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Yesterday's game never happened.

Star Of The Game That Never Happened: Mimbo Johnny Damon had a couple of homers and scored five times. (In fact, all five homers hit yesterday were by guys with a "J" first name. How's that for useless trivia?)

Unsung Hero In The Game That Never Happened: Home plate umpire Bruce Dreckman for calling obvious balls as strikes in the ninth to get that one over with. But, the ninth inning never happened, so he's not that unsung after all.

Defensive Play Of The Game That Never Happened: Jorge Posada's part in the 2-3 putout in the fifth, which never happened. He backhanded it to first and fell down awkwardly on his knee.

Defensive Misplay Of The Game That Never Happened: I don't have enough time to list all of the candidates.

For The Jays: If the game actually happened, then Reed Johnson would have reached three times after being hit by a pitch.

Boxscore: There Is No Boxscore.

Today's Game: Gustavo Chacin vs. Mike Mussina, 1:05. Both teams are now 12-10, one game behind Boston and a half game ahead of the O's. If the Jays keep giving Chacin ridiculous run support, he could join Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez as the only 5-0 starters in 2006.

Maybe Being The DH Isn't So Bad After All: Shea Hillenbrand had to leave the game after colliding with Gary Sheffield at first base. Sheffield appeared to get the worst of it, landing on his shoulder and eventually being diagnosed with a couple of contusions. My scoresheet note (yes, I scored the whole ugly game) has "knee GS -> head SH" so I'm not surprised Hillenbrand was a bit dizzy.

Wacky Early-Season Note Of The Day: Tampa Bay's 10-14 record would be second in the N.L. East, behind...the Mets?? That can't be right.

Bad Starts For Some: Without looking, name the two teams that are already 10 games (or more) behind their respective division leaders.

Wait, That Shot Of Towers Can't Be From A Game: You're right. Towers is shown fielding a ground ball while playing second base during batting practice. Good eye.

The Curse Of The Magpie: He recalled that one year ago yesterday, we saw "one of 2005's most memorable games" as Roy Halladay shut down the Yankees in the Bronx. The difference between Roy Halladay's and Josh Towers' Game Scores in these two games would be a very high number -- if the 17-6 game actually happened, which it didn't.

David Bush Update: In a rare game that did happen this week, Bush gave up five runs and ten hits as the Brewers lost to the Cubs 6-2. Of course, Bush was going up against a guy who's been dominating this year. This Game Score was 35, bringing Bush's average down to 54, which is still higher than -- to pick a starter at random -- Josh Towers.

David Bush Reminder: Now seems like a good time to recall that Dave Bush was sent to AAA last year despite pitching way, way better than Towers has in 2006. The Jays can't send Towers down (out of options, I think) but it's worth pointing out that this team has demoted a winless starter who did well the previous year and they have demoted a pitcher stinking it up in April. Towers fits both of those categories.
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Dr. Zarco - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 10:31 AM EDT (#146056) #
On that David Bush note, he did something I found quite remarkable while I was watching Friday's game against the Cubs. He gave up all 10 hits with ZERO outs in their respective innings. Once he got just one out, he was perfect, but getting that first one seemed to be problematic. Pretty rare, I've never seen anything like it-10 hits too, not like it was 3 or 4 leadoff basehits in 8 innings.
Marc Hulet - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 10:57 AM EDT (#146057) #
There is no eary solution to the Towers problem, other than for him to come out of his funk. He cannot be optioned down as mentioned because he is out of options. If he is designated for assignment no team is going to claim him because they would have to assume his salary for the next two years. And even if the Jays do designate him, Towers has the option of becoming a free agent because he has been designated for assignment (by the Jays) in the past, which is one of those funny little rules. And there is no reason for him not to opt for free agency. He is still going to receive his entire contract from the Jays and the other 29 teams likely would be willing to give him a chance to be their No. 5 guy  because they would only have to pay him $300,000.
Leigh - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 11:32 AM EDT (#146058) #
Towers has pitched 20.7 innings.

In April 2005, Curt Schilling had an 8.15 ERA in 17.7 innings.
In April 2004, Barry Zito had a 6.83 ERA in 22 innings.
In April 2003, Randy Johnson had a 6.94 ERA in 23.3 innings.
In April 2002, C.C. Sabathia had a 6.82 ERA in 33 innings.
In April 2001, Javier Vazquez had a 6.60 ERA in 30 innings.
In April 2000, Roy Freakin' Halladay had a 10.57 ERA in 30.7 innings.


