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You've probably noticed that the Jays longest winning streak this season is... ahem... three games. Is this any way to win a championship? Or even a little respect?


Probably not. Theoretically, I suppose you could win a world championship without ever going on a hot streak. Before the playoffs anyway. I don't think I recommend it.

But still - a team could go L-W-L-W-L-W week after week after week - twenty-seven times in all - and they'd go home with a .500 record. But if, just once every month, one of those Ls became a W; if you ran off a three game winning streak just once every month - you'd end up 87-75. Exactly like the 2006 Jays, and several games better than the 2006 World Champion St. Louis Cardinals.

That's not how it's generally done, and it's not how the Cards actually did it, of course.

Anyway - all of us, from time to time, have been known to lament the strange and sad fact that the Blue Jays just never seem to get really, really hot. They never seem to roll off nine straight wins; they never even seem to win 15 of 17, which is just about as effective.

And if you're going to be a good team, or a contender, or a champion, you need those patches within the season when you gain ten - count 'em, ten - games on .500. The smaller the number of games it takes, the greater the chance that you can do it again at another point in the same season.

The smallest number of games you can play and gain ten games on .500 is... 10, of course. You go 10-0 just once, and you'll end up at 86-76 if all you do is break even over the other 152 games. But let's suppose there's a patch in those other 152 games where you go... oh, I dunno... 31-21. Now you can split the other 100 games, and you've got a 91-71 record, which will surely have you in the hunt for the post-season. And from there, if just once a month. you turn one loss into a win - once every four or five weeks.. you get to play in October.  [This quick fix made necessary by sharp-eyed Bauxite groove noticing that my ability to carry out basic arithmetical functions seems to have abandoned me in my old age.]

See? Just tread water for most of the year, and put together a couple of good streaks! Presto!

Ah, if only that was all there was to it...

But anyway. By definition, any team that finishes 10 games over .500 must have had a stretch within that season (even if that stretch covers - oh - 146 games) where they were 10 games over .500. So let's wander back through some recent Jays history, and see if this team has ever... ever... been hot.

2006 - They did finish 12 games over, so they must have gotten the job done at some point. As it happens, they did it in the first half of the season. They put together a 29-19 run from May 10 through July 1, closing it off by winning 5 in a row and 9 of 11. The five straight wins was their longest winning streak all year. The overall 48 game period lifted them from two games over .500 (17-15) to 12 games over (46-34). That was as far above .500 as they would get all season, and of course it's also where they finished the season. Which means that they played exactly .500 ball for the final three months of the season. They actually dropped as low as four games over .500 (57-53) after a 7 game losing streak in early August, and again to three games over (69-66) after losing five in a row at the end of August.

2005 - The team that never got hot. Their longest winning streak was four games (they did it three times); the longest losing streak was five games (twice). They spent most of the season very close to .500, never falling more than two games under (9-11, 45-47) but never rising more than four games over (6-2, 16-12, 28-24, 55-51) until a 7-2 stretch in late August lifted them to a season best six games over (63-57). From that not very giddy height, they eventually gave away 10 games to .500,, slipping four games under (76-80) and finished up two games below at 80-82.

2004
- The Jays fell below .500 on the very first day of the Season From Hell, and never came close to making it back. They lost their first three games, and 11 of their first 14 to plant themselves firmly in a deep, dark hole. A six week stretch of reasonably competent ball, highlighted by a season-best six game winning streak in early May saw them pull to five games under .500 on several separate occasions (13-18, 22-27, 25-30) - but that's as good as it would get. They started to slip further behind in June and July, and in August, of course, they drove right off the cliff and plummeted down, down into that awful chasm... oh, let us not speak of it.

2003 - A six game winning streak was also the best that the 2003 squad could manage. Still, the fact that four of those games constituted a sweep of the Yankees, in Yankee Stadium, really ought to count for extra. Nevertheless, this was a team that could, and did, get hot. Very, very hot indeed. They stumbled out of the gate, and posted a dismal 7-15 mark on April 23. After playing .500 ball for a week, they suddenly caught fire. They ripped off 34 wins in their next 48 games - that's .708 ball for almost two months, gaining a full 20 games over .500 in somewhat less than one-third of a season. Accordingly, by June 23, they were 12 games over at 44-32. That, alas, was the high-water mark. Soon afterwards, they lost 11 of 13, slipping to just 3 games above .500. They dropped below .500 at the beginning of August, and were three games under by the time they wrapped up their final West Coast trip on August 25. And then they got hot again, closing out the year with another burst that gained more than 10 games on .500 - this time it was a 22-9 run to close out the season.

