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After an off-day yesterday the Jays play the Pirates this evening and now it's time for the players to get ready for the season to start. The Jays have nine games left against major league teams and two against the Syracuse Skychiefs before the regular season starts.

Spring training gives the pitchers a chance to get their arms ready for the regular season. The starting pitchers have worked their way up to pitching five or six innings and the relievers are ready to go. With eleven games left most of the starters will take to the mound two more times to fine tune their arsenal.

Most of the minor leaguers have been sent to minor league camp so the players for the 25 man roster will get lots of playing time over the next week and a half. Players will now try to get themselves ready for the season ahead, they are almost there physically, they need to fine tune their approach and get ready mentally for the long season ahead.

There is not much left to see at camp. The Jays have been losing more winning, it would be nice to reverse that trend.

The Jays have not been scoring a lot of runs in spring training, the bats need to come around before the season starts.

There is possibly only one uncertainty left in camp, how will AJ Burnett fit into the rotation?

The next ten days will also see manager John Gibbons settle on a lineup.

What are you looking to see in the next eleven days?
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TexMex - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 09:40 AM EST (#143191) #
With regards to Gibbons lineup I'm hoping he'll place
Rios in the lineup where he'll have less pressure and be
able to develope his warning track power. Other than that
I'm looking forward to seeing Troy in the lineup and Vernon
laying off pitches over the batters circle. Go Jays!
Marc Hulet - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 09:54 AM EST (#143193) #
The games against Syracuse will certainly not be a cake walk. The triple-A club has been kicking butt this spring. Hopefully this will carry over to the regular season and Syracuse fans (and management) will finally get the division winner they have been screaming for...
Pistol - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 11:12 AM EST (#143195) #
I saw in the box score that Tallet pitched an inning in relief yesterday. I would have guessed they would have him starting in Syracuse, but since he went just an inning perhaps they see him as a reliever?
VBF - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 11:27 AM EST (#143197) #
I'm interested in seeing how this lineup fizzles out. Things to consider:

Against RHP:

Adams L
Catalanotto L
Overbay L?
Glaus R
Wells R?
Hinske L?
Hillenbrand R?
Zaun S
Hill L

Do you start the lineup with three lefties, or do you stick Vernon in the three spot who had a .689 OPS against righties last year?

So if you do go with the three lefties in a row, does it make sense to put Hinske in the sixth spot who hits righties fairly well and Hillenbrand in the seventh?



Geoff - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 11:30 AM EST (#143198) #
Hill L?

Is he switching to avoid getting hit by pitches?
VBF - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 11:44 AM EST (#143201) #
Eck, sorry about that. That considered, what about Hill leading off against righties and sticking Vernon in the three spot. Then after Glaus, you can go lefty, righty, lefty with Overbay, Hillenbrand, Hinske.
jjdynomite - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 01:17 PM EST (#143204) #
Does the 2nd spot have to be reserved for someone relatively speedy (or at least, not slow as molasses?)

Wouldn't it make sense for to have Overbay's hitting-for-extra-bases potential to be in 2nd, therefore setting the table for Wells and Glaus?

Just asking.
Geoff - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 02:04 PM EST (#143206) #
I like the lineup with the three lefties, Gibbons could easily substitute Reed in for Cat when he wanted a better matchup, and if necessary, put Rios in for Overbay against a lefty and move Hinske or Shea to 1B. Although it would hurt the 1B defense, it would improve the outfield.
Geoff - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 02:11 PM EST (#143207) #
Of course, moving Shea from DH to 1B would kill the DH. But then if the other manager kept or reserved a lefty to face Hinske, it would have been nice to have a guy like Craig Wilson rather than Molina on the team to bring in.

