1. A. J. Burnett looked like a somewhat different pitcher in the
second half of 2006. Which Yogi-ism is more appropriate to the
situation- "half of baseball is 90% mental" or "it's never over until
it's over"? What can we expect from him?
Magpie- He's
feeling good and strong, and for the first time in his career there's
another guy on the staff who can function as a guide and role model. I
think Halladay's focus and ethic will rub off on Burnett, and he'll do
all kinds of things people have been expecting him to do for years.
Some new career highs are coming...
Mike Green- I agree. Less throwing and more pitching means better results for A.J. For some pitchers, turning 30 is a good thing.
Gerry- I
am still not sold on AJ Burnett being a dominant pitcher. It is
encouraging to see him working on a change-up but too often he tries to
blow a fastball by the hitters. Until I see him pitching rather than
throwing I see him as a good, not great, pitcher. The potential is
there though.
Leigh- In Burnett's career, spanning
989.3 innings, he has compiled ratios of 7.9 K/9, 2.1 K/BB, and 0.7
HR/9. In 2006, his first season in the American League and in a
hitter's ballpark, he pitched 135.3 innings with ratios of 7.8 K/9, 3.0
K/BB, and 0.9 HR/9.
Let those facts dispel the rumours that
Burnett is not an "ace", that he was merely a product of his
environment in the NL, and that he has yet to "put it all together". He
has logged nearly 1,000 elite-level innings before the age of 30.
Insofar as the definition of "ace" is one of the top thirty starting
pitchers in the Major Leagues, he is assuredly an ace and not
particularly close the cusp.
MatthewE- I think he'll miss a few starts with arm complaints, have one big losing streak, and finish up something like 13-10.
Thomas- If he stays healthy it will be a good year for AJ. If he doesn't it will be a long year for the Blue Jays.
Dave Till- I became more and more impressed with Burnett as the season went on. I think he's going to have a good year.
#2JBrumfield- Not
that I can quantify this but I think with Doc's influence and
Arnsberg's tutelage, A.J. will have a breakout year to the tune of
15-16 wins with an ERA of 3.75 to 3.90.
2. Speaking of which, how will Gustavo Chacin's off-field problems affect his pitching?
Pistol- I don't think it will have any impact. If he doesn't pitch well I think it'll be because he simply isn't pitching well.
What I found interesting is that this happened the night before he was set to start.
Dave Till- I
doubt that Gus's off-field problems will affect his pitching. But he
wasn't pitching well in 2006, so he might crash and burn anyway.
Gerry- I
noted last year that Gus was fine the first couple of times through the
order but started to struggle on his third time around. If Gus can get
through the first few innings with only a couple of base runners he is
set for 5 or 6 innings. If he allows several base runners the hitters
will see him for the third time in the fourth inning and he will be
gone early. Although the Jays have him as a #3, he really is a #5.
Leigh-I'm
much more concerned about Chacin's on-field problems than any off-field
problems. In 2005, Chacin pitched 203 innings at rates of 5.4 K/9, 1.7
K/BB and 0.9 HR/9. In 2006, his 87.3 innings produced rates of 4.8 K/9,
1.2 K/BB and 2.0 HR/9. His one admirable ratio from 2005, his home runs
allowed, went all crappy in 2006. The window for capitalizing on his
13-9 record, 3.72 ERA season in the trade market is likely gone,
leaving Gus' optimum role as something of an upgrade over Brian Tallet
as the backup LOOGY/Swing Man. I sincerely hope that this gloomy
paragraph comes back to make me look like a jack-ass in seven months,
but I am not hopeful.
Mike Green- One never knows.
For some, entanglement with the law hardly registers on the radar; for
others, it's a wake-up call or alternatively a blow to self-image and
confidence. We shall see.
Magpie- They won't have
an impact. What's more likely to have an impact are all those cutters
he throws, on his elbow. I think he'll be effective, but I don't think
he'll start 25 games.
MatthewE- I don't care to
address the off-field stuff. None of my business. But I believe Chacin
will be removed from the rotation before May is over, for good. He may
still have a career, but I think we've seen the last of him as a
regular starter, simply because he's not that good.
#2JBrumfield - I don't think the off-field stuff
matters either. I never tried the cologne but I'm a Chacin man. He just
finds a way to win and you can't discount 22 wins over the last 2
seasons.
