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I was at the game tonight, so let me tell you how it went.

Gus was sharp, Ali G had a clutch hit, Jays win...

Are there any lessons can we take away from the opening series?

From three games? Are you kidding? Beyond...

Now don't be sad
Cause two out of three ain't bad...

Nothing comes to my mind, anyway. So let me tell you what happened to me on my way to the game. I was cycling south on Spadina, as is my custom when travelling to the ball park. I passed King Street and saw ahead of me two policemen on horseback. They had stopped and were talking with an individual, standing near the curb, looking up, up, up at the mounted riders. And so I pulled out to pass, and the thought occurred:

I am passing a horse.

Which was a new thought. A genuine first for me. You live long enough, kids, and there's no telling what new thoughts you find yourself thinking.

Horses, when you get quite close to them, turn out to be rather large animals, and I didn't exactly have a lot of room to work with. I remember hoping that he wasn't the type of thoroughbred that might get spooked by a wheeled rider zipping past on his left flank.

Happily, the beast took no notice of me whatsoever.

As you have probably figured out by now, there was very little of interest in the Pre-Game Notes that I could share with you. Carlos Silva's control numbers do go well beyond impressive. His 0.43 walks per 9 IP last season broke the AL record set by Cy Young himself back in 1904. Silva walked just 9 guys in 188.1 IP - he walked 1 man in April (and that was intentional), and two batters in each of May, June, July, and August.

So naturally tonight both Russ Adams and Eric Hinske coaxed a base on balls from Silva - the first time he's walked two batters in the same game since late 2004.

The most interesting item gleaned from the Blue Jays notes was the curious fact that for the first time in team history, the Blue Jays did not have a single rookie on the 25 man Opening Day roster. Brian Tallet, evidently, is not a rookie. Too much service time, I presume.

I thought briefly about nicknames. We have some new guys, we have some holdovers who still don't really have anything satisfactory. I am convinced that if your team has a guy named Troy who hits the Homer... man, there ought to be something there. I'm tempted to start calling him "Hector," anyway.

I have the new Jays Media Guide to report on - perhaps, at my leisure (leisure? what a concept!) I'll go exploring its nooks and crannies for interesting bits. This book, by the way, gets better looking every year.

The first thing I do, always, is to look at the All Time pitching and hitting leaders. Well, actually, this year I read the fine tribute to Tom Cheek first (he graces the cover, of course) - and then I went to the franchise leaders. Where are the active players?

Not on the hitting lists, I can tell you that. Vernon Wells will crack the top 10 in multiple categories this summer, barring catastrophe. But as far as the counting stats go - Wells is 10th in Sac Flys and Reed Johnson is tied for 6th in being Hit by the Pitch. Shannon Stewart is much more prominent on these lists than any current Blue Jay.

Doc is moving steadily up the pitching lists. But the most startling number of all was on the All-Time Saves leaders. Where Miguel Batista stands 6th in franchise history.

How about that?


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VBF - Thursday, April 06 2006 @ 11:48 PM EDT (#144560) #

When BJ Ryan enters the game the crowd goes bananas. The combination of Duality, the fiery ribbon boards and his general God-like presents really sets an awesome 9th inning atmosphere.

I was rather puzzled at Phillips starting. Is there a particularily good reason for this that I was missing other than Silva being a righty? Seems to me that since Batista is gone, Chacin needs a mentor and Molina would seem to be a nice fit.

Rumour has it Bengie ate quite a bit at the Welcome Back Luncheon so that's clearly the only logical explanation.

Magpie - Thursday, April 06 2006 @ 11:53 PM EDT (#144561) #
As the logical day to rest Molina would be either Friday night or Saturday afternoon, one must assume that Gibbons wants Molina catching Downs and Lilly. Only reason I can think of.
Rob - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 12:16 AM EDT (#144563) #
Top 9 in saves, career: Henke, (big gap) Ward, Koch, (another big drop) Escobar, Timlin, Batista, McLaughlin, Jackson, Myers.

