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The Jays look to create some separation from the Yanks in the ongoing battle for second place. This series features two matchups of young, unproven righties bookending a Pettitte-Marcum showdown on Tuesday night.


Matt DeSalvo, tonight's starter, is a 26-year-old career minor leaguer who earned his spot in the Yanks' rotation by putting up a 1.05 ERA in five AAA starts despite only having a 23:13 K/BB ratio. His ERA is inflated by a relief appearance Friday against the Angels in which he gave up two hits and two walks in 0.0 innings. Joe Torre: "[Friday] he came in and he tried to act like a reliever. He went down there and started from the stretch, and that was a surprise to everybody." He's actually sitting on a 3.71 ERA as a starter in three starts with a 1-1 record. (However, his numbers do contain every single red flag imaginable. Seriously, make one up, look for it in the chart, it's in there. Really!) DeSalvo is acutely aware that he's getting plenty more chances: "As long as they have the tiniest bit of confidence to throw me out there again, then that's all that matters. That gives me an opportunity to show my stuff. Just the idea that I'm going to throw again is a pick-me-up."

Old reliable Andy Pettitte (who's actually only 34) has been easily the Yankees' best starter this year. Given his performance it's a bit of a surprise that he is only 3-3. He still throws around 90 mph with a great cutter and a curve, and he's reaching for his changeup more than in years past.

When Darrell Rasner went down to a finger injury, Thursday starter 22-year-old Tyler (Yankee) Clippard barged into the vacant 5-hole in New York's rotation on merit. Clippard has very good minor-league numbers, especially considering his age. He throws in the low 90s. His best pitch is supposed to be a change; he also throws a curveball. The Hartford Courant has a detailed analysis of Clippard's Myspace.

Johnny Damon is battling calf cramps. His weapons in this struggle are massage therapy and long soaks in the whirlpool bath. The Yankees expect him back in the lineup no later than Thursday. Melky Cabrera is starting in his place and providing a big defensive boost.

The Yankee bullpen has been afflicted by some sort of backwards Yankee mystique. Of the six non-closers, only Brian Bruney (and Ron Villone, in 7.2 innings) are really overachieving. Mainstays Scott Proctor and Kyle Farnsworth aren't overpowering hitters yet, and Proctor in particular is living dangerously given his higher-than-usual walks and flyball rate.

Then there's the closer. Mariano Rivera is off to an awful start...


That big red line is his ERA.

... I mean we're talking about pretty clearly the most unhittable pitcher of all time, and quite arguably the greatest too, and he hasn't had an ERA above 2 in the last 5 years and now he's sitting on a 5.94. Rivera's unique style of pitching (cutter, cutter, cutter, cutter, cutter...) makes him systematically beat the traditional line drive rate and HR/fly benchmarks year in and year out. Except this year he's not doing that, and he's not getting his groundballs either. But his K/BB numbers are right where they always are. Is this a slump, or is Mo actually losing it? I'm very disinclined to stick a fork anywhere near him, but the early returns can't be totally disregarded. Can they?

The Credit Section: Batted-ball and Leverage Index are available at Fangraphs. K% and BB% are strikeouts and walks as a percentage of plate appearances; GB% is groundballs as a percentage of balls in play. Minor-league stats are from Minor League Splits. Everything else, most notably the AL average statistics, is available at The Hardball Times.


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Mike Green - Monday, May 28 2007 @ 02:50 PM EDT (#168672) #
Unsurprisingly, the Yanks are hitting .278/.359/.442 against right-handed pitchers and .267/.341/.405 against portsiders. Series like this one remind us that David Purcey's development matters...
AWeb - Monday, May 28 2007 @ 02:52 PM EDT (#168673) #
about pretty clearly the most unhittable pitcher of all time

Nolan Ryan wants his record back (Rivera would be 10th if he qualified on that list). Of course, the utter lack of extra base hits has been the most remarkable thing, so I'll let it go. The greatest of all time argument I can see though, even if I don't agree with it.

Battling the Yanks for third place in late May...not exactly what we all had in mind. Or Yankees fans for that matter, they can't exactly come into the park and brag about their teams greatness right now. Ah, who am I kidding, sure they can.  Both teams are in similar pitching situations as of now though, hoping for young starters to carry them through until a former Cy Young winner makes it back. Even after that though, both teams need at least one youngster to stick in the rotation.

