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Some pitchers are poker players.  Their faces tell you nothing, or a message that they want you to receive.  Jimmy Key might have been a boiling cauldron of emotion on the mound, but you would never know it by looking at him.  Dave Stewart's death glare was dishonest but quite effective in producing somewhat intimidated hitters. Other pitchers show anger, frustration and other lively feelings more  readily on the mound.  Yesterday's game in Toronto featured high anxiety from Josh Towers.

Towers had pitched a brilliant game through 6 shutout innings, allowing 2 hits and 2 walks, while striking out 4.  The club led 1-0.  After inducing a routine fly from Jose Guillen, Towers struck out Adrian Beltre.  With two outs, Richie Sexson walked.  Jose Lopez came to the plate, and Troy Glaus conventionally guarded the line with the tying run on first.  Lopez fought off a couple of tough pitches and then grounded one into the hole which Glaus got a glove on, but could not handle for an infield hit.  John Gibbons came to the mound and signalled for Casey Janssen, who had been warming in the pen, to pitch to pinch-hitter Ben Broussard.  The camera panned to Josh Towers and all one could see in his face was anxiety.  The crowd gave him well-deserved recognition for his fine outing as he left the mound, but the anxious expression did not leave his face until Janssen induced Broussard to pop up.

It was an anxious moment for the team, but not exceptionally so.  For Towers personally, though, it was a moment of high anxiety.  If those runners came around to score, he would be charged with 2 earned runs and potentially get an L next to his name despite the great outing.  For a pitcher on a short leash, the simple statistical look at the game- 6.2IP, 2ER, loss vs. 6.2IP, 0ER, win matters significantly to his season and his career. It is unfortunate that the simple statistical look can be so deceptive.

On another note, home plate umpire Tim Timmons seemed to me to have a generous strike zone especially on the outside black of the plate to right-handed hitters. Both Towers and Seattle starter Jeff Weaver exploited the strike zone effectively, and the result was a pitcher's duel, similar to the one that Towers had with Paul Byrd a couple of weeks ago right before the All-Star break.  It did make me wonder whether control pitchers are better able to take advantage of a generous side-to-side strike zone and power pitchers better able to take advantage of a generous high strike zone.  If that were the case, it might be a factor in deciding whether to pull a starting pitcher in a questionable case. Research will be required to answer that question.

King Felix faces the Doctor in less than half an hour.  It should be a treat.
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Gerry - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 03:07 PM EDT (#171904) #
Felix Hernandez had a different look on his face today after the pitch to Rios was called a ball.  His bad body language could have helped the Jays confidence leading to the five runs.  I thought the pitch in question was borderline and could have been called either way.  I would have said ball but I am not unbiased.
groove - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 03:14 PM EDT (#171905) #
The defensive play by Beltre in the 8th was incredible, and should be on the highlight reel even though the umpire blew the call.  Nice to see Halladay looking pretty good out there.  But he shouldn't be trying to show up Towers like that!

Sanjay - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 03:23 PM EDT (#171906) #

Fun with Numbers:

As Pat Tabler alluded during the broadcast.  Here is the last time the Jays had back-to-back shoutouts.  Notice the pitchers and the score. 

Sat, Sep  6 box TOR  DET  W   1-0   71-70    3    13.5  2:03 R Halladay   F Rodney     
Sun, Sep 7 box TOR  DET  W   8-0   72-70    3    13.5  2:29 J Towers     C Mears      

Sat, Jul 21 TOR SEA W 1-0 J Towers J Weaver

Sun Jul 22 TOR SEA W 8-0 R Halladay F Hernandez  

 

Sanjay - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 03:24 PM EDT (#171907) #
That was back in 2003.
FanfromTheIsland - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#171908) #

The double play Hill and Clayton turned must be one of best this year.

Chuck - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 04:57 PM EDT (#171911) #

I think Mariners and I think of this impotent offense that we saw this weekend. But I may need to revise this thinking. 