2002 - The new general manager - J.P. Ricciardi - and the manager he inherited from the previous regime - Buck Martinez - never did seem like a match made in heaven. Everyone assumed the new GM would make a change; the real question was when he would actually pull the trigger. The 2002 Jays came out of the gate streaky as all hell. They won their first two. They lost their next five. They won their next four. They lost their next four. And soon thereafter, they dropped eight in a row, to fall to 10-18. By late May, they were stumbling along at 17-27 when they set out on a nine game road trip. They lost the first six, getting swept in Cleveland and Boston. And then, they took three in a row in Detroit - and this was the moment when Ricciardi decided to send Martinez back to the broadcast booth. Has anyone else ever wondered why that particular day? Who the hell knows, but here are three points to consider - 1) it was the end of the road trip. 2) why not turn things over to the new guy when the team has actually won a couple of games, and might be starting to feel a little more competent; 3) the three wins in Detroit did give Martinez exactly 100 career wins as a manager, which seems likely to stand as his lifetime total. Oh, that Ricciardi - such a sentimentalist! The Jays had sunk as low as 16 games under .500 (17-33) with Martinez in charge; under Carlos Tosca, they would actually fall further. They lost 8 of 9 at the beginning of July to stand 19 games below break-even, at 34-53. They were up and down over the next two months - they won 8 of 9 in mid-July, but immediately thereafter lost 12 of 15, to fall a full 20 games below .500 (53-73). And then... they actually got hot. They closed out the season with a very nice 25-11 run, and won their final seven games in a row (best streak of the season), bringing their record almost all the way back to even.

I'm going to stop there, at the dawn of the Ricciardi era. That 7 game winning streak at the end of the 2002 campaign is still the Jays longest such streak of the current millennium. I did look over the Game Logs of each season going back to the World Series years. A few notes:

Jim Fregosi's first team put together a very impressive two month run in mid-season, going 38-15 from June 13 through August 11. This was one streaky bunch. They put together an 8 game winning streak in April, but barely managed a winning record for the month. They had a stretch in August where they lost 9 of 10, and one on September where they lost 9 of 11. All of which more or less canceled out the good work done during the hot weather.

I remember Tim Johnson's 1998 team as having scuffled through a disappointing first half. And then, at the deadline, Gord Ash traded away all the Proven Veterans that Johnson had been running out there every day - Stanley, Sprague, Guzman, Phillips Myers! - giving Johnson no choice but to Play the Kids. And the kids, as the song says, were all right. However, my memory gives only a portion of the truth. The old guys managed to gain 10 games on .500 themselves in just two months, going 35-25 to take the team from seven games under .500 (10-17) to three games over (45-42). But they were two games under at the deadline, when Ash cleaned house, and they were just one game over a few weeks later when all of a sudden... en fuego! They suddenly snapped of 11 wins in a row. At 78-66, they were 23.5 games behind the Yankees, but just five games out of the Wild Card. They picked up two more games on .500 on the final weekend, finishing 14 games over. Which is the highest the franchise has been above .500 at any point in any season since the days when Duane Ward could still pitch.

The two World Series teams never put together two digit winning streaks - the 1993 team managed eight wins in a row, the 1992 team's best streak was a nine-gamer. The 1993 team also managed to lose 10 of 11 games at one point along the way. What both of these clubs were very good at was putting together those two and three week stretches of really high quality baseball that opens up space above the .500 mark. The 1993 team won 16 of 18 at one point; they also put together a 15-4 run, and two separate 13-3 stretches. In those four fragments, they went 57-12 - a full 45 games over .500 (which helped them withstand the 1-10 run they tossed in as well.)

The 1992 team also had a 15-4 run, along with a 17-7 patch, and a 19-8 patch. Those three season fragments put them 32 games over .500 (51-19).

So both world champion teams had three different parts of the season when they gained 10 games on .500. None of their followers have had more than two.