I did not go all the way to #10 because I've never heard of him in my life and I wanted to see if anyone could name him. 20 saves as a Blue Jay, and it's obviously not one of those guys above. Anyone? Anyone not named Daniel McIlroy?

VBF - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 12:31 AM EDT (#144566) #

There's two reasons why crowds appear smaller.

1) There used to be  outfield sections on the 200 level outfield where tickets were sold for 9 dollars per game. These sections were always well filled, but there were abolished this year so the outfield seats are looking rather empty.

2) I've been at all three games so far and have sat in the same seats. The crowd today was no smaller than yesterday and certainly MUCH larger than any 16,000 crowd in the last three years. I think the figures have been a tad under the actual attendance. Why? I have no clue, but it wouldn't be the first time.

3) There isn't anything to be ashamed about in our attendance. Here's league wide attendance from yesterday rounded down to the thousand:

NYM: 19,000
Milwaukee: 15,000
KC: 11,000
Phillidephia: 18,000
Seattle: 21,000 (and during the highlights looked much less)
Baltimore: 16,000

This isn't just us, but it's everyone. The crowd today wasn't totally dead, Chacin got a nice ovation and BJ got a good one too.

Ron - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 01:07 AM EDT (#144572) #
- It does appear attendance is pretty low in a lot of other cities. I'm sure the Jays will get a big crowd for Russ Adams t-shirt day!!!

- The answer to the saves leader question is Darren Hall. He pitched for the Dodgers a few years back.

Some call me Tim - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 01:17 AM EDT (#144573) #
My guess for the 10th spot on the saves list was Darren Hall.  I confess I did confirm on Baseball Reference that I was right before posting my guess.  I'm not sure why I remembered the name, because he wasn't with the Jays long.  I think it's because he was a real underdog story.  He wasn't on anyone's radar in Spring Training, but because one of those feel good for the rookie who finally made it to the show.  According to Baseball Reference, he came up at the age of 29 in 1994 and got 17 saves that year, 3 the next.  He had a total of 2 more after that in 3 years with the Dodgers.
King Ryan - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 01:31 AM EDT (#144575) #
Re: Vernon making the top ten in several categories...

Vernon is:

162 hits back of 10th place Olerud.
278 TB's back of 8th place Stewart.
77 runs back of 9th place Olerud.
17 doubles behind 9th place Upshaw.
40 HR's behind 5th place Moseby.  (I can dream...)
123 RsBI back of 7th place Whitt. 

Also, Eric Hinske only needs 101 more strikeouts to pass Devon White for 9th in Blue Jays history!

Good game today.  Chacin looked as good as I've seen him; he was very efficient and impressive.  He threw 60 of his 88 pitches for strikes and walked less batters than Carlos Silva! I hope a lot of us were very wrong about him in 2004.

...(thank you)...

China fan - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 04:23 AM EDT (#144579) #

   There are strong hints in both the Star and the Globe today that the Jays might find a "creative" way to juggle their roster to keep Jason Phillips on the team after Zaun returns.  It would be great to have him stay on the team -- he's obviously a useful hitter and a good catcher -- but I'm scratching my head over the logistics of it.  Anyone have any ideas on how they could do it??  Is it maybe a hint that Hinske (or maybe Cat) could be traded or dumped soon??   The other option is to go with 11 pitchers, but the Jays have never shown any inclination to do that.  They've already had minor injuries to Burnett and Lilly this year, so 11 pitchers would be risky.   I can't think of any other way to sneak Phillips onto the team, so I'm wondering if maybe a deal to dump Hinske is close to being worked out.  That's just my idle speculation, but how else could they keep Phillips? 

    On a lighter note, Phillips got a pie in the face from Vernon Wells after the game.  It would be rather cruel to do that to him and then put him on waivers, wouldn't it??   Again, reading between the lines, that would seem to be a "welcome" pie, rather than a "goodbye" pie, wouldn't you think?  Players aren't cruel enough to pie a guy who is on the verge of being dumped from the team, are they??

