Boxing Day in Toronto gave us nothing but sadness, thanks to a senseless shooting on Yonge Street and this news of Jeff Reardon. Today cannot help but be better.
Boxing Day in Toronto gave us nothing but sadness, thanks to a senseless shooting on Yonge Street and this news of Jeff Reardon. Today cannot help but be better.
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Baseball/MLB/Toronto/2005/12/27/1369899-sun.html
Nothing new here really. Glaus and Hudson will undergo their physicals today with a possible announcement after that.
Press conference apparently no earlier than 6 pm today.
I like Glaus at 3B and Koskie at DH for Toronto a whole lot better than I like Glaus at 3B for the Red Sox.
Actually, I imagine Koskie is probably pretty miffed at the moment. The team now has four 3B/DH types (Glaus, Koskie, Shea, Hinske) and apparently has promised Glaus the starting job, when Koskie seems to be the superior defensive 3B.
It will be interesting to see how JP solves this puzzle. I've found it frustrating to watch Hinske over the last couple of years (although there were faint signs of offensive life early and late in 2005) and wouldn't really be disappointed to see him go. However, I found it equally frustrating to watch Koskie. His swing seemed long and he never really got it going. Frankly, he looked past it. On the other hand, I liked watching Shea. I guess I just never expected all that much from him, and he hit slightly better than I thought he would. He seems like a good complementary player to have around.
Koskie (IM[H]O) is far too brittle for 3rd now. He's a DH. We got LOTS of them! Trade him.
Hilly plays 3rd and 1st pretty good, keep him he's our everyday DH!
Hinske is the backup at 1st, 3rd and DH. He'll get at least 250 bats and be an OK left hand bat off the bench in the later innings.
One LAST comment on defense. We traded a 43rd rounder 2nd baseman for a 1st round short stop. The world HAS NOT ended!
So sayeth the scribe.
In the NL, the only four teams that I can see need either a 1B or 3B are Washington, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and SF.
In the AL, I can see a possible match with 5 teams: Oak, Sea, TB, Det, & Min.
In no particular order of preference:
1) Washington: No 3B and have N.Johnson at 1B. Outfielders of Soriano, J.Guillen, R.Church, & Al.Escobar.
-Anyone like Church ($300K lefty).
2) Cincinnati: Weak 3B with Freel and E.Encarnacion. Dunn at 1B. Outfielders of Griffey, Kearns, Mo.Pena, Womack.
-I like the idea of Mo.Pena here ($400K righty). Oh, how I would have loved to get Kearns.
3) Pitssburgh: Weak at 3B with F.Sanchez. Strong enough at 1B with Casey. Only differene maker in the Outfield is J.Bay who who I am guessing they would not trade but they also have C.Wilson.
-Maybe C.Wilson here ($3 million righty).
4) SF: They have Niekro at 1B and P.Feliz at 1B/3B/OF. Their outfielders are Alou, Winn, Bonds, S.Finley.
-Would love JP to take a look at P.Feliz ($2.3 million righty). He played 79 games at 3B, 75 in OF.
5) Tampa Bay: They are weak at 1B with T.Lee and have a strong Cantu at 3B. Outfielders of De.Young, Hollins, Huff, Baldelli, Gathright, Crawford, Gomes, Huff(1B too).
-Wow so many options. I would love JP to take a look first at Gomes ($NA righty), Huff next($4.9 lefty), and Hollins third ($NA righty). The last two guys probably have relatively cheap contracts.
6) Det: At 1B/DH they have Shelton and Pena. At 3B they have Inge. Their Outfield consits of M.Ordonez, Granderson, and Monroe.
-Anyone think JP would be willing to take on Magglio's $7.2 contract - yeah probably not. Unlikely they would deal Granderson or Monroe - both are good.
7) Minn: Weak at 3B with T.Batista. At 1B they have J.Morneau. Outfielders of R.White, S.Stewart, Kubel, Ford.