So, yeah. I think it would be helpful if the Jays could manage a winning streak longer than three games.
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groove - Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 08:18 AM EDT (#169833) #
Interesting.. but I got to call you out on the math

But let's suppose there's a patch in those other 152 games where you go... oh, I dunno... 31-21. Now you can split the other 100 games, and go home with a 96-66 record.

31+10+50=91 - so it's 91-71.  which is borderline dance.



Magpie - Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 08:23 AM EDT (#169834) #
borderline dance.

I missed a step! Like doing my homework - I was going to go from 86 to 91 to 96 and took an illegal short cut ... maybe I was in a hurry to go out and play.
westcoast dude - Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 09:05 AM EDT (#169838) #

Let borderline dance be our rallying cry. Is not this the best pitching staff sine 1992? Does not good defence win games?

electric carrot - Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 09:41 AM EDT (#169841) #
longtime lurker electric carrot's crystal ball says:

The big winning streak started yesterday. And an impressive win/loss ratio streak started yesterday and goes to the allstar break whereupon we find the jays in the thick of the wildcard race.

(what happens from there? not sure)

Mike Green - Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 09:44 AM EDT (#169842) #
Some notes on yesterday's game. 

Aaron Hill has played in every one of the team's 65 games, and it shows.  He was a little slower than usual chasing bloopers yesterday.  A day off or two before the All-Star break would be a good idea.

Howie Clark had trouble on a pop-up without interference. 

The Jays took advantage of Roberts' weak arm in centerfield yesterday, particularly when Rios advanced to second on a medium depth fly-ball to left center.



AWeb - Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 10:32 AM EDT (#169846) #
I've done a couple of comments along these lines this year...the lack of extended hot streaks is very frustrating. Why is it happening this year?

Toronto pitching has had several hot streaks this year. Since the 9 game losing streak, they've lost 13 games (18 wins). In those losses, they've allowed 4.62 runs per games, in the wins, only 3.22. The average runs per game in the AL this year is 4.85. So the pitching/defense has done more than enough to allow the current stretch to have been a notable hot streak. Not that 18-13 isn't a good stretch, but it's not hot enough to get them to the post-season.

The hitters....oh, the hitters. Hill was hot to start (and good since), Glaus was great while the team was reeling off losses, Rios has been great since April, MacDonald (of all people) has had two great stretches.  But with Wells, Thomas and Lind struggling all year, Overbay going out injured after providing reasonable production, Clayton failing to surprise us by not being terrible offensively, the backup catchers getting regular ABs....geez, the list of disappointing offensive performances goes on and on. 

So, glass half full of future offensive hot streak: one or both of Wells and Thomas is bound to have an extended hot streak sooner or later. Zaun will come back and hit, hopefully.  Lind will continue a slow improvement, and no one else is performing at unsustainable levels. Now if only the pitching can hold it together when this eventually happens.


Mike D - Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 10:33 AM EDT (#169847) #

Correct me if I'm wrong, Magpie, but weren't the '92 Jays the first team in decades to never, ever get swept?  I suppose the total absence of cold can be as good as hot.

ayjackson - Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 11:16 AM EDT (#169848) #
My (on)crack staff of researchers here at the ayjackson institute have estimated that the cumulative ERA+ of the Jay's Fab Five in the bullpen is 237!!  That would be Janssen, Tallet, Accardo, Downs and Frasor who have amassed 145 IP, or 2.3 IP per game.
Chuck - Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 11:34 AM EDT (#169851) #

Aaron Hill has played in every one of the team's 65 games, and it shows.  He was a little slower than usual chasing bloopers yesterday.  A day off or two before the All-Star break would be a good idea.

And that rest would presumably come against an AL opponent as he's been forced to bat 5th against the NL. Imagine a vs-LHP lineup with Clayton, McDonald, Phillips, Thigpen, Lind and the pitcher. The horror.

ayjackson - Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 11:47 AM EDT (#169852) #

Aaron Hill has played in every one of the team's 65 games, and it shows.  He was a little slower than usual chasing bloopers yesterday.  A day off or two before the All-Star break would be a good idea.

I somewhat disagree.  Aaron (and the rest of the Jays) have had three days off in the past three weeks.  He'll get more days off in July at the All-Star break.  The third and fourth week in August look like good spots to give him a break.  Hopefully Adams will be back on track by then (he seems to be on his way, currently).  Hill is young and should be able to play 158-160 games.  If he has All-Star duty, then I'd consider some more time off in July.