Also, I haven't seen it mentioned here, but how much did it suck that the Twins series wasn't on TV? If only I liked watching hour after hour of TV poker, I'd have been fine. I swear I preferred the darts and pool programming to poker...ugh. About the only thing below poker is a dog show.
Ryan Day - Monday, May 28 2007 @ 03:22 PM EDT (#168676) #

I wanted to say that tonight will be the night Dustin McGowan gets it all together and begins an unbeaten streak that lasts into August.

Then I remembered the Yankees, and now I'm afraid he'll be gone by the third inning.

So the streak will start next week. (Though I suppose there's a decent enough chance this turns into an 11-10 game)

Rob - Monday, May 28 2007 @ 05:35 PM EDT (#168689) #
Josh Phelps, catcher? Alex, are you serious?

Oh, one inning. Well, you're technically correct. I suppose it's a good way to see if anyone's paying attention.
Chuck - Monday, May 28 2007 @ 05:42 PM EDT (#168691) #

I swear I preferred the darts and pool programming to poker...ugh. About the only thing below poker is a dog show.

Where does a painting of dogs playing poker fit on this continuum?

Chuck - Monday, May 28 2007 @ 05:45 PM EDT (#168692) #

the Yanks are hitting .278/.359/.442 against right-handed pitchers

And that's with Abreu, Damon, Cabrera and Giambi all underperforming.

Lefty - Monday, May 28 2007 @ 10:05 PM EDT (#168705) #

Well that would make you almost Nostradomas.

Every site needs one.

Good call. Almost.

timpinder - Monday, May 28 2007 @ 10:56 PM EDT (#168709) #

That's the MKGowan I've been waiting to see.  His stuff is great and his potential is very high.  We've seen glimpses of what he's capable of before, but it's nice to see him throw well consistently over 8 innings (almost).

I was expecting to see Gibbons take the ball after Jeter got on and I was surprised when MKGowan was left in there to face Matsui.  It turned out to be a bad call on Gibbons' part, but MKGowan still got the win and a quality start.  That's two in a row now, hopefully he's turned that corner because he has the stuff to be an ace. 

JayWay - Monday, May 28 2007 @ 11:16 PM EDT (#168711) #
That was a performance seven years in the making.

Love the side burn mojo.

Mylegacy - Monday, May 28 2007 @ 11:48 PM EDT (#168713) #

McGowan's stuff had more wiggles than a Weasel with hemorroids, least wise that's how I sees it.

Lookin' like we got ourselves a keeper, hot damn.

fozzy - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 12:09 AM EDT (#168715) #
So the Jays have called up another reliever, according to Rotoworld. Apparently Brian Wolfe has gotten the call; Ryan Roberts was optioned to AAA.

With a couple of pitchers already collecting dust on the active roster, this one's a head scratcher.
China fan - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 12:24 AM EDT (#168716) #

     Wolfe has a 0.84 ERA in 14 appearances at Syracuse and he has two wins.  So he probably deserves a crack at the majors at some point.  The Jays gave him a lot of appearances at spring training too, so they've been impressed with the guy for some time.  It could be a nice payoff from the Koskie trade -- which nobody expected, since Wolfe didn't seem to be much of a prospect at the time when he was acquired for Koskie.

     But eight pitchers in the Toronto bullpen?  At a time when several Bauxites have argued persuasively that the Jays could easily go with six relievers?    When Towers and Vermilyea have hardly seen any action in weeks?  When the Jays need infielders to back up Glaus and Clayton?  When pinch-runners are in short supply, and the catchers and shortstops are in frequent need of pinch-hitters?   It's all very odd.

     To me, it speaks to the dire shortage of good hitters in Syracuse.  If Adams or Hattig were showing anything at all, they could easily find a spot on Toronto's active roster today. 

    But I would agree with everyone who says that Olmedo deserves a chance, and now seems a good time.

    

ayjackson - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 12:27 AM EDT (#168717) #
Well that is a head scratcher.  Here's hoping that Ohka's last start convinced some team part with a utility player to get him.
Mylegacy - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 12:32 AM EDT (#168718) #

At the end of the day's play the Jays are 6 games out of the wildcard.

