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Tomo Okha has been designated for assignment today and the Jays now have ten days to trade him, release him, or send him to the minors.  Josh Towers is back in the rotation and will start next monday in San Francisco.  Home run hitter Barry Bonds will look forward to facing the home run prone Towers.

Meanwhile AJ Burnett starts today against Edwin Jackson in a game the Jays should win.  But we said that on Tuesday too and that didn't work out too well.  A win today would be nice before the team heads off for six west coast inter-league games.

With Okha off the roster the Jays will need to call up someone to take his spot, it could be Greg Zaun or it could be a pitcher, Brandon League or Jamie Vermilyea perhaps?

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Mike Green - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 12:28 PM EDT (#169436) #
I am pleased that Towers will be returning to the rotation, at least pending the health of Marcum and the possible move of Janssen.  Now, if Jason Frasor can be reinstated to a more highly leverage role and Brandon League can make it back, the pitching staff will be in good shape for the second half of the year. 

While the Zambrano/Ohka/Thomson acquisitions were not handled optimally by the management team, they fortunately have not bound themselves to mistakes. 

China fan - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 12:48 PM EDT (#169437) #

    Mike, I'm curious what you mean when you say that the acquisition of those 3 pitchers was "not handled optimally" by the Jays.   Can you explain?  What should the team have done differently?

    I know there's a feeling that Zambrano should have been sent to the minors at the beginning of the season.  But he's there now, and he doesn't seem to be rounding into shape.  Of course injuries are a factor for Zambrano and Thomson, but both of them have been at Syracuse for a while now, without being particularly impressive.

   It now appears unlikely that any of those 3 will be providing much help to the Jays this year -- unless Thomson or Zambrano somehow make it back to the majors, which seems a longshot.    Yet among Bauxites there was tons of optimism about all 3 of those acquisitions in the off-season.  The consensus seemed to be that at least one or two of those 3 pitchers would prove to be a good solid bargain-basement acquisition.  In retrospect, what happened?  Was it a doomed exercise in picking through the remainder bin?   It seems, in hindsight, that the Jays would have had to be incredibly lucky to get a strong comeback performance from any of those three.  Our optimism was misplaced. 

Edmonton Marc - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 12:49 PM EDT (#169438) #

It looks like Zaun will take Ohka's spot on the roster.

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Baseball/MLB/2007/06/07/4242216-cp.html

That's 5 bench players for the Inter-league series coming up this week.  I wonder if they'll do more juggling with minor-league relievers (i.e. De Jong for Wolfe) as needed depending on how much of a workload the bullpen gets.

jjdynomite - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 12:51 PM EDT (#169439) #

Not at all being critical, Mike G, but I'm curious how the Zambrano/Ohka/Thomson acquisitions could have been handled better?  Ohka being shown more of a regular spot?  Zambrano being brought along more slowly?  The fact is, with pitching being so scarce, they were released by their former MLB teams for a reason: they are AAAA guys at this stage of their careers.  I highly doubt this situation could have turned out any differently.

It is unfortunate to watch Lilly and Meche sporting under-4 ERAs for teams a fair bit worse than the Jays, but what else could JP have done?  For the Jays to have any success, the young guys need to step up, which Accardo and Janssen have, but I guess neither is rotation-eligibl/ready.  I am not totally sold on McGowen but his last two starts have been sweet.  The Jays' need a reliable #3 for next year; no more shelling out huge dollars for offence (Thomas and Wells, given his '07 stats).  Then again, the Yankees need pitching even more; so let the bidding wars begin.

CaramonLS - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 12:55 PM EDT (#169440) #
I know there's a feeling that Zambrano should have been sent to the minors at the beginning of the season.

I'd like to echo that feeling.  Zambrano was a guy who could hit the mid-high 90s with his fastball in TB/NY, he was coming off surgery far too soon to make an impact at the major league level.  Yeah, he had a good spring and a few good Bullpen outings, but you could see from watching him that he wasn't the same pitcher as before. 

High 80's heat + control problems are a recipe for disaster at the ML level, especially for a guy whose pitch style depends on his velocity.
Pistol - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 01:04 PM EDT (#169441) #
I still think Ohka, Thomson, and Zambrano were all worthwhile risks, even if none of them really worked out.