They are scoring runs at a league average clip despite playing in a tremendous pitcher's park. Their team 335/412 (OBP/SLG) is almost identical to the league's 337/419. I guess having two offensive up-the-middle players (Johjima and Suzuki) can forgive a lot of ills.

I still can't see them staying in the race, not with RF/RA of 460/456. To me, this is a house of cards propped up by an over-achieving bullpen.

Mike Green - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 05:48 PM EDT (#171913) #
Maybe, Chuck.  The real weaknesses on the club have been in left-field and at first base.  Sexson is 32 and it might be that with his size, he's on an early downward slope.  The Mariners could platoon him with Broussard.  In left field, they have options as well with Adam Jones hitting so well in triple A. It is also easier to find a bat at the deadline than a middle infielder; the cost of a player like Matt Stairs is not likely to be too high.

On the other hand, Bavasi is not Dombrowski, Shapiro or Epstein...

Ron - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 06:02 PM EDT (#171914) #
Nice to see Doc bounce back with 2 straight excellent starts.

I checked out Vernon Wells contract and it's extremely ugly:

Age 32: 23 mil
Age 33: 21 mil
Age 34: 21 mil
Age 35: 21 mil

Wells also has full no trade protection and can opt out after 2011.

I questioned the extension when it was signed, and there's nothing I've seen this season that has made me change my mind. If you thought Delgado's extension was an albatross, this is much worse. I don't envy the next Jays GM that has to take on that contract, especially if ownership decides to trim payroll back to the 50-60 million level.
Mike Green - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 06:47 PM EDT (#171915) #
The contract is back-end loaded.  Wells receives $9 million in 2008, $10 million in 2009 and $21 million in 2010.  The Wells contract is going to look very good, compared with what Torii Hunter gets this off-season, but that did not necessarily make it a good idea. 

Personally, I would have preferred if Rios and Hill had been signed to long-term deals at the end of last season (I said so then), but that does not make the deal unreasonable.  You'd have to know a lot more about factors influencing salaries 5 years from now than I do.  What I do know is that historically salaries have risen consistently and substantially over a long period, which means the figures 5 years now are likely to be less in real terms.

zeppelinkm - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 06:52 PM EDT (#171916) #

What was the look on Doc's face as he pitched his way to a complete game shutout whereby he allowed more flyballs then groundballs?

I didn't get to see the game today. How did Doc look?

 

timpinder - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 07:00 PM EDT (#171917) #

I found it interesting at the time how the salaries dropped from $23 million down to $21 million the last three years after the opt out option year.  If the salaries do continue to rise over the years, which they likely will, Wells might just take the opt out option instead of a pay cut.  Perhaps that's what J.P. had in mind.  I was opposed to the signing at the time because I thought that Wells should have been traded for pitching (I didn't think Marcum, McGowan, Janssen and Litsch would all work out as they did), but I wasn't opposed to the money based on the market and I liked the structure of the contract.

Ron - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 07:12 PM EDT (#171918) #
Personally, I would have preferred if Rios and Hill had been signed to long-term deals at the end of last season (I said so then), but that does not make the deal unreasonable.  You'd have to know a lot more about factors influencing salaries 5 years from now than I do.  What I do know is that historically salaries have risen consistently and substantially over a long period, which means the figures 5 years now are likely to be less in real terms.

With inflation, it's hard to judge what the market value will be in the future (whether it be 1 year or 5 years from now), but I have a feeling we will look back at the end of his contract, and say it was a bad extension. Mike, if you had the power to rip up the contract after this season, would you do it? I'm guessing you're going to answer yes.

Giving any player that is a free agent or near free agency, a 7 year contract is extremely risky. It's even more risky when the player in question doesn't have a MVP/CY Young track record.
Frank Markotich - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 07:30 PM EDT (#171919) #

Timpinder, the trouble with trading Wells for pitching instead of signing him is that the other team would only have Wells for one more year, so you wouldn't get equal value.

