also a factor.

The work of the sixth men may have had a decisive impact on the NL East. The Braves, as I noticed just the other day, had the best Pythagorean record in the division, despite finishing in third, five games behind the Phillies. Mike Hampton, expected to be the third starter, was unable to pitch a single inning this season, and Braves ended up in a world of hurt. The fourth and fifth starters (Carlyle and Davies) weren't very good - they went 12-15, with ERAs over 5.00. And the guys they turned to after that were a disaster: 5-15, 7.03. Schuerholz will be looking for starting pitching this winter, and he will most likely be dangling a proven, quality major league shortstop in his quest to acquire some.

Of course, the Mets had it almost as bad (7-14, 6.51), despite the fact that one of their sixth men was a fella named Pedro Martinez, who pitched rather well indeed in his five starts.

The Padres had the largest fall-off between the top starters and the ones who filled in. The Padres lost their ticket to the wild card by a single game, but they probably weren't hurt as much by their extra starters as the Braves were. The Padres extra guys managed to go 5-6 despite the unsightly 7.21 ERA - and the ERA is largely the work of one man, Tim Stauffer. He started twice, and allowed 18 runs in 7.2 IP. The Padres actually won one of those games (by an 18-11 score.)

The Padres had the largest fall-off in ERA from the top five guys to the bottom of the barrel. Several other teams actually got worse work from their fill-ins, but the drop off was nowhere near as dramatic. The Padres staff, starring Jake Peavy, Chris Young and a stellar bullpen (working in the best pitcher's park in history) had the best ERA in the majors.

There is almost no overall difference in performance by starting pitchers across the two leagues. The Top 5 starters from AL teams went 710-652 with a 4.35 ERA in 1851 starts; NL Top 5 starters went 744-706 with a 4.36 ERA in 2082 starts. The men who filled in were equally similar across the leagues. AL Sixth Men went 104-159 with a 6.00 ERA in 417 starts; NL Sixth Men went 124-214 with a 5.99 ERA in 512 starts. How close is that?

Overall, AL starters as a whole had a 4.61 ERA, NL starters had a 4.64 ERA. The slight edge to the AL comes entirely because the Top5 starters worked 82% of the games in the AL, as opposed to 80% in the NL.

But all this leads to another issue - the level of offense in the two leagues. There was a little more offense in the AL than the NL this season, but not much - AL teams averaged 4.9 runs per game, NL teams averaged 4.71. The NL ERA was 4.44, the AL ERA was 4.52. The American League has the Designated Hitter, which is a huge difference maker - but the National League now has a host of terrific hitter's parks, in Denver, Chicago, Philadelphia, Phoenix, and Cincinnati.

For some reason, I think we have assumed that the presence of the DH meant that run scoring was up by about half a run a game in the AL, and that ERA would be about 0.50 higher. That wasn't the case in 2007. Is this a new thing?

No. The difference in offense between the two leagues in the 35 years of the DH era has exceeded .5 runs per game exactly twice: in 1994 and 1996. And it's been smaller than the 0.19 runs per game in the season just concluded: as recently as 1999 and 2001, as far back as 1974 (when the NL actually outscored the AL, DH or no DH.)

So, while we're all here, let's track the difference in runs scored per game across the two leagues. We shall require one last Data Table, and possibly a pretty picture!


Year      AL      NL    DIFF
1973 4.28 4.15 0.13
1974 4.10 4.15 -0.05
1975 4.30 4.13 0.17
1976 4.01 3.98 0.03
1977 4.53 4.40 0.13
1978 4.20 3.99 0.21
1979 4.67 4.22 0.45
1980 4.51 4.03 0.48
1981 4.07 3.91 0.16
1982 4.48 4.09 0.39
1983 4.48 4.10 0.38
1984 4.42 4.06 0.36
1985 4.56 4.07 0.49
1986 4.61 4.18 0.43
1987 4.90 4.52 0.38
1988 4.36 3.88 0.48
1989 4.29 3.94 0.35
1990 4.30 4.20 0.10
1991 4.49 4.10 0.39
1992 4.32 3.88 0.44
1993 4.71 4.49 0.22
1994 5.23 4.62 0.61
1995 5.06 4.63 0.43
1996 5.39 4.68 0.71
1997 4.93 4.60 0.33
1998 5.01 4.60 0.41
1999 5.18 5.00 0.18
2000 5.30 5.00 0.30
2001 4.86 4.70 0.16
2002 4.81 4.45 0.36
2003 4.86 4.61 0.25
2004 5.01 4.64 0.37
2005 4.76 4.45 0.31
2006 4.97 4.76 0.21
2007 4.90 4.71 0.19


Let's graph this over the years!