     Here's the link to the Star article on the pie and the possible roster juggling:

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1144360212359&call_pageid=969907739730&col=970081600908

  

Jim - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 07:34 AM EDT (#144584) #

Jays are notorious for announcing tickets sold rather than turnstile numbers

It's an American League rule.  I don't know if the National League has switched to this accounting, for years the leagues differed.

 

John Northey - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 08:12 AM EDT (#144585) #
Time to get excited, the Jays are now in first place, ahead of the Yankees and tied with the Red Sox!

Of course, we have only played 3 games and the Jays are also tied with Baltimore while the Devil Rays are just one back.

Note: Pittsburgh is off to the worst start thus far at 0-4 while Phillie is 0-3 and KC is 0-2.  Best is the Tigers (!) at 3-0, the same as Milwaukee and St Louis.  Always fun to see how long we can go before everyone has a win and a loss.

zeppelinkm - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 08:38 AM EDT (#144587) #

Was anyone surprised by that ball that Vernon bobbled when charging in during the 7th? It ultimately led to Chacin's removal and added a run. I've come to expect that kind of play as routine. One thing that seemed to me is that Wells likes to showboat a bit, and probably could have made that catch on his two feet, as I think the quasi-dive threw off his coordination (the ball hit the heel of his glove) and caused the miss. He had a made a catch just an out or two earlier where he took a little tumble after the catch, and I thought the same thing then too "why don't you just stay on your feet?"

Either way, still a great effort from the Jays all around. Chacin did all you can hope for. You get a feel when you see Adams and Hill contributing that these guys have a very solid line from top to bottom. I love these Jays!

Pistol - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 08:48 AM EDT (#144589) #

I don't think players think too hard about who's staying and who's going.  Phillips has been around the team since the beginning of spring training and has obviously fit in as evidenced by the pie.

The Sun article on Phillips seemed to think that it wasn't likely that he would stick around after Zaun returns.  I'm not sure why he'd be kept around with both Zaun and Molina on the team.  His defensive reputation isn't very good and he's not much of a hitter.  The past two years he has hit .218/.298/.326 and .238/.287/.363 in over 800 plate appearences.

Phillips was a good option when the Jays only had Zaun and Quiroz (especially since he hits lefties well), but once the Jays signed Molina he's the third catcher on a team that only needs two. 

MulRedux - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 09:04 AM EDT (#144591) #

I just watched the Wells video and have trouble believing he was showboating on either of those plays. I haven't seen much past history of Wells diving for the sake of diving, at least to my eye, and usually when he *does* dive he comes up with the ball. There was that one Oscar moment two seasons ago (I think) where Wells dove to make a catch and missed but while rolling over came up with the ball and showed it to the ump who promptly called "out". I want to say it was against the Orioles but don't remember for sure.

As far as Phillips goes, a team with five outfielders and twelve pitchers simply can't carry three catchers, especially one of seemingly limited talent (nice hit last night notwithstanding). Nothing makes more sense upon Zaunie's return than Phillips being placed on waivers.

HoJu - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 09:06 AM EDT (#144592) #
Speaking of Batista, career high 11 strikeouts in his return to Arizona. Not too shabby.
Jordan - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 09:20 AM EDT (#144596) #
The best thing about BJ Ryan so far is his pace on the mound. He fires the ball in, gets it back from the catcher, and toes the rubber immediately, ready to go again. I've never seen a pitcher work that quickly, not even Mitch Williams (for whom it was probably a nervous tic, related to a deep-seated fear of the having the ball in his possession). The contrast with Miguel Batista is particularly refreshing: Ryan retired the side last night in the time it would take Batista to (a) look into the catcher (b) shake off a call (c) shake off another call (d) decide on a pitch (e) step off the rubber and look at the baserunner (f) get back on the rubber (g) look into the catcher again (h) get into the set position (i) throw over to first base (j) get the ball back from the first baseman (k) get back on the rubber (l) get into the set position (m) bounce a pitch off the plate (n) get the ball back from the catcher (o) walk around the back of the mound, and (p) get back on the mound for the next pitch. Every day that takes us further from that era is a happy day for me.
Jordan - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 09:30 AM EDT (#144599) #
Oh, and while I'm thinking if it: now that he's going under the knife for a second time, I don't expect we'll be hearing as many laments about how the Blue Jays failed to acquire Eric Gagne when they "had the chance."
Ski - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 09:36 AM EDT (#144602) #

