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Today on ESPN.com, Jim Caple -- one of the top five baseball writers alive today -- has a story on "Page 2" that encourages the Yankees to trade, not Alex Rodriguez, but Derek Jeter. Of course, this will never happen, but as always, Caple makes good sense.

Anyway, here's the question ... don't be the manager, be the General Manager, of any team -- your choice! -- except the Yankees. Make an offer for Jeter, your (likely) 2006 American League MVP. And be for real -- who needs a shortstop, can afford Jeter's contract, and has enough to offer?

Posted by Mick Doherty on Monday, October 09 2006 @ 04:14 PM EDT.

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Mick Doherty - Monday, October 09 2006 @ 04:26 PM EDT (#156801) #

On behalf of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (that's near Hollywood, Derek!), we are pleased to offer King George a package of Ervin Santana, Scot Shields and Maicer Izturis for Jeter, and we will pick up the entirety of Jeter's contract. He'll make up for it in free media PR on the tinseltown talk shows alone.

AWeb - Monday, October 09 2006 @ 04:51 PM EDT (#156802) #

Oh behalf of the Astros, who had a year on par with the Jays at SS, I offer Roy Oswalt, for Jeter. We need offense, badly; it would be nice for Berkman to have a player on base a little more often (our leadoff guys had an OBP under .320) in front of him. Oh, and we'll take his full salary, which should nicely replace Bagwell's.

js_magloire - Monday, October 09 2006 @ 05:03 PM EDT (#156803) #

Talking with a Yankee fan friend of mine, in discussion, she asked what I would want to give up Roy Halladay. And I said, no one (except, in my thoughts, maybe Johan Santana). But to that, she replied, what about Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez? And I thought, hm, that's more like it. It was the first time I ever heard a Yankee fan mutter the name Jeter in the same sentence as trade. Jeter had a great year but I think his leadership and intangibles trump his skill. So I wouldn't give him much in a trade for him. Such as Anibal Sanchez, I'd rather have Sanchez.

slitheringslider - Monday, October 09 2006 @ 08:00 PM EDT (#156807) #

I would neither give up Ervin Santana, Scot Shields, and Maicer Izturis nor Roy Oswalt for Derek Jeter. As good as Jeter has been this year, he is still overrated and overpaid. They would probably give up A-Rod for the same asking price. I would under no circumstance as a GM trade for Jeter unless the Yankees agree to eat a considerable portion of his contract. His market value is about 12mil not 20mil.

On the other hand, if I am Brian Cashman and is approached by J.P. Ricciardi, I would ask for Vernon Wells. In that case, J.P. would politely decline and walk away.

Slightly off topic, but if the Jays have a chance to acquire A-Rod this winter, should we go for it? A-Rod might be on the trading block and his value is at rock bottom right now despite putting up gaudy numbers. At 15 mil/yr he is a bargain and would fit in nicely as our everyday SS. Would you want A-Rod on the team or do you think he is too much of a pretty boy and egoist and would harm team chemistry? Who would you give up for him? Who would you rather have, a 28yrs old Wells or a 32 yr old A-Rod? V-Dub + prospect for A-Rod? Let me know what you think

Pepper Moffatt - Monday, October 09 2006 @ 08:13 PM EDT (#156808) #

To the A's for Dan Haren and Bobby Crosby.

Just to see the statheads and non-statheads be utterly perplexed.

js_magloire - Monday, October 09 2006 @ 08:29 PM EDT (#156810) #

Talking to the same Yankee fan, I was assured that there is no way in hell that Arod will be traded. Also because Arod wants to stay as a Yankee, he wants to win there. Plus he's still pretty good and the Yankees would probably want a lot back in return, hopefully they don't get too much value back. So unless they feel he's a distraction, then....Well anyway, this is what an ESPN guy who knows more about this stuff then I do because he's an insider, right? Thought it was interesting.

Joe NY: Arod to the angels for santana, weaver and figgins or mcphereson... is it a possibilty?

Gary Gillette: (4:23 PM ET ) Joe, as I said, I'm going to defer most off-season chatter till a later chat. But we are being innundated with the A-Rod stuff, so I'll comment on it now.