-Kubel would be a steal ($300K lefty). Missed all of last yr with torn anterior and post cruciate ligaments. He is considered an oustanding prospect hitting .343/16HR/71RBI/16SB in only 350 AB at AAA Rochester in 2004 (how much would it take to get him though - probably not possible). At $400K the righty Ford would not be bad either.
8) Sea: Strong at 1B and 3B with Beltre and Sexson. However they have Ibanez and Everett sharing OF/DH with the other two OF's Reed and Suzuki.
-Would it be possible to get Ibanez ($4.4 Million lefty) for Hillenbrand and a minor leaguer?
9) Oak: They are strong at 3B with Chavez and have Dan Johnson coming up at 1B. They have a glut of outfielder being M.Bradely, Payton, Kotsay, Swisher, Kielty.
-I don't know how this one would work but maybe Payton ($3.5 million righty), Swisher ($300k switch hitter) or Kotsay ($6.5 million lefty) for Hillenbrand (to play DH for them) and a minor leaguer if necessary.
I think the best of the most likely workable targets are: Mo.Pena(Cin), Huff(TB), Gomes(TB), Kubel(Min), R.Church(Was), P.Feliz(SF).
ANY THOUGHTS?????
Do we want a righty or lefty?
Do we want to give up any prospects in the next trade?
Will Rogers allow for a bit more financial flexibility if JP can scoop a difference maker? I can just see it now. Ted Rogers saying "you know what, with all the great moves JP made we were surprised so that it could be done all in one year. Therefore we are increasing the budget effectively today to $80 million b/c we think we are one player away"!
Second, the Reds (rightfully) LOVE Wily Mo Pena, and he would cost, oh, McGowan, Hillenbrand and Adams ... maybe. They also like Encarnacion as their 3B of the future starting, like, now, so I can't imagine the Reds would be even remotely interested.
If the Nats decide to keep Soriano and play him in the OF -- and that's really not gonna happen -- then the deal for Church makes SOME sense, but for the most part, I literally can't see ANY of these deals playing out unless the return at 3B for them is Koskie plus most of Koskie's salary.
2)cin- no outfielders available now. 3b is covered anyways. freel or the prospect.
3) this is the only viable option i see.. someone to keep 3b warm (until bautista is ready) for c wilson.
4)i don't see much difference between hillenbrand and feliz. except feliz is cheaper.
5) i'd love to get huff, but it'll take prospects.
6) no way
7)kuble is a risk and i don't think they'd trade him anyways.
8)ibanez is another dh who can play the corners badly. we don't really need him. sea needs pitching. everett is already signed to be dh (yuck)
9)i don't want kielty or payton id only take kotsay if there was another trade lined up for abreu(wells). too much dealing if that happens though
wow that was longer than i intended.
basically the only match i see is with pittsburgh
Geez, that Reardon news is sad to see. Here he was, at one point the all-time record holder for lifetime saves, a premium baseball player in an era of multi-million dollar contracts. Now he is a criminal, stealing jewels in a very pathetic way.
No, now he has been CHARGED with theft. We're all innocent until proven guilty.3B - Glaus (only because im sure that was part of the deal)
SS - Adams
2B - Hill
1B - Overbay
DH - Hillenbrand
I think for now Hinske's gonna stay on the team and PH and take the load off hilly, overbay, and maybe even Glaus every once in a while. Mainly because of his massive contract, I dont see any team wanting to pick him up.
He signed a contract in good faith and one of those components was a no trade clause involving Toronto. If he does not want to be a full-time DH, why should he have to? Why is he selfish? He was not coming to Toronto as a full-time DH. His contract gave him the leverage to politely say no if those were the terms.
How about this - if you were traded to work at a different company but that company wanted you to do a different job than the one you were currently doing and you had the power to say: "No, I don't want to go to your company unless I can work the same job. I like the job I have and I don't want to switch. If I can't work in the same position, I don't think I'll come. And I can do that because my contract says so. Thanks for the offer anyway." Wouldn't you do that?