 

greenfrog - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 07:59 PM EDT (#171920) #
I think it's going to take two or three more seasons before we have a clearer idea of whether the contract was worth it. Wells reminds me of Beltran (although Beltran is a more complete hitter), who had a down season after signing with the Mets, then a terrific season, and is somewhere in between this year.

It's hard to overestimate the importance of having solid players up the middle of the diamond. Even in an off-year (2007), Wells is on track for 95 runs scored, 44 doubles, 22 HR and 84 RBI. Right now he's performing well below expectations, and I think he's more of an .800-.850 OPS player (rather than the .900 OPS player of 2003 and 2006), but he's valuable even at that level of performance, given his defensive skills.
ayjackson - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 08:01 PM EDT (#171921) #

Mike, if you had the power to rip up the contract after this season, would you do it? I'm guessing you're going to answer yes.

Since he said he wouldn't have agreed to it in the first place, and Wells will have completed the cheapest year and poorest performance of the contract, of course he'd say yes - Hill and Rios still need extending, as do Janssen, Marcum and McGowan.  That doesn't change the premise of MG's post that $21m in three to five years may well be below market.

Chuck - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 08:10 PM EDT (#171922) #

In left field, they have options as well with Adam Jones hitting so well in triple A.

Given Ibanez's recent , if unlikely, late-career success, especially his 2006 season, I think he will continue to get a free pass all of this season, even as his OPS hovers around 700. And the same goes for Sexson. I'd be surprised to see either ousted, even if their numbers scream clearly that they are not performing.

Geoff - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 08:33 PM EDT (#171924) #
That was Doc's 10-inning shutout in 2003 that lasted an unbelievable 2:03. Winning hit by pinch-hitter Bobby Kielty in the bottom of the tenth.

99 pitches from your 2003 Cy Young winner was enough to paint the masterpiece.

He looked like his usual artistic self today, although a little exhausted.

And a statistic from this year caught my eye today: GDP. After the past couple years with Glaus, Hillenbrand and Overbay causing some grief among watchers over their propensity to hit into double plays, how are the Jays this year? Although limited by injury, Glaus and Overbay have only six and four, respectively. No surprise that Frank Thomas is high on the list with 10. But I must have had my head in the sand because I had no idea this team had the league leader in grounding into double plays.

So I have two questions for debate: What's up with Aaron Hill leading the league in GDP?

And is there any shame in your team having fewer than half the league average stolen bases (27 to 58 AL average)?

Lefty - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#171925) #

Ron's just shooting today's fish in a barrel.

Obviously at this very moment in time it looks like a horrendous deal. But in the contaxt of the team its also like judging Canada by looking at the temprature at Portage and Main on January 1.

If this team wins a championship during the life of this deal then its small beer.

And I haven't seen or heard any inklings that the budget is due to be $50 - $60 million any time soon. The evidence suggests the opposite. So theres no point to be made there.

Anyway, back to the premise to the thread and thats Josh Towers.

As we approach the trade deadline, I hope Ricciardi is giving full thoughtful evaluation to next years rotation. With the re-emergence of Towers I'd say he has a nice problem on his hands. Halladay, Burnett, Marcum, McGowan, Towers, Litsch and Chacin. Not to mention Casey Janssen and anyone else challenging from the farm.

Theres been a bit of media and Box chatter about trading Burnett. I don't see that happening. From the list above theres eight guys for five spots.

I'm thinking theres going to be significant interest in Josh Towers as we approach the deadline. Particularly from the National League. Towers is a free agent at the end of the season so there are no financial considerations. He is also young enough that a team dealing for him may have a view to resign if he meets performance expectations. I think he has a fair bit of value.

What do Bauxites feel? Could Towers bring back a decent middle infield propect? Should we trade him at all or look to resign him?