A rotation of AJ, McGowan, Halladay (which one will show up?), Marcum and Ohka/Thomson and a pen of Accardo, Janssen, Frasor, Downs, Vermilyea, Tallet and a half dozen other guys just might be enough. Offensively, Rios is warming up, people are treating Thomas like he is warming up, Glaus is still swingin' a sweet bat, Zaunnie is back in a week or so, Sparky is less than a month away, Wells will have his usual hot second half, Overbay is quietly having a wonderful season, Hill is putting on defensive training videos every day and is hitting solidly (with more to come.). Stairs is providing a great lefty bat and veteran leadership on and off the field and Lind is learning and taking his lumps (he'll put it together, look for a big second half).

Honestly, I think we've got a 50/50 chance of getting to the playoffs.

China fan - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 12:36 AM EDT (#168719) #
  On further reflection, the only possible explanation is that the Jays are expecting (or fearing) a lot of short appearances by the starters over the next three or four games.  Halladay might be limited to five innings on his first game back on Thursday.   Litsch could be hammered on Wednesday if his luck runs out and the major-league hitters have begun to figure him out.  Marcum has been doing well lately, but he's often unable to go past five or six innings in his starts.   So the Jays must figure that there's a risk that the bullpen will be heavily taxed over the next few games.
tstaddon - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 12:42 AM EDT (#168720) #
Curious for sure. But considering that Vermilyea has tendonitis, management has no faith in Towers and Roberts has looked overmatched in his brief time up -- never mind. It's modest ado about nothing. Although Roberts would have had to be removed from the 40-man roster for this, correct? So who knows which IF gets recalled the next time we need one.

Why Vermilyea hasn't been put on the DL confuses me a little. If he's been inactive for 17 days, couldn't they (theoretically) DL him retroactively tomorrow and activate him to pitch on the weekend if need existed? Just curious -- never seen an injured player be inactive on an active roster this long before.
Nolan - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 01:48 AM EDT (#168721) #

Marcum has been doing well lately, but he's often unable to go past five or six innings in his starts.

To be fair, not to mention honest, he's had three starts this year going 6, 6 , and 7 innings [unless you were also counting last year...] after being used as a reliever during the start of the season.  In my book Marcum has done very well in the "inning-eater" department, all things considered.  Whether he can keep it up remains to be seen, but he has been relatively effiecient with his pitch count and if given a 100 to 115 pitch range limit, is a good bet for 7 or 8 innings.

DH - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 07:59 AM EDT (#168723) #

Indeed, an eight man bullpen is a tad strange given the Jays weaknesses on the bench. Especially given the disappearance of Towers and Verm (injury..).

That said, my real question is why did Gibbons put McGowan out there in the 8th. He had thrown exactly 100 pitches of, if memory serves, 3 hit ball. He hadn't made it past the 6th in any of his previous outings. I suppose had he retired Jeter I might not complain - but for a kid whose confidence has been yoyo'd about, I would think 7 shutout eatings and exactly 100 pitches would have done wonders. Not that Matsui's blast changes that but ... just made me question Gibbons thinking with respect to a young pitcher.

To draw a cross-town analogy re: coach's, Sam Mitchell was a bad coach the first few years - that he survived to see this season is beyond me - but look at how he has progressed.

Is Gibbons in the same boat? Is he learning on the job, with his players? I don't see it - in particular, his handling of the pitching staff.

Chuck - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 08:17 AM EDT (#168724) #

Honestly, I think we've got a 50/50 chance of getting to the playoffs.

Ah, the glass if half full again! Clay Davenport has the team's chances at 5% to 12%, based on the different variations of his playoff odds methodology.

Matthew E - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 08:28 AM EDT (#168725) #
I was at the game last night and I have a question about the fourth inning. When Hill singled and Glaus tried to score from second, I wasn't watching Hill; I was watching Glaus because I thought he was a dead duck at the plate. But then the throw didn't come through! Did Hill give himself up on the bases intentionally to let Glaus score? Or what happened?
Gerry - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 08:43 AM EDT (#168726) #
Matthew, we don't know what was in Hill's head.  My impression is that with a normal centre-fielder the throw would have come through to the plate and Hill would have been able to get to second.  But with Damon out there the Yankees didn't have a shot at Glaus so they cut the throw and got Hill.  I didn't get the impression that Hill was trying to give himself up, I think he mis-calculated.
Matt S - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 08:43 AM EDT (#168727) #

I didn't see the play, but Jerry Howarth seemed to think so.  He lauded Hill for smart baserunning.