Rob - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 11:52 AM EDT (#146060) #
Oh, I don't agree with sending Towers down, Leigh, but I also didn't agree with the Frasor or Bush demotions. The fact that those were done under similar circumstances is the only point I was really making.
Named For Hank - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 11:56 AM EDT (#146061) #
Not that I'm in love with the Frasor demotion, but when you add in the information about the team wanting to add a fresh arm to the pen for the Yankee series, doesn't it make more sense?

Gibbons said it's not going to be for long.

Leigh - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 11:59 AM EDT (#146062) #
It was not directed at you, Rob.  It was more of a pre-emptive strike against  the 'sky is falling' talk that may appear later today in this very thread.  It also served as a reason for me to do a little bit of fun Sunday morning research.
Flex - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 12:06 PM EDT (#146063) #

You know, I've been having a quick look at the schedules of American League east teams, and it's amazing how tough the sked has been for Toronto compared to its rivals. Here's the breakdown of games played against teams that made the playoffs the previous season:

                   April   May
Toronto       14      15
Yankees       3         8
Red Sox        0         8

I mean, that's just not right. Of course, the positions of both the Red Sox and Yankees are automatically improved by not having to play themselves. All things considered, you have to be impressed by the way the Jays have risen to the challenge.
CaramonLS - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 12:14 PM EDT (#146064) #
Leigh, you do realise in that list you posted, Schil and Halladay both had pretty bad problems (which happen to be the 2 highest ERAs you posted) - Schilling goes on the DL for the rest of the season and Halladay gets optioned to A.

Having a mid 6 ERA, is a little different than having a 10.45 ERA.

Chuck - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 12:21 PM EDT (#146065) #
Towers has pitched 20.7 innings.

In April 2005, Curt Schilling had an 8.15 ERA in 17.7 innings.
In April 2004, Barry Zito had a 6.83 ERA in 22 innings.
In April 2003, Randy Johnson had a 6.94 ERA in 23.3 innings.
In April 2002, C.C. Sabathia had a 6.82 ERA in 33 innings.
In April 2001, Javier Vazquez had a 6.60 ERA in 30 innings.
In April 2000, Roy Freakin' Halladay had a 10.57 ERA in 30.7 innings.

You must concede that aside from RFH, who hadn't established himself by April 2000, all the others on the list had track records of success, or at the very least, high K/9 ratios that spoke to potential future success.

Bill James long ago did a study that cautioned against optimism for pitchers with low K/win ratios. Towers clearly falls into the guile family of pitchers.

Should the team panic? That would be premature. I'd give him a couple of more starts with long relief as his next role if he can't sort things out. But I don't think that Towers deserves to be on the list cited by Leigh as he doesn't fit the profile.
timpinder - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 12:37 PM EDT (#146066) #

Most people seem to think that Towers is just in some sort of slump that he's going to get out of, I even heard Mike Wilner say that on the radio.

Why?  It's not like he's been good for four years and now he's struggling a bit.  In my opinion, he had one good year, perhaps his career year, just like Hinske did.

His career ERA is 4.71 and his career WHIP is 1.37, and that's including the good year that he had last year.  He just isn't as good as the numbers he put up last year would indicate.  I don't think he's as bad as he's been so far this season, but I also don't think anyone should expect him to have a 3.71 ERA in the Majors ever again.  

 

Named For Hank - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 12:40 PM EDT (#146067) #
Since I can't think of anywhere else I'll use 'em, here are two more photographs of Josh Towers chasing after ground balls in BP:



     
jsut - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 12:45 PM EDT (#146068) #

They let Lilly keep pitching through his horrible start last year, and his was probably worse than bush's, though his record may not have been as bad thanks to timely hitting.  After 5 starts last year his ERA was 10.41.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?statsId=6223&year=2005

Pistol - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 12:51 PM EDT (#146069) #
when you add in the information about the team wanting to add a fresh arm to the pen for the Yankee series, doesn't it make more sense?

Well, that's just nothing but spin to me.  If Frasor pitched just as much, but was successful there wouldn't be a 'fresh arm' being called up.  Frasor hasn't gotten results, hasn't looked good, and apparently the team isn't interested in him working it out on the big club right now.
Leigh - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 01:05 PM EDT (#146070) #
You must concede that aside from RFH, who hadn't established himself by April 2000, all the others on the list had track records of success, or at the very least, high K/9 ratios that spoke to potential future success.

That is precisely the point.  If the greatest pitchers of our generation can post April ERAs in the 6.50 - 9.00 range without inducing Chicken Little syndrome, then why can't a guy (Towers) who is expected to be league average be extended the same prudent courtesy?
jjdynomite - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 02:03 PM EDT (#146071) #

...Because, Leigh, the track records of the other pitchers (besides Halladay) suggest that they would turn it around and/or had the stuff to turn it around (including Halladay).  Towers never had the track record nor stuff.  His 2005 is certainly starting to seem like an abberation.  And he still gave up 237 hits in 208 innings.