Gary Gillette: (4:23 PM ET ) A-Rod is almost certainly gone from the Yankees. They want to trade him badly, and I'm guessing that they will get less in return because of that.

Gary Gillette: (4:24 PM ET ) Plus his well-documented postseason miseries will hurt his value a lot more than they should. I think the Angels are a good fit for both A-Rod and a good fit for a trade with the Yankees, but I'm not going to guess on what the deal will be

Katelyn (Syracuse, NY): Will A-Rod waive his no trade clause though?

Gary Gillette: (4:25 PM ET ) Yes, I think he'd be crazy not to waive it when a reasonable deal with an attractive team comes together.

Joanna - Monday, October 09 2006 @ 08:40 PM EDT (#156811) #

I defenitely wouldn't trade Doc for either Jeter or Arod. Why? Because starting pitching is at a premium, so unless Jeets can add pitching to the repetoire that includes clutchness and babe-magnet, I don't want him. As for Arod, I've seen his work under pressure. So bless him, but no. Also seeing Doc in pinstripes would warrant a Oedipus style eye plucking.

Jeter is a great ballplayer and often a lot of fun to watch. But I sort of agree with the idea that the value of his intangibles might outreach his actual skill. The cost to pry him away from the Yankees might not be worth it. And any team willing to give up premium stud pitching (which I think would be the price) is nuts. I'm having trouble wrapping my brain around the idea of Jeets not in pinstripes.

js_magloire - Monday, October 09 2006 @ 08:42 PM EDT (#156812) #

You're right, I probably wouldn't trade Doc for Jeter AND Arod. Who would?

VBF - Monday, October 09 2006 @ 08:54 PM EDT (#156813) #

Florida: Derek Jeter, 100 million to spend on stadium.

Yankees: Dontrelle Willis, Miguel Cabrera, Hanibal Sanchez.

Yankees Happy. Florida Happy. Selig Happy. Loria Happy.

Ron - Monday, October 09 2006 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#156815) #

Miggy for Jeter
Crawford/Upton for Jeter
Wells/Romero for Jeter
McCarthy/Anderson/Crede for Jeter
Weaver/Shields/Mathis for Jeter

Jim - Monday, October 09 2006 @ 10:03 PM EDT (#156817) #

I would neither give up Ervin Santana, Scot Shields, and Maicer Izturis nor Roy Oswalt for Derek Jeter

If you throw out the salary difference, there is no way that either of those trades is good value for Jeter. Since the money doesn't really matter in the position the Yankees are in, I don't see how these trades make any sense at all.

Jeter has put up back to back 11.3 WARP seasons. I am pretty heavily into stats and don't buy much into intangibles, but even I admit there is something more to Jeter then just his numbers.

Oswalt has thrown 700 innings in the past 3 years and he'll be a free agent soon enough anyway. I wouldn't trade Aaron Hill for him, nevermind Derek Jeter. Unless you've got 15MM laying around to pay someone to spend time on your disabled list, I don't see why you'd pay the sort of money that Oswalt is going to make.

Ron - Monday, October 09 2006 @ 11:03 PM EDT (#156819) #

Oswalt has thrown 700 innings in the past 3 years and he'll be a free agent soon enough anyway. I wouldn't trade Aaron Hill for him, nevermind Derek Jeter. Unless you've got 15MM laying around to pay someone to spend time on your disabled list, I don't see why you'd pay the sort of money that Oswalt is going to make.

Roy Oswalt signed a 5yr/73 million extension at the end of August. He won't be a free agent for a long time.
Saying you wouldn't trade Aaron Hill for Roy Oswalt is nothing short of crazy. I would like to think one of the elite starting pitchers in baseball in his prime is worth a lot more than a decent young 2B.

He's worth the big bucks because he has pitched 220+ innings the last 3 seasons. You are trying to make it sound like being a healthy productive starting pitcher is a negative. I would much rather give out a long term contract to a pitcher with a healthy track record like Zito and Oswalt than an injury prone pitcher like AJ Burnett.

Lefty - Monday, October 09 2006 @ 11:12 PM EDT (#156820) #

Any deal for Jeter would have to include a significant transfer of cash to cover his contract. Where other teams look for a hometown discount, Jeter essentialy received a hometown premium from the Yankee's.

