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Mark Buehrle restores his confidence and Felix Hernandez tweaks his elbow...


Buehrle didn't have a bad year in 2006 so much as one incredibly bad month (July) when he went 0-5, 11.48. Otherwise he was much the same guy as always, even with his shaky September...

After not allowing a run in his first two starts, King Felix gave up two walks and two hits to the first five batters before coming out of the game with "tightness in his elbow." Nobody knows anything.

The Phloundering Phillies gave the ball to former Blue Jay Francisco Rosario in the 13th inning of their game with Washington, and three batters later they had their 10th loss of the season. If this team doesn't win 10 of their next 12, Charlie Manuel will be the first man overboard. Freddy Garcia and Jon Lieber are back in the rotation, so the Phils are putting Brett Myers into the bullpen...

Yes, this is what Desperation smells like...

And this is what Domination looks like. Alex Rodriguez has hit as many home runs as the New York Mets (starring the Carlos brothers Beltran and Delgado) and the Chicago Cubs. Rodriguez has hit more home runs than the Angels, Twins, Dodgers, Nationals, Cardinals, Giants, Rockies, and A's. The Yankees lead the majors in runs scored - no big surprise there - but they also have the third best ERA in the American League. Andy Pettitte, the only standing starter, has put up two good games in succession; the real heroes have been the anonymous bullpen guys - Mike Myers, Sean Henn, Luis Vizcaino, and Brian Bruney have combined to post an ERA of 0.84 over 32.1 innings.

(Mick permits himself a quiet smile of contentment. It's early days yet, but...)

The Old Order changeth not! The Braves have the best record in the majors... Don't say we didn't warn you. The Braves are tied for the major league lead in home runs (Andruw Jones has 3, although he's still hitting just .180). Chipper Jones and the Great Brian McCann (Joe Mauer without the press clippings) are leading the way. And Jeff Francoeur... he's hitting .255, so his On-Base should probably be about... oh, .255? Nope, he's at .339. You see, after drawing Zero walks in the Braves' first seven games, Frenchy has walked six times in their last six games. Last year, Francoeur drew his sixth walk of the season on June 21 (he had no walks at all last April). If he's beginning to get the hang of this whole Strike Zone concept...

Game this afternoon. Doc vs Tavarez, winner takes first place into the weekend.

Got to play it, might as well win it.







19 April 2007: This and That | 54 comments | Create New Account
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AWeb - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 09:57 AM EDT (#166150) #
To anyone who knows a Mariners fan, you may want to give them call this morning and talk them off the ledge. Judging from the reactions on USSMariner, it may already be too late though.


Mike Green - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 10:08 AM EDT (#166151) #
Old man Pythagoras suggests that the Yankees and Red Sox are going to be better in the AL, and that the Mets, Phillies and Cubs will do better than they have been doing in the NL (while the Braves will need to work some magic to keep this up). 

As for the home nine, the link does contain an interesting run prevention snapshot.  The team FIP of 4.44 is significantly above league average, while the team ERA of 3.77 is significantly below.  The team has surrendered an above average number of line drives.  So, who is doing it on D?  It looks like it's mostly the outfield so far, notwithstanding the adventures of Matt Stairs. 

Oh, and while it might seem as though the club is punchless the last few days, they do have the league leading slugging percentage, notwithstanding A-Rod's awesome early display of power.

Chuck - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 11:01 AM EDT (#166159) #

After not allowing a run in his first two starts, King Felix gave up two walks and two hits to the first five batters before coming out of the game with "tightness in his elbow." Nobody knows anything.

Weren't we recently discussing the hows and whens for Hargrove breaking Felix? It appears that things are ahead of schedule here.

You see, after drawing Zero walks in the Braves' first seven games, Frenchy has walked six times in their last six games. Last year, Francoeur drew his sixth walk of the season on June 21 (he had no walks at all last April). If he's beginning to get the hang of this whole Strike Zone concept...

