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I'm here in the press box, and they just made the following announcement:

Toronto Blue Jays have placed Roy Halladay on the 15 day Disabled List. He is having surgery for acute appendicitis. It is estimated he will be out for 4-6 weeks.




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Ron - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 06:26 PM EDT (#167864) #
It hurts me to say this, but you can't count on Doc to start 34-35 games a season going foward. He's an injury prone player, and the DL trips prove this. The last time he made every scheduled start was back in 2003.

Hopefully he makes a full recovery.

2007 is the season from Hell's Hell.



CeeBee - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 06:31 PM EDT (#167866) #

" He's an injury prone player, and the DL trips prove this. "

I fail to see how apendicitus fits into this assumption?

Bad luck may be more like it but I, like you also wish him a speedy recovery.

Dave Till - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 06:34 PM EDT (#167867) #
Next up is the plague of locusts, which should descend on the Rogers Centre on Sunday.

I would assume that this explains Doc's last start or so.

Migawd, what a snakebitten team.

Magpie - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 06:38 PM EDT (#167869) #
I don't know about injury-prone - let's see if he has appendicitis again next year, or gets whacked by a random line drive.

Snake-bit I'll go along  with.

It apparently was bothering him in the last start, but he probably just thought he wasn't feeling well.. I had appendicitis five years ago. I began feeling discomfort on Monday morning. It got steadily worse, but for the most part I thought I had an upset stomach, or maybe a bit of food poisoning. I was in a lot of pain  late that Monday evening, but it subsided somewhat the next day. I went to the doctor anyway in the morning, and I was in surgery six hours later.

There was no scalpel involved - ithe appendix was removed  with a scope, with speeds the recovery time considerably. But still, it's on the right side of the body which is bad news for a right-handed pitcher. Those muscles get  quite a workout. He's going to have to do spring training all over.

Tom Servo - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 06:40 PM EDT (#167870) #
Didn't we go over the "Doc is injury prone" foolishness when his history of standing on a pitcher's mound caused him to catch a line drive off his shin?

This appendicitis - assuming it IS appendicitis, and JP's not feeding us a line again - proves nothing other than 2004 is back for revenge.

Dave Till - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 06:46 PM EDT (#167872) #
This appears to be an alternative universe. In the real world, the Jays are half a game out of first place. I shall now go to sleep, and wake up knowing it was all a bad dream.

The only good thing about all of this: the Jays are now under no pressure at all to do anything other than show up and play nine innings when the schedule tells them they have to. No team, no matter how well constructed, can lose so many valuable players and expect to do well. (Unless they're the Yankees, and can just open their wallet and spend a hilliion dollars to bring Clemens back. I fervently hope that he gets stomped into a pulp in this, his 48th comeback.) Everybody's off the hook now, and can hopefully go and have some fun out there.

Dustin McGowan, this is your moment.

GregJP - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 06:49 PM EDT (#167875) #
I think those simulations that run a season 1000 times would now have the Jays making the playoffs ZERO times from this spot.

My bet last week (1 to12 odds) is starting to look like a mortal lock.

What is most annoying is that JP now gets a pass for this year based on all of the injuries.

Ron - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 06:50 PM EDT (#167876) #
I fail to see how apendicitus fits into this assumption?

When I made my post I knew people were going to challenge the label.  Apendicitus will keep Doc off the mound for the next 4-6 weeks. Like I said in my original post, he hasn't made every scheduled start in a season since 2003. Doc is my favorite player in baseball but he has trouble staying away from the medical room. This is a fact.

Doc is the most valuable player on the Jays roster, and all these starts missed due to medical reasons isn't a positive sign. The peak years of Halladay (on the mound performance and health status) are probably behind him rather than in front of him. It disturbs me to even type this because I have so much respect for him. He's nothing but a class act.