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Mike D - Friday, October 12 2007 @ 11:36 AM EDT (#175248) #
Wait -- Troy Percival started a game this year?!?
John Northey - Friday, October 12 2007 @ 11:50 AM EDT (#175249) #
Wow, Percival did start one.  Probably a record for most games before getting a start (638 games in relief before he started on September 30th).  Just one inning pitched, 1 hit, 2 strikeouts.  I guess LaRussa asked the guys who wanted to start the last game of the season and Percival asked for it.
John Northey - Friday, October 12 2007 @ 11:58 AM EDT (#175250) #

Solid article.  Funny to see a few of the 6th men.  Wonder if Griffen will say 'sorry' about blasting the Jays for not signing Carpenter long term given he got 1 start this season and who knows for the rest of his career.  Carp just signed an extension through 2011 this past winter and now the Cards might get just 1 lousy start out of it.

As to the issue, it is vital to have solid 6th men available to win.  In '93 we had Al Leiter, Brow, and Linton start a total of 16 games, 92 had David Cone, Pat Hentgen, David Wells (tied with Stieb), and Linton start a wack of games, etc.  Notice a lot of guys who were very good either pre or post those seasons on those lists.  You need backups who can do the job.  For '08 we have (if we stick with the same big 5) Chacin, Banks, and Taubenheim who have experience and then a ton of other minor leaguers.  I strongly suspect the Jays will work on getting deeper via signing guys ala Thomson/Ohka/Zambrano again except this time leaving them in AAA to start the season.  If contention occurs be ready for a mid-season trade for another starter as someone will go down/be ineffective.

FisherCat - Friday, October 12 2007 @ 12:20 PM EDT (#175251) #
I'm of the mind that instead of looking for bottom feeders (aka Zambrano, Ohka, Thomson).  The Jays need to go outside the box this offseason and focus on a #3 starter.  Just some names I've thought about, but probably are REAL longshots are: trading for Dontrelle Willis or signing one of Andy Pettite or Tom Glavine.  If they're not going to tweak the line-up then beef-up the starting pitching.
Mylegacy - Friday, October 12 2007 @ 01:53 PM EDT (#175252) #

With a presumptive front five of Doc, AJ, McG, Marcum and Litsch that leaves the following six from which to choose the "sixth" man:  Janssen, Wolfe, Chacin, Downs, Taubenheim and Banks. In addition, one of the kids could "click" this spring and put himself in the running. I say, forget another starter unless a deal too good to believe falls our way. If League or Ryan is back(ish) we can afford to try Janssen or Wolfe as starters.

I'd leave the pitching alone and have Overbay work out at 3rd over the winter so if Glaus can't go Stairs can play first and Overbay can fill in for Glaus. My only REAL SERIOUS concern is Glaus' fragile feet.

This team is very close to being ready for prime time.

MatO - Friday, October 12 2007 @ 02:02 PM EDT (#175253) #

Overbay work out at 3rd

A left handed 3rd baseman?

 

ramone - Friday, October 12 2007 @ 02:09 PM EDT (#175254) #

On top of Glaus's fragile foot there still is the possibility of a suspension for him as well.

This article at ESPN speculates that players connected to possessing banned substances may be facing suspension.

It specifically mentions Glaus.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3059603

John Northey - Friday, October 12 2007 @ 03:13 PM EDT (#175255) #
No problem with a Glaus suspension. Just wait until he gets injured then drop any appeals at that point :)

Realistically, we need to find a solid backup who could step in should we need them for 50 games +
King Ryan - Friday, October 12 2007 @ 04:49 PM EDT (#175260) #
I don't really understand your methodology, Magpie.

If the exercise is to show which teams had the best "depth" it would make far more sense to count the man who replaced Johnson over Randy Johnson himself.  Saying that the D'Backs had good sixth starters and using Randy Johnson's stats to support that, just doesn't follow logically.  I'm not sure what the more correct way would be.   The main reason you need to have a "sixth" man in the first place is because of injuries.  Say our rotation is Doc/AJ/Mac/Marcum/Litsch, we need to have a sixth man because one of those guys is going to miss a bunch of starts.  If AJ misses half the season, and sixth man starts more than him, it doesn't make any sense to say AJ was the sixth man.  The sixth man was the guy who replaced him.  That's the entire purpose of a sixth man: To fill in for injuries.