I was at a spring training game this year with Atlanta hosting Toronto (well, Toronto's B squad, anyway -- six of the starting nine were not even in the city). When Francoeur stepped up for his first AB against Josh Towers, I, assuming the role of baseball maven, proceeded to pontificate to both my son and a random Georgian sitting next to me how Francoeur would almost certainly not take a single pitch in the entire AB, that he had led the league in percentage of pitches swung at in 2006. Francoeur then immediately proved that something had changed (and that I, indeed, had zero credibility). He took the first 4 pitches, swung at pitch #5, and then struck out looking at pitch #6.

Some players, but not many, take serious strides in improving their strike zone judgement. Most who improve make modest gains, ultimately proving incapable of changing their true colours. Francoeur does not have to make a full fledged Sosian metamorphisis to become a highly valuable talent. 50-60 walks would be a nice start.

Alex Rodriguez has hit as many home runs as the New York Mets

It's likely the cold weather has a great deal to do with this, but there seems to be a league-wide power shortage, save for a few exceptions like ARod and his noted fellow Ruthian infielders, Rollins and Kinsler. Oh, and Josh Hamilton, who had, what, about a 3% chance of doing anything useful this year? 

BOS: Ramirez 0
TEX: Teixeira 0
DET: Sheffield 1
OAK: Piazza 1
TOR: Thomas 1
NYM: Delgado 0, Wright 0
PHI: Howard 1, Burrell 1
STL: Edmonds 0, Rolen 1
CHC: Soriano 0, Lee 0, Ramirez 1

And, on the heels of acknowledging this list of very expensive under- achievers, a shout out goes to the O-Dog, who is temporarily (presumably) holding fort in the D-Back 3-hole with his 387/440/565 line.

Mick Doherty - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 11:08 AM EDT (#166161) #

(Mick permits himself a quiet smile of contentment. It's early days yet, but...)

The old magic trio of Rivera/Nelson/Stanton gots NUFFIN' on dese guyz!

Jordan - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 11:17 AM EDT (#166163) #
Watching Papelbon last night, I've concluded that an excellent strategy for the Blue Jays going forward  is "never trail the Red Sox after eight innings." This must be a little like watching Goose Gossage in his prime. Wow.
Chuck - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 11:18 AM EDT (#166165) #
<P>Torre,&nbsp;to Proctor/Vizcaino/Bruney/Henn: </P>
<P>"Boys, our starters are hurting. I'm going to need innings from you fellows. I want to limit Mariano to about 65 innings and Farnsworth has that stupid thing in his contract about not&nbsp;pitching on consecutive days. So I'm going to really count on you four. Let me ask you this. Have any of you heard of Mike Marshall? No, not the outfielder."</P>
<P>And what of poor Mike Myers, being asked to contribute at a pace that <EM>clearly</EM> exceeds his traditional 30 innings a season? The man's only human.</P>
Magpie - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 11:31 AM EDT (#166171) #
Francoeur does not have to make a full fledged Sosian metamorphisis to become a highly valuable talent. 50-60 walks would be a nice start.

And even beyond the value of the walks themselves (and getting on base an extra 30 or 40 times a season is nothing to sneeze at) - if pitchers come to the conclusion that it's no longer viable to just throw anything, that you actually have to come in and throw a strike or two to the guy...
Pistol - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 11:32 AM EDT (#166172) #
A week or two ago the Sox played the Rangers on Sunday night and Papelbon came in in the 8th and just blew away Young and Teixeira.  They didn't have a chance.  It's pretty impressive.



Ryan Day - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 11:52 AM EDT (#166175) #

The Jays did manage to give Papelbon one of his two losses last year, and actually hit .306 against him. (Though they didn't walk and slugged only .361)

Mind you, he did manage to save the other five games he pitched against Toronto, so that "don't trail" thing is probably a good strategy anyway.

 

China fan - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 12:52 PM EDT (#166179) #
     Is anyone using MLB Gameday to follow the Jays this year on the Internet?  If so, are you finding it incredibly slow?   I am finding it highly frustrating to use.  It seems to take 5 or 10 minutes to update, and then it updates in fits and starts, so that a burst of information is released after a long delay.   It has many more bells and whistles this year -- the speed of the pitch, the break of the pitch, etc -- which is all very nice, but I wish it would actually follow the action, instead of updating 5 or 10 minutes after the action.   Any ideas what's going on with the thing?
Excalabur - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 01:05 PM EDT (#166180) #
Those bells and whistles take a lot of juice.  I've been following games on the AM plus gameday, and gameday is usually about a pitch or two behind, which seems reasonable. 

