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Fun game, that. It was quickly approaching July 1, 2004 status when Eric Hinske got kneed in the head (the White Sox like doing that to the Jays, I guess) but it ended very soon after that play at second...

Apologies for this somewhat delayed This Day In Baseball as I had to finish watching the game first. I left the house and put in a tape when the Jays went out in front in the bottom of the eighth and naturally assumed I wouldn't have to watch any more than three outs in the ninth.

Yesterday's Game, Executive Summary
: John McDonald can catch. Alex Rios can throw. Lots of pitching changes and offensive substitutions. Shea Hillenbrand said "enough of this" and ended it. If I watched the Jays lose to Jeff Nelson, I might have lost it. Thankfully, I didn't. (Yeah, Eric Hinske probably should have slid in feet-first, but what are you going to do?)

What a crappy blown save: B.J. Ryan's ninth inning didn't go so well: ball gets away from Luis Figueroa on Joe Crede's double, Gregg Zaun does everything right on a bunt attempt except picking up the ball and a slow grounder to the left side scores the tying run.

The bottom of the ninth: I went over the top of the ninth above, now here's the bottom. It's easy to say that Shea Hillenbrand swung at the first pitch with the winning run on second, but if that ball is hit two inches higher, Zaun doesn't have to bat. Juan Uribe didn't like fielding just one liner, so he had Zaun hit another one to him. Aaron Hill has a pair if he takes a 96 mph pitch right on the corner with two strikes.

Welcome to Toronto, Luis Figueroa: No pressure. Just the game on the line with extra innings looming and the team's two best relievers used for an inning apiece. Oh. That's not good. Well, I guess that's why he has just three major league ABs.

The bottom of the tenth: Reed Johnson tried to lay one down to move Rios to second but he just gave away an out instead. I didn't think he should have bunted, not with Rios' speed on first and the power of Vernon Wells and Troy Glaus to follow. Pat Tabler (oh, how I miss Rance) said Rios might try to steal...well, why didn't he steal before Johnson failed to bunt? And since when does a 48 year old Jeff Nelson pitch well?

Now, Ozzie Guillen did not bring his closer in with the game tied at 2, but I stopped looking for conventional/unconventional labels to apply to his bullpen usage a long time ago. Case in point: I assumed he was bringing in Bobby Jenks to face Wells and Glaus, but instead we see Nelson, who was out of baseball and only got a job because Kenny Williams noticed him in the press box?

Star of the Game: This one kept changing -- it was John McDonald through seven and a half, Frank Catalanotto through eight, then...well, you get the idea. Obviously, it was Shea Hillenbrand when the dust finally settled. Imagine if it was actually Johnny Mac -- I would have to lead off this article with something like "I promised that this would be a frank record, so far as I can write one, and God forbid that I should pretend that there is not a generous measure of spite in my nature."

For the Chisox: Jose Contreras, who I can't believe is only in his fourth year in the majors. Hasn't he been around forever? Just five hits over seven innings. Honourable mention to the home plate umpire, who made things a lot easier on Contreras.

Unsung Hero: Who can be more unsung than the guy who gets the "BS" tag next to his name? Ryan struck out Iguchi and Thome (and later, Paul Konerko and A.J. Pierzynski) when a gapper by either Iguchi or Thome puts the Jays down two. He also pitched a scoreless tenth. The blown save, as it were, was indeed "crappy" as the only time he was really "beat" by the batter was on Crede's leadoff double. It must have been a night for leadoff doubles down the RF line by left-handed infielders, as Lyle Overbay did the same thing.

It Might Just Snowball From Here: It's official -- Overbay is the Jays' version of Fifth Business. He does the only good thing in the ninth and doesn't get to do anything except watch Uribe play catch with the batters. Perhaps we need to rename this "Unsung Hero" thing.

Today for the Jays: Ty Taubenheim against Jon Garland. I don't know which Robertson Davies characters they would be.