AWeb - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 08:53 AM EDT (#168728) #
The replays made it look like the cutoff man may still have had time to turn, throw, and get Glaus. At the very least, it would have been close enough to force a slide (is sliding feet first into a catcher a major risk right now for Glaus? I would think so).  Hill may have been trying to prevent that from happening by presenting himself as a sure out. I've heard that type of play called smart baserunning before, so I choose to believe Hill was doing the smart thing. He may also have been shocked they didn't throw home to get Glaus and got caught taking what should have been an easy extra base.



Matthew E - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 09:26 AM EDT (#168730) #
Well, as I say, from where I was it looked like Glaus had no chance of scoring. If the throw had come through I'm sure they would have had him.
PeterG - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 09:51 AM EDT (#168731) #
Regarding the seemingly curious move of calling up Wolfe and demoting Roberts, my guess is that the plan is to bring up Howie Clark and that he has to pass waivers first(not sure about the waivers). This would mean more 40 man roster tinkering but there is certainly some other moves(s) about to happen.
ayjackson - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 10:14 AM EDT (#168733) #

I watched the reply of that cutoff several (5+) times.  The ball would have bounced on the pitchers mound.  It was almost completely out of momentum when cut off.  It's spin was leading it to the first base side of the plate.  Without the effect of the bounce, it would have been a meter to the first base side, with the slicing bounce , further.  I think it would have bounce at least three to four times before reaching Posada.

It may have been interesting if it was relayed home by Mink, I hadn't considered that.

And it wasn't good baserunning by Hill.  That ball was never high enough to by-pass the cutoff.  You don't need the distraction of Hill taking second to score on Damon, you just wave the runner home and the rest takes care of itself.

ayjackson - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 10:43 AM EDT (#168741) #

I've come to appreciate AJ Burnett.

I've been hot and cold and sometimes luke-warm about this guy.  Pitching aside, he always came across as a punk or brat to me.  But he seems to be the "rah-rah" leader of the pitching staff, and that is something I never expected.

I first noticed it during Josh Towers appearances (way back when) - he'd always be encouraging and/or congratulating Josh when he came off the field (mostly encouraging).  I'm noticing now that he always is the first off the bench to meet the pitcher at the end of an inning.  He seems to really get behind the young guys too.  While Doc is always sitting on one side of him in the dugout, a young pitcher is often sitting on the other side of him, receiving whatever advice or encouragement AJ has to offer.

I never expected this from Burnett - to be a mentor to the kids - but I'm really beginning to appreciate it.  He seems to have that "to hell with authority" look about him, but it accompanies an "I'd give my life for my rotation-mate" attitude. 

Anybody else picking up on this?

Matthew E - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 11:07 AM EDT (#168745) #
I think David Wells was a bit like that. In his book, he certainly doesn't have a lot of time for the Jays organization or the city of Toronto, but he seemed genuinely fond of the '99/'00 teams he was on here, especially the young pitchers. Called them his 'baby Jays'.
China fan - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 11:08 AM EDT (#168746) #
  Regarding the possible promotion of Howie Clark:  can someone explain the rationale?   Aside from versatility, what would he bring to the current roster?     The most glaring need, at the moment, is at 3B, where Glaus is still hobbling and likely to be rested every 4th or 5th game and likely for parts of other games too.  Is Clark, at his age, still capable of decent defence at 3B?  And would he provide better offence than Roberts or anyone else at that position?
ayjackson - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 11:27 AM EDT (#168749) #
If JP/Gibby are going to continue to rotate chumps (I mean that in the endearing sense) through the bench positions, why not give Santos a cup of coffee?  He is actually on the 40-man roster, for what it's worth.
Dave Till - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 11:31 AM EDT (#168752) #
Howie Clark can play just about everywhere in a pinch, and can play either corner outfield position as well as most infield positions. Roberts doesn't have that much versatility.