I remember Woody Williams going onto have a great career after a less than distinguished period of development with the Jays.

I think he will be a value starting pitcher next year. Less than $4 per. Will it be for the Jays? 

I do suspect any deadline deals made by Ricciardi will involve pitching rather than guys like Glaus, Thomas or even Burnett.

 

 

greenfrog - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 10:01 PM EDT (#171926) #
Could Towers bring back a decent middle infield propect? Should we trade him at all or look to resign him?

I don't think Towers really belongs in the rotation of a serious contender. He's had a couple of nice starts in July (against Cleveland and Seattle especially) but his track record is mixed and his stuff is borderline. However, he's nice insurance as a 6th starter if you lose someone to injury.

Most contenders, on the other hand, need a savvy veteran who can reliably string together quality starts down the stretch--in other words, someone more consistent and battle-tested than Sparrow (Joanna's nickname for JT). That said, Towers might have some appeal to an NL team looking for a cheap 5th starter for the next couple of years. It would have to be the right deal (maybe some sort of package deal involving Stairs, Downs, or some other player).


Mike Green - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 10:19 PM EDT (#171927) #
Given Ibanez's recent , if unlikely, late-career success, especially his 2006 season, I think he will continue to get a free pass all of this season, even as his OPS hovers around 700. And the same goes for Sexson. I'd be surprised to see either ousted, even if their numbers scream clearly that they are not performing

You're probably right, Chuck.  The veteran preference is deeply ingrained (cf Gillick- Upshaw/McGriff/Fielder 1987).

In answer to Lefty's question, from a developmental perspective, the best thing would be for Janssen to join the rotation fairly soon, League to move into the set-up role and for Litsch to move into middle relief.  The ideal is to have 7 prospective starters around at the start of the season, just in case injury or ineffectiveness strikes.  Halladay, Marcum, Burnett, McGowan, Janssen,  and Towers make six.  One of Gustavo Chacin and Litsch makes seven.  With the struggles of Romero and Purcey, there is no starting pitching likely to be ready in 2008, and that means that there is no real excess of pitching in the organization.
AWeb - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 10:21 PM EDT (#171928) #
What's up with Aaron Hill leading the league in GDP?

Hill is a ground-ball hitter, around 44% this year, which is slightly down from previous years, but still relatively high, and highest on the team among full-timers. Hill also hits behind, typically, Glaus and Thomas, who both draw a lot of walks to get on first base, and are both slow. Hill also isn't the fastest player out there, and hits a lot of sharp grounders, as opposed to, say, Wells, who seems to hit a lot of choppers when he hits it on the ground, which are harder to double up (plus he's faster of course)

And is there any shame in your team having fewer than half the league average stolen bases (27 to 58 AL average)?

I think the only shame is that the Jays don't really have anyone who should be stealing more, aside from possibly Rios. Wells has never been much of a threat (17 last year by far a career high), Hill and Johnson don't seem good enough to be more than "once in a while" guys. I don't want the Jays to start running just because they don't run much. Stairs, Thomas, Glaus, Overbay, Zaun, McDonald/Clayton (who rarely reach first anyway), a slightly hobbled Johnson : this is not a team able to have a running game. And the hit-and-run is limited by both the same lack of speed. While the rational part of my brain knows stealing bases is rarely worth the risk, the fan in me likes the running game anyway. The Jays don't even have a guy off the bench who's a threat to steal a base, and I domn't see anyone in the minors either.
Mike Green - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 10:24 PM EDT (#171929) #
Eric Eiland will steal bases, AWeb.  You'll see him in 2011, exactly and approximately...
Pistol - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 11:19 PM EDT (#171931) #
Could Towers bring back a decent middle infield prospect? Should we trade him at all or look to resign him?

I actually started giving this some thought this afternoon.  Reading the story there was this quote:
It was the second straight shutout for the Blue Jays. On Saturday night, Josh Towers and three relievers held the Mariners to three singles."We ran into a couple of buzzsaws," Seattle manager John McLaren said.
Josh Towers:  Buzzsaw.