3. Is it reasonable to expect an
ERA of about 5 out of the contenders for the #4, #5, #6 and #7 slots in
the rotation (Ohka, Towers, Thomson(?), Zambrano, Marcum, Downs,
Janssen)? Is that likely to be enough?
Mike Green- If
Marcum and Janssen work 260-280 innings in the rotation, I think that
the #4/#5/#6/#7 slots will do somewhat better than 5.00. Otherwise, it
will be a little worse, I expect. The difference could end up being
quite important depending on what else happens with the club.
MatthewE- 5.00? Somebody can do better than that. Actually, I think the rotation is going to be okay. One way or another.
There are basically three scenarios for how the Toronto rotation is going to perform:
a)
(least desirable) The Jays are unable, due to injuries and poor
performances, to find five guys out of Halladay, Burnett, Chacin,
Thomson, Ohka, Zambrano, Towers, McGowan, Marcum, Janssen, Taubenheim
and Downs who can pitch respectably every five days.
b) (next
least desirable) The Jays manage to fill out the back of the rotation
with some combination of Thomson, Ohka, Zambrano and Towers. They pitch
respectably, in line with the rest of what they've done in their
careers.
c) (most desirable) Because of injuries or poor
performances by some or all of Thomson, Ohka, Zambrano and Towers, the
Jays are forced to try some or all of McGowan, Marcum and Janssen in
the rotation, and McGowan, Marcum and/or Janssen put it all together
and have a great year.
It's true that the good is the enemy of
the bad, but it's also the enemy of the great. I have a hard time
seeing how the Jays are going to win this division unless case c)
happens.
Thomas- Perhaps optimistically, I'm going
to say the Jays #3-4-5 beat that. I see one of Towers, Chacin and Okha
performing quite miserably. A high ERA through mid-May and quickly
getting into the organization's bad books. He won't be Towers '06 bad,
but one of them will be out of the rotation by the end of May. If we're
lucky and avoid injuries, you might get 2 of them to stick.
I'm
optimistic on Towers and I agree with the consensus that Chacin is a
very weak #3 starter. I think the two who stick should pitch to about a
4.50 -4.75 ERA with a lot of 5.2 innings, 3 runs-type starts. I think
the bullpen will be taxed at times early in the season, making it
especially important to have some combination of long-men like Marcum,
Zambrano, Tallet and Janssen there. Although I wouldn't be surprised at
all to see Janssen assume a middle-relief role. So if two of those
three stick, we'll need one of Zambrano, Marcum, Janssen and whomever
else to slot into the rotation at a slightly better than a 5.00 ERA. To
me the problem will be less the avoidance of runs and more the
accumulation of innings. However, if we keep guys back there capable of
doing 2.2 innings a couple of times a week we might get through it okay.
Dave Till- An
ERA of about 5 or a little under is reasonable for at least one or two
of these guys - but not in April, when the roof is closed and the balls
are a-flyin' out. There will be a lot of 12-10 games in the early
going, and any evaluation of the newbies needs to keep park effects in
mind.
Gerry- I believe in Towers, the question is
does Josh? If Towers has a good April, as stated above, then I think he
will be OK through the year. I think the Jays might settle for a 5.00
ERA right now from those 3 spots. With their offense they should be
able to win more of those games than they lose and and then clean up
with Doc and to a lesser extent AJ on the mound.
Magpie- Sure.
Ohka and Towers are a couple of pretty determined guys. Ohka is
pitching for his next contract, and Towers is pitching to save his
career (and has done considerably better than that before anyway.) One
of them probably won't make it through the season in the rotation, and
Towers probably has the least amount of rope to work with - he needs to
make it through April with an ERA below 5.00 and at least a couple of
wins. Whatever happens, the next man into the fray will be Zambrano,
and that will happen when either Ohka's shoulder or Chacin's elbow or
Towers' ERA demands it.
Pistol- I think it's
better than 50/50 that it will happen. I'd be thrilled if the Jays
could get 400 innings and a 5.00 ERA out of the #4 & #5 starting
spots. They would be carrying their weight. Whether that's enough
depends on Halladay and Burnett staying healthy.