One (or two) last thing(s): Did Aaron Hill actually touch the base on the 5-4-3 in the top of the eleventh? Rewinding and pausing yielded inconclusive results. For that matter, was Jermaine Dye really out at third on Barfield's -- I mean, Rios' throw?
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CaramonLS - Sunday, May 28 2006 @ 11:40 AM EDT (#147808) #
That play in the bottom of the 9th by MacDonald was something else and preserved the tie for the Jays.

Deep in the hole at short after it squirts past a diving Glaus and is still able to throw out the very quick Uribe by 2 steps at first base.. wow.

Nigel - Sunday, May 28 2006 @ 11:40 AM EDT (#147809) #
There were a ton of - You Be The Manager - moments yesterday. A number of choices that Gibbons made I didn't like (the Johnson bunt and the Hinske/Hillenbrand hit and run) but they were defensible choices (at least by many managerial standards). The one I really didn't like was the Hinske pinch run decision of Overbay with 2 outs in the 9th. Now I acknowledge that Hinske is a speed upgrade over Overbay (how much can be debated). But if the speed upgrade is that necessary, its that necessary from the moment Overbay stepped on second. To wait for two outs with your light hitting 32 year old 4 MLB AB's SS up makes zero sense. The outfield came in so far in that situation that Ricky Henderson could not have scored on a single let alone Hinske. Hinske could only have scored on a double (and then Overbay would have scored on a double just as easily). To compound the problem, you were using your last lefthanded bat on the bench (maybe your only bat depending on how you feel about using your last catcher) for that pinch running situation. The whole thing just seemed like an afterthought - that maybe the right call was to bring Hinske in to run (which I don't agree with but was at least a defensible move) and the manager only thought about it 2 hitters too late.

Anyway, a fabulously entertaining game all around.
Mike Green - Sunday, May 28 2006 @ 12:06 PM EDT (#147811) #
I too wondered why Hinske did not pinch-run for Overbay earlier. On the positive side, I was pleased that Ryan was left in to pitch the 10th inning.  Not all managers would have done so.
Maldoff - Sunday, May 28 2006 @ 12:06 PM EDT (#147812) #

I promise I was thinking this BEFORE the bottom of the 11th yesterday:

I, for one, am STRONGLY against trading Shea HIllenbrand to fill the SS/2B hole on the Jays roster.  The versatility Hillenbrand gives Gibbons is invaluable.  If Shea were to be traded, the Jays would be stuck with a DH combo of Zaun/Hinske/Cat, which is fine, but it subtracts a viable player off of your bench, as one would assume Jason Phillips would be recalled to be a 3rd catcher if Zaun were to regularly DH (and Zaun isn't going to keep hitting like this all season).  Were it particularly hurts the team is against left-handed pitchers.  We all know that the Cat needs those days off, and Hinske can't hit a lefty that throws over 80 MPH, so the Jays would automatically have no bench in those situations.  In addition, if it were decided that Overbay shouldn't be facing a lefty on that day, the Jays have no one (other than Ali G) to slot into the lineup. That is a significant downgrade.  There is also the matter of when Troy Glaus needs a day off in the field, but that's for another rant.

I am going to throw out 2 names that the Jays should pursue to fill this hole: Ceser Izturis and Alfonso Soriano (provided he can be signed).  While Soriano is terrible defensively, he is the type of player I would trade Hillenbrand for (as it eliminates the whole lack of righty thing I wrote about above).  Iztuis is an above average defensive player, and has shown he can handle the bat.  In order to get him, though, the Jays would need to part with some minor league prospects, and I think that's OK, provided it's not a Romero, McGowan, Purcey-type.  That makes much more sense than acquiring a left-handed hitting second baseman for our full-time DH.

Mike Green - Sunday, May 28 2006 @ 12:28 PM EDT (#147815) #
Hillenbrand's trade value will never be higher.  That is for sure.

Having a shortstop but no second baseman, or vice versa, is like having half a telephone number, as Bill James once said.  From the Jay perspective, the questions were:

1. can Aaron Hill play short well?  (I think the answer to this one is an easy yes)
2. is the team better off offensively with McDonald and Hillenbrand or with Kennedy and Hinske/Zaun?