I would be surprised if Glaus saw zero time at DH. Given his injury history, I would not be surprised to see him DH once or twice a week or even DH full-time if there is an injury that won't allow him to adequately play the field.
I really don't want to completely ruin the great defense we had least season.
This lineup is looking more and more like the BoSox Killers. Right handed bats looking to mash in Fenway, even moreso if we brought Wilson in.
Who's our backup catcher going to be? Quiroz?
Also, there's a real chance the Jays might stick with what they have. Platoons of Koskie/Hillenbrand and Hinske/Rios give the Jays lineup a lot of flexibility.
I'll be the first to admit that it's a little expensive to have 15 MM worth of players for 1.5 lineup spots, but if the trade market really is that weak for HHK, I can't see the logic in selling low. And it's not like Overbay and Glaus won't need days off to keep them fresh.
The only other issue is roster spots. If they Jays stand pat, then they are going to be forced to go with a 11-man pitching staff. Which I don't think is an entirely bad idea. It's pretty hard getting the 7th man in the bullpen enough work to keep him fresh.
Looks like League, McGowan, and Marcum are headed back to AAA for the time being. And whoever loses the competition for swingman (Downs vs. Walker) will probably be picked up by another major league team.
The team does need a 5th outfielder, and another catcher in case either Zaun or Quiroz is unable to answer the bell.
If switching jobs meant that we could make the playoff equivalent chances even greater, I'd switch in a heartbeat.
However, from the individual point of view in working a business type job, people are more looking into what they can do for themselves instead of what they can do for the business. Why? Because there isn't really an equivalent of winning a world series in a regular job.
Now, you bring up a good point. I'm assuming that Koskie will be better than Glaus. It may be premature to make that assumption.
Who will he pinch-hit for?
-Alot of options (MacDonald, Hill, Adams)
-Glaus was a tough out, glad to have him here
-Nice additions take pressure of Wells, Koskie
-Same approach even with Burnett, solid one two punch going into big cities
-Burnett came across as excited, anxious to get backwith Arny at their initial meeting
-Burnett adds to comoradery(sp?) factor
-Arnsberg is great
-Towers will maintain success
-Chacin doesn't get easily shaken, will be able to battle adversity
-On the topic of losing Batista, Doc said there are other guys to step into helping Chacin maintain success (Batista and Chacin were close fyi)
Mets 34%
Blue Jays 33%
Yankees 19%
Dodgers 14%
I just love the "view map" option.
I would agree that the Mets, Blue Jays, and Dodgers should be there. I don't think the Yankess improved their team more than Tex or CWS though.
ESPN has also just this minute added a new Glaus vote thread and an insider posting by Eric Karabell - it is geared toward fantasy league owners.
Summary
-Expect Glaus to hit .250 with 30/100
-One of Hinke, Koskie, or Shea is headed out
-As of now, lineup seems good enough to score runs but not at the pace of NYY or Boston (do we not have a better hitting lineup than Boston right now?)
-He pegs the batting order as Cat, Hill, Wells, Overbay, Glaus
-Hill does not have the power nor the glove Hudson has but the LSU star has hit at every level and takes walks (more doubles and walks than k's). He should not be bad in the field either
-Draft him around round 15th round and watch him hit near .300 with 100+ runs b/c he figures to hit 2nd
-Santos struggled last yr in AAA but the 21 year old was behind two ss's already. He could be a name we see in 3 or 4 years
-Arizona made this deal not entirely for the players acquired but also to free up some space for others in their lineup
-Hudson could hit 2nd
-Batista is not likely to make much of a fantasy impact
- Halladay - AJ Burnett - Lilly - Towers - Chacin3 year and 5 year numbers for the above suggest that only Halladay is a great bet to beat him.