If Towers actually had options it is obvious he'd be down at Syracuse right now circa Doc in 2000.  His mental lapses finally extended to his fielding in yesterday's 1st.  A contending team cannot have someone every 5 days whom the opposition is smacking their lips to face.

Mike Green - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 03:03 PM EDT (#146073) #
I agree with Chuck.  Last year when Speier struggled in April, Gibbons moved him to a middle/long relief role.  That might have been appropriate for Frasor, and it would be for Towers, should he continue to struggle.  With Ryan, Speier, Schoeneweis and Chulk, there are plenty of short relief options.
Thomas - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 03:37 PM EDT (#146076) #
While watching the Mets game on TBS this afternoon because I don't get the Rogers Preview channel, I noticed that most of the Mets and some of the Braves appear to be wearing this new style of helmets. Does anyone know if these helmets are new and what the reasoning is behind them?
Thomas - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#146077) #
Here and here are a couple of pictures, to show you what I mean.
Geoff - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 03:48 PM EDT (#146078) #
They're all over the place. I've seen a few dozen of them on players of all teams, so I presume it's catching on with players to have the ventilation in the helmets. That's the apparent reason.

Doing a search turned up this.

Mike Green - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 04:25 PM EDT (#146080) #
Here's a fine piece in today's New York Times on Babe Ruth's last year in baseball. 
Named For Hank - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 05:21 PM EDT (#146081) #
Thomas, the Orioles and Devil Rays are also wearing the new helmets.

Leigh - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 06:28 PM EDT (#146082) #
Dear Mr. Dynomite,

Josh Towers does, in fact, have the base skills to make him a league average pitcher.  His miniscule walk rate covers his slight gopheritis and unimpressive strikeout rate in Radkesque fashion.

While I am certain that you will stand behind your little condescending retort, I will point out that last season, Towers' k/bb rate was 3.9, ranking him 12th in the majors (min. 150 IP).  Oswalt, Maddux and Buehrle were 13th, 14th and 15th, respectively.  Excellence in one of the base skills will cover up slight deficiencies in the others.

VBF - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 06:46 PM EDT (#146083) #

What is there to be gained by sending a pitcher down? I've never really understood this thinking that a team can send a pitcher down and hope that somehow they rediscover themselves. If anything, I'd want struggling pitchers to stay with the team in a role that doesn't hurt our chances to win ballgames, for the sole purpose that they would have the benefit of working with Brad Arnsberg. In this situation, I see little benefit that someone like Towers would have by being sent down if it was even possible.

I'm not pressing the panic button on the 2006 pitching just yet, but should Towers continue to crash and burn, what are the out-of-organization options that might be possibilities? I recall JP having some interest in John Thompson...

JB21 - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 07:30 PM EDT (#146084) #

What is there to be gained by sending a pitcher down?

Well for starters pitching AAA is a little less stressful ... so that gives the pitcher a change to work on some things without thousands of people writing what they think of his every move. The media in Toronto can be harsh at times, not too mention it sends a message for guys that regardless of how long they've been here to never get too comfortable, b/c this is a results hungry business.

Ron - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 07:51 PM EDT (#146085) #
Sending a player down can build confidence if they're successful. It's much easier to perform at a higher level if you're facing let's say the Indians farm team than the Indians lineup. I believe the Jays did this with Doc (although even if Towers was able to be sent down, I'm sure the Jays wouldn't send him to the A ball level).

I was disappointed todays game wasn't on tv. I could understand not wanting to show a Thursday 10am game vs. the Royals but a Sunday game vs. the Yanks? Sportsnet wasn't showing anything of interest at the time.
Jim - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 08:25 PM EDT (#146087) #

slight deficiencies

Coming into 2006 in 557 major league innings Towers has struck out 4.46 per 9.  That is a pretty glaring deficiency. 

Towers had everything come together in 2005, his walk and home run rates were below his career averages, while his strikeout rate was above his career average.  It is worth noting that even though his ERA was solid he did still manage to give up 237 hits in 208 innings.  I've been down on Towers since he got to Toronto, he needs to walk too fine a line to be effective for my taste.  Even I don't expect him to keep pitching as badly as he has but if he ever puts together another 200 inning 120 ERA+ season I'd be shocked.

Jim - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 08:35 PM EDT (#146088) #

What is there to be gained by sending a pitcher down?

In the case of Towers it would keep the Jays from surrendering a half dozen runs by the fourth inning every fifth day. 