With Kendry Morales starting off like a house on fire, my guess is that these questions are, for now, purely theoretical.

robertdudek - Sunday, May 28 2006 @ 06:15 PM EDT (#147826) #
2. is the team better off offensively with McDonald and Hillenbrand or with Kennedy and Hinske/Zaun?

How about Adams (2B) and Hillenbrand?

It may sound strange coming from me, but I think trading Hillenbrand for Kennedy would be a mistake - this is why:

1) Hillenbrand is a good enough bat that it could possibly land us a 3rd starting pitcher - something that I view as a more pressing medium term need. That is predicated on the idea that it is best to assume we get very from AJ Burnett the rest of the year (if he does come back strong the club will be all the better for it).

2) Hillenbrand is popular with his teammates and there may be a negative effect on club morale with a midseason trade that does not make the club obviously better. Adam Kennedy simply isn't good enough to be viewed as an upgrade by the Blue Jays players themselves.

3) Adams, whom I assume in about two weeks or so will be comfortable playing 2B and will be at least adequate defensively, constitutes only a slightly inferior player to Adam Kennedy at this point. Going forward, Kennedy figures to decline and Adams should be at least stable offensively, and much cheaper over the next few seasons than Kennedy or any comparable replacement the Jays are likely to bring in.

Even if the money aspect were completely neutral I don't think a deal of this type makes sense.

Mike Green - Sunday, May 28 2006 @ 08:38 PM EDT (#147831) #
Put Adam Kennedy in Toronto instead of LAA and his OBP becomes .360.  Adams' career OBP is .327.  That's a big difference. They're about even in slugging percentage, with a slight edge to Kennedy.  Kennedy is an above-average defender at second, whereas Adams' defensive ability there is, let's be fair, open to doubt. 

It's hard to tell whether starting pitching will be a priority as of July.  The rotation figures to be Halladay, Chacin, Burnett, Lilly, and Janssen with McGowan, Purcey and Banks possibly ready by then, in the event of injury or ineffectiveness. If one believes that Adams will be ready to step up and be an effective major league second baseman within 3 weeks or so, then holding on to Hillenbrand makes some sense.  Personally, I think that the adjustment process will be much more lengthy and that this is a crucial point in the season requiring immediate action. 

robertdudek - Sunday, May 28 2006 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#147833) #
I personally don't think Kennedy is the defensive force he once was - sure, better than Adams but not Orlando Hudson. He's also 30 years old, so is at a risky age for 2B.

I also disagree that OBP is significantly dependent on the team one plays for except in extreme circumstances, as Mike has implied. This is particularly true for a non-power hitter. From 2002 to the present Kennedy's OBP has ranged from .344 to .354. Given a 1000 at-bats I'm confident that Adams will display more power than Kennedy going forward.

My conclusion is Kennedy is a substantial defensive upgrade from Adams, but I do not think their offensive value is much different at the present time.


robertdudek - Sunday, May 28 2006 @ 09:40 PM EDT (#147834) #
Personally, I think that the adjustment process will be much more lengthy and that this is a crucial point in the season requiring immediate action.

If this is indeed a crucial point in the season, then should the Jays not address the shambles that is the starting rotation? If we can wait until July to see what becomes of our injured starters, then can we not also wait to see how Adams/McDonald/Hill do in the middle infield?


Mike Green - Monday, May 29 2006 @ 10:24 AM EDT (#147859) #

With McDonald out and Adams learning a new position, my own view is that the middle infield is the more serious problem.  Scott Downs would make a perfectly acceptable fifth starter for a month, and worries me less than Edgardo Alfonzo.

Anyways, it's done.  Every year, there have been depth issues. In 2004, it was the outfield, with Dave Berg and the premature promotion of Alex Rios as the results.  In 2005, it was catcher, with Ken Huckaby filling the role.  And this year, it is the middle infield, with Edgardo Alfonzo and Luis Figueroa playing the part.  Money has never really been the issue, and it certainly wasn't this year.

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