I'm a fan of Burnett's. He's a competitor, and he's trying his best to be The Man while Doc is gone. He's not as good a pitcher as Halladay - who is? - but it's not for lack of effort. As a Jays fan, I'm very happy with the signing.

While I'm here: I am fervently hoping that Roger Clemens gets royally stomped when he comes up. It's not so much that I dislike Clemens - it's not his fault that teams are willing to pay him $20 million to basically show up whenever he feels like it. Who could turn down a deal like that? I just dislike the whole Clemens deal because the Yankees are, again, trying to solve a problem by throwing a lot of money at it. This is money that other teams just don't have (except maybe Boston and the Mets).

If the Yankees get back into contention thanks to the efforts of an aging Rocket, I think it might be time to raise the luxury tax again.

JohnL - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 11:57 AM EDT (#168756) #

I never expected this from Burnett - to be a mentor to the kids - but I'm really beginning to appreciate it.  He seems to have that "to hell with authority" look about him, but it accompanies an "I'd give my life for my rotation-mate" attitude. 

Anybody else picking up on this?

In the Globe & Mail blog (see Sunday afternoon), Jeff Blair seems to be turning into a Burnett fan:

He won’t ever be an ace, but A.J. Burnett certainly has earned his money in Roy Halladay’s absence....Burnett threw 124 pitches with the Blue Jays bullpen gassed following Saturday’s 13-inning win and he said he was good to go for another inning if the Blue Jays had forced extra innings. Know what? I believe him. Dude's grown on me.

Ryan Day - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 12:05 PM EDT (#168758) #
Perhaps Burnett has a bit of Roger Clemens' personality: Clemens doesn't make a lot of friends in the media, but almost every teammate raves about the guy as a leader, teacher, and inspiration.
ayjackson - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 01:19 PM EDT (#168766) #

The ever-complimentary Joe Torre on Dustin McGowan:

"This kid completely shut us down, there's no question," manager Joe Torre said. "We have to give him more credit than us blame."

Flex - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 01:50 PM EDT (#168769) #
I still think the true "good guy" doesn't pick and choose who he's a good guy to. Regarding the media, Burnett seems indifferent rather than antagonistic. He simply couldn't give a rat's behind about their needs. It's the kind of arrogance that you don't get from a true good guy like Halladay or Hill.
Maldoff - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 02:12 PM EDT (#168772) #
All teammates like Clemens....except Kyle Farnsworth
BigTimeRoyalsFan - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 03:53 PM EDT (#168778) #
a quick look at the jays schedule shows that they are probably going to go with a 4 man rotation. they have off days on june 4, 14, 18, which means that until june 24th the jays dont need a 5th starter. the only problem day would be june 9th against the dodgers in LA, so im sure ohka or towers can handle a spot start in an nl park. i think no matter how litsch pitches on wednesday, he is going to be sent down afterwards. then, by the time the jays need a 5th starter again (june 24) its possible chacin could be ready or thomson can be ready for the big leagues. if not then u worry about it then. but for now, i think usin a 4 man rotation having doc and aj start half our games with marcum and mcgowan rounding into form this team can maybe cut that 6 game wild card deficit in half by the time the break rolls around
Joanna - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 05:17 PM EDT (#168781) #

Just from observation re. Burnett.  He is an emotional guy, he gets petulant with umps, he tends to let his mistakes compound, he is vocal about loving his teammates..But he has grown up a lot in the past year.  Maybe it's being president of the Roy Halladay Fan Club, or turning 30, but he is different.  Some of it last year was probably feeling the need to defend that contract (which now seems a bit of a bargain) when so many said the Jays overpaid for a ".500 pitcher."  Plus he started the season injured, which probably weighed on him and moving to a new city.  But I truly believe that this season is going to be a breakout year for him.  And I admit that he won me over when he said he thought Toronto was "clean".  I find it endearing.