In the top right there's an 'options' button.  Flip off the bells and whistles and it should run a lot smoother on a slow connection (or computer).

Maldoff - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 02:05 PM EDT (#166183) #
Not to be an alarmist, but what has happened to our supposedly powerful offense? Over the last few games, it has looked absolutely dreadful.
Mike Green - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 02:16 PM EDT (#166184) #
"Our supposedly powerful offence" was just waiting for your words of encouragement.  Good timing.
6-4-3 - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 02:20 PM EDT (#166185) #
You can still use the classic gameday if you want.  Rob McMillin has been providing links to the day's classic gameday windows at 6-4-2.blogspot.com .  They update at exactly the same pace as the enhanced gameday, but the interface is arguably better, and there's no ads. 
paulf - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 02:38 PM EDT (#166186) #
With regards to the new Gameday, I found changing to 2D batter information, and "Less" animation helps. Check the options in the top-right corner. That said, it's still a slug that uses an ungodly amount of memory.
John Northey - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 02:51 PM EDT (#166187) #
Argh! Will someone tell the manager that you can let Downs face more than one batter at a time? There is no rule that you have to use 3+ pitchers per game too.
Ryan Day - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 03:00 PM EDT (#166188) #

The use of Downs has been the one major criticism I have about Gibbons.  Seriously: Strike out Ortiz. Intentionally wak Manny. Strike out Drew.

Everything I've seen from Scott Downs over the past couple years says he can do this.  Aarrgh.

Ryan Day - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 03:14 PM EDT (#166189) #

... and even though you'll let him face Manny Ramirez, Marcum isn't allowed to pitch to Alex Cora?

 What was that someone said about the more pitchers you use, the better the chance of finding someone who's having a bad day...?

 

Mike D - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 03:22 PM EDT (#166190) #

It's so frustrating.  Not that they did so deliberately, but Boston has exploited each and every Toronto injury in this series, repeatedly. 

Mike D - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 03:34 PM EDT (#166192) #

It's a good thing that April games don't count as much in the standings at the end of the year, so management has no need to address the glaring holes in the outfield, third base and the bullpen.

Oh, wait.

GregJP - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 03:38 PM EDT (#166193) #
SS isn't a glaring hole?

Wasn't able to watch the game. 

Why was Doc taken out?
Why would Marcum pitch to Manny if Frasor was available?


Four Seamer - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 03:43 PM EDT (#166194) #

It's a good thing that April games don't count as much in the standings at the end of the year, so management has no need to address the glaring holes in the outfield, third base and the bullpen.

It's too bad we can't put the general manager and the manager on the DL.  Maybe a little rest would cure these brain cramps.

ScottTS - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 03:46 PM EDT (#166195) #
Why was Doc taken out?

So that Downs could pitch to Ortiz with a runner on first (Downs then proceeded to balk the runner to second). Downs struck out Ortiz, and was then replaced by Marcum, who served up a fat 2-0 pitch to Manny, which he clobbered. Frasor looked pretty awful today. A triple to deep center from Alex Cora???? Ick.

Mike Green - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 03:52 PM EDT (#166196) #
Whoa.  The bullpen has been pretty good since Ryan went on the DL.  As between Marcum and Frasor to face Manny, I'd rather have Marcum, but the problem is that they had no one to face Drew if Manny walked.

There is nothing wrong with having one lefty in the pen, but if you do, you just can't use him as a LOOGY without wearing out everyone else.  It all starts with Downs' use yesterday.

Ryan Day - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 03:56 PM EDT (#166197) #

Third base is obviously weak, but Glaus is out for two weeks - what do you want to do? Jason Smith has been playing very well, and Ryan Roberts should be able to contribute. Adam Lind is a perfectly good replacement - possibly improvement? - for Reed Johnson, though I will concede that "fourth outfielder" is now a glaring hole.