But it is time to pull the plug on Ohka.

Mike Green - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 01:17 PM EDT (#169442) #
Zambrano should have been sent to Syracuse to start the season, and certainly should not have been inserted into the rotation having worked 5 innings in 1 month.  The preference for Ohka over Towers in the rotation prior to today has been puzzling.  That seems to be water under the bridge now.

I had no problem with the acquisitions.  It was the handling that was not optimal.

Ryan C - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 01:20 PM EDT (#169443) #
I am extremely pleased that Towers is back in the rotation, it's about time.  As far as I'm concerned he should have never been taken out.
Thomas - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 01:28 PM EDT (#169444) #
I agree completely. The preference for Ohka over Towers to this point has been strange and the front office has never explained why they felt Ohka was the better option. Nevertheless, what's done is done. They were good risks to take with relatively inexpensive contracts. Zambrano and Thomson havent' worked so far and Ohka seems to be done with the team, but JP made the right call after his focus on Lilly and Meche was unsuccessful.
Leigh - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 01:42 PM EDT (#169445) #
Excellent.
Smithers - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#169446) #
Good to see the "Free Sparrow" campaign that was going on in the chat last night has finally come to fruition!  Now we're 4/5's of the way to what should be a rather dominant rotation in 2008 - just trade out Towers for Janssen and all will be good. 
PaulE-O - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 02:24 PM EDT (#169447) #
I think this is a good move, I feel Towers at least offers the opportunity of a good outing, while at best you were left hoping for a no-disaster from Okha.

PLEASE stop with the calls to move jannsen into the rotation, he's a very, very effective high leverage reliever, those types are very expensive and he's good at it. At best he'll be a serviceable starter (probably not even). Don't mess with what works!

Squiggy - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 02:27 PM EDT (#169448) #

I still think that the trio of veteran starters was a worthwhile gamble - at a very minimal cost (ca. $3 million or so, total?), JP took the chance at catching lightning in a bottle. Even if there is not another win supplied by Thomson or Zambrano, it was worth a shot. While it could have been handled slightly differently, I am not sure that the results would have been all that different. Having said that, it was clearly time for Ohka to go and to give those few 5th starter starts to Towers. It is telling that he is still here - I am sure JP has offered him all over both leagues by now. His stock is obviously beyond low right now, so the only way is up.

 

Ryan Day - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 02:43 PM EDT (#169449) #

PLEASE stop with the calls to move jannsen into the rotation, he's a very, very effective high leverage reliever, those types are very expensive and he's good at it.

But the Jays already have a bunch of them. Right now, I trust Accardo, Frasor, Downs, and Tallet in a close game. Brandon League may not be far away. B.J. Ryan will be back next year. The rotation, meanwhile, has four good starters and Josh "maybe it's 2005 again" Towers. Making Janssen a starter might weaken the pen, but it also might reduce the need for the pen.

Janssen was "serviceable" last year, when he had no ML experience, barely any AAA experience, and a bad back. I don't see any reason why he can't improve upon that. Maybe, ultimately, he will be better in the 'pen, but it seems a waste to stick him there without trying him as a starter, where he's been serviceable at worst throughout his career.

PaulE-O - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 03:17 PM EDT (#169450) #
it would be a long shot to say that brandon league could replace jannsen, at his best last year he wasn't nearly this good

you need that security in the 8th and 9th. I think one of Towers or Leitsch, or possibly Chacin (even Romero) will fill out the end of the rotation

Janssen needs the extra mph that come with being in a relief role, his fastball doesn't really dive or cut (as far as I remember from last year)

John Northey - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 03:20 PM EDT (#169452) #
I am in the camp of 'it was worth a shot' for the O/Z/T combo. All have had good seasons in the not too distant past and all had a big incentive to produce while none were at an age where they'd be dumb risks (35+).

As to Janssen, for now keep him where he is but be ready to stretch him out in the winter again for a starting role in 2008 (assuming BJ is back and League is healthy and effective). I figure stretching him out to a full starter role now would be difficult to do safely and we want him to stay in good shape.