Also, I seriously hope that nobody in the Jays is writing Jesse Litsch's name in pen for the rotation next year, but that's another topic...
China fan - Friday, October 12 2007 @ 04:56 PM EDT (#175261) #
      In response to Mylegacy:   the 6th starter will not be Taubenheim or Banks (barring some miracle at spring training, like consecutive no-hitters).  They have just not shown enough in the past couple years.  It will not be Downs, because he is clearly best-suited to a relief role -- his numbers are much better from the bullpen.  As for Chacin, his future is heavily clouded by his injury, and there's a definite risk that he might never recover.  As for Wolfe, he has only had a half-season at the major-league level.  He might be convertible to a starter, but nobody should count on it.  It seems risky and dubious at best.  That leaves Janssen, who might be a good candidate for the rotation if Ryan and League manage to recover from their 2007 injuries.  But there's certainly no guarantee that Ryan and League will return to form.  And even if they do, Ricciardi seems to like Janssen in the bullpen, where his skills might be best-suited.  Any other candidates?  We can assume that Josh Towers is gone. And nobody in the Syracuse rotation seems on the verge of promotion to the majors.  So, to summarize:  Ricciardi needs to look to acquire another starter in the off-season.   Even though pitching would seem to be a Jays strength, you really can never have enough of it, as Magpie's brilliant analysis has proven.
Chuck - Friday, October 12 2007 @ 05:12 PM EDT (#175262) #
I would expect Litsch to be the 6th man with Ricciardi's off-season shopping list including the 5th man.
trent77 - Friday, October 12 2007 @ 06:40 PM EDT (#175264) #

Questions about who the 5th starter will be are alot better than who the 3rd, 4th and 5th starters will be.  Considering that Chacin started this year as the 3rd starter and most people are writing him off as next year's 5th starter is a very good development.  This really could be an interesting off-season as I can't remember a year where the Jays had this much good, young talent in both the rotation and the bullpen. 

You can never have enough pitching, but this year's bullpen was incredible without Ryan and League.  If the two of them are back to form, Janssen and Wolfe become your 4th and 6th men with Accardo and League going 1-2 after Ryan.  Do you waste guys like Janssen and Wolfe at the back end of the bullpen on a team with a strong starting rotation?  I almost believe that the Jays have no choice but to trade one or two of League, Accardo, Wolfe, Janssen, and Frasor or convert Wolfe and/or Janssen to starters and see what you've got. 

Lefty - Friday, October 12 2007 @ 06:52 PM EDT (#175265) #
I think it was in Richard Griffin's last mail bag column he indicated the Janssen will stretch his arm out over the winter. Chacin has basically worn out his welcome with the Jays with his spring training antics.
Magpie - Friday, October 12 2007 @ 08:20 PM EDT (#175266) #
I don't really understand your methodology, Magpie.

What, you think I actually have a method?

But your basic point is very good, and it would be very interesting to do the same type of thing - but instead of designating the Top 5 as the five guys who made the first starts, instead... well, actually it's a little tricky. But probably the best way to proceed would be just to take the five guys who started the season in the rotation. (We would still have cases like Kenny Rogers, who was and was always regarded as one of Detroit's Top 5 - he just wasn't there to start the season. Never mind Carl Pavano and Chien-Ming Wang...)

The Jays, I think, would come out very, very well - after all, McGowan was the 7th starter they turned to, Marcum the 8th, and Litsch the 9th.
Mylegacy - Friday, October 12 2007 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#175267) #

MatO, I KEEP forgetting about lefties and third base - bad me.

However, SOMETHING has to be done to back up Glaus. Luna, Adams etal are NOT the answer.

Magpie, great article! I was wondering when the last time the Jays (or someone else for that matter) had three young starting pitchers as good as McG, Marcum and Litsch all blossom throughout the same season. You could throw in relievers like Accardo, Janssen and Wolfe as well. This is one very formidable pitching staff!

