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These days, we don't think much about Cuba as a provider of major league baseball talent; other than the rare exception of a Hernandez brother or a Contreras, there simply aren't many natives of our neighboring island to the south who make the big leagues any more.

But that's all about politics. And the truth of the matter is, a lot of very fine players throughout big league history have been born in Cuba; no less than 150, in fact, still the fifth most of any country in the world outside the USA, and half again more than the larger and friendlier Mexico, the most recent country visited for Baseball's Hall of Names.

But Cuba? Sure, how would you like a team that looks like this? ...



The Havana Knights

** indicates Hall of Famer
* indicates All-Star

MGR: Carlos Tosca (191-191)

Lineup
C Paul Casanova* ('67 All-Star; .225 in 10 years)
1B Rafael Palmeiro* (.288, 569 homers in 20 years)
2B Cookie Rojas* (five-time All-Star; .263 in 16 seasons)
SS Bert Campaneris* (six-time All-Star; 649 SB)
3B Tony Perez** (seven-time All-Star; .279, 379 homers in 23 years)
LF Jose Cardenal (.275, 138 homers)
CF Minnie Minoso* (.298 in 17 seasons)
RF Jose Canseco* (six-time All-Star; '88 AL MVP; 462 homers)
DH Tony Oliva* (.304, 220 homers in 15 seasons)

Bench
C Eli Marrero (C/OF/1B, .245 through 2005)
IF Zoilo Versalles* (1965 AL MVP)
IF Leo Cardenas* (five-time All-Star)
OF Jose Tartabull (.261 in nine seasons)
OF Tony Gonzalez (.286, 103 homers, 1960-71)
UTIL Tony Taylor* (ll but C; .261, 234 SB in 19 years)

Rotation
RHSP Luis Tiant* (229-172)
RHSP Camilo Pascual* (174-170)
RHSP Dolf Luque (194-179)
LHSP Mike Cuellar* (185-130)
RHSP Jose Contreras (35-18 through 2005)

Bullpen
CL Danys Baez* (102 saves through 2005)
SET Pedro Ramos* (117-160, 55 saves)
SET Diego Segui (92-111, 72 saves)
RP Livan Hernandez* (110-104 through 2005)
RP Orlando Hernandez (70-49 through 2005)

Notes from the Coastline ... Tosca is the second-winningest of six Cuban-born big league managers, behind only Preston Gomez, and the only one of those six not on the red side of .500 for his career ... Luque was 27-8 for the 1922 Reds, but his entire career predated the All-Star Game ... Jose Contreras' blazing 8-0 start for the White Sox in 2006 has his career mark at 43-18 and seems likely to put an end to his dearth of All-Star appearances ...

RHRP Luis "Witto" Aloma rang up a career 18-3 mark with 15 saves for the 1950-53 White Sox ... Then in 1954, Sandy Consuegra tossed together a 16-3 season for those same Sox, the highlight of his 51-32 career ... RHSP Rolando Arrojo was the first Devil Ray All-Star ... RHRP Mike Fornieles had 63 wins and 55 saves in 12 seasons, while if this team needs a LOOGY, LHRP Tony Fossas also pitched for 12 years (it just seems like it was 25) ... RHS/RP Orlando Pena had 56 wins and 40 saves in 14 years ... Whatever happened with Ariel Prieto, anyway? The righty led all Cubans in career hype, but won just 15 games in six partial seasons ... Oscar Zamora had back-to-back 10-save seasons for the 1974-75 Cubs, but in '76 some guy named Sutter showed up ..

Tony Perez was the Reds starting third baseman from 1967-71 until Lee May was sent to Houston in the Joe Morgan trade ... Four players on this roster -- Tartabull, Segui, Perez and Casanova -- had sons who played big league ball, though again for political reasons, none of those sons were also born in Cuba ... The best player to not make the team? Hard to say, though the glut of middle infielders eliminated both Tito Fuentes (.268 in 13 years, though not much with the glove) and the differently-talented three-time Gold Glove winner, Rey Ordonez ... Eight of the nine players in the starting lineup made at least one All-Star team, while the one who didn't, Jose Cardenal, played well enough to be selected on several occasions ...

So ... drop this team into the current big league schedule and it wins, what, 115 games?

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AWeb - Sunday, June 25 2006 @ 02:25 PM EDT (#149721) #
Looks like a good team, but I don't think it's an incredible one. The lineup features quite a few bad hitters, and the pitching staff is deep, but not overwhelming at any point. Aside from Palmeiro and Perez , no one had a HoF type career. Plus, any team with Canseco and Palmeiro is bound to raise a few eyebrows these days.

 I'm actually surprised the Cuban team isn't a lot better. Would there be players from the Negro leagues at all?

Also, Oliva's average is .304 (you have .204), and Bullpen is labeled Rotation.

Mick Doherty - Sunday, June 25 2006 @ 03:34 PM EDT (#149723) #
Thanks for the corrections, AWeb, I have fixed them.

I think you have a number of guys on this team who were borderline HOFers, or at least viewed that way for a while ... including Perez, who actually is in, there's Minoso, Campaneris, Canseco and Luque. So it's already a heckofa team.

Mike Green - Sunday, June 25 2006 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#149724) #
I agree with Mick.  115 wins.  A superb rotation, solid defence down the middle of the diamond, good offence everywhere but C, SS and 2B, deep bench and an average bullpen.   They might have trouble in a short series, but over a season, this is one fine club.  Perez is a Hall of Famer, and Oliva, Tiant and Minoso are close.
Magpie - Sunday, June 25 2006 @ 04:41 PM EDT (#149727) #
Whatever happened with Ariel Prieto, anyway? The righty led all Cubans in career hype, but won just 15 games in six partial seasons

Oakland drafted Prieto instead of some guy named Helton, and they're still bitter about it. According to Catfish Stew, here's what the problem was:

Prieto had a slider that dipped out of the strike zone that everyone in the Cuban leagues used to swing at. In the majors, the hitters all spit at it. Prieto never found a way to adjust to the fact that his "out pitch" was ineffective at the major league level, and Mr. Not-Todd-Helton settled into a career that was, at best, mediocre.


He's got Priteo ranked 7th on the list of Least Favourite Oakland A's of all time. I'd be bitter too
Geoff - Sunday, June 25 2006 @ 04:44 PM EDT (#149728) #
115 wins? The pitching isn't that great and the defence wouldn't be stellar either. But I suppose some folks would look at the Yankees and say 115 wins too....

Besides that, how good would this team be if some guys weren't allowed to juice it up?  [/pot stirring]

Geoff - Sunday, June 25 2006 @ 04:57 PM EDT (#149729) #
Quite the surprise to see Versalles won the 1965 MVP, just by comparing his numbers that season with that of his teammate and compatriot, Tony Oliva. With 39 errors, his defence wasn't pushing him over the top either. Was he just a more friendly guy?
Magpie - Sunday, June 25 2006 @ 05:11 PM EDT (#149731) #
Quite the surprise to see Versalles won the 1965 MVP

It does make little sense from this distance - a lot of it had to do with those fabled intangibles. Other factors would be that he provided a great deal of offense for a shortstop - he led the league in runs scored,  he had 76 extra base hits, and was 26 of 31 as a base stealer - all this at the height of the modern dead-ball era. He also hit .346 in August-September, which would have been especially fresh in the voters minds as the Twins rolled to the pennant.
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