Methinks Gibbons is going to look like LaRussa in his liberal use of the bench this year. Most Substitutions by a Blue Jay Manager Ever.
Geoff - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 02:12 PM EST (#143208) #
For the Soriano-obsessed: he's going to left
Nigel - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 02:56 PM EST (#143209) #
He's going to stand in left field, whether he will actually play there is another thing. An 0 for 30 start and a bunch of botched plays to start the season wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Mike Green - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 03:05 PM EST (#143211) #
Overbay hits lefties reasonably well. There would not be occasion to pinch-hit for him with Rios. If Rios develops at all offensively, then he's clearly an everyday ballplayer. If he doesn't and a decision is made to platoon him, then he's not a better hitter against lefties than Overbay.
dp - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 03:15 PM EST (#143212) #
espn rates the Jays bench as one of the best in the league:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?id=2376779
robertdudek - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 05:14 PM EST (#143220) #
Wells is going to bat third and Glaus cleanup.
jsut - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 06:57 PM EST (#143226) #
i like to read things like this:

HOME RUNS: TOR - VERNON WELLS (1) OFF IAN SNELL IN THE 1ST
Waveburner - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 07:51 PM EST (#143228) #
Wells is not a good enough hitter for the 3 spot. Unless he miraculously reverts to 2003 that is. Otherwise Gibbons will be making a major mistake IMO.
Magpie - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 09:20 PM EST (#143231) #
Methinks Gibbons is going to look like LaRussa in his liberal use of the bench this year. Most Substitutions by a Blue Jay Manager Ever.

He can't if he's carrying 12 pitchers, and that appears to be the plan. So it looks like the bench will be Gregg Zaun, John McDonald, and the two outfielders not in the starting lineup.

People complain that the DH kills strategy. It doesn't, but that's not the point. Nothing so limits a manager's freedom to make moves than the lack of options, and nothing reduces those options more than carrying 12 pitchers.

Which is why, I believe, managers like to carry 12 pitchers. They want to reduce the number of decisions they have to make. If you don't have any choice, you don't have to fret and worry, no one can criticize and no one can second-guess.

Anyway, it is surely obvious that a constitutional amendment is required forbidding any team from carrying more than 10 pitchers on their active rosters...

Mike Forbes - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 10:19 PM EST (#143232) #
I'm really liking the looks of BJ Ryan's line tonight... 1 IP, 3 K's... Now that's how a real closer does it.
garth - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 10:34 PM EST (#143233) #
I want to see Overbay start to hit. He is sitting with a .147 batting average and only 1 extra base hit.

- Good to see that adams hasn't had an error in over a week

- Who will be the Syracuse catcher if a call up is needed.

- Where does Baldwin play - Toronto or Syracuse

- Will Towers be the 2005 or 2004 version

- How Bush/Gross/Koskie do with the breweres
China fan - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 10:58 PM EST (#143235) #
I'm a first-time poster, so I'll restrict myself to some minor observations and questions, based on the spring-training stats so far. My source is the stats on the official Jays website, which might be slightly out-of-date and perhaps doesn't include all games.
1) Dustin McGowan only had two IP this spring before being sent to the minor-league camp. Seems rather odd for the prospect who is supposed to be closest to major-league readiness. Any ideas why? (The 31.50 ERA didn't help, of course.)
2) Looking at the AB totals for all batters at camp, two of the three highest AB totals have gone to Kevin Barker (a 30-year-old first-baseman who split the year between Syracuse and New Hampshire last year) and Luis Figueroa (a 32-year-old shortstop). Barker hit well last year, but his age makes it unlikely that he has much of a future in the majors. Why so many ABs to these two?
3) Prior to the 2 innings in tonight's game, Pete Walker had a total of only 3 IP this spring. Last year, you'll recall, he was given several starts in spring training. Is this a hint that he is considered less important to the Jays this year? Scott Downs has clearly overtaken him as the spot starter.

iains - Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 11:50 PM EST (#143237) #
I was just reading the article on Canoe about how the Jays don't have a real lead off man for the coming season. So I'm going to put forward a nutty proposition. How about playing Zaun leadoff? The OBP is there at .355 and he sees more than 4 pitches per plate appearance and only Overbay and Glaus out walked him last year. Since this club doesn't run much speed really an issue either.
andrewkw - Thursday, March 23 2006 @ 05:47 AM EST (#143242) #
I like the idea of Zaun batting leadoff when he's playing. Would anyone here like to explain why its a good idea Dustin McGowan is being sent to the bullpen... in syracuse. Maybe if Ryan wasn't signed he would be an option as a closer but since that shouldn't be a problem for at least 5 years I don't see how this move is good at all. Someone is going to have to replace Lilly in 07 and Towers in 08

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5436738 scroll to the bottem
Dave Till - Thursday, March 23 2006 @ 07:01 AM EST (#143243) #
Magpie: my guess is that the Jays want 12 pitchers because of the Burnett situation: if he's healthy, he won't be going deep into games for a while.

