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That was by far the worst Josh Towers has looked this season, although the special circumstances surrounding his performance will probably buy him a little slack with management. He had nothing - he couldn't even throw his fastball for strikes, which is pretty much what his whole game is based on. That the Rockies only scored five runs off him is somewhat mystifying.

Brian Fuentes thought the Matt Stairs hit that started the winning rally was a big deal, and I must admit I was awfully impressed by it myself. Fuentes deals from a kind of high sidearm arm slot, and his left arm barely even seems to bend in his delivery - if you're a left-handed batter, it must seem like he's slinging the ball at you from somewhere down the first base line. Stairs hung right in there and rapped the first pitch smartly up the middle....

I didn't even notice it as it happened, so deep and intense was my focus on the pitch at hand - but Tallet and Frasor struck out the side in consecutive innings, fanning six guys in a row. When's the last time that happened in a Jays game, anyway?

Wells hitting leadoff worked out nicely for Vernon, and it also worked out very nicely for Gregg Zaun. Twice Zaun came up to bat with Wells on first, and twice he ripped base hits to right. It's possible that with no one on first, he would have had just a couple of uneventful groundouts.

The Rockies are an appealing and interesting team, with an exciting future. But like a lot of young teams that have never been good before, they do make mistakes that can cost them the occasional ball game or two. The throwing error by the rookie catcher would be the most obvious example, of course. But there was also Todd Helton, of all people, running them out of an inning when Lind surprised and threw to second instead of making a pointless throw to third.

Finally, where would this team be without Troy Glaus?

23 June 2007: Had 'Em All The Way | 25 comments | Create New Account
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Dez - Saturday, June 23 2007 @ 01:54 AM EDT (#170428) #
I got the impression that the reason Towers couldn't throw his fastball for strikes was that he was pitching a little bit scared. He knows he has a short leash so he was probably trying too hard to hit those corners. What was weird was that the curveball that Hawpe hit out was low and out of the strikezone - not exactly a mistake pitch. It must have been easy to read out of his hand for some reason.

But, wow. I'm still amazed how quickly the game turned around in the 9th. I went from being disgusted that there was no better option than John Macdonald to hit in that situation to being elated that Fuentes is a lefty, so Howie Clark didn't pinch hit. Awesome game.
China fan - Saturday, June 23 2007 @ 02:28 AM EDT (#170429) #

  I've been wavering on the Towers issue, largely because so many Bauxites have made so many passionate arguments in his defence this year.   But by now he's had enough chances.   His last three outings have been extremely unimpressive, and he's recently been allowing runs at a rate of one per inning.   Aside from a few outings in spring training, he's really shown nothing over the past two seasons.  Let's try anyone else.  Taubenheim, Banks, Litsch....  anyone with a future.  Chacin is going to be throwing from a mound next week -- maybe he'll come back this season.  The Jays have got to find someone to replace Towers.

    On another note:  Burnett has been officially reprimanded for his antics in the chilli-pepper races.   The Jays clearly think this guy is too undisciplined.  Are they losing patience with him?

   http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070622.wspt-jays-win-22/GSStory/GlobeSportsBaseball/home

 

Pistol - Saturday, June 23 2007 @ 08:42 AM EDT (#170431) #
Yeah, a guy having fun is a big problem that needs to be taken care of.

As Magpie mentioned the Stairs AB was huge.  And then Hill and McDonald both got lucky that their balls found holes on pitches that were both down and away.

Squiggy - Saturday, June 23 2007 @ 09:14 AM EDT (#170432) #
Anyone else look at Troy Tulowitzki and wonder about what could have been? This was the first time I had seen him play and he looks really, really good. Get well soon, Ricky Romero. 
westcoast dude - Saturday, June 23 2007 @ 10:25 AM EDT (#170434) #
Six stikeouts in two innings by Tallet and Frasor is a team first.  Blue Jays won on a Towers start, coming from behind four times and winning in extra innings on a wild and crazy three run play. Whether it's the thrill of victory or the agony of defeat, this team has a flare for the dramatic. J.P. has made some clinkers (good-bye, Chad Gaudin) but turning Koskie into Brian Wolfe was not one of them.
NDG - Saturday, June 23 2007 @ 10:49 AM EDT (#170435) #
Agree with Pistol, I don't see what the problem is with AJ participating in a fun race.   Entertaining the fans; why do that?
Chuck - Saturday, June 23 2007 @ 11:43 AM EDT (#170437) #
As Magpie mentioned the Stairs AB was huge.

Why does Jamie Campbell insist on calling Matt Stairs a free swinger? The man is not Mookie Wilson. He draws walks. Always has.