And while losing B.J. obviously weakens the pen, the Jays didn't lose today because they don't have their closer - they lost because the manager isn't very good at getting the most out of his relievers.

Taking Halladay out is perfectly understandable - he was getting up to 100 pitches and facing the heart of the order. Bringing in Downs to face Ortiz is fine, too, because if you're going to treat him like a LOOGY, you bring him in to face David Ortiz in a close game.

  It's everything after that that went horribly, horribly wrong.

Four Seamer - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 04:31 PM EDT (#166199) #

Presumably Glaus is only out for two weeks, although one never knows, and even if he does come back next week, his injury history combined with the fact that he can't  occasionally be partially rested with a spell at DH make it a strong possibility that he will miss more time later this year.   Shortstop is a problem that isn't going to fix itself any time soon.  The bullpen has enough talent to be reasonably effective, but the man pulling the strings is prettly clearly in over his head when it comes to bullpen management, especially when he has to mix and match.  That Matt Stairs is being described as an outfielder, let alone the fourth outfielder, is about as egregious a display of wishful thinking as can be imagined.

The common denominator here is management's inability or refusal to properly stock the bench this offseason.  The only injury the Jays were built to withstand was the Johnson injury - every other knock they've picked up this year - as well as those yet to come - has been and will be magnified by the negligent manner in which management constructed the roster beyond the starting nine.  It's especially frustrating because the Jays are no longer operating on a shoestring budget, and can afford to commit themselves to a complete 25 man roster.   

All of this has been forcefully and more eloquently asserted by others, in particular robertdudek.  But I put forward my version of the argument since I think it inappropriate to leave my earlier snide remark to speak for itself.   

Gitz - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 04:35 PM EDT (#166200) #
Watching Papelbon last night, I've concluded that an excellent strategy for the Blue Jays going forward  is "never trail the Red Sox after eight innings." This must be a little like watching Goose Gossage in his prime. Wow.

I agree, Jordan. I am sure you saw the high-light when Papelbon struck out Vlad Guerrero last weekend. The expression "exploding fastball" is over-used, but in the case of Papelbon, it's spot on. Here's to him staying healthy. He's great fun to watch.
Gitz - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 04:40 PM EDT (#166201) #
Could it be? I disagree with Mike D.? Indeed I do, indeed I do.

The Jays don't need bullpen help. Every team suffers blown saves, even the Yankees. Or do I have to haul out Marco Scutaro -- Marco Scutaro! -- as my straw horse? From my perch here in Seattle, the Jays would seem to need a SS and one more starting pitcher. Oh, playing in the AL West wouldn't hurt, either.

Chuck - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 04:44 PM EDT (#166203) #

Jason Smith has been playing very well, and Ryan Roberts should be able to contribute.

I don't know that Roberts will be asked to contribute. Jason Smith has faced a LH reliever in two of the last three games.

Gitz - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 04:46 PM EDT (#166204) #
Speaking of blown leads ... A-Rod just hit a three-run bomb, capping a SIX-run ninth inning for the Yankees against the Indians.
ScottTS - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 04:53 PM EDT (#166205) #
A-Rod just hit a three-run bomb, capping a SIX-run ninth

Why anyone is pitching to him at this point with runners on is beyond me.

Mike D - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 05:10 PM EDT (#166206) #

I can't go on disagreeing with the likes of Gitz and Mike Green, that's for sure.  The bullpen does indeed have good arms, even though they have squandered three sure-thing no-doubt victories in the first 15 games of the season.  Instead of 8-7, the Jays should be 11-4, or 10-5 at worst (if you think BJ's save opportunity against the heart of the Tigers' order was a tough one, which is arguable).

That's really what frustrates me -- this is a good team.  They're 8-7 despite blowing three in-the-bag wins and despite not really playing all that well except for Hill, Halladay and Chacin.  This good team might not seriously contend this year, however, if JP et al. throw their hands up and play Nearest Available Scrub for weeks on end when somebody gets injured.  I really hated the 2004 season not because I blamed anybody for the rash of injuries, but because we got a steady diet of Dave Berg and Chris Gomez and a stream of JP quotes like "What do you want from us?  We're injured!"  Those quotes are back, and I as a fan am not satisfied with them.