 

Magpie - Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 12:32 PM EDT (#169854) #
weren't the '92 Jays the first team in decades to never, ever get swept?

Amazing! You're right! (Hang on, hang on, it's not amazing that you're right...)

Anyway,  I was completely unaware of that.

The 1992 team came mighty close to getting swept on a number of occasions, but they escaped every time. One of the things that may have helped was that in those halcyon days before Interleague Play, they played a great number of four game series.

Todd Stottlemyre beat Jim Abbott 1-0 to salvage the second game of a two game set with the Angels. The Jays then lost three in a row to Milwaukee before the ghost of Dave Stieb got up, walked around, and pitched a CG three hitter to win the finale 4-1 over Bill Wegman.

In May, they dropped the first two of three to the Angels, but Juan Guzman salvaged the last one. Two weeks later, they lost five games in a row, to Seattle and Minnesota - but Stieb had won the first of the four games with the Mariners, and they rallied from a 6-2 hole to beat the Twins in extra innings and get the final game.

They never lost more than three in a row the rest of the way, and only five times at that. Twice they lost three straight to Oakland, and once to Detroit, but each time they were able to win the fourth game (twice to begin the series, once to end it.) The other three game losing streaks (both of them) came during a nine game stretch with Milwaukee (WLL), Minnesota (LWL) and Chicago (LLW).

Jack Morris was carrying the staff all by himself at the time, and his only start during those nine games was the victory against the Twins in the middle of it all. (Morris had beaten Cleveland to conclude the previous series, and he would beat Milwaukee to start the next one.... man, no one who actually remembers August 1992 will ever, ever question how much Morris meant to that championship.)
John Northey - Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 12:43 PM EDT (#169855) #
Mike - dead on with the 92 Jays never being swept. I remember clearly fearing the first sweep would be in the final 2 game set in Atlanta (games 6 & 7), especially after the broadcasters mentioned how they hadn't been swept a couple of times.

That 1992 team's pitching staff was a killer.
Morris/Key/Guzman/Cone/Wells/Stottlemyre/Stieb
ERA+'s of 102/116/156/161/76/91/81 (those last 3 would be a lot better in other seasons)

The pen wasn't bad either.
Henke/Ward/Timlin/Eichhorn/MacDonald/Wells
181/210/100/94/94/76

Backup pitchers included Pat Hentgen & Dave Weathers getting their feet wet and Al Leiter still recovering.

Funny, a lot of the ERA+'s were not as good as I figured they would've been. The team was just 9th in ERA but was 2nd in runs scored per game. The following year they were 2nd for r/g again but climbed to 5th in ERA. Of course the next season saw 4 out of their main 5 in the pen have ERA+ of 130+, the 11-16th pitchers on the staff had ERA+'s of 100+ for 4 out of 6. The only guy with 20+ IP and an ERA+ sub 90 was Jack Morris at 71 (for comparison Litsch ended up at 68 and Ohka at 78).

Glurg. Just looked at the ERA+ for this years team. The 5 guys listed in the pen are at 127 ERA+ - well, that is for the worst of the batch (Frasor). Then comes Downs at 146, the slacker, follwed by a 199, 204, and 445. Wow. Current rotation (more or less) of Halladay/AJ/Marcum/McGowan/Towers are at 99/113/128/95/85 vs the 1993 rotation's 110/113/90/71/99 with Leiters 106 over 12 starts the only other starter with over 3 starts.

Sigh. What a waste of an amazing pitching staff this year to be stuck with an offensive offense. 6th in ERA (and climbing) vs 10th in r/g - Tampa is ahead of our offense. Ugh.
Mike Green - Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 01:07 PM EDT (#169857) #
man, no one who actually remembers August 1992 will ever, ever question how much Morris meant to that championship

Challenging my memory, Mags?  Fair enough.  Here is Morris' 1992 gamelog. In Morris' 6 starts in August, the club went 5-1 as they scored 33 runs and allowed 23.  Morris threw 7 innings per start.  As usual, Morris got a little more run support than his share, and would have gone 4-2 with typical support. 