And I'm not too worried about having a short bench. The only in-game lineup changes Gibbons is likely to want are:

- Swapping an outfielder to get the platoon advantage
- Putting in Sparky, Rios, or McDonald as a late-inning defensive sub
- Pinch-hitting for Adams (and I hope Adams will hit well enough not to need this)

The current bench allows him to do all of these things.
greenfrog - Thursday, March 23 2006 @ 08:46 AM EST (#143246) #
Does this mean we're likely to lose Quiroz on waivers?
Pistol - Thursday, March 23 2006 @ 08:47 AM EST (#143247) #
"Would anyone here like to explain why its a good idea Dustin McGowan is being sent to the bullpen... in Syracuse."

Apparently because he's now left handed.
Jim - Thursday, March 23 2006 @ 09:11 AM EST (#143249) #
Where does Baldwin play - Toronto or Syracuse If James Baldwin makes this team, I'm out. I'll find something else to do this summer.
Marc Hulet - Thursday, March 23 2006 @ 09:27 AM EST (#143250) #
The only way Baldwin has even a remote chance of starting the year in Toronto is if Burnett is on the DL and Downs is in the rotation.

If Quiroz is lost on waivers, the Jays will still have insurance at triple-A: Jason Phillips (MLB experience), Mike Mahoney (MLB experience), and John Schneider (gold glove potential, no bat). They actually have fairly good depth in that area... none of theses guys are going to be regulars but Toronto already has two catchers at the MLB level who can be the No. 1 if needed.

braden - Thursday, March 23 2006 @ 09:47 AM EST (#143252) #
This is now the second reference to McGowan preferring to pitch out of the bullpen. While his results have been much better pitching in relief, I still can't see this being a permanent role, especially given Ryan's status as the closer for the forseeable future.



Jonny German - Thursday, March 23 2006 @ 10:05 AM EST (#143253) #
nothing reduces those options more than carrying 12 pitchers.

Unless of course you're Carlos Tosca, in which case you treat the fans to 5-pitcher innings. Long live Gibby!

Geoff - Thursday, March 23 2006 @ 11:26 AM EST (#143257) #
Apparently because he's now left handed.

McGowan too? First Hill, now McGowan!

Who's converting these guys to the sinister side? I bet it's Schoeneweis. Next thing you know Doc is going to chuck it with his south paw.

rtcaino - Thursday, March 23 2006 @ 05:50 PM EST (#143263) #
I do find it bizarre that Rosenthal claims that McGowan may be headed for the pen. This is the second time that I have heard such a rumor, the only other time being in Baseball Prospectus. I find it weird that none of the local papers would mention anything. Furthermore, I for one have not seen any direct quotes indicating such a preference existed on the part of McGowan, or that such an inclination existed on the part of JP. Have I missed anything?

At any rate, there is still a good chance that McGowan can develop into a front line starter. And because of that, it doesn’t make sense to me to put him in the pen just yet. If he is starting this year, then he can still develop into a great arm out of the pen later on. I don’t see there being an opportunity cost there. However, if he’s in the pen this year, chances are he will not develop into a starter. At very least I would give him a chance to put it together as a starter, and perhaps later on make the switch.