So yes, there are excuses for this team to lose over the next several weeks.  Perfectly acceptable ones.  And, as Gitz points out, we're in the AL East -- another excellent excuse.  If we could convert excuses into wins, we'd be '98 Yankees.

If, on the other hand, competing this season is something the club is taking seriously, then I really believe a young pitcher or two have to be moved, and moved very soon, for a major-league-quality hitter (basically anywhere on the diamond except 1B, because Overbay is locked in there and Thomas can only DH).  Waiting on good players to hopefully get healthy soon and playing bad players in the interim is not a winning blueprint.  Even if those bad players have overachieved at the plate so far. 

What other way is there to avoid having 2-3 bad hitters in the lineup?  There is no help in the high minors or the discard pile better than what's on hand. 

Again, my point is not to say the sky is falling in the sense that I think the team will lose 100 games.  They can absorb a few more injuries and still be more or less average, because they still have some high-end players on hand.  But if they want to give this good team a chance to compete this year -- which I thought was the plan -- then they need position-player help, and pronto.  Excuses won't help, even if they're really, really good ones.

Chuck - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 05:16 PM EDT (#166207) #

Why anyone is pitching to him at this point with runners on is beyond me.

The situation was Cleveland winning 8-5, 9th inning, two out, two on, Rodriguez up. Intentionally walking ARod would have loaded the bases for Giambi, who could have tied the score with a simple walk.

The real question is why was Borowski allowed to stay in? I didn't see the game, but just looking at the boxscore, he had allowed 5 of the 7 men he faced to reach base, including having yielded a homerun to Phelps.

ScottTS - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 05:39 PM EDT (#166208) #
Intentionally walking ARod would have loaded the bases for Giambi, who could have tied the score with a simple walk.

Yes, I know. Plus it puts the winning run on 2nd, so a base hit wins it. Lousy situation all around.

Still, given the way A-rod is hitting, I might be inclined to take my chances with Giambi.

Hodgie - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 05:42 PM EDT (#166209) #

"Taking Halladay out is perfectly understandable - he was getting up to 100 pitches and facing the heart of the order."

I am going to preface the following comments with the fact that I believe the bullpen has done a commendable job to this point.

Howerver, is pulling Halladay really understandable? In my estimation, 95 pitches is a lot in the 5th inning, not the 8th. The fact that the heart of the order was due up would provide a perfectly valid reason at that point if the pitcher was named Ohka - obviously in that situation you would want your best available pitcher to face that part of the order. If said best pitcher was a groundball inducing machine, all the better with one out and a man on first. Oh wait, unfortunately for us, he was already on the mound and Gibbons pulled him!

As I see it, Gibbons had two options:

1. Put the inning in Doc's hands and let him decide the outcome (prefered)

2. If he was too fatigued, then allow Scott "Don't call me LOOGY" Downs the same opportunity

In this case, it was two strikes and yer out!

Barry Bonnell - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 06:10 PM EDT (#166210) #
Taking out Halladay was in no way justified. The fact that the heart of the order was coming up is a reason to leave him in. He had thrown 95 pitches w/o breaking a sweat. He is one of the best right handed pitchers in the game. Why take him out and end up with a Marcum/Manny match up. Gibbons pissed me the f*ck off today.
Fawaz - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 06:34 PM EDT (#166211) #
Pulling Halladay was the right decision in my opinion (at the very least, it's defensible), especially when one considers just how much Ortiz owns him.

Using Downs for just one hitter makes for a hell of a 'you be the manager' thread. Personally, I have an irrational fear of Manny Ramirez and called my buddy at Ted's Place to tell him to head to Windows to get ready to catch a ball as soon as Gibbons came out to get Downs. I wanted to see Downs walk him and go after Drew. On the other hand, I can't really fault Gibbons for going after a 'struggling' hitter as the tying run rather than a hot hitter as the go-ahead run (though I would have preferred to have seen Frasor - which wouldn't have worked out today either - I'm just not sold on Marcum in high leverage situations). On yet another hand, Ramirez has hit some balls hard in this series already and has looked pretty locked in to me.