Towers? I wonder if starting him vs SF is to showcase him and see if they have any interest (ie: Towers does well vs an NL team perhaps they will offer to take his contract and give a minor prospect back).
Alex Obal - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 04:22 PM EDT (#169458) #
I am in complete agreement with this decision.

Furthermore, I think given the ridiculously high demand for pitching these days, I'd be interested in finding out how cheaply Towers is willing to sign a one-year extension at this point. Since Towers is pitching very well but will definitely be on a short leash again, it sounds like it could be a mutually beneficial move.
Anders - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 05:03 PM EDT (#169467) #
it would be a long shot to say that brandon league could replace jannsen, at his best last year he wasn't nearly this good

Woah! Easy there. I don't know if we're talking about the same pitcher here. Brandon League had an utterly ridiculous season last year, after he came up for good. Plus, if you look at the comparable numbers between Janssen and League, and take out the ERA, then it becomes  apparent that League in fact had a somewhat superior season to Janssen's 2007.

League 2006   - 33 gp, 42.2 IP, 34 H, 29/9 K/BB, 1.01 WHIP, 3 HR, .549 OPS, 5.71 (!!!) GB/FB
Janssen 2007  - 26 gp, 31.0 IP, 28 H, 12/5 K/BB, 1.06 WHIP, 1 HR, .623 OPS, 1.48 GB/FB

League had better K numbers, better K/BB, better Whip and OPS against. Plus the average ERA in the AL was .13 higher in 2006. He only loses in the HR department, which is out of whack because his HR/FB ratio was 17%, as opposed to Janssen's 3%. I'm a big fan of Casey Janssen, but hands up everyone who thinks that he'll end the season with an ERA under 2? Or that if he pitches another 40 innings that he'll only give up one or two home runs? League's ridiculous sinker means he's just gonna get tons of easy ground ball outs.

Joanna - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 05:12 PM EDT (#169469) #
As one that said "WTH?" to moving Sparrow (Smithers, I love that you've adopted my name for him) from the rotation in the first place, I say yay!
Magpie - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 06:14 PM EDT (#169482) #
John Thomson could yet be heard from. He got knocked around the other day, but he'd given Syracuse three pretty decent starts in a row before that, since returning from his blister problem. If they don't like what Towers gives them this time...

And I'd be a little reluctant to mess with Janssen, partially because he's doing so well in his current role. Jason Frasor  seems to be turning into the new Justin Speier (in my mind, anyway!) - someone who gives you lots of good innings in relief except when it's really, really important to get a good inning right now.

The mysterious thing about Ohka, is how he was as successful as he was. His raw stuff is even less impressive than Towers', and his control and command is nowhere near as sharp. The ability to keep hitters off balance and confound their expectations will beat a 95 mph fastball every day of the week (and twice on Sunday if we've got a double-header scheduled) but it's not as if Ohka is a master of these abilities. Although he does indeed possess them, at least to some extent.

Mike Green - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 10:59 PM EDT (#169506) #
The decision to leave Burnett in for the seventh inning, with a pitch count of 113 or 114 (depending on the source) entering the inning, was unwise (and strange because the team had just juggled the rotation to give him an extra day's rest). Hopefully, they get away with this one...
Dez - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 11:13 PM EDT (#169509) #
Leaving Burnett in was obviously a decision based on giving him the chance to get the Win.  I definitely did not agree with the move, but you have to feel for Burnett, forever labelled a .500 pitcher by baseball 'experts'.  On another note, this was one game in which I did not enjoy sitting in the 500 level.  So many school kids who cheer so loud for pop flies, yet nothing for anything else aside from Rios' HR.  I'm getting old, I guess.  I also questioned the decision to intentionally walk Carlos Pena.  Accardo has always owned lefties.  And another question, why was the roof closed?! 
AWeb - Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 11:46 PM EDT (#169510) #
I was just about to comment on how odd it was that Burnett got to throw 130 pitches after being rested specifically because he had been throwing too many pitches. He was already near the top in pitcher abuse points (a fairly silly stat sometimes, but still a quick summary of how much he's been throwing if not a sure fire indication of impending injury) , and he has a long history of injury problems. Including last year! He missed, what, two months last year with arm pain? Dumb dumb dumb. Maybe this is a devious plan to use him up completely before he opts out of his contract?
PaulE-O - Friday, June 08 2007 @ 03:52 AM EDT (#169513) #
well if you exclude Brandon League's bad outings from last season, I guess his numbers are better than Janssen's - however, I'm not sure that's a really good basis for analysis