Player 5yr IP 5yr ERA+ 3yr IP 3yr ERA+ Halladay 177.1 149.4 180.2 148.1 Batista 158.1 116.0 155.6 115.1 Burnett 145.9 113.2 117.3 113.3 Towers 111.4 103.3 129.8 110.1 Lilly 144.5 101.4 167.3 102.1 Chacin N/A N/A 72.3 123.5So I think you'd expect Batista to outpitch at least 2, probably 3, and maybe even 4 of the Jays starting pitchers next year (cumulatively, you'd expect in a head to head bet he'd pitch better than any except Halladay - unless you believe one year of Chacin shows his true ability, then maybe you think he'd Chacin would out pitch him), assuming he's in the starting rotation in Arizona.
I would think any one of those would be a good fit for that Critical 6th Cornerman position
link-- http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/polling?event_id=1937
I hope no one else posted this, if so sorry
We definitely do not have as good a lineup hitting wise as Boston. I think people seriously underestimate how good Boston is. Here is weighted 3-year OPS+ numbers for Jays lineup and bench and Boston's lineup and bench:
Toronto OPS+ OPS+ Boston Glaus 126 156 Ramirez Overbay 115 151 Ortiz Wells 114 130 Nixon Koskie 111 125 Veritek Catalanotto 107 120 Loretta Hill 92 113 Lowell Adams 91.4 104 Petagine Zaun 89.5 78.4 Cora Rios 83 34 Stern? (The sox have no CF on the roster, but can surely add one whose better) Average 103.2 112.3 Average Bench Hillenbrand 103 103 Youkilis Hinske 99.5 98 Graffanino Johnson 89.9 69.6 FlahertySo the Jays bench is a bit better and deeper than the Sox, and you might think someone like Lowell is all done and Petagine is too old (but then they have Graffanino and Youkilis who can step in with out too much of a loss). Even with virtually no one in CF (using Stern's cup of coffee 34 numbers) and even with Alex Cora as SS (and they might use one of the 2b/3b as SS and play one of Youklis or Graffanino insted of Cora) the Sox still have an average OPS+ nearly 10 points higher than the Jays and the Sox average is higher than ALL but 3 of the Jays. If the Sox put even a 75 OPS+ player in CF then the average starting lineup OPS+ for the Red Sox (using these three year averages) is higher than the OPS+ for every single Jay bar Glaus. So no the Jays lineup is not better than the Sox right now.
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051227&content_id=1287464&vkey=hotstove2005&fext=.jsp
Again, I'm happy to have Glaus, but it seems that all these players are really leveraging Toronto's perceived need to contend now. I'm not saying I wouldn't have done the deal. I just think we've exposed ourselves to a lot of risk, not so much for 2006, but for 2007-09.
I'm not too sure if next year's FA class will be that much stronger, but if 07 is REALLY "the year" I'd like for the FA's like Burnett and Ryan and now Glaus through the trade to get a year of Toronto underneath their belts. I think it would be a bit too much to go into this season with basically last year's roster and then suddenly sign mass FA's in 07 and expect to just suddenly win.
I like the path JP is taking,,, even if it means that mah boy O-Dog will be playing in Zona instead. However, it does make me feel much better reading O-Dog's comments and how understanding he was. I will forever have a man-crush on Orlando Hudson.
GO GLAUS!
Is this fate?
Whatever, I'm starting to warm up to this trade, as it fits into the entire picture that JP is trying to construct.
there's a link near the top
it hasn't started yet
http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/index.jsp?c_id=tor
"Are we in the right room?"
"You do realize we're watching two hats."
I think Jay Stenhouse just said we're waiting on glaus' physical. I hope there's no problems. *fingers crossed*.
They're waiting on a phone call before they can start the press conference.
He says the payroll is about $72M right now. I can't quite work out why that's correct but I daresay he knows what he is talking about!
Either he's trying to do what he did with Batista... which seemingly worked, or he seriously is considering bringing back everyone.