Count me among those who hate seeing Downs used as a LOOGY, but then again I'm not a fan of a bullpen featuring four long men. That's inviting a manager to use them inappropriately. I really hate the idea of BB gun Zambrano in relief.

jeff mcl - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 06:45 PM EDT (#166212) #
I think it's probably time to give Accardo some innings and soonish rather than later.   I don't want to be a doubting Thomas, but perhaps we've put too much stock into positive springs and the first 6-8 IP of the season for Janssen and Marcum, leading to unrealistic expectations of  them both excelling in high pressure late inning situations.   I'm not down on either, but I think the 5 or so IP you're going to get from each per week would probably be more useful out of the 5th spot in the rotation than in the setup man slot.  Ya, that means bumping Ohka for a younger man, but that's a move that's almost inevitably going to happen sometime before mid-season anyway.


clark - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 07:14 PM EDT (#166213) #

Personally, I was shocked to see Gibbons come out to get Halladay.  If that guy is under 100 pitches and going great it is very surprising to see him pulled.  That said, at least I can see what he was thinking.  Downs did get Ortiz and more times than not, Marcum will get Manny.

What really drove me crazy was to see Marcum come out for the next inning.  He came into the game, gave up a homer, a walk, and a sharp line drive for an out.  Clearly he was fooling nobody and sending him out again resulted in a leadoff walk.  For me that is the point where Gibbons sealed the loss today.

My whole evening will have a different feel because of this game.  Sad, but true.

On another note, lets hope the Raps crush Vince and the Nets.

 

Ron - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 07:31 PM EDT (#166214) #
So this is how Red Sox fans celebrate a victory............

http://taoofstieb.blogspot.com/index.html

I would be pissed if somebody threw a beer at me. Personally I would rather take a slice of pizza.


Dr. Zarco - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 07:51 PM EDT (#166216) #
For those who were clamoring for a walk to ARod, you're right. Borowski's first pitch was a wild pitch to ARod, moving the runnings up to 2nd/3rd and leaving 1st open. Eric Wedge should be destroyed by Cleveland media for pitching to ARod, because 1st was open and that run means nothing anyway. It's darn tough to have a single incident be a firable offense, but that's up there in terms of idiocy. Brutal finish.

It all got started by a Josh Phelps HR too. I'm very sorry that in fantasy I won a hotly contested waiver-order pickup of Borowski.
Mylegacy - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 07:51 PM EDT (#166217) #

Being damn near prehistoric...I remember when the Jay's were gods back in the late 80's early 90's. We had 11 winning seasons in a row and were a threat every series, every year. EVEN then...we used to lose games we shouldn't have. EVERY tream loses games they shouldn't.

So far, to me, we're missing Sparky leading off. Rios, before today hadn't been on base since Monday. Sparky, had that every at bat counts, I gotta get on base mentality. I'm actually quite glad we're missing him, because Lind is such a good hitter, I didn't think we were going to miss him. Sparky was good enough that he DESERVES to be missed.

We've missed Glaus' bat, but Smith and JohnnyMac's defense has been a joy to watch.

VBF - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 08:03 PM EDT (#166219) #

I would be pissed if somebody threw a beer at me. Personally I would rather take a slice of pizza.

Too bad the video missed the part where security takes the Sox fan under the stands and beats him senseless.

If only.


Joanna - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 08:44 PM EDT (#166220) #

I blame all of this on Jamie Campbell.  He talked a lot about Manny's "slump" and his "slow start" and I had a really ominous feeling.  I kept thinking Manny slumps have very real expiration dates, especially in the Rogers Centre. And he had a quizzical look in his eye. Nothing like a thigh high ball over the plate to bust a slump. 

 

Dr. Zarco - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 08:53 PM EDT (#166221) #
Speaking of ominous feelings, I had one all morning about this game. I told a few buddies at work that this was the pitching mismatch of the year, but the Jays would somehow lose. I'm quite annoyed I was right.