#2JBrumfield
- I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that type of performance. I
like the addition of Ohka and Towers can't possibly be any worse than
his 9.11 ERA as a starter last season, can he? I think Zambrano will
help provided he's not being pushed too hard after his TJ surgery but a
nice surprise like a McGowan or Purcey would help.
4. It seems as though spring training performance was a key
factor in the decisions made about the last spots in the rotation? Is
that a good idea?
Dave Till- Well, it's either that
or consult the Magic 8 Ball. Spring training isn't an accurate
measurement of ability, but there isn't any other way to do it. As long
as the Jays can keep some emergency reserve starters in Syracuse,
they'll be able to find five guys who aren't awful.
Pistol- To
a certain degree yes. If John Thomson can't get through 3 innings
without getting shelled then it's probably not a good idea to start
him. On the other hand if sending Accardo to the minors based on 6+ ERA
when he's pitching well (his numbers appear 'hit unlucky') then I don't
think it's good idea.
Gerry- This spring training
it is appropriate for the spring to determine the starters. You have
pitchers returning from injury and off-seasons plus a guy like Casey
Janssen with reportedly a new pitch. So yes.
Magpie-
I have no problem with it so long as by "performance" we're talking
about more than the actual results - how the guy is throwing, what his
command is, how his arm is responding.
MatthewE- Probably not. But what else is there to go on, especially with the three new guys?
Mike Green-
Throwing well in spring training should rightly be an important factor
in these decisions. It would be wise to incorporate an objective
element, as well as the subjective.
#2JBrumfield -
I try not to get too excited about the first couple of weeks of spring
training because, to borrow a line from "Major League", some of these
guys will be bagging groceries in a few weeks (green rookies, quadruple
A players, has-beens, never weres, etc). It's still a small sample size
but unless you extend spring training by another month, what else can
you do?
5. Last year, opponent base thieves stole often and were
caught rarely. Was it primarily the responsibility of the pitchers or
the catchers? Is there any reason for hope of improvement here?
Magpie-
A combination of the two - the Jays' catchers don't much resemble Pudge
Rodriguez, which means they need help from the pitchers. They don't get
very much. I don't care a whole lot, though.
Pistol-
I think how Benji Molina does in SF might be the most telling on who's
responsible. I know the team has talked about improving in this area,
but seeing is believing for me.
Dave Till- I don't
care much about stolen bases. The Jays aren't going to win by
preventing stolen bases. The Jays are going to win by scoring a whack
of runs, thus offsetting the occasional extra run or two from
opposition rabbits.
Mike Green- A bit of both.
Gustavo Chacin's pattern over the previous 2 years was unusual. He
controlled the running game exceptionally well in 2005, picking off 5
while thieves went 8-18, but struck out in 2006, picking off nobody
while thieves were a perfect 5-0. Anyways, Zaun's arm is a little below
average and Phillips' is pretty terrible, so we can expect to see
opposition runners moving a lot. Curtis Thigpen will probably make an
appearance by mid-season, and that will help some.
#2JBrumfield-
Unless Rickey Henderson, Tim Raines, and Maury Wills all come out of
retirement and join Boston and/or New York, I'm not that concerned. The
AL is more of a slugger's league than a runner's league anyway.
6. Royce Clayton for John McDonald with the glove- an improvement, a wash or a loss?
Magpie- Clayton
will be an improvement, especially with Johnny Mac coming in for the
eighth and ninth innings after Stairs pinch-hits for Clayton. McDonald
wore down with excessive usage last season- by September his defense
was positively erratic. It was shocking to see.
MatthewE- I think it's a wash. I'm not enthusiastic about Clayton at all.
Mike Green-
The Royce Clayton of 10 years ago would be a significant defensive
upgrade on McDonald. The statistics say that he's now quite a bit below
average defensively.
Dave Till- Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
#2JBrumfield
- I don't think Clayton can be any worse. I guess that's about as
positive as I can be. What's Tony Fernandez doing these days? Mike
Bordick?
7. Which pitcher is most likely to surprise in the bullpen? Who are you most worried about?
Leigh- Jeremy Accardo is my happy bullpen surprise.
Pistol- Maybe it's not considered a surprise, but I think Frasor will be in the 3.50 ERA/1.25 WHIP area this year.