As far as I am concerned, Morris gets his share of the credit for the 1992 championship and Juan Guzman's and Duane Ward's and Tom Henke's.  Morris was a good pitcher, and gave you innings.  That has value, but so much of his "mystique" is empty.
Mike Green - Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 01:42 PM EDT (#169859) #
And there was one other thing from yesterday.  Steve Kline...El Guapo Gaucho.  Just because you can get away with just about anything as a LOOGY and keep your job, doesn't mean that you should.
Magpie - Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 01:54 PM EDT (#169860) #
[Morris] would have gone 4-2 with typical support.

Hang on... in his six starts he allowed 1, 6, 3, 2, 1, 1 runs. He should have lost twice? As it happens, he did lose the game when he allowed three runs in seven innings (the Jays were shut out), and won the game when he allowed six runs (the Jays scored 15, which is why his run support for the month looks so impressive.)

But that's not my point, anyway. Morris kept the ship afloat while the rest of rotation was completely imploding all around him.  Guzman spent most of the month on the DL (0-1, 6.48 in two starts).  Key went 1-4, 6.25 in six starts; Wells went 1-4, 13.14 in five starts. Stieb made one start, and then was shut down for the season. Doug Linton was summoned to make three starts (1-2, 13.50.) Todd Stottlemyre was the only other guy apart from Morris who didn't flat out suck - (3-2, 3.86).

The starters were so bad that Gaston and Gillick eventually felt compelled to add a sixth reliever to ease the load that Henke, Ward, Eichhorn, Timlin, and MacDonald were being forced to carry. The Jays gave up 181 runs in their 30 August games - more than six per game. The staff went 14-16, 5.93. (The team ERA in the other months ranges from 3.53 to 4.00 until September, when they cut it all the way to 2.62 - hello, Mr Cone!.)

Another way to look at August 1992:

Month            G  CG SHO SV   IP   H  BFP  HR   R  ER  BB  IB  SO  WP HBP  W   L    ERA
Morris 6 0 0 0 41 38 172 1 14 14 15 0 28 0 2 5 1 3.07
Everybody Else 24 2 1 7 217 250 981 24 167 156 94 6 140 10 11 9 15 6.47

I still say he earned all his money right then and there. They had a 4.5 game lead when the month began, and they were still up by 1.5 games when it ended.
RhyZa - Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 02:53 PM EDT (#169864) #

While very few want or feel permitted to say it, it still needs to be said that Wells has been extremely disappointing this season.

And while the results may be the cause of our frustration, it is his approach that is most frustrating of all. I think this is why so many were apprehensive about giving him the big contract. Over the years, there has just been very little in terms of maturity or development with him at the plate. Inherent in said approach are periods of long droughts, and extremely hot stretches (which I'm sure is to follow) but whether it is the lack of protection from a lineup that was supposed to provide it or not (thus more bad pitches, his achilles' heel), I would think one would much more prefer contributions from their star on a more even, reliable keel.

greenfrog - Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#169866) #
Yes, Wells has underperformed, but with a few exceptions (such as Rios, Hill, and Glaus) the offensive drought has been a team problem.

I think we have to wait and see how Wells finishes out the year before passing judgement (frustrating as it can be). It's not as though Wells simply needs to tell himself, "Memo to Vernon: don't swing at garbage pitches". I'm sure he knows his strengths and weaknesses better than anyone else does. Besides, he was fabulous last year, so it's not as though he learned nothing from the 2004-05 seasons.
Magpie - Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 04:05 PM EDT (#169870) #
While very few want or feel permitted to say it, it still needs to be said that Wells has been extremely disappointing this season.

As far as I can tell, everybody is saying it.

And yeah, it's disappointing. After a strong April, he had a lousy month of May - very much like his September last season - and so far June has been even worse. I don't think it means seven years of famine. I think he'll hit again.

He is what he is - a Joe Carter type hitter, albeit a little bit better, with considerably more defensive value.
CeeBee - Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 08:18 PM EDT (#169892) #
Vernon's season reminds me of  Carlos Beltran's first season in New York after he signed his big contract. Some players seem to adjust to the pressure, or at least not be affected by it but I think Wells is putting most of that pressure on himself and like Beltran will pull out of it.
ayjackson - Friday, June 15 2007 @ 09:49 AM EDT (#169910) #

Beltran's third season in New York reminds me of his first season. 

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