I also am surprised that Rosenthal would call McGowan a lefty and Downs a righty. Seems like a lazy sort of mistake.
Waveburner - Thursday, March 23 2006 @ 06:28 PM EST (#143264) #
McGowan to the pen would be incredibly disappointing and a big waste of talent IMO. We don't need a closer, we spent like $50 million on one. All of the other power arms in the system are pretty much guarenteed to pitch out of the pen-Rosario, League, Purcey, Perkins. And considering JP seems more likely to draft my sister than a high-ceiling power pitcher, the chances of a pitcher other than McGowan coming through the Jays system to be a frontline starter seems awfully remote. Although maybe JP will finally take even one or two risks in the upcoming draft? One can hope. Not a big fan of the college-or-bust draft philosophy. Focusing more on college players certainly makes sense to me, but not to the complete and total exclusion of high school talent in the early rounds. I hope the report turns out to be false.
Geoff - Thursday, March 23 2006 @ 09:27 PM EST (#143265) #
The same dilemma is happening in the Twins camp for Johan Santana's twin, Francisco Liriano.

Of course, Santana got his feet wet as a reliever (with a handful of starts) and he appears to have turned out okay. I think you could call him a front line starter.

In the article linked above, GM Terry Ryan and his manager offer these views:

Ryan continues to say he would prefer Liriano develop in the minors if he's not in the Twins' rotation, but the GM is not "100 percent" opposed to Liriano coming out of the bullpen.

"He'll make the decision for us," Ryan said.

Said Gardenhire: "Terry wants to do what's right for the ballplayers just like I do. But we're also going to make wise decisions about what's right for this ballclub. If (Liriano) is the best lefty and our best choice to get people out of the bullpen and he can get plenty of work in, then I don't think (Ryan) would have a problem with it. But you'd have to convince him."

Their wisdom? If it fits the team's needs well, and he's capable, he'll be acquainting himself with the lives of major league relievers.

Hopefully he's not as bad out of the pen as Santana was. That guy sucked. Did he have a motivational problem with coming in as a reliever?

rtcaino - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 12:53 AM EST (#143268) #
Interesting to see that Chip Cannon is still with the Major League camp.

""Of course, Santana got his feet wet as a reliever (with a handful of starts) and he appears to have turned out okay. I think you could call him a front line starter.""

That is true. There are other examples as well: I believe Jimmy Key and Dave Wells fall in that class. Though excuse me if I am incorrect, I was only nine in 1993.

But that said, I still feel it is more risky to put a guy in the pen for a year and then expect him to be able to jump back into the rotation. Again, I could be wrong.

The other caveat to the situation is that would you rather have a 23 year old McGowan coming out of the pen or a 30 year old McGowan in the rotation?
Geoff - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 02:29 AM EST (#143269) #
I remember Wells as a reliever and he never liked doing it.

I understand the viewpoint that there is a risk in varying the amount of innings a guy pitches. If you care about the health of your arm, you don't risk pitching 80 innings one season, 200 the next. Unless you're John Smoltz. Then you do whatever you want. But really physical conditioning should dictate the course of action.

And certainly there are many cases of starters who resent being put in a relief role, or can't accept failing their goal to be a starter. Hell, even Smoltz didn't want to be a reliever. Doesn't mean that he couldn't do it. He understood it was a different preparation, a different approach. But he knew it was still pitching and he could do it.

All Kelvim Escobar needed was direction. He probably didn't understand if management wanted him to have a career as a reliever or if he'd be going back to starting or if he'd just have to switch every year. One of the troubles with him was that he was quite good in his rookie year as a reliever (you were 15, you ought to remember that), terribly inconsitent when he moved into the rotation, then bounced back and forth, gradually improving at both.

So what if McGowan learns how to battle hitters as a reliever? Maybe he'll have trouble learning that way, maybe he won't. "He'll make the decision for us," Ryan said.

Fact is, he'll probably need some time (innings) to learn a few lessons in the big show, and the doubters wonder whether he can transfer learning as a reliever to performing as a starter or whether the whole process begins anew. But he won't have to wait until he's 30. Some guys who broke in as relievers: Buehrle, Hentgen, Hampton, Pedro, Schilling, heck, even Jim Palmer. So it's not an unprecedented learning process. But as Jays management has intimated, there isn't likely a need on the big club for his arm in the pen at get-go, but they'll need him to learn the big league ropes at some time and will get him in at the first option. If he's ready. It may be crude to bring him in only for mop-up work and I doubt they'd do that unless he had serious troubles to work on at the top level and the team is contending.