Anyway, if Blair is any indication of what Ricciardi is thinking (which he generally is) it sounds like there's no chance of Towers being with the Jays next season.

If the Jays eat some or most of Towers' salary I think they could find a team to trade him to for a C+ A ball prospect.  There really doesn't sound like there's much pitching out there and what there is is probably overpriced.  If a team needs someone to fill in for an injury as a 4/5 guy I could see there being interest.

And a Towers trade would be a way to move Janssen into the rotation.
Pistol - Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 11:22 PM EDT (#171932) #
I couldn't help but notice that the Devil Rays after getting blown out two straight games are now more than a full run worse than any other team in ERA.   And they're closing in on 6.00!
AWeb - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 12:25 AM EDT (#171933) #
Not only that, but they're also the worst in fielding percentage by a decent margin too. Oh Tampa, what will happen when you finally get your act together and have a good year? It's not like Toronto and Balitmore have been holding them back all this time. So good at collecting talent, so poor at making teams. This is a team with 4 guys who have played 18 games or more in Centrefield already this year; not exactly a position most teams have depth in, you'd think a trade could be done. Do they have anyone in the minors (or majors) at SS the Jays could get for a pitcher or two ?
VBF - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 12:30 AM EDT (#171934) #
I come on here after such a tremendous Halladay win, and I get Ron complaining about Vernon's contract.

1) Ron is right because 60% of a season is a good indication of how a player will play for the remaining 6.4 years.
2) Somehow the notion that payroll will be cut to 50 million dollars has come up.

I don't follow this at all. What if Rogers makes payroll 19 million dollars a year. Damn, we better trade Rios right away! Arbitration might bring his salary past the 3 million mark!
Geoff - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 12:37 AM EDT (#171935) #
I think the only shame is that the Jays don't really have anyone who should be stealing more, aside from possibly Rios.

I wouldn't say that certain Jays should be better base stealers either, but it's more the team speed that interests me. Clearly it's a weakness, but I got to wondering today how far below the norm it is. It's been brought up numerous times this year, but just how slow is this group? Low stolen base totals doesn't tell you the whole story of how quickly players can get from station to station, nor will any statistic reliably tell you this. In my mind, I don't think the Jays lineup is half as slow as most AL teams. They lack that one true speedster that most teams employ like you see enforcers in hockey or shot blockers in basketball. And the company line has clearly been that it doesn't matter. But it does matter how quickly a player can travel from A to B. And the second half is usually when the weak-kneed players really make their mark on the outcome of a game. If the slow get slower, how much of a drain will that be on a team?

But as team weaknesses go, better it be speed than pitching. Those Rays are in sad shape for a developing franchise. Not only do they have the highest ERA, but they are also leading in errors.
BigTimeRoyalsFan - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 01:37 AM EDT (#171936) #
Towers is a free agent at the end of the season so there are no financial considerations.

Isn't he under the Jays control for another 2 years, arbitration eligible? Cot's has his service time at 3.147, which must be misleading because this is his 7th season pitching in the bigs. Was the current contract JP signed him to buying out his first 2 years of arbitration, and there's 2 more? Can anyone clarify this?
Dave Till - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 08:15 AM EDT (#171938) #
The Jays don't need to trade anybody to save money. So Wells isn't going anywhere. Nor should he: even in an off-year, he's still an outstanding fielder with doubles power. I think he's trying too hard, trying to earn his contract all at once.

I believe that the Jays' offense is worrying too much at the plate. I've noticed that, when the team finally scores runs, they all start hitting. It's like they're thinking, whew, the pressure is off: and when the pressure is off, they're hitting better.

This would be a good time to trade Josh Towers. He's not in the Jays' future plans; even if they don't move Janssen to the rotation, they have Halladay, Burnett (sometimes), McGowan, Marcum and Litsch, all of whom are either locked up long-term or have little service time. And Josh's trade value will never be higher than this; there are many teams desperate for pitchers.