The contrast with Miguel Batista is particularly refreshing: Ryan retired the side last night in the time it would take Batista to (a) look into the catcher (b) shake off a call (c) shake off another call (d) decide on a pitch (e) step off the rubber and look at the baserunner (f) get back on the rubber (g) look into the catcher again (h) get into the set position (i) throw over to first base (j) get the ball back from the first baseman (k) get back on the rubber (l) get into the set position (m) bounce a pitch off the plate (n) get the ball back from the catcher (o) walk around the back of the mound, and (p) get back on the mound for the next pitch. Every day that takes us further from that era is a happy day for me.

Agreed, but you forgot Batista's frequent "Deer in the Headlights" look as he loaded the bases with one out (usually a weak pop up), and his profuse sweating...inside the RC...when the roof was closed.

Heraclitus - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 09:45 AM EDT (#144604) #

Speaking of things at the Dome...

For those that didn't make it out to the opening series, amongst the changes this year the Jays have re-done their "Level of Excellence", removing the tarp-like things with the names and numbers up by the hotel windows and replacing them with a smaller display below the private boxes. It looks good, and more refined than it used to be.

One question though: Where's Jackie Robinson? His name's not on on the new level of excellence, and I couldn't see his 42 hanging anywhere.

VBF - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 10:01 AM EDT (#144609) #

I'd have to disagree and say that the Jays are notorious for announcing tickets sold rather than turnstile numbers.

As mentioned, that is an AL rule, however the time I was speaking of was most noticeably at Doc's 22nd win in 2003 when the 100 and 200 had been sold out and the 500 was very full looking. The attendance that game was 21,000.

I don't know if the whole weather thing really does turn off alot of fans in open air stadiums. I think it has more to do with it being an April game and people still having work, and school. Safeco had a weak 21,000. Let's give things a chance.

Sorry if I sound abrasive, but I sure hope the people moaning about attendance live far away because they really have no excuse to be lying on the couch watching the game if they live in Toronto and still complain about attendance.

And yes, Slipknot does sing Duality.

Jobu - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 11:35 AM EDT (#144617) #

mulredux-

That game was in Texas. What made it even better (and one of my all time favourite Blue Jay memories) is after the replay, after they show the ball CLEARLY hitting the floor and Vernon scooping it up with his back to the ump, the camera cuts back to Vernon in the outfield who makes the "shush" sign to whoever is playing LF with the biggest smile on his face.  I thought it was such a great baseball moment, to be paid millions of dollars but realize, they're just playing a game after all and having fun with it.

Jacko - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 11:36 AM EDT (#144620) #
The contrast with Miguel Batista is particularly refreshing: Ryan retired the side last night in the time it would take Batista to (a) look into the catcher (b) shake off a call (c) shake off another call (d) decide on a pitch (e) step off the rubber and look at the baserunner (f) get back on the rubber (g) look into the catcher again (h) get into the set position (i) throw over to first base (j) get the ball back from the first baseman (k) get back on the rubber (l) get into the set position (m) bounce a pitch off the plate (n) get the ball back from the catcher (o) walk around the back of the mound, and (p) get back on the mound for the next pitch. Every day that takes us further from that era is a happy day for me.

Slow worker or not, Batista sure had a nice start in Colorado last night:

7 IP, 4 H, 2BB, 11 (!) K

All done with an economical pitch count of 99.

Too bad I benched him in favour of Loaiza, who was having trouble breaking 90 with his fastball...