I have never held a grudge for Boomer's Toronto feelings.  He didn't have the easiest time here.  Gillick made him do weigh ins, which would be embarassing.  Jimy Williams completely lost control of that clubhouse and the latin guys seperated themselves.  There was a lot of paranoia. Plus he had to hang out in the bullpen and listen to drunk guys yell insults at him in his home park.  Which I'm sure a lot of guys are bothered by, they just don't write books about it. His second Jays go-around came after being traded from a winning team, his favourite team as a kid, to a team that wasn't going anywhere. But Jays pitchers Key, Steib and Flannagan taught him how to pitch, something he describes in his book.  I must give my respects to any guy who has had a 20 year career, a couple of World Series and a perfect game.  His book is funny too.

ayjackson - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 05:47 PM EDT (#168784) #

Another comment on McGowan.  He threw a changeup to strike out a left last night (can't remember who) that was just nasty.  I immediately thought of Tug McGraw, because of its 'screwy' nature.  Maybe it was a gyroball?

Honestly, I can't remember what Tug's screwball looked like, only that I hated it and hated him.  He was an Expo killer and I'll never forgive him - especially considering his offspring croons.

DH - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 07:17 PM EDT (#168786) #
To make room for Wolfe on the 40man, League was transferred to the 60day DL.
Maldoff - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 08:17 PM EDT (#168790) #
Anyone know what the deal is with those WICKED mutton chops that McGowan was sporting last night? An ode to Sal Fasano? A lost bet?
Thomas - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 08:49 PM EDT (#168791) #
Howie Clark can play just about everywhere in a pinch, and can play either corner outfield position as well as most infield positions. Roberts doesn't have that much versatility.

Perhaps that's true. But it's no rationale for the promotion. In a year when the Jays have to keep at least one eye on the future, the team should see if Roberts can hit at the major league level. He's hit alright for a second baseman in the minors and he's not as bad as he's shown so far in the majors. Secondly, this is also a perfect year (and time, with Rios out and Stairs and Lind both being lefties) to see if he can play the outfield. If he can, great, we've found ourselves a 25th man for the next few years at major league minimum. If not, it's no big deal because this isn't a year where every at-bat might mean the difference between a win and a loss. This is the time to see if Roberts can sink or swim, much like they've done with several young pitchers.

This isn't the same as burying Marcum or anything, but it's still frustrating, particularly in light of the decision to promote a needless eighth man to the bullpen. Towers has pitched once since May 10th. If the team doesn't like him, fine. I disagree, but get rid of him. Vermilyea's not pitched since May 10. If he's injured, put him on the DL. If he's not, then why is here if he's going to sit on the bench?
Thomas - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 08:51 PM EDT (#168792) #
Oh yeah, and Towers' appearance was for one inning.
Ryan Day - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 09:19 PM EDT (#168793) #
What on earth is the logic in having Towers, Vermilyea, and now Wolfe gathering dust in the bullpen and having no one on the roster who can run faster than Frank Thomas? Or, just maybe, someone who could allow you to pinch hit for Royce Clayton?

I think Ryan Roberts can be a pretty decent bench player, but maybe he's just a AAAA scrub. He's still more useful than a third pitcher Gibbons isn't going to use.
CeeBee - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#168796) #

Whats the old saying? " You can never have too many pitchers"?

looks like somebody is taking it literally.

Mike Green - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 09:49 PM EDT (#168797) #
Having an 8 man pen when the starters are mostly giving you 6 innings plus, and you are getting Doc back, and you have 3 days off within the next 21, is nuts.  It's a bizarre idea at the best of times, but now, one can only scratch one's head.  Hopefully, this situation won't last more than a day or two.
Ryan Day - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 09:58 PM EDT (#168798) #
Okay, another head scratcher: Troy Glaus can play defence in the 9th, but he can't hit in the 7th or the 8th? What did I miss?
jeff mcl - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 10:00 PM EDT (#168799) #
The comment earlier today about the Jays being only 6 back of the WC really struck me; despite all that's gone wrong, this season is not beyond salvaging.  That was a spirited win tonight and the optimist in me hopes we've hit a turning point: the wheat has been separated from the chaffe so far as pitching goes and we get zaun back soon and sparky not long after that.  Reason enough to hope for a long shot run at a playoff spot.

Ryan Day - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 10:04 PM EDT (#168800) #
Anyway, that's enough negativity. Awesome win.

Aaron Hill is my new hero. Say what you will about Russ Adams and the 2002 draft, but Hill and Marcum made Ricciardi's 2003 choices look pretty darn good tonight.

AWeb - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#168801) #
Troy Glaus can play defence in the 9th, but he can't hit in the 7th or the 8th? What did I miss?