Magpie - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 06:52 PM EDT (#167877) #
They made the announcement at 5:59 tonight (no I can't type that fast - I had the piece written already, I was just waiting for the official announcement  before posting it.) IThe rumour had been flying around up here for at least 30 minutes, and I heard it right when I walked in the door. I rode up the elevator with Ken Fidlin of the Sun and someone later identified as an LA Dodgers scout, and the Dodgers scout dropped the bombshell - all the details, exactly as announced thirty minutes later. It occured to Fidlin to wonder if our legs were being pulled, and that didn't seem impossible to me as well..

Anyway... a Dodgers scout had this information well ahead of time. This interests me to no end...

AWeb - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 07:08 PM EDT (#167881) #
So who makes the first "hope they don't need to reconstruct his elbow while he's under" crack?

Oh, I guess it'll be me then.

Seriously though, this is terrible, and NOW who gets to start again? Towers, Zambrano, or one of the youngsters in the minors having a good start to the year? Yankees used all those starters earlier this year...well, we'll catch them soon.

ChicagoJaysFan - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 07:11 PM EDT (#167882) #

Dustin McGowan, this is your moment.

I'll go one more and say, AJ Burnett, this is your moment.  To contend in the near future, we need him as a 1A - if a 1A isn't someone that can step up when the 1 goes down, I don't know what is.  A lead-off K is a great start.
Matthew E - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 07:13 PM EDT (#167883) #
Anyway, this is still better than 2004, for these reasons:

1. The Jays were above .500 in April.
2. Some players are having good or okay years (so far).
3. Nobody's dead yet.

(And I'm not being insensitive with that last item. I'm being completely serious.)

Magpie - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 07:18 PM EDT (#167884) #
AJ Burnett, this is your moment.  To contend in the near future, we need him as a 1A

Well, you're a brave man.

I mean, people were all over me because I thought it  wasn't impossible that Josh Towers might be able to do something he'd actually done before. There is nothing, nothing, nothing whatsoever in Burnett's history that suggests he's a 1A. 
CaramonLS - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 07:20 PM EDT (#167885) #
I mean, people were all over me because I thought it  wasn't impossible that Josh Towers might be able to do something he'd actually done before. There is nothing, nothing, nothing whatsoever in Burnett's history that suggests he's a 1A.

Gil Meche has clearly unleashed the new found optimism for Burnett.
GregJP - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 07:21 PM EDT (#167886) #
Burnett just threw a hall of fame curve ball.  One that would have made Bert Blyleven proud.  Talk about a tease.  What a waste of talent.
Rickster - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 07:23 PM EDT (#167887) #
What are the odds Burnett ends up in the bullpen this season?
Pistol - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 07:25 PM EDT (#167888) #
He's an injury prone player

I could see how you could argue that getting hit by a line drive might be part of being injury prone (I think it's a bit of a stretch, but arguable), but appendicitis isn't an injury - it's a random illness.  That's just bad random luck.

Of course, if it's going to happen you might as well have it happen in a year that's looking like this one is going.

I'd put Janssen in the rotation, but I suspect they'll call up Taubeheim.  If they do call up a starter I think I'd go with Gonzalez.
Thomas - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 07:25 PM EDT (#167889) #

Well, a rotation of Burnett-Ohka-McGowan-Marcum-Janssen/Gonzalez/Towers/Tallet/Taubenheim justifies seven relievers, I'll give JP that much.

sduguid - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 07:26 PM EDT (#167890) #

When I made my post I knew people were going to challenge the label.  Apendicitus will keep Doc off the mound for the next 4-6 weeks. Like I said in my original post, he hasn't made every scheduled start in a season since 2003. Doc is my favorite player in baseball but he has trouble staying away from the medical room. This is a fact.

It is a fact that he has missed time but I would not label him as injury prone due to the fact that the injuries from the last two years have been freak incidents that were random bad luck.

 


AWeb - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 07:27 PM EDT (#167891) #
Well, with Glaus getting hurt (and the caught stealing...sigh), I've officially entered the gallows humour part of the season. Dark laughter beats despair.
ChicagoJaysFan - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 07:27 PM EDT (#167892) #
If they do call up a starter I think I'd go with Gonzalez.