And boy oh boy did Frank Thomas look like a deer in the headlights against Fuentes. You'd think a lefty sidearm slinger bringing the ball into Thomas' wheelhouse would be just his kind of pitcher. Two straight pitches down broadway seemed to catch Thomas entirely off guard. I don't know if he's just not seeing the ball well this year and if that is what is leading to some ugly swings (rather than, say, reduced bat speed), but a little trip to the optometrist for all the 30+ guys might not be a bad idea. Maybe a fun team outing on their next day off.
Wildrose - Saturday, June 23 2007 @ 11:45 AM EDT (#170438) #
In another article today, Blair essentially calls Burnett a pussy. Hard to know what's going on here, is Blair  reflecting managements thinking, or is this his own opinion?

Burnett with the out clause after 2008 is a diminishing asset, trade or extend him?

I somewhat disagree with Blair's assessment of Burnett. Personally I've always been a little skeptical of high pitch counts and the link to increased injury, primarily because in the old days pitchers were pushed a lot harder than todays hurlers.  Maybe I'm just being an old fogy  in this regard , but when you see the MLB leader in pitcher abuse points go down with an injury, the cause and effect seems quite real. I do agree his penchant for running up relatively high pitch counts may be counter-productive in the A.L.

Wildrose - Saturday, June 23 2007 @ 12:04 PM EDT (#170440) #
Why does Jamie Campbell insist on calling Matt Stairs a free swinger? The man is not Mookie Wilson. He draws walks. Always has.

I thought exactly the same thing. Tabler's constant fawning over the offensive stats of the Rockies without any mention of context also made me wonder. Nice guys, but  they really could use a little bit more sabemetric preparation in their presentation ( I can think of about 10 guys who are regulars on this site who'd really help them).
Joanna - Saturday, June 23 2007 @ 12:27 PM EDT (#170442) #

I read that Blair article about Burnett a few days ago and thought it was a bit much.  The best contribution he can make to the team is to opt out?  Oh please.  Maybe he is annoyed that AJ still hasn't commented to the press about his shoulder.  As for the chilli race, it was funny.  People need to settle down and remember that these guys are entertainers and the whole experience at the ballpark is supposed to be fun.

And holy crap, that was a crazy game last night.  And Troy's face after he k'd in the 8th was fantastic.  Seething rage.

ayjackson - Saturday, June 23 2007 @ 12:32 PM EDT (#170443) #
Agree with Pistol, I don't see what the problem is with AJ participating in a fun race.   Entertaining the fans; why do that?
  I agree with the Jays - once is funny, twice is annoying to others in the organization trying to do their job.
VBF - Saturday, June 23 2007 @ 06:40 PM EDT (#170451) #
On another note:  Burnett has been officially reprimanded for his antics in the chilli-pepper races.   The Jays clearly think this guy is too undisciplined.  Are they losing patience with him?

Before I say anything, yes, I do realize I'm contributing to the monster.

This is a complete and classic case of something innocent and simple becoming way to complicated and it could only happen in today's modern world.

This story isn't even deserving of a blurb after an article, much less someone questioning whether the Jays are losing patience with him. People need to quit looking for things to bitch about.

By the way, Frank Thomas has surpassed the .800 OPS barrier, steadily on his way to .900. Crow pies are in the oven.
Magpie - Saturday, June 23 2007 @ 08:08 PM EDT (#170455) #
Tallet and Frasor struck out the side in consecutive innings, fanning six guys in a row. When's the last time that happened in a Jays game, anyway?

To answer my own question -  never, apparently.

As always, all's well that ends well. In view of the week he had, I would have backed Towers up to Saturday to give him an extra day off and started Taubenheim on Friday. As it turns out, neither of them was any good and the team won both games anyway.
China fan - Saturday, June 23 2007 @ 09:26 PM EDT (#170456) #

     Looking more closely at the OPS figures, here's an odd statistic:   John McDonald, with an OPS of .694, has virtually the same OPS as Vernon Wells (.696).  

    If Wells manages to turn it around this season -- and there were some encouraging signs on Friday -- this team could make some noise in the second half of the season.

 

Mike Green - Saturday, June 23 2007 @ 10:56 PM EDT (#170460) #
all's well that ends well

Ozzie Virgil yesterday, Robbie Shakespeare today.  En fuego, Magpie.

True story.  I get into the car with my father-in-law, and join the game in progress. It's the top of the sixth, and Jays lead 6-3, Jerry helpfully tells me.  Taubenheim is still in there. "Get him out", I equally helpfully demand of the radio. We're driving east on St. Clair.  A walk.  I tell my father-in-law that the only question is whether the score will be 6-6 or 7-6 Rox at the end of the half-inning.  He smiles at me as though I am insane.  Alan mentions that Wolfe is warming up. "Wrong pitcher", I tell my amused father-in-law.  A second walk, as we're turning left on Mount Pleasant.  I utter an unpleasantry.  By the time, we reach Bayview and Eglinton, it's 6-6 going to the bottom of the inning, and I assure my father-in-law that everything is going to be all right. He's from Montreal and hasn't known this painful pleasure in years.