SK in NJ - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 11:43 AM EDT (#144624) #

Batista is so much more valuable as a starter. Last night's start aside (he's not THAT good), Batista is a league average starter with 180-200 IP potential. He doesn't have the command to pitch in high leverage one inning roles, but stretch him out to 6-7 innings, and it's less of a concern. Why the Jays decided to waste that in the bullpen is beyond me. At least the Jays were able to turn Batista into an even greater asset (Glaus).

One thing I like about Ryan, at least on opening day, was the way he riled up the crowd. It was a great atmosphere in the ninth where the fans were expecting the strike out, instead of dreading the result (like with Batista, Koch, etc). I didn't see last night's game, but with 16,000 in attendance, I would assume the atmosphere was not anywhere near April 4.

daryn - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 11:45 AM EDT (#144626) #
--  This isn't just us, but it's everyone. The crowd today wasn't totally dead, Chacin got a nice ovation and BJ got a good one too.

Actually from the game on TV, I was pleased to notice the crowd cheering for batters and getting into the excitment with 2 strikes... I hope we keep it up!
Named For Hank - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 11:57 AM EDT (#144628) #
From down in the camera bay last night, the crowd was positively electric when Ryan came out.  They were far more into the game throughout than at any point last year.
John Northey - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 12:22 PM EDT (#144631) #
Funny, I didn't notice a Jackie Robinson banner anywhere either.  IMO the universal number retiring was a bit silly and if it slowly disappears I won't complain.  With Wayne Gretzky it made sense as he was closely associated with #99, but before the number was retired I had no idea what number Robinson wore.  I sure knew who he was and why he should be remembered, but that number retirement just seemed to be another Bud stunt.
Mick Doherty - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 12:25 PM EDT (#144633) #

Best is the Tigers (!) at 3-0

And on pace (the greatest and worst words of the early baseball season are "on pace") to slam 756 homers this year. That's a nice number, exactly one more than Hank hammered in 23 seasons.

 

Bruce Wrigley - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 12:38 PM EDT (#144635) #

I sure knew who he was and why he should be remembered, but that number retirement just seemed to be another Bud stunt.

A simple sign of respect, surely?

John Northey - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 02:00 PM EDT (#144654) #
There have been many signs of respect to Jackie Robinson.  If number retirement by the entire league is required then the line for that is very, very long.  After all, one could easily argue baseball as we know it wouldn't exist today without Babe Ruth (#3).  There is a movement in the Caribbean to get Roberto Clemente's #21 retired due to his humanitarian efforts mixed with his playing time.  Maybe Ted Williams after serving his country in two wars and losing playing time due to that.

I think most get the idea here.  Once you start something like this it just balloons.  Hockey gets away with it due to Gretzky being (probably) the best ever, the biggest spokesman for the game ever, biggest gate attraction ever, and being strongly identified with his number - I haven't heard anyone say 'lets retire Bobby Orr's number throughout the league' for example.  Plus his number was retired the day he retired.  Jackie Robinson's number is still worn by anyone who was wearing it before it was 'retired' plus Robinson had passed away years before they got around to honouring him this way.  To me there is no logic at all in the retirement of his number, especially in cities like Toronto where MLB didn't exist until years after he retired.  Did a single person (outside of MLB offices) ask for it before it was done?  Did anyone ever think 'wow, great idea'?

Rant over.
Heraclitus - Friday, April 07 2006 @ 02:35 PM EDT (#144659) #

Well, I'm certainly not the one with the ammo to give a cogent argument why the Jays should be eager -- and proud! -- to honour the likes of Jackie Wilson. Especially since the first reason that pops into my head is that he's the subject of the jauntiest song ever written in tribute to a ballplayer.

But as to the logic of  retiring his number "in cities like Toronto where MLB didn't exist until years after he retired", I would note that, to a certain extent now the Jays represent all of Canada, and Robinson is a member of the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame, for whatever that's worth. By holding a franchise, we're taking part in the whole thing that is the history of baseball -- that's part of the fun of it.

Granted, there could be all sorts of universal tributes to people that have transcended the game in one way or another, but setting aside the whole issue of whether or not honouring his number is "deserved", I just thought it was funny to not see it there, given that it is retired throughout the league.

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