I thought he was in Japan.
King Ryan - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 07:28 PM EDT (#167893) #
The other thing is that the injuries aren't really nearly as bad as in 2004.  Honestly, look at the lineup tonight:

Rios RF
Wells CF
Glaus 3B
Thomas DH
Hill 2B
Overbay 1B
Phillips C
Lind LF
McDonald SS

If you had shown me this lineup at the start of the season I wouldn't have thought much of it, really.

Magpie - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 07:28 PM EDT (#167894) #
Jason Smith to 3b. When we hear the announcement, I'll let you know.
CaramonLS - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 07:29 PM EDT (#167895) #
Gonzalez

Didn't he sign on with a Japanese team a few days ago?
VBF - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 07:33 PM EDT (#167897) #
Doc is my favorite player in baseball but he has trouble staying away from the medical room. This is a fact.

He's only injury prone if there's sufficient reason to believe that he won't be healthy next season. And there's absolutely no reason why he shouldn't be able to make 35 starts next season.

The Blue Jays are holding open tryouts tomorrow at the Rogers Centre. They're looking to fill a few entry level positions at third base, starting pitching, relief pitching, and catching.

This is getting bad enough that I hope it can continue and the perception of the Jays in Toronto is that they got screwed by the injury bug,
Ron - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 07:47 PM EDT (#167899) #
I could see how you could argue that getting hit by a line drive might be part of being injury prone (I think it's a bit of a stretch, but arguable), but appendicitis isn't an injury - it's a random illness.  That's just bad random luck.

Mench hitting Doc with a line drive was a fluke. Doc's latest injury is also a fluke. But I believe most injuries are flukes. Players rarely choose to miss time on purpose (I had a feeling Manny was doing this last season). Just like I'm sure Mark Prior and Kerry Wood wish they weren't injured.

It is a fact that he has missed time but I would not label him as injury prone due to the fact that the injuries from the last two years have been freak incidents that were random bad luck.

Look above. Don't forget Doc missed a start last April because of a strained right forearm. He left a game in the 2nd inning vs. the Angels on September 10th. He left in the 4th inning vs. the Yankees on September 20th because of the strained forearm. The Jays shut him down after this start. Are these freak incidents? Aren't 99% of injuries freak incidents/bad luck?

actionjackson - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 07:53 PM EDT (#167900) #
This is getting Monty Pythonish. I would bet Glaus is headed for the DL and that folks would make a round, even 10. Halladay, Chacin, Thomson, Zambrano, Ryan, League, D. Romero, Johnson, Zaun, and now mighty Troy. I can see that opening scene from "The Holy Grail"- "Bring out your dead, bring out your dead."  "I'm not dead yet. Oof, ugh, oww", or the scene later in the movie with the black knight (played by JP Ricciardi) screaming at his opponent to come back or he'll bite his legs off, and that his lack of limbs is a mere "flesh wound."
sduguid - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 07:53 PM EDT (#167901) #

Look above. Don't forget Doc missed a start last April because of a strained right forearm. He left a game in the 2nd inning vs. the Angels on September 10th. He left in the 4th inning vs. the Yankees on September 20th because of the strained forearm. The Jays shut him down after this start. Are these freak incidents? Aren't 99% of injuries freak incidents/bad luck?

I too worry a bit about his forearm/shoulder issues.

Clearly, nobody wants to get injured (for the most part) - I don't think anyone is suggsting that.  It's just a matter of what our definitions of injury prone are.  If Halladay missed major portions of 5 consecutive seasons due to being hit in the leg 5 years in a row, I wouldn't call him injury prone, just unlucky.  However, the bottom line is he is out again and that is not good!

 


timpinder - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#167903) #

I had just turned on the game while driving in my car with my wife when I heard that Halladay had surgery.  Like AWeb, I actually began laughing out loud.  My wife didn't understand why I found it funny.  Then Glaus got hurt.  All I could do was smirk and shake my head.