I still think this team could be good, though it's too late for this year.

Pistol - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 09:01 AM EDT (#171939) #

Towers is arbitration eligible after this season.

I'd be surprised if he wasn't non-tendered. 

Ryan C - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 09:42 AM EDT (#171943) #

If you can get something of value for him, then I suppose I could stomach seeing Towers traded, but I still wouldn't like it.  I would much rather have Towers on the team than either Litsch or Chacin right now, and I'd probably start him over Janssen.  And even if you wouldn't put him in your top 5, it's not like injuries aren't a concern with the pitching this team has assembled.

Pistol - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 09:46 AM EDT (#171944) #
And the Phillies may be a team interested in Towers if the detective skills of Bob Elliot prove correct.
Mike Green - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 10:08 AM EDT (#171946) #
The interesting player for me in the Phillies system is Adrian Cardenas. He does have a history though, and is probably highly valued despite being blocked by Utley.
Mick Doherty - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 10:11 AM EDT (#171947) #

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:

"The Pirates, in preliminary talks with Toronto regarding shortstop Jack Wilson, inquired about the Blue Jays’ power-hitting third baseman, Troy Glaus, according to two sources intimately familiar with the matter.

Yes, the same Troy Glaus who is due $12.75 million next year—plus an $11.25 million player option for 2009—and has a universal no-trade clause that was included in his contract largely because of his long-standing wish to play on the West Coast.

The Pirates’ inquiry was rejected, one of those sources said. "

greenfrog - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 10:44 AM EDT (#171948) #
Wilson's career OBP is .306. His career SLG is .366. In other words, he doesn't get on base or hit with power. He's 29, so those numbers are unlikely to improve. And he pulls down a hefty salary. How can someone like that have any value for an AL team? Is there really no better option for the Jays between now and spring 2008?
Dave Till - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 12:35 PM EDT (#171952) #
The Pirates, in preliminary talks with Toronto regarding shortstop Jack Wilson, inquired about the Blue Jays’ power-hitting third baseman, Troy Glaus, according to two sources intimately familiar with the matter.

In related news: two of the Toronto Blue Jays' senior talent evaluators were admitted to hospital yesterday after suffering what appeared to be seizures. A hospital spokesperson was quoted as saying, "Apparently, the two men heard something that caused them to laugh long enough to do themselves bodily injury."

The scouts will be released from hospital shortly, and are expected to recover fully. But, as a precaution, they are to avoid anything even remotely humorous for the next six weeks. This means a steady diet of non-funny movies, such as those produced by Ingemar Bergman and Adam Sandler.
Mike Green - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 12:47 PM EDT (#171953) #
Fortunately, we have a provincial election campaign coming up, so in case the evaluators rehab takes a little longer and they run out of Dogma 95 movies, political speeches will provide a sure-fire cure.

I suppose Littlefield could call up Bavasi and see if a Felix Hernandez/Jack Wilson trade works for him. 

Chuck - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 02:00 PM EDT (#171954) #
Littlefield Donkey-Boy? Trading for Beginners?
Nick Holmes - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 03:52 PM EDT (#171956) #
"...if the detective skills of Bob Elliot prove correct."
I'm not sure I'd belive Bob Elliot if he wrote that the Dome was near the CN Tower.
Jordan - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 03:59 PM EDT (#171957) #

Interesting quotes from Gregg Zaun in today's Star:

"The problem with putting together a winning streak is we have to come to the ballpark focussed on winning," Zaun said. "You have to allow a big win the night before to infect you and carry over. Winning has to become second nature. There have to be 25 men grinding and playing hard."

The word "grind" comes up often in conversation. The 36-year-old was asked if the Jays, as constructed, could compete in '08 given a year of maturation.