130 pitches for Burnett is total madness, but at least he's a gamer - obviously this game came down to lack of offense (again), vernon wells is not a team leader, he just rolls over like a wimp, and thomas is now undefensibly a bust

VBF - Friday, June 08 2007 @ 08:47 AM EDT (#169522) #
And another question, why was the roof closed?!


I was on the island yesterday and the temperature was definitely hovering around  14 degrees, the minimum temperature allowed to be able to open the roof. It was definitely cool.

Towers to the rotation is fantastic. The offense better spot him some runs though, not because the guy can't pitch, but I'd hate for him to start losing those 3-2 games again. 
John Northey - Friday, June 08 2007 @ 11:09 AM EDT (#169536) #
Weird to see AJ leading the PAP scores with Livian Hernandez still pitching. Daisuke Matsuzaka being second was a bit of a surprise too. Halladay is #52. At #59 was McGowan even though he has just 6 starts so far. 219 pitchers are listed so that is saying something. Towers is 146, Ohka 151, Marcum 156, Chacin in a massive tie for 157th (0 PAP).

Avg PAP...
AJ - 4749.9
McGowan - 827.8
Halladay - 580.1
Towers - 2.0
Ohka - 0.8
Marcum - 0.2
Chacin - 0

The scores are based on pitches in a start.
Category 1: 100 pitches or less
Category 2: 101-109
Category 3: 110-121
Category 4: 122-132 - twice by AJ, 19 total for the ML
Category 5: 133+ (none this year)

The score is based on (pitches-100)^3 with 0 for all starts below 100.

Thus you got to be good enough to get to 100 pitches, but not so good that 100 pitches is a complete game (ala Halladay at his best).
Anders - Friday, June 08 2007 @ 02:38 PM EDT (#169557) #
well if you exclude Brandon League's bad outings from last season, I guess his numbers are better than Janssen's - however, I'm not sure that's a really good basis for analysis

I'm no expert here, but I'm pretty sure putting in all of League's stats doesnt really count as 'excluding' anything. Noting that he gave up more home runs than his component stats suggest is another way of saying there is still room for improvement.
VBF - Friday, June 08 2007 @ 03:04 PM EDT (#169561) #
vernon wells is not a team leader, he just rolls over like a wimp,

I missed that tasty nugget.

Yes Wells is not a team leader. From the large amounts of camera footage inside the clubhouse that we view on a daily basis, the monitoring of all player to player communication, and from the transcripts of all daily events of Vernon's life we can make this very accurate conclusion.

For those holding pitchforks with Frank Thomas' name on it, I want you around in September. Don't disappear on me.




PaulE-O - Friday, June 08 2007 @ 05:16 PM EDT (#169576) #
because being a team leader is about being vocal in the clubhouse?
VBF - Friday, June 08 2007 @ 06:29 PM EDT (#169579) #
Honestly, I couldn't tell if that was a sarcastic question or not. Anyone who thinks a team leader is about being vocal in the clubhouse.....well let's let them live in their confused little world.

As for his play, that defence he's showing sure sets an example for the younger players, and I can't think of many other centerfielders I'd want to teach Lind and Rios, and eventually Snider. The hitting will come along, and if you're ragging on his ability to be "clutch" then that argument's rather unfortunate.

I guess Roy Halladay isn't a leader either.

VBF - Friday, June 08 2007 @ 06:33 PM EDT (#169581) #
Oh I'll also mention how absolutely difficult it is to have a discussion with someone when they choose not to offer any rhymne or reason for their radical comments. Normally I'd ignore it, but I find it hilarious how people get when Wells has a couple of bad months and must subject myself to these discussion.
Mike Green - Friday, June 08 2007 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#169588) #
Criticism of Vernon Wells'  leadership skills is tiresome.  He is not an emotional leader, but so what?  He is having a rough start to the season, but we're just two months in.  My guess is that he'll settle in at his career average.