The Glaus injury may be a double-whammy.  Who else would a Dodger scout be there to see?  I wonder if the Jays may have just lost out on Andy Laroche or something too.

I wish this were a dream.  BUT, the one good thing about not being a bandwagon fan is that I can now enjoy watching the development of McGowan, Marcum, Janssen, Lind, and maybe later in the year Purcey, Litsch or Romero, even if the Jays are losing.

CSHunt68 - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 08:51 PM EDT (#167904) #

Thus endeth the season.

Uh ... again.

John Northey - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 10:24 PM EDT (#167905) #
Much like that 2nd Stieb near no-no (and his 3rd the next season with 2 out in the 9th) it just seems like things will never go right then eventually a miracle happens and Stieb gets his no-hitter just before his career falls apart. 

I was reading the headline here (wasn't watching the game tonight) and told my wife how bad it was losing the ace then while reading this I saw Glaus being hurt too.  At the end of April we still had lots of hope that once guys were healthy things would go well.  Then as things fell apart we hoped they'd get someone good for Glaus.  Now I think we just have to hope that the kids who get a shot do something with it.

Good things so far in 2007...
Accardo is doing very well and might be ready for that open closer role
Janssen is doing so well as the setup man (1.02 ERA now) that he might be stuck there for 2007
Halladay will get a chance to save some innings on that valuable arm of his for '08-10 (stretching it here)
Hill is a solid second baseman and should be here for awhile
Rios looks to be a solid RF'er with both the bat and glove, ie: last year wasn't a complete illusion
Wells & Overbay are signed long term
AJ is starting to show some hope but I just wish he'd find the strikezone more often
Lind is getting a real shot this year (not doing much with it yet, but he is getting a shot)
McGowan and Marcum are about to get a full shot too

The good thing is we'll get to see if there is anything here before '08 hits.  Bad thing is we wanted it all now.  Good thing is the Jays are still (imo) a better team to watch and provide more value and hope than those Leafs have in my entire lifetime (born in '69 so that is saying something) and the tickets are still less than $100 each.

Ron - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 10:27 PM EDT (#167906) #
Godfrey just said Glaus will likely head to the DL with a foot problem. The pre-lim he says is 2-3 weeks.
timpinder - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 10:39 PM EDT (#167907) #

With a 5-1 lead, I really thought they'd have stretched Janssen out a bit to get him ready to start.  I was surprised to see Accardo come in.  I guess Janssen will be in the bullpen for a while, though not because of Rance's reasoning, which was that Janssen only had two pitches and was more suited to relieving.  Huh? 

Anyway, my guess now is Taubenheim, not because he's performed better than Banks, but because he's been here before.  We'll see.

ayjackson - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 10:49 PM EDT (#167908) #

Who will they bring up for Glaus?  Likely Ryan Roberts, but other possibilities are Russ Adams, John Hattig and Rey Olmedo.  Olmedo and Hattig aren't currently on the 40-man roster.  It's too bad, but I was looking forward to the impending release of Jason Smith, then Glaus goes down (and Smith gets a hit/rbi to boot).

As for a pitcher, I wouldn't be surprised to see Banks - they know what they have in Taubenheim, they might want a peek at Banks.  Regardless, I would think that Jesse Litsch or David Purcey should be getting the call from Syracuse soon.

VBF - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 10:50 PM EDT (#167909) #
The Glaus injury may be a double-whammy.  Who else would a Dodger scout be there to see?  I wonder if the Jays may have just lost out on Andy Laroche or something too.

There are so many scouts around every game, it's nothing really.  They could be after anyone on either team or possible free agents or the fact that the Jays take on the Dodgers in June, to scout good hotels, meet with some other scouts to talk about issues surrounding scouts, checking out the temperature of Lake Ontario, really anything and everything.

I shared an elevator with about six Braves scouts last summer. What a life!
VBF - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 10:54 PM EDT (#167910) #
Mench hitting Doc with a line drive was a fluke. Doc's latest injury is also a fluke. But I believe most injuries are flukes. Players rarely choose to miss time on purpose (I had a feeling Manny was doing this last season). Just like I'm sure Mark Prior and Kerry Wood wish they weren't injured.