Hinske on the bench with Koskie and Hillenbrand platooning at DH. That's a pretty deep team, no?
So, trading hinske/koskie/etc. is not a neccessity.
Lefty Koskie vs RIGHTIES 265/365/437
Righty Hilly vs LEFTIES 325/361/525
Hinske vs RIGHTIES 283/358/452
http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051227&content_id=1287486&vkey=news_tor&fext=.jsp&c_id=tor
He said on WWJP towards late last season that Hudson was going nowhere.
He also denied the NY Paper story about Ryan signing here.
It's nearly impossible for the Jays to carry Overbay, Glaus, Hinske, Koskie, and Hillenbrand on the roster unless the Jays are going to go with a 11 man pitching staff.
Glaus: "We're gonna put Toronto at the top, where it deserves to be"
Whatever this team does, Glaus waiving his clause isn't just an endorsement of the turf, but of the team that is here too. He isn't coming to play on artificial turf, that is for sure.
You have to wonder at reporters trying to put him on the spot about the other 3Bs on the team. What is he supposed to say?
JP must have an idea of who he can move and who he cannot. Probably nothing more will happen until a few more free agents sign elsewhere and January starts to wind down towards camp. The market could open up again later and a trade could be done. Whatever, the Jays must have an idea of how they want the team to look. They just mustn't want to insult anyone by saying specifically who is going to get traded.
Truth is, at least one of the 1B/3B/DH types does have to be moved. Otherwise, the team is locked into a 5-man bench (which is fine, since it means only an 11-man pitching staff, which I prefer), but that these 5 are made up of: Quiroz (or a proxy backup CA), McDonald, one of the LF platoon and 2 of Hillenbrand, Koskie and Hinske.
While I don't expect an upgrade over McDonald, an additional middle infielder, or a third catcher, it would be nice to see one of the "glut" replaced with a 5th outfielder, preferably a LHB. Tell me that someone cheap like a Davanon wouldn't be more valuable than hanging on to an oh so redundant Hinske.
It would be quite nice to grab one more bat of at least Overbay quality for the outfield, as many here have already noted. Does JP have one more huge blockbuster in him? I've been wondering about the plausibilty about a Grady Sizemore-to-Toronto trade:
to TO: Sizemore
to CLE: McGowan/Rios/Shea and a B pitching prospect (Marcum?)
Is this is in anyway realistic? We give up a lot, but it may not satisfy Cleveland as they may nt be sold on McGowan, the linchpin of the return package.
Well, there...I let my inner GM ramble a bit and feel much better.
Trade Hinske to dump salary, and trade one of Koskie or Hillenbrand for C insurance. That would also allow for some financial wiggle room should the Jays be in contention near the trade deadline.
If Glaus or the DH get hurt, Griffin can come up and DH for the league minimum wage.
Sizemore has proved he is of star talent and as much as I am optimistic of Dustin's potential, there is still much that could go wrong.
SPLIT AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Home 322 45 82 20 2 10 29 28 3 70 14 5 .255 .318 .422 .741 Away 318 66 103 17 9 12 52 24 4 62 8 5 .324 .379 .547 .926I also think that you can't base everything on what can go wrong. You base it on what you expect to go well. So much could go wrong with Grady. He could lose his speed. He could test positive for steroids. He could be arrested on a robbery rap. He could hit like Tom Sizemore when he gets to the Jays.
Shannon Stewart showed a much better OBP but less power and far fewer strikeouts than Sizemore and he stole 51 of 69 bags attempted in his first full season. Last season he had one of his worst seasons: no speed, no OBP, no slugging.
This from a guy who ranked 4th in MVP voting a few seasons ago in 2003.
So is Sizemore looking much more valuable than Stewart in his early days? Sure, Sizemore can be credited with a better defensive rating you say, but still you don't know that McGowan will fall apart any better than you know what will happen with Sizemore.