I'm watching Boston demolish the Indians and it got me thinking... if I'd been the Indians I'd have had my number 3 guy pitch against Beckett. I'd use my number 1 - 2 guys against Boston's rather ordinary number 2 - 3 guys. Beckett has been lights out for the last half of the season, at least. Their other starters can be beat.

Flex - Friday, October 12 2007 @ 09:22 PM EDT (#175268) #
I'd been the Indians I'd have had my number 3 guy pitch against Beckett. I'd use my number 1 - 2 guys against Boston's rather ordinary number 2 - 3 guys.

That works in theory, but in practice you're working with human beings. And I think they'd interpret it as either you don't have faith in your one and two starters, which starts a snowball of internal clubhouse angst, or you're throwing your third starter to the wolves and conceding Game 1, which makes nobody very happy.

Sometimes it works out that way in the playoffs of course, when you win one series in the max number of games with your #1 or #2 on the mound and then have to start the next series before they've had a chance to rest. But in this case I think it'd be asking for trouble.
jeff mcl - Friday, October 12 2007 @ 11:45 PM EDT (#175269) #
Assuming there are to be no major position player acquisitions because JP either has no money or seriously thinks he's already sitting on a winning ticket, the Jays will have to stretch out Janssen AND acquire some sort of FA starting pitcher.  That will be no mean feat in a thin market, but if it's Matt Clement, then it's Matt Clement; we need SOMETHING.   If JP could somehow pull off a Frank Thomas-esque coup by bringing in Schilling, even if it meant a 2-year deal, then the gods would certainly be shining down upon us. 

I would have to think that the odds of AJ Burnett missing 10 starts are somewhere in the neighbourhood of 100%, Marcum has shown some durability issues this past year that should concern us for someone who didn't join the rotation until May, something freakish always seems to happen to Doc, and Gibby is so entranced with McGowan's studliness on the mound that he'll probably ride this TJ survivor so deep into games that he ruins our next big thing.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Litsch get 30 starts next year, not by breaking the rotation out of spring training, but simply by covering for all the injuries.  The best case for bumping Janssen up to the rotation is that he clearly has his manager's confidence and is good enough that he wouldn't have to be skipped in the rotation when off days would normally allow for it.  I'd much rather start the year with a solid five that would enable me to give everyone a day's extra rest every other week than try to squeeze a few extra innings out of Doc and AJ.

I think part of the problem is that we're so entranced by the Bosox and Yankees that we're trying to play their game when the dollars we have will never let us assemble the sort of lineups they do.  We're clearly not going to outslug the best of the AL East, so our only hope is to outpitch the hell out of them... 
ANationalAcrobat - Saturday, October 13 2007 @ 12:27 AM EDT (#175271) #
This is off-topic but I'm posting it here since it seems like something you might know, Magpie. Anyone else's thoughts are evidently appreciated =)

Has any study been done to examine the effect of a stolen-base threat on the batter's performance? It's been suggested by many analysts that speedy types being on base will make a pitcher nervous and ineffective; I'm curious as to whether or not this is true. Any ideas?
christaylor - Saturday, October 13 2007 @ 12:28 PM EDT (#175274) #
I'm blanking on the name of the authors on the original study, but such a study has been done (and it has controlled for the problem that good basestealers tend to hit before the best hitters in the line up) and was mentioned in section on speed in Dayn Perry's book, "Winners". The summary is this though, there's no effect of having a basestealing threat on first on, AVG, OBP or SLG and the conventional wisdom is wrong.
Magpie - Saturday, October 13 2007 @ 06:03 PM EDT (#175279) #
Has any study been done to examine the effect of a stolen-base threat on the batter's performance?

Probably, but I can't see the point. Different pitchers have different needs, and are vulnerable in different ways. Base-stealers could always run literally at will on Nolan Ryan. The young Dwight Gooden. They couldn't hold a man on first under any circumstances, and they didn't care much, either. They did okay anyway.

But a guy like Tommy John needed to hold baserunners - a lot of his game was based on keeping the double play in order - so he worked at it, was good at it, kept it from happening.

As for the batter's performance, I remember research that indicated that stolen bases and stolen base attempts had a clearly negative impact on a batter's performance. And the reasons are fairly obvious. If a hitter takes a pitch so the baserunner can try to steal - that's not helping the hitter at all. Quite the contrary. And even if a base stealer succeeds in stealing a base, the normal result is to close up a big hole on the right side of the infield. That's not helping the hitter very much either.
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