Waveburner - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 04:32 AM EST (#143270) #
Is there any examples of pitchers who were converted into relievers at AAA before being converted back into starters at MLB? I remember several pitchers who were starters in the minors, broke into the Majors in the bullpen, and then went back to starting in a year or two. But are there examples of AAA relievers being converted to starter? I certainly don't recall any. I wouldn't have a problem with Dustin pitching in Toronto's pen, but pitching in the pen at AAA sounds like they are giving up on him ever starting. Which would be heartbreaking considering it's only spring training and he's just 23 years old. Oh well. I'd feel a lot better if anyone had an example of AAA relievers becoming starters.
Gerry - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 08:59 AM EST (#143271) #
Random comments....

It's nice to see the Jays play two of their best games of the spring now that there is just over a week of spring training left. On the radio yesterday Jerry and Warren were saying that you could feel the intensity in camp pick up a notch now that the end is near.

There is great picture in The Star today showing Roy Halladay pitching in a minor league game. The picture is taken from behind the backstop and you can see several of the Jays minor league pitchers sitting there, in uniform, watching Roy pitch.

Ex-Jay Josh Phelps was sent to the minors yesterday.
einsof - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 09:31 AM EST (#143272) #
Marc Hulet - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 09:34 AM EST (#143273) #
Chip Cannon was actually just up from the minor league camp to fill-out the roster for the day. Teams bring up random guys from time to time to gain some experience.
Rob - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 09:39 AM EST (#143274) #
einsof, it's Marty York who reported that. You can sleep easily.
Named For Hank - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 10:07 AM EST (#143275) #
If Burnett misses the first month, I'll wear an I HEART MARTY YORK t-shirt.
Ryan Day - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 10:28 AM EST (#143276) #
I think Marty York is the new Richard Griffin, the Old Richard Griffin being surprisingly objective lately.

Also in York's column:

  • The Jays have a monopoly on slow white guys
  • Lyle Overbay can't play defence and Eric Hinske can't run
  • Ernie Whitt has a bad work ethic (completely unattributted, naturally)
Named For Hank - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 10:32 AM EST (#143277) #
Oh yeah, I loved that -- isn't Eric Hinske one of the best baserunners on the team and actually a good baserunner?

I thought Overbay was okay defensively, but I probably picked up that impression here.
Mike Green - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 11:20 AM EST (#143278) #
Subjectively and objectively (by just about any measure that I'm aware of), Overbay is a better than average defensive first baseman. Here are last year's NL first basemen, sorted by defensive win shares. BP's system has him rated even more highly.

More to the point, this is not a particularly slow team. With Adams, Hill, Rios/Hinske and Wells in the lineup, the team speed is about average, although there are no real base-stealing threats, at this point. Either Adams or Hill could realistically develop that part of their game to a significant extent.
dave - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 11:21 AM EST (#143279) #
Blair's new blog entry has info. on Burnett today:

""I just want to get stretched out, get the long-tossing done and get back on the mound and take it from there," said Burnett. "It feels good, feels great. It's like a step forward every day. I kind of knew I'd feel decent today, thought, because I didn't have any pain the last couple of days. If I miss one start ... I think that's better than anything."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051101.wblai/BNStory/Sports/home
Pistol - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 11:30 AM EST (#143280) #
"the Old Richard Griffin being surprisingly objective lately"

Griffin's analysis leaves a lot to be desired but his player profiles are generally pretty good. That's why he's worth reading in spring training but not during the season or offseason period (or at least to me that's the case).
China fan - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 11:43 AM EST (#143281) #
I think Marty York might not be far wrong in predicting that Burnett might miss the first month of the season. It's clear now that Burnett will need weeks to get back to game readiness. Under the current schedule, the 5th starter is only scheduled for three starts in April, and the Jays won't mind letting Scott Downs handle those starts, in order to give a proper recovery time for Burnett.
VBF - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 11:43 AM EST (#143282) #
Nothing we didn't really suspect From Blair:

Tracy's team has a player that is coveted by several organizations including the Blue Jays — Craig Wilson, who can play first base or either corner outfield — but even though the Pirates don't have a starting spot for him, Tracy doesn't think the organization will rush to move him.