I've always been under the impression that someone is injury prone if the injury they suffered in the past has a decent chance of coming back and creating other injury byproducts of older injuries.

If Burnett blew out his elbow tonight that would not be anything like Halladay's appendix deciding to burst. In AJ's case there was a pre-existing reason to believe the event would happen. That's what I think injury prone means, anyways.
Mylegacy - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 11:04 PM EDT (#167911) #

Two things; Firstly, there are 2500 catalogued gods, none of which I believe in...nonetheless I'm personally thanking all of them that it wasn't Roy arm or shoulder. Secondly, is there any chance we can get the Commish to grant us; "that the 2007 season is the Blue Jay's official Mulligan"?

OK, now we're 3 games out of second, lets get there - lets ENJOY watching the youngsters pitch - lets get behind them and share the joy of their opportunity. Lets play ball!

Matthew E - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 11:25 PM EDT (#167913) #
I posted this in the game chat but I'll say it again here:

All these injuries and other problems will just make the Blue Jays' triumphant late-season charge that much sweeter.

GregJP - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 11:27 PM EDT (#167914) #
I agree totally.  I'm stoked about watching McGowan pitch every 5th day and Accardo maybe develop into a decent closer.

The only thing I don't really agree with at the moment is Janssen's role.  He's pitching in extremely good luck at the moment (8th inning tonight) and I just fear that the margin of ever is too small in an 8th inning role.

I think his bulldog mentality/average stuff is more suited to being a 4th/5th starter or long reliever.  I still think that Frasor will settle into the setup role once he doesn't have the whole closing thing over his head.

I could see Downs/Frasor/Accardo or Frasor/Downs/Accardo being a very good late inning combination.

Taubenheim is not the answer much like Ohka, Zambrano, Thomson, and Towers are not the answer.  I know Purcey is only in AA but he has the best pure stuff of any of the guys in the minors and he's not a kid so roll the dice and give him a shot if Janssen stays in the pen.



PeterG - Friday, May 11 2007 @ 11:45 PM EDT (#167915) #
I will be very surprised if Tuesday's starter is not Josh Banks. From my point of view, none of the other mentioned choices makes much sense. Banks has been pitching well. He is likely confident and has spent significant time in AAA. Time to see what he's got.
Mylegacy - Saturday, May 12 2007 @ 12:12 AM EDT (#167916) #

I would love to see Josh Banks. However, I fear for his fly ball history.

Purcey is ready age wise, possibly even stuff and maturity wise, but let him succeed at AAA before we throw him into the AL East fray.

Dave Rutt - Saturday, May 12 2007 @ 12:20 AM EDT (#167917) #
Aren't 99% of injuries freak incidents/bad luck?

No. As far as pitchers go, I'd guess at least half, if not more, are recurring injuries mostly attributable to issues with mechanics/workout regimen.
Dave Rutt - Saturday, May 12 2007 @ 12:46 AM EDT (#167918) #
I had appendicidis when I was about 8. I felt some pain in the lower abdomen and groin, but I thought it was just cramps. The event that prompted us to go to the doctor was when I finished close to last in a cross country race. It can definitely affect performance without you really realizing it :)
HippyGilmore - Saturday, May 12 2007 @ 02:05 AM EDT (#167920) #

"Honestly, you feel bad for [Halladay] having to go through that, but you almost laugh like, 'Is this really happening?'" Vernon Wells said. "And then Troy during the game. Nothing surprises me anymore. So, you just have to take the shots and everyone has to step up and do their part."

My thoughts exactly. And it's nice to hear Vernon crack a joke at a time like this. The best tonic for our current situation is a loose clubhouse that is just having fun. If we can worry less about catching the Yankees and Red Sox and worry more about developing the kids and the clubhouse atmosphere, this can still be a good season. And hopefully, the worst is finally over.

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