If Jeter was a free agent this winter, what kind of offers would he be receiving?

So with regard to all the "what would you give to land Jeter speculation above, would also have to include cash. Unless you were dealing from strength from say pitching and were sending another bloated contract to the Yankee's.

For example, Miguel Tejada for Jeter and $8 million per for the balance of Tejada's contract. Crawford and Upton for Jeter and $10 million for the balance of Jeter's contract. Just to cite two examples posted above.

I mean who would give up at least five years of control of Upton, plus Crawford for Jeter striaght up?

So Bartolo Colon for Jeter straight up. Angels have pitching depth to relplace him. Yankee's need starting pitching and could save millions and the Angels could perhaps afford to take on Jeter's contract.

Doesn't sound like much does it? But I think thats about the ballpark for Jeter in a trade.

Jim - Tuesday, October 10 2006 @ 07:47 AM EDT (#156822) #

Roy Oswalt signed a 5yr/73 million extension at the end of August. He won't be a free agent for a long time.
Saying you wouldn't trade Aaron Hill for Roy Oswalt is nothing short of crazy.

I couldn't remember if they were still talking extention or if he had already signed it.

I wouldn't trade for Roy Oswalt because I wouldn't want to pay him $15MM a year. I wouldn't sign him to that contract as a free agent giving up nothing, nevermind trading actual players for him. I just threw Aaron Hill out there as a random name who clearly isn't in the class of Derek Jeter.

Jim - Tuesday, October 10 2006 @ 07:50 AM EDT (#156823) #

You are trying to make it sound like being a healthy productive starting pitcher is a negative.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that if I'm going to pay 75MM for the next 5 years of a pitcher's career, I'd rather him not come with 700 innings pitched over the past three seasons.

Really it just comes down to the fact that I really would avoid paying pitchers 75MM over 5 years in general. There aren't going to be many for whom that kind of deal isn't a huge risk.

rpriske - Tuesday, October 10 2006 @ 09:20 AM EDT (#156824) #

Vernon Wells and throw in a prospect.

Craig B - Tuesday, October 10 2006 @ 11:07 AM EDT (#156828) #

Yeah, but there is no way in hell I am taking Jeter and A-Rod together. One thinks he's God, the other one everyone thinks is the Devil. That can't end well.

Now that problem aside, Jeter, A-Rod and Philip Hughes for Halladay and V-Dub is a deal that would be interesting...

Mike Green - Tuesday, October 10 2006 @ 11:30 AM EDT (#156830) #

...I don't think Cashman would buy. They rightfully love Phil Hughes.

The Angels do seem like a natural trading partner. Jeter, and maybe some cash, for Brandon Wood? Wood moves to third and the Yankees pray that A-Rod can play short. The Angels put their faith in Macier Izturis and Dallas McPherson.

MatO - Tuesday, October 10 2006 @ 03:13 PM EDT (#156840) #

As I mentioned in another thread, I don't think Brandon Wood is ready for prime-time yet (way too may K's in AA). Is Dallas Macpherson still a prospect? I tried in the past to point out the similarities between MacPherson and Chip Cannon (same schools, similar paths etc.) but I was hoping that Cannon would rise to MacPherson's level not that MacPherson would fall to Cannon's level!

Mike Green - Tuesday, October 10 2006 @ 03:34 PM EDT (#156841) #

I agree, MatO. Serious park adjustments have to be made for Salt Lake stats too. I always thought that McPherson was an overrated prospect for this reason, and his K rate.

Joanna - Wednesday, October 11 2006 @ 11:36 AM EDT (#156856) #

If you are going to trade Vernon for Jeter, why not just keep Vernon and pay him the money you would pay Jeter? I want my CF.

VBF - Wednesday, October 11 2006 @ 11:43 AM EDT (#156857) #

Part of the reason would be that it's much more difficult to find a shortstop of Jeter's calibre than to find a center fielder of Vernon's calibre. It's totally possible that Alex Rios himself could top Vernon's calibre offensively, and in a few years, perhaps even defensively.

In which case, you'd look to replace a all-star right fielder, which is not impossible to do.

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