Ryan Day - Friday, June 08 2007 @ 09:38 PM EDT (#169589) #
Judging a player based on how much emotion he shows leads to things like John Olerud being run out of town. I'm sure we can all agree that was a pretty bad idea.
PaulE-O - Saturday, June 09 2007 @ 06:59 AM EDT (#169595) #

I absolutely don't want a cheerleader, I don't think Jeter spends much time yapping it up in the clubhouse

I want someone to lead by example in his play - I think we all do

someone that will pick the team up and carry it by at least some measure of will??

not by batting .174 with RISP and 2 outs

not by batting .222 in late innings and close games

granted, when things are rolling well, he can get picked up with the momentum and his talent takes over

his mentoring on defense? give me a break - the guy is obviously a superb athlete and it's because of that althleticism that he gets away with his lackadasical (and smug) attitude in the outfield

vernon is a great complimentary player, but not a leader, nor someone you should vest a franchise contract on

Spifficus - Saturday, June 09 2007 @ 08:22 AM EDT (#169596) #
Why not just say you want him to hit better? I mean, that's what you're really asking for, not this vaunted leadership.

Oh, and I'm amused that leadership only applies to offense...

Meh.


PaulE-O - Saturday, June 09 2007 @ 08:32 AM EDT (#169598) #

hmm - so we're shelling out a 100+ mil for good defence in CF? I think vernon wells was signed to produce with the bat

I think wanting him to lead by example sort of implies that he should be hitting better

aside from last year and the first part of 2003, I think he should be hitting a whole lot better

Spifficus - Saturday, June 09 2007 @ 08:50 AM EDT (#169599) #
There we go... Much better.

I know it's less satisfying to realize that Vernon's in a protracted slump (even in his off years, he wasn't quite this bad), but really, striking out is not a moral offense or character flaw... It's part of the game. I know we want it to be some moral victory when our team does well, and think it's an atrocity committend against humanity when we lose, but really, Vernon WANTS to hit... He just isn't. So, wouldn't it be better to refer to the situation as it really is (early offensive returns on that contract are pretty crappy), as opposed to try to make it a character flaw, that Vernon is somehow a weaker person than he should be? Just a thought...
VBF - Saturday, June 09 2007 @ 10:55 AM EDT (#169610) #
his mentoring on defense? give me a break - the guy is obviously a superb athlete and it's because of that althleticism that he gets away with his lackadasical (and smug) attitude in the outfield


I'd love for you to explain this one. Are you saying that you would like him to run faster and harder to get under fly balls? But then you're saying that he's a great athlete, which would imply that he is showing the ability to run hard and fast.

You can win three consecutive Gold Glove Awards and still get criticism for defense. Embarassing.


Chuck - Saturday, June 09 2007 @ 05:52 PM EDT (#169622) #

So, wouldn't it be better to refer to the situation as it really is (early offensive returns on that contract are pretty crappy), as opposed to try to make it a character flaw, that Vernon is somehow a weaker person than he should be?

Hear, hear.

If Wells is only able to elevate his game to the level of Vernon the Good (OPS 780-810), and not the twice seen Vernon the Great (OPS 900), then he'd once again become a very useful player to the team. He wouldn't be worth $18M per year, but that's a whole other conversation. (And speaking of that conversation, if this were Wells' walk year, as it would have been absent the shiney contract extension, what kind of deal would he be looking at were his bat to stay in the 700-750 OPS range?)

As for Wells' moral character, until we hear a formal Operation Shutdown declaration from the man, we'll have to assume that he is trying and that he cares, even if he is not succeeding a whole lot.

scottt - Sunday, June 10 2007 @ 08:58 AM EDT (#169635) #
Going back to Ohka, the hope in spring training was that the team would score around 5 runs per game and that he would be able to net some wins.

The loss of Sparky at the top has hurt. Mostly because the best bat in the lineup is currently hitting leadoff and those solo homers aren't winning many games.

If wins have to come from shutouts, than Ohka is not the man for the job. That much is clear.

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