Clayton fouled a ball off his toe (2nd time in two games), and apparently wasn't up to continuing to field. If he's injured, they better not screw around hoping Glaus can not hurt himself worse for a few days.

Hill's steal of home! Highlight of the year so far.


Matthew E - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 10:42 PM EDT (#168803) #
Well, if Clayton has to go on the DL, they can always call up another pitcher.
HippyGilmore - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 10:45 PM EDT (#168804) #

I really didn't understand why Marcum got pulled 95 pitches into a shutout tonight but McGowan kept going into the deep 100's last night. Marcum's been healthier than McGowan throughout their careers and Marcum's been more consistent as a major league starter. I'm not really sure why Gibbons would treat them so differently.

Beyond that, great win, and one of the most exciting plays I've ever seen live by a Blue Jay.

Ryan Day - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 11:05 PM EDT (#168805) #
I actually thought Gibbons left McGowan in too long last night, but at least he had a bigger lead to work with. In a close game with a bunch of lefties due up, you go to Scott Downs unless Halladay or Burnett is on the mound.

Now, why you go to Scott Downs the night before with a five-run lead is another question entirely...

Mike D - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 11:06 PM EDT (#168806) #
Have we learned yet whether Hill's play was improvised or called from the dugout?

Superb game that featured a bit of everything.  Nearly every conceivable offensive and defensive strategy was used, at some point, by either or both teams.  The (possibly non-exhaustive) list -- steal of second; steal of third; bluff steal; straight steal of home; hit & run; bunt; pitchout; infield in; the ultra-shift; guarding the lines; timed pickoff attempt at second.  Plus, a very cool (if not exactly strategic) old-fashioned knock-it-loose collision!

Mylegacy - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 11:07 PM EDT (#168807) #

Tonight the old Jay's would lose. They had lots of excuses, dropped balls, fluke hits...but these aren't the old Jay's...these are the new ones...the ones that take a breath...dig deeper...come back harder. They know they've got the pitching, they know they've got the defense...they know they can score when they have to...these are the new Jay's, the 92 and 93 Jay's, the ones that never say die...that see the Yanks for what they are...a tasty snack on the road to glory.

We will overcome, hell...we overcome...tomorrow we sweep.

greenfrog - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 11:13 PM EDT (#168808) #
I've been wondering about Gibbons's decisions re pulling starting pitchers. The other day AJ threw 127 pitches. I was also surprised to see McGowan in the eighth the other night (if I recall correctly, we already had a solid lead). McGowan and AJ are two pitchers I would prefer to see held to 110 pitches or so in the large majority of starts. I think Halladay may need some coddling too (in the same way that Pedro eventually became a 6-7 IP starter to prolong his career).

I appreciate Gibbons's desire to win, but I think sometimes he gets desperate to protect a lead, or stay in a game, and overextends his starters.
HollywoodHartman - Tuesday, May 29 2007 @ 11:49 PM EDT (#168809) #
Hill said in an interview after that it was a called play that if the count went 1-1 he'd go. Imagine if he did it himself and got caught.
subculture - Wednesday, May 30 2007 @ 12:58 AM EDT (#168814) #
"I've been wondering about Gibbons's decisions re pulling starting pitchers. The other day AJ threw 127 pitches. I was also surprised to see McGowan in the eighth the other night (if I recall correctly, we already had a solid lead). McGowan and AJ are two pitchers I would prefer to see held to 110 pitches or so in the large majority of starts. I think Halladay may need some coddling too (in the same way that Pedro eventually became a 6-7 IP starter to prolong his career).

I appreciate Gibbons's desire to win, but I think sometimes he gets desperate to protect a lead, or stay in a game, and overextends his starters."


I completely agree with you, and this is my only problem with Gibbon's as a manager.  I think he has many positive traits, but don't like his handling of pitchers most of the time... 

And I also agree that it'd be nice for the Jays to have at least one somewhat speedy utility/bench guy, instead of carrying all those pitchers... when you've got so many slow players (like Philips, Thomas, Overbay, and to lesser extent Glaus, Stairs), you really need some speed you can bring in for close games.

VBF - Wednesday, May 30 2007 @ 10:29 AM EDT (#168829) #
All teammates like Clemens....except Kyle Farnsworth

That's Professor Farnsworth to you!
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