Speaking of pizza throwing and crazy Sox fans, anyone watch Tuesday night's broadcast on NESN? On a foul ball in, I believe the 8th, a little skirmish erupted between a Sox fan and a Jays fan. The camera showed the Sox fan clearly say "F-you," so I figured NESN would be smart to stay away from going back to that on live TV.

Of course not, they went back 10 seconds later to catch the Sox fan, being taken away by security while still blatantly yelling F-yous, flip the guy a double bird.

The funniest part about it was Don and Jerry's reaction:
Jerry-"Woh!"
Don-"NICE!!"
stunned silence for about 5 seconds...
Don-"He was just trying to help out with the pitch calling, he wanted a fastball outside."
Jerry-"Yeah, two fasballs."

They went on trying to make light of it for another minute or so, it was hilarious.
actionjackson - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 09:10 PM EDT (#166222) #
Before we lynch Gibby, let's look at one salient point. The "vaunted" Blue Jay offense scored six runs against the best team in the AL (IMHO). To be fair they should've been swept. That they came four outs from a series win is a minor miracle. So, the offense is missing Glaus and Johnson: boo hoo! They still have Rios, Lind, Wells, Thomas, Overbay, Hill and Zaun. Most teams would kill for that kind of firepower or at least cower in the face of it as Admiral Akbar did in the face of an unexpectedly operational Death Star ("We can't repel that kind of firepower."). They should still be scoring 4.5-5 runs a game. 750-800 runs or so in a season instead of 850-900.

The only moves Gibby made that I would question centre around Marcum and Downs. I echo the sentiments of several fellow Bauxites and would've liked to see Downs go right after Manny. Screw the intentional walk that some fans would call for because that puts the tying run on for a very dangerous hitter in Drew. Although, I must give Gibby this. Marcum had not pitched since a very impressive outing on Sunday and you've got to keep throwing these guys into the fire to separate the men from the boys and figure out who's going to fit where. Remember, with Ryan down the bullpen is kind of back in Spring Training, trying to sort out the various roles. I like Janssen more as the 6th or 7th inning guy, due to his low strikeout totals. Marcum, Accardo, and Frasor have earned auditions for the closer/set-up roles, but it will take some figuring out and Downs should be a set-up man too, though at the moment Gibby has him stuck in LOOGY hell.

One Gibby move that I'm 100% clear about is the removal of Halladay. I'm sure going into the 8th he was told that if Ortiz came up with 2 out and nobody on, Doc could have him. In fact after the Crisp bunt single, he gave Doc one more shot to get to that situation by inducing a double play. He popped him up instead and that was it for Doc. That's fair to me. Doc couldn't get both of the first two hitters out, so it was time to go to a bullpen that other than B.J. Ryan had been pretty much flawless. I also would've liked to see Frasor start the ninth, but the bottom line is, Gibby made the moves and the pitchers hung him out to dry by not throwing strikes. This one's on the offense and the bullpen if you ask me. It's one thing to go to one pitcher and stay with that pitcher when it's clear he doesn't have it. It's another thing when every pitcher that comes in is throwing kerosene on the fire. What's he supposed to do? Throw the pitches for them? Jump into the box and have a go at the Red Sox dead-ball era like pitching staff?

Leigh - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 09:57 PM EDT (#166223) #
Mike D. is so correct about this that anything I would normally add to this thread would be redundant.
Mike Green - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 10:54 PM EDT (#166226) #
It is easy to be aggravated after a game like this, and comments from management implying powerlessness do not help.  But, a little perspective is in order.  The club has no business being 11-4 or 10-5.  They've won their share of 1 run games and are right where they ought to be given their runs scored and allowed. 

My wish list is a shortstop and a backup outfielder.  They're just going to have wait for Glaus to heal, and hope that he stays healthy.   Right now, Callaspo might be available.  He was playing rightfield until Carlos Quentin returned and now does not have a regular gig.  The D'Backs do need pitching help.

actionjackson - Thursday, April 19 2007 @ 11:38 PM EDT (#166229) #
I'm with you Mike Green, but I fear what the comeback from the huddled masses will be. Pythag be damned, didn't they give up 11 of those runs over the course of the last ten outs of those 3 %#$&'n games?