Also, based on Blair's update, you can almost see Marty York's unusual thinking process when looking to write an article.

-Burnett probably missing one start
-Weather is cold in visiting April cities
-Burnett pitching in cold after injury is bad
-A month can be 28 days, right?
-So if I say month and I end up guessing right, I'll be the only one to get credit
-In conclusion, Burnett is missing one month
-Stop the presses!

China fan - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 11:46 AM EST (#143283) #
By the way, this seems to be confirmed (at least partially) by the final sentence of Blair's report on Burnett today:
"Scott Downs will take Burnett's spot in the rotation coming out of spring training. Since most of the Blue Jays games on the road in the month of April are in cold weather cities, the team will be extra careful with Burnett."

Ryan Day - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 11:48 AM EST (#143284) #
Griffin's analysis leaves a lot to be desired but his player profiles are generally pretty good. That's why he's worth reading in spring training but not during the season or offseason period (or at least to me that's the case).

I agree completely with that, though I've found the Star generally less negative this offseason. It seems to be more of a subtle "Things could go wrong..." tone, as opposed to the usual "Ricciardi is incompetent and dishonest and the team is doomed to failure" routine.

greenfrog - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 02:24 PM EST (#143301) #
I don't mind the Jays proceeding slowly with AJ--even if he has to spend a few extra weeks in Florida. He's a five-year investment. Besides, JP's got to be wary after last year's experience with Halladay (ie, rushing him back out there to try to keep the team in contention).

Just as long as he's ready by May, when I have Boston and Oakland tickets... :)
rtcaino - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 02:28 PM EST (#143303) #
""I don't mind the Jays proceeding slowly with AJ--even if he has to spend a few extra weeks in Florida. He's a five-year investment. Besides, JP's got to be wary after last year's experience with Halladay (ie, rushing him back out there to try to keep the team in contention).""

I agree. To get proverbial: I believe it was Confucius who said "the cautious seldom err"
greenfrog - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 02:28 PM EST (#143304) #
From an article on Rotoworld listing some last-minute rotisserie sleepers:

"David Bush, Milwaukee Brewers: Bush has been nearly unhittable this spring, securing a spot in the Brewers’ rotation. He doesn’t have overpowering stuff, but will get enough strikeouts to be valuable, has outstanding control, and should pick up 10-12 wins with relative ease."

There's also a writeup on O-Dog.

http://fantasybaseball.rotoworld.com/content/story.asp?sport=MLB&storyid=20549
Flex - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 03:50 PM EST (#143315) #
Just wonderin' -- who was on the mound today for the Jays, getting pounded 16-1 by the Tribe?
Named For Hank - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 03:53 PM EST (#143316) #
Besides, JP's got to be wary after last year's experience with Halladay (ie, rushing him back out there to try to keep the team in contention)

Why does this keep coming up? The rehab and exertion did not slow Halladay's recovery by as much as a day. He simply healed slowly. There was no way to make his injury worse aside from hitting his leg really hard with a bat. No one has posted a medical opinion contrary to this, just guesses and conjecture.

Just because people repeat something on the internet, that don't make it true!
Mike D - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 03:54 PM EST (#143317) #
According to TSN, A.J. appears to be suffering no ill effects after his elbow pain.

Leaving aside the question of whether Marty York is trustworthy, why on earth would he "break" a story before A.J. even had his scheduled throwing session?
Mike D - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 03:55 PM EST (#143318) #
who was on the mound today for the Jays, getting pounded 16-1 by the Tribe?

I don't know who's been ineffective in relief, but Davis Romero got lit up as the starter.
binnister - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 04:27 PM EST (#143319) #
Re: Jays/Tribe

Not a single starter played for the Jays (not even in relief)...it was all minor leaguer's and AAAA types.
Asher - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 04:28 PM EST (#143320) #
I was listening to the game off and on. Not really sure who came in after Romero, but no one who is likely to see Toronto anytime soon.