Pistol - Sunday, June 24 2007 @ 12:01 PM EDT (#170471) #
Rosenthal writes that the Jays may listen to offers for Glaus with the Angels, Dodgers, and Padres all potentially interested.

If there's an attractive offer for Glaus I'd pull the trigger.  It's great that he's hitting well right now, but it's out of line for his career (OPS+ of 138 in 2004, 125 in 2005 and 119 in 2006.  He's at 149 today.) so I don't see him sustaining it.  Plus, he's a threat to go on the DL every game.

If there was ever a time to trade Glaus it's right now - I can't imagine him becoming more valuable at any point over the rest of his contract.

ayjackson - Sunday, June 24 2007 @ 01:13 PM EDT (#170472) #

Any thoughts on whether Towers gets his two starts before the all-star game?  Downs had one of his longest outings of the season yesterday, and I know he's been pretty brutal as a starter, but maybe he leads the bullpen through those two starts?

Burnett would also see two starts prior to the allstar game, and then could get another ten to twelve days off before his next start (if he pitches on the 28th and 3rd), which would be good for his arm.

As far as Glaus is concerned, I'm not sure what we could get back from those teams.  We'd likely need a 3B or SS coming back. 

Angels - Wood is still very hit or miss, literally (Santos has been better this year).  A pitcher like Saunders perhaps.  I'd ask for Howie Kendrick - and then figure out where to put him and Hill.

Dodgers - Andy Laroche, but I want Billingsly - might take a sweetener (Jesse, Casey or Gus?)....may need a crappy infielder (Betemit) thrown in

Padres - Headley and two highA propsects - Ayala and Leblanc...doubt the Padres would do it

 

timpinder - Sunday, June 24 2007 @ 01:13 PM EDT (#170473) #
I agree with Pistol.  I'd trade Glaus right now if it brought back a 3B or SS ready to start regularly.  Andy Laroche would be perfect if the Jays were comfortable moving Hill to SS and starting Thigpen at 2B, or using the money saved on Glaus to bring in a guy like Eckstein to play SS.  Wood might even be available in a Glaus trade since he seems to be having an off year.  Rios, Thomas and Wells can provide enough pop in the middle of the order to compensate for the loss of Glaus, and I'd rather have health and consistency in the field and depth in the batting lineup than an injury prone slugger at 3B and a sinkhole in the batting order at the SS position. 
Sanjay - Sunday, June 24 2007 @ 01:21 PM EDT (#170474) #

According to Bastian at MLB.com, Clayton met with JP to discuss his current situation.  Could he also be on the move (Released or Traded)?  Would Santos or Adams be called up to back up Hill and McDonald along with Howie Clark. 

http://mlbastian.mlblogs.com/

Pistol - Sunday, June 24 2007 @ 01:56 PM EDT (#170475) #
The Globe had something similar on Clayton, although the headline was funny ('SS experiment')
Gerry - Sunday, June 24 2007 @ 03:31 PM EDT (#170480) #
Clayton did the same thing last year at around the same time.  I worried about it when the Jays signed him.
Twilight - Sunday, June 24 2007 @ 03:55 PM EDT (#170485) #
Just a couple of thoughts here...

1. McDonald is first on the team in batting average (.291 prior to today's game) and has obviously made a lot of strides at the plate. This doesn't necessarily mean he'll sustain it, and he's no power threat, but what does this guy have to do to not be referred to as a "sinkhole" anymore? At this point I think at least for now we can stop blaming McDonald for the team's performance, especially considering his contributions in the field.

2. I agree that trading Glaus is an option now, but it shouldn't be done just because they can. If Glaus goes, I want to see real value coming back to Toronto, either in the form of a young, power hitting infielder, a good young catcher, or another good arm. No simple salary dumps. He has been there this year where others haven't, and I still think as a whole the Jays are better with him than without him.

Finally, things are starting to come around! The Jays have got consistently good pitching performances (save for Towers and the 6th, 7th, and 8th starters), Zaun is back and appears to be hitting, and around the all-star break, hopefully Overbay and Johnson will be back in it again. This looks good, and I can't wait to see this team at full (or almost full) strength.
Pistol - Sunday, June 24 2007 @ 04:00 PM EDT (#170488) #
Well, if Clayton has any questions on why he's not playing they could just show him this.
Gerry - Sunday, June 24 2007 @ 04:59 PM EDT (#170497) #
That list has some interesting names.  Many thought the Jays would go after Adam Kennedy in the off-season but JP didn't, good call.  The Jays did take a run at signing Julio Lugo, lucky break.  I also see Ryan Shealy's name there, many bauxites thought the Jays should have picked him up, again good call JP.
Pistol - Sunday, June 24 2007 @ 08:37 PM EDT (#170517) #
If I remember correctly the Jays made a better offer to Kennedy than the one he signed with the Cards, so I'm not sure it's a good call as much as it was good luck.
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