I'm
not particularly worried about anyone in the sense that if they pitch
poorly they'll be quickly be placed on the Syracuse shuttle. Having
said that I don't think Tallet is going to be one of the top 7
relievers in the organization.
Gerry- I am worried
about the bullpen. BJ Ryan had a great season last year and it would
not be unusual to see his ERA increase a little in 2007. League is not
set coming into 2007, Accardo continues to struggle, Tallet should
probably be in AAA. But bullpens, and relievers, often bounce around
from good years to bad and back again. I am nervous about the
collection we have, a mix of control lefties (other than Ryan) and
hard-throwers who haven't mastered their command. Marcum is the
exception to that generalisation.
Magpie- Most
likely to surprise is Francisco Rosario. He's got the arm, and he'll
probably start out in low leverage situations. He won't have quite the
same game pressures, and he won't have the pressure of his own
situation that he would have faced last season - any young player,
called up in mid-season to pitch in the major leagues for the first
time, must always feel a great deal of pressure to prove that he ought
to stay. He must always be very aware that just as he was suddenly
called up in mid-season, he can be sent down just as quickly while
someone else gets a shot.
I worry about Scott Downs and, to a
lesser degree about Brian Tallet. I'm not completely convinced that
they're really as good as they were last season. I'm not worried as
much about Tallet because he's the seventh guy in the pen, it simply
doesn't matter as much. Downs has a larger role in this pen.
Mike Green-Same as Magpie. I am optimistic about Francisco Rosario and worried about Brian Tallet.
MatthewE- Right now I think we have to be most worried about League, don't we? For a pleasant surprise, I'll say, oh, Accardo. Why not?
Dave Till- Predicting bullpen performance is impossible. I think Tallet has been doing it with mirrors, though.
#2JBrumfield
- I'm going to go with Accardo, he's got a bit more of a track record
to go on than Rosario at this point even if it is all in the NL before
his arrival.
8. Are you comfortable with the idea of Jason Frasor in a high leverage role, if Brandon League is unavailable due to injury?
Thomas-I'd
be happier with League assuming the role (or with Frasor teaming with
League). However, it's clear that Frasor is, right now, the best option
in the Jays bullpen. I'm curious to see Janssen in a relief role, but
that's a side point. I'd be more happier with a Scot Shields or Justin
Duchscherer-type setup guy, but I think Frasor will be fine in the
role. While a lights-out 8th inning guy would be nice, I'm comfortable
with Frasor and he shouldn't be the team's biggest concer.
Gerry-
Frasor did have an off year last year and has remade himself into a
fastball slider pitcher from a fastball curveball pitcher. He should
allow fewer home runs but his success depends on how good the slider
is. If it is good he can easily be the eighth inning guy.
Mike Green-
FREE JASON FRASOR was not just an empty slogan. He is a fine pitcher.
Ideally, he'd set up when League was unavailable after a two inning
stint.
Dave Till- He's done it before, so he's not likely to melt into a puddle of goo under pressure.
MatthewE-
I'm comfortable trying it; he's a decent pitcher and he's pitched well
under pressure before. Then again he might get his clock cleaned;
that's happened too.
Magpie- Frasor should be
fine. He had a rough patch early last season, he bounced back. He seems
a safer bet than anybody in the pen not named Ryan.
Leigh- Leverage,
a stat tracked by Baseball Prospectus and defined on their site as the
"change in the probability of winning the game from scoring (or
allowing) one additional run in the current game situation divided by
the change in probability from scoring (or allowing) one run at the
start of the game" is a good measure of the trust that a manager has
been putting in a reliever.
This table lists Jays' relievers
(minimum 30 relief innings pitched) in order of leverage in each of the
past three seasons. Keep in mind that leverage is a rate stat, so the
quantity of innings - once the 30 relief innings threshold is past - is
irrelevant.
Rank | 2004 | 2005 | 2006 |
1 | Frasor | Batista | Ryan |
2 | Adams | Frasor | Speier |
3 | Speier | Schoeneweis | League |
4 | Ligtenberg | Walker | Schoeneweis |
5 | Chulk | Chulk | Downs |
6 | File | Speier | Frasor |
As you can see, Frasor has been afforded a decreasing level of
trust over the past three seasons, bottoming out at sub-LOOGY leverage
in 2006. Using Frasor as a high-leverage setup man may prove difficult
for Gibby, though Frasor is clearly qualified for the job.