There were no regulars or even high-level prospects there, in the lineup or the pen. GQ, I guess, was the most notable. The Indians, on the other hand, started a lineup that you might see on the field in April.

Ugly game though. The Jays' staff hit five batters and walked eight or nine.
MatO - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 04:30 PM EST (#143321) #
As per binnister, Wilner reported that the Jays took absolutely no regulars to this game.
Ron - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 05:05 PM EST (#143323) #
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=74919

"But besides Burnett's elbow -- which already has led to an MRI this spring -- here's a big reason to pick Beckett. At 25, he's four years younger, but Burnett can act more like a child. Example: After Burnett finished a four-inning spring training start last week, during which he continued to modify his windup, he snapped at a group of reporters when one asked -- politely -- whether he was ready to talk. "I just finished my running . . . . show some f-- respect," Burnett growled before disappearing. Fifteen minutes later, he emerged from behind closed doors and apologized."
Geoff - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 05:09 PM EST (#143324) #
So he can be a self-absorbed a**hole. Polite guys don't make better pitchers by rule. Think of guys like Roger or Randy, and they're downright nasty while they're at work.
Four Seamer - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 05:15 PM EST (#143325) #
Fifteen minutes later, he emerged from behind closed doors and apologized.

How very childish of him.

Cristian - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 05:58 PM EST (#143331) #
The Score's ticker is showing that Hee Seop Choi was claimed off waivers by the Red Sox. It bugs me when the Red Sox and Yankees make low cost low risk acquistitions with high potential returns. Large market teams shouldn't be allowed to pick up Choi unless they immediately sign him to a four year contract for at least 7M per.
Cristian - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 06:12 PM EST (#143336) #
That's not true. According to the boxscore Aaron Hill pitched the 9th inning and gave up 4 runs.
Geoff - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 06:36 PM EST (#143338) #
Kenny Rogers was having a very good season until management and the media felt the need to ask him to tone it down and change his approach to coming to work.

So long as Burnett isn't setting fire to things or biting the heads off chickens or abusing or maiming anyone, or making little girls cry, let him be angry when he's working. Hopefully not an Albert-Belle-sized sourpuss, but if he doesn't want any distractions outside of his team and his play, the reporters need to have an understanding when the appointed time for questions will be.

I'm all for guarding your employees against distractions in the workplace that are unwarranted. Boundaries need to be drawn and the presence of media is only good for popularizing the player, team and sport. That benefit should not require free reign, nor anything outside of a reserved time of reasonable length.

I think the trouble most players have with their perception of media is that most content resulting from their contribution is so dull and fruitless. The media point of view is that to have the player say something, anything, adds a great amount of image and credibility to their content, so they'll take anything. Nobody is expecting intelligence, or originality, or even style (although the media will always hope for the last at least) -- so why should the player produce for the media whenever they want it? After games is one thing -- the moment is special, but before/during/after practices or spring training workouts? Let the player decide when he's under the microscope.

Thomas - Friday, March 24 2006 @ 07:23 PM EST (#143343) #
A new Notes from Nowhere thread has been started in which to discuss the Choi move, amongst other news.
VBF - Saturday, March 25 2006 @ 12:43 AM EST (#143370) #
Meh. I'm with Geoff.

Burnett spent the vast majority of his MLB career in an organization that treated him extremely poorly. I'd imagine that they're open wounds and that his people skills were damaged after spending so long there. I think he forgot what organization he was really in.

Also note the source of the incident. I'd like to hear what Burnett has to say about it before I make any sort of judgement.

Ron - Saturday, March 25 2006 @ 02:23 PM EST (#143400) #
"Burnett spent the vast majority of his MLB career in an organization that treated him extremely poorly. I'd imagine that they're open wounds and that his people skills were damaged after spending so long there. I think he forgot what organization he was really in."

What evidence do you have of AJ being treated poorly besides what AJ has said? They treated him so poorly that they paid him millions of dollars to throw a baseball....

When AJ blew up late in the season, I didn't hear one single teammate come out to defend him publicly.
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