"You're always looking to get better," he said. "But if we do bring one or two guys in, they've got to be character guys. We could probably use a few more grinders. Maybe there's a focus change. It's so easy to just get by. But it's going that extra mile and sacrificing personal goals for the team. It's a tough road to take."

I think someone's trying to make a point.

Mike Green - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 04:38 PM EDT (#171959) #
It's a little too much like Sparky Anderson's comment that 'Enos Cabell was a "we" ballplayer', for my liking.  The last time a "character guy" was brought in, he ended up leaving on pretty bad terms, as I recall...
Sanjay - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 05:13 PM EDT (#171961) #

It is on the main page of ESPN right now under "Rumor Central"

" Blue Jays target Wilson: The Blue Jays reportedly interested in acquiring Jack Wilson, but a trade is unlikely to happen until after the July 31 non-waiver deadline.  "

It appears Wilson became expendable after the Pirates acquired Cesar Izturis from the Cubs for cash considerations. 

I could see us giving up Clayton (to serve as a backup to Izturis) and mid-level prospect and have them pay a significant portion of Wilson's salary over the next 2 years.

Wilson's on track to get paid 5.25M in 2007, 6.5M in 2008 and 7.25M in 2009.

His 2007 OBP, SLG and AVG are all down over his 3 years averages. 

Chuck - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 05:39 PM EDT (#171962) #

I think someone's trying to make a point.

While I respect Zaun for his work ethic and for forging a career from little natural ability, those with an OPS+ of 80 should tread lightly, methinks.

In transparently praising himself for his grinding ability, I think he is not so much advocating bringing in new players (like him, naturally) but rather using the smokescreen of the trade deadline as a means to take shots at current unnamed teammates, presumably under-performers who aren't adequately grinding, at least in his estimation.

Then again, maybe I'm just misreading a seemingly innocuous remark.

CaramonLS - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 06:04 PM EDT (#171963) #
A big "No thank you" for Jack Wilson.

Not a SS who can play for the Jays/the AL... basically he is John McDonald with a Salary.  The thought of the Jays giving up anything of value for this guy, makes me shudder - the only way I'd take him is if the Pirates are sending Prospects + Wilson in a Salary dump type of move.  Thats it.

scottt - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 06:11 PM EDT (#171964) #
" Blue Jays target Wilson: The Blue Jays reportedly interested in acquiring Jack Wilson, but a trade is unlikely to happen until after the July 31 non-waiver deadline.  "

Jack Wilson is not much of an improvement over John Macdonald. He's another right handed batter that would hit 8th or 9th. He has no power and doesn't steal bases. Defensively? I'd rather have Omar Vizquel even if the guy is 41. At least it's a switch hitter than can steal a few bases and a gold glove to boot.  Wilson is a waste of money. They'd be better with some sort of utility infielder that can hit from the left side.

Maybe they need to decide if they'll go with Zaun/Thigpen behind the plate before they commit money at short stop.

Pistol - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 10:28 PM EDT (#171973) #
a means to take shots at current unnamed teammates, presumably under-performers who aren't adequately grinding, at least in his estimation.

There's no doubt he's taking a shot at someone(s).  But if you're looking at positions players, who?  Wells is the only one I can think of, or at least the only one that I can think of that isn't hitting well.  Perhaps Thomas too.  It'd be tough to put Rios or Glaus in that boat.  Johnson & Overbay just got back (and regardless I don't see them being lumped in), Hill seems like a 'grinder' and the SS I'm not sure you should be expecting more out of.

Maybe part of it is the antics of Towers and Burnett that gets Blair all riled up.
Pistol - Monday, July 23 2007 @ 10:32 PM EDT (#171974) #
Jack Wilson is not much of an improvement over John Macdonald

Apparently Ricciardi feels the same:
"We have no interest in Jack Wilson -- absolutely no interest," Ricciardi said emphatically. "None. I have Jack Wilson. I have John McDonald."
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