If anything, I'd want struggling pitchers to stay with the team in a role that doesn't hurt our chances to win ballgames,

Managers don't want pitchers that they can't use in games.  Teams seem to think that they NEED 12 pitchers.  No manager can keep two pitchers around he can't use in a game with the level of offense we are seeing in early 2006.

I see little benefit that someone like Towers would have by being sent down if it was even possible.

He would probably gain nothing.  Towers is a stark example of the difference between the minors and the majors.  In the majors his HR rate doubles from .75 to 1.50 and he loses 2 strikeouts per 9 from 6.5 to 4.5.  That's the difference between being effective and being yet another contract mistake by Riccardi.

This team is built to win now.  The minor league system is one of the worst in baseball.  If this team doesn't win in 2006 or 2007 then it's going to be time for a complete teardown.  If Jason Frasor can't get people out then it's back to Syracuse while the big team holds auditions until it can find someone that can.  If Josh Towers is going to pitch like this all season then he'll be sitting in the bullpen waiting for a blowout situation that Pete Walker is unavailable for. 

 

 

Mike Green - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 08:57 PM EDT (#146089) #
Towers'  2004-05 FIP was 4.40.  His 2004-05 ERA was 4.41.  He was 22-21 over those 2 years with a club which scored fewer runs than this one.  He is striking out 10-11% of the batters he faces this year as he did in 2004-05.  The major differences between this year so far and past years is that he is surrendering homers on 22% of his fly balls, and a significant loss of control.  He's always had excellent control, and assuming that he is able to regain that, there is no reason to expect that he won't perform at about the same level as 2004-05.

The long-term worry with Towers is that his K rate will drop further.

Leigh - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 10:29 PM EDT (#146091) #
That's the difference between being effective and being yet another contract mistake by Riccardi.

The quality of the decision to sign Towers has nothing to do with how well he pitches.  When the decision was originally made, it was either a good risk or a poor risk; either way, any factors that influence the efficacy of the signing have already come to pass.  He could be out of baseball tomorrow or win three straight Cy Young Awards and neither of those things would inform the quality of Ricciardi's decision to sign him.

For the purposes of evaluating the process, the outcome is irrelevant.
Named For Hank - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 11:11 PM EDT (#146092) #
That's the difference between being effective and being yet another contract mistake by Riccardi.

"Yet another" would imply that there are a lot of 'em.  Hinske, sure, he flamed out after winning Rookie of the Year.  Koskie was a major injury risk and got majorly injured, and effectively the team had to pay for the privelege of replacing him with Troy Glaus.  Those two are officially bad (though I really don't think locking up a RoY winner is ever a particularly bad or risky idea).  Towers has had a bad month, but the jury is obviously still out on him.  Burnett has missed much of April, but one month into a five-year contract is a little soon to evaluate it. 

So I've thought of two.  What other ones are on your "yet another" list?  What percentage have to be bad for a GM to earn a "yet another contract mistake", like it's a regular occurance?
Thomas - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 11:15 PM EDT (#146093) #
I don't know ifKoskie was a mistake when he was signed. If he keeps up what he's currently doing for Milwaukee, which is what his career stats (excluding last year) suggest he can, I'd argue he's worth his money.
Ron - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 11:27 PM EDT (#146094) #
By mistake are we talking about after the fact or at the time?

For example I would argue the Hinske long term deal at the time was the correct move. After his rookie season he sure looked like he had the potential to be a future all-star and a clubhouse leader. Looking at the contract at the present time, I would have to say it was a mistake by JP.


Named For Hank - Sunday, April 30 2006 @ 11:49 PM EDT (#146096) #
Ron, I'd suppose that either are acceptable if you're trying to compile a list that contains a lot of contract mistakes.

And I agree with you and Thomas, I personally wouldn't call either Koskie or Hinske's contracts foolhardy just because they didn't pan out.  I'm just trying to understand the thinking behind Jim's comment.
Jonny German - Monday, May 01 2006 @ 08:52 AM EDT (#146101) #

I would argue the Hinske long term deal at the time was the correct move.... Looking at the contract at the present time, I would have to say it was a mistake by JP.

See, to some of us this makes absolutely no sense. Either a move is a good move, or it is a bad move. JP only made the decision to sign Hinske once - How can he have been both correct and incorrect? If you want to say that signing Hinske was a good idea at the time but it has worked out badly, I totally agree. That's a whole different thing than saying it was a mistake.

Signing Wells was a good move that has worked out well. The Pirates letting Shelton go in the Rule 5 draft was a bad move that worked out badly for them. The Twins signing Tony Batista was a bad move that, thus far, has worked out pretty well for them.

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