#2JBrumfield - His performance at the end of the year
makes me confident Frasor will be fine. He's got the track record for
success and from what I understand, he's scrapped the curveball which
he seemed to hang too often last year. I'd be more comfortable with
Justin Speier but that was a lot of money the Angels forked out for him
so I can't blame J.P. for not matching that.
9. Saving the best for last, Roy Halladay's BBRef top 10
comparables include Matt Morris, Tim Hudson and Mike Mussina. Is
Halladay likely to be as good as Mussina was in his 30s?
Gerry-
Doc has a large reportoire of pitches and can survive anything, except
injury. All those breaking pitches do take a toll on his arm and he has
been a workhorse when healthy. I am not that worried, although that
might be hope.
MatthewE- No, I don't think so. I
don't like the way Halladay's strikeout numbers are dropping, and I
wouldn't be surprised if he only had a couple of good years left in him.
Leigh-
As if one citation of a BP stat followed by a crude table was not
enough, here are the "stuff" ratings for Halladay, Mussina, Hudson and
Morris in their age 24 - 29 seasons. Stuff is defined at BP as a "rough
indicator of the pitcher's overall dominance, based on normalized
strikeout rates, walk rates, home run rates, runs allowed, and innings
per game. "10" is league average, while "0" is roughly replacement
level."
For fun, I have included three other pitchers on
Halladay's comp list, Bartolo Colon, Pat Hentgen and Kevin Millwood.
For even more fun, I have also included A.J. Burnett.
Pitcher | Stuff @24 | Stuff @25 | Stuff @26 | Stuff @27 | Stuff @28 | Stuff @29 |
Halladay | 30 | 19 | 24 | 15 | 28 | 16 |
Mussina | 18 | 14 | 22 | 23 | 32 | 28 |
Hudson | 20 | 17 | 13 | 18 | 11 | 7 |
Morris | - | 0 | 22 | 19 | 14 | 5 |
Colon | 3 | 20 | 19 | 34 | 19 | 13 |
Hentgen | 8 | 25 | 9 | 18 | 11 | 0 |
Millwood | 27 | 16 | 5 | 21 | 16 | 17 |
Burnett | 7 | 27 | 9 | 26 | 26 | 24 |
Halladay and Mussina are in another league than the rest of the
comps. Halladay out-pitched Mussina in the 24 to 26 age range, but
Mussina was better in his late twenties. Halladay and Mussina are in
another league than the rest of the comps. Halladay pitching as well as
Mussina into his thirties is a fairly optimistic scenario, but one that
I am willing to endorse.
Dave Till- The BP people are
worried about Halladay's declining strikeout rate. I'm not. He's the
man, and he will likely continue to be the man. (Of course, since
pitching is an unnatural motion, any pitcher is one bad curveball away
from extinction at any time.)
Mike Green- "Likely"
isn't the word that I would choose. He certainly could be as good as
Mussina has been, and maybe a little better, but the arm is a
mysterious thing.
Magpie- I sure hope so.
#2JBrumfield
- He's a better human being than Mussina, does that count for anything?
I think Doc's got a lot left in the tank and he's pitching smarter too.
By cutting down on his cutter, he's saving his bullets for the season.
10. The Jays allowed 754 runs in 2006. How many in 2007?
Magpie- A slight, but real, improvement - I am determined to be an Optimist this spring - so we'll go with 737.
Mike Green-
I'm going to be an optimist, too. The pitching staff is going to beaten
about pretty good in April and May, but it won't be such a bad thing,
as it will force some decisions that will end up benefiting the club.
There's nothing like strong pitching down the stretch. 740 runs allowed.
Gerry- I see more runs scoring this year, say 787.
Pistol-
I'll go with 750, although it really could be anywhere between 700-850
- there's a lot of potential variability here with injuries and
ineffectiveness.
Dave Till- "Answer hazy, ask again later."
#2JBrumfield - As a whole, I think the rotation will be better but the bullpen's a little iffy with League out of action. I'll go with 745.
Later today, the Roster returns with their win predictions and "season in a sentence or two" summaries.