Dear Mr. Ricciardi, I'm still waiting on the SS I asked for for Christmas, and while you're at it would you mind throwing in a legit #4 OF?

                                                            Thankyou,
                                                                                   action

Thomas - Friday, April 20 2007 @ 12:34 AM EDT (#166230) #
The club does need a backup outfielder. And they need Matt Stairs. This is true especially when Glaus is hurt, but it's also true just when we're starting Clayton at SS regularly. This club needs a good left-handed pinch-hitter and Stairs is it.

What they don't need is a 7th reliever.

Pitches thrown since April 10 (i.e. over last 9 games)
Accardo: 32
Zambrano: 36
Ryan/Vermilyea: 46
Downs: 39
Janssen: 63
Frasor: 58
Marcum: 50

I'm not going to bother breaking down the game logs, because I think its self-evident that the back-end of the bullpen (Accardo, Zambrano and Vermilyea right now) could lose a reliever without harm done. Yes, the Jays have a suspect 3-4-5 and, yes, they have a lot of arms out there. However, there's no logical reason that, particularly given the fact that several of these pitchers are ex-starters as recently as last year, the last couple of men couldn't stretch themselves out more, if necessary. The Jays need to start viewing a 7 man bullpen as something to go with temporarily if they've had a particularly bad stretch, rather than a consistent roster construction.

The only other defence of a 7-man bullpen is to carry two LOOGYs, as that allows you to go Downs-Marcum-Tallet, for example, to Ortiz-Ramirez-Drew. I don't think that's the best course of action, but carrying two left-handed relievers would be a scenario where I could see the argument for 7 men in the pen. However, preferable to that is to carry a true backup outfielder, so Stairs could go back to doing what he was signed to do: hit for Clayton, start occasionally at DH and very occasionaly in the outfield.
VBF - Friday, April 20 2007 @ 01:21 AM EDT (#166231) #
Are the Red Sox that attached to Eric Hinske?

This seems like such a logical deal. We pick up the rest of his contract (added to the portion we're already paying), maybe throw in a D prospect if we must, and we've got our backup third baseman and our legitimate fourth outfielder. We also have a nice lefty bat off the bench if he's not starting. It just makes too much sense. I've got to imagine the Sox value Hinske's versatility, despite not giving him a significant amount of playing time.

Funny. A year and four months ago, we had 5 possible third basemen on the team. (Hill, Glaus, Hinske, Hillenbrand, Koskie).

Ryan Day - Friday, April 20 2007 @ 10:14 AM EDT (#166236) #

I would have been okay with leaving Halladay in, but taking him out wasn't the problem - Scott Downs did exactly what he was supposed to. And he could have done it again to J.D. Drew, and the Jays would have been out of the inning with the lead.

So far this season, Downs is averaging less than half an inning per game - of his 8 appearances, 6 of them have been for one batter only. He is actually working less than Dan Plesac, Jesse Orosco, or Scott Schoenweiss. This is a guy who's pitched 77, 94, and 63 innings over the past three years, and who last year held right-handed hitters to a perfectly respectable 258/333/429.

Modern bullpen usage is a killer sometimes. To further the point: Once you've made the (ill-advised) decision to pull Downs, why not go straight to Frasor to face Manny, who, even if he's hitting .200 in mid-April, is stil one of the most lethal right-handed bats in baseball? Rhetorical question, obviously - that's not how you use a closer, even if the eighth inning is the critical point in the game.

robertdudek - Friday, April 20 2007 @ 05:52 PM EDT (#166274) #
To further the point: Once you've made the (ill-advised) decision to pull Downs, why not go straight to Frasor to face Manny, who, even if he's hitting .200 in mid-April, is stil one of the most lethal right-handed bats in baseball?

Maybe the laser beam Manny hit off Frasor on Tuesday had something to do with it. Just guessing, though.
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