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While we wait for the Troy Glaus trade press conference, here's a new place for our baseball musings.

Boxing Day in Toronto gave us nothing but sadness, thanks to a senseless shooting on Yonge Street and this news of Jeff Reardon. Today cannot help but be better.
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Nick - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 11:34 AM EST (#137835) #
Rutsey in the Sun:

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Baseball/MLB/Toronto/2005/12/27/1369899-sun.html

Nothing new here really. Glaus and Hudson will undergo their physicals today with a possible announcement after that.
VBF - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 11:39 AM EST (#137836) #
Am I missing something? Glaus is an inferior defensive third baseman to Koskie and yet everyone's shoeing Glaus in at third base. I realize there was some sort of agreement between JP and Troy, but doesn't he realize that we're better with Koskie at third and Troy at DH?
6-4-3 - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 11:49 AM EST (#137837) #
The key part is "there was some sort of agreement between JP and Troy". Nothing else matters. Glaus had a no trade clause that included Toronto, JP had to sell him on coming to Toronto, a good way of doing that was to tell him that he would be the starting third baseman (and that the turf had been replaced). It doesn't matter if Koskie's a better defender than Glaus, because Glaus has a lot more pull with the franchise right now. JP wanted his big bat, Glaus was (I assume) the best avaliable bat, Glaus plays third, so Koskie has to move to DH, even if he's the better defender.
Pistol - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 11:51 AM EST (#137838) #
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2270112

Press conference apparently no earlier than 6 pm today.
VBF - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 11:53 AM EST (#137839) #
I guess I'm old-fashioned then. Seems as if I were Glaus, I'd put whatever was in the best interest of the team and making the playoffs ahead of my own personal wants to play defense. Seems a little selfish.
Parker - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 12:27 PM EST (#137842) #
One positive from this is at least Koskie stands a better chance of playing the whole season if he doesn't have the opportunity to hurt himself in the field. He's a good defender but sometimes he plays a little TOO hard.

I like Glaus at 3B and Koskie at DH for Toronto a whole lot better than I like Glaus at 3B for the Red Sox.
greenfrog - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 12:29 PM EST (#137843) #
I was wondering about this too. If Koskie is on the team, shouldn't he be playing third?

Actually, I imagine Koskie is probably pretty miffed at the moment. The team now has four 3B/DH types (Glaus, Koskie, Shea, Hinske) and apparently has promised Glaus the starting job, when Koskie seems to be the superior defensive 3B.

It will be interesting to see how JP solves this puzzle. I've found it frustrating to watch Hinske over the last couple of years (although there were faint signs of offensive life early and late in 2005) and wouldn't really be disappointed to see him go. However, I found it equally frustrating to watch Koskie. His swing seemed long and he never really got it going. Frankly, he looked past it. On the other hand, I liked watching Shea. I guess I just never expected all that much from him, and he hit slightly better than I thought he would. He seems like a good complementary player to have around.
Mylegacy - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 12:30 PM EST (#137844) #
Take Glaus' 05 defensive numbers with a pinch of salt. The guy was playing with a bum shoulder and knee. He is better than he showed last year.

Koskie (IM[H]O) is far too brittle for 3rd now. He's a DH. We got LOTS of them! Trade him.

Hilly plays 3rd and 1st pretty good, keep him he's our everyday DH!

Hinske is the backup at 1st, 3rd and DH. He'll get at least 250 bats and be an OK left hand bat off the bench in the later innings.

One LAST comment on defense. We traded a 43rd rounder 2nd baseman for a 1st round short stop. The world HAS NOT ended!

So sayeth the scribe.
Mike Forbes - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 12:35 PM EST (#137845) #
Press conference scheduled for 6:30 EST.
VBF - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 12:46 PM EST (#137846) #
Howarth on the FAN right now.
VBF - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 12:59 PM EST (#137847) #
Wilner on the FAN in a few minutes.
VBF - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 01:06 PM EST (#137848) #
Wilner on the Fan right now.
John Northey - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 01:07 PM EST (#137849) #
Geez, that Reardon news is sad to see. Here he was, at one point the all-time record holder for lifetime saves, a premium baseball player in an era of multi-million dollar contracts. Now he is a criminal, stealing jewels in a very pathetic way. Very sad to see.
melondough - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 01:12 PM EST (#137850) #
Now that Glaus is here, discussion seems to be turning (more so one the other board) to what the next move is. That is, finding out who may need a 1B or 3B and may have an OF to spare. These are the teams that I think may work to deal with:

In the NL, the only four teams that I can see need either a 1B or 3B are Washington, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and SF.

In the AL, I can see a possible match with 5 teams: Oak, Sea, TB, Det, & Min.

In no particular order of preference:

1) Washington: No 3B and have N.Johnson at 1B. Outfielders of Soriano, J.Guillen, R.Church, & Al.Escobar.
-Anyone like Church ($300K lefty).

2) Cincinnati: Weak 3B with Freel and E.Encarnacion. Dunn at 1B. Outfielders of Griffey, Kearns, Mo.Pena, Womack.
-I like the idea of Mo.Pena here ($400K righty). Oh, how I would have loved to get Kearns.

3) Pitssburgh: Weak at 3B with F.Sanchez. Strong enough at 1B with Casey. Only differene maker in the Outfield is J.Bay who who I am guessing they would not trade but they also have C.Wilson.
-Maybe C.Wilson here ($3 million righty).

4) SF: They have Niekro at 1B and P.Feliz at 1B/3B/OF. Their outfielders are Alou, Winn, Bonds, S.Finley.
-Would love JP to take a look at P.Feliz ($2.3 million righty). He played 79 games at 3B, 75 in OF.

5) Tampa Bay: They are weak at 1B with T.Lee and have a strong Cantu at 3B. Outfielders of De.Young, Hollins, Huff, Baldelli, Gathright, Crawford, Gomes, Huff(1B too).
-Wow so many options. I would love JP to take a look first at Gomes ($NA righty), Huff next($4.9 lefty), and Hollins third ($NA righty). The last two guys probably have relatively cheap contracts.

6) Det: At 1B/DH they have Shelton and Pena. At 3B they have Inge. Their Outfield consits of M.Ordonez, Granderson, and Monroe.
-Anyone think JP would be willing to take on Magglio's $7.2 contract - yeah probably not. Unlikely they would deal Granderson or Monroe - both are good.

7) Minn: Weak at 3B with T.Batista. At 1B they have J.Morneau. Outfielders of R.White, S.Stewart, Kubel, Ford.
-Kubel would be a steal ($300K lefty). Missed all of last yr with torn anterior and post cruciate ligaments. He is considered an oustanding prospect hitting .343/16HR/71RBI/16SB in only 350 AB at AAA Rochester in 2004 (how much would it take to get him though - probably not possible). At $400K the righty Ford would not be bad either.

8) Sea: Strong at 1B and 3B with Beltre and Sexson. However they have Ibanez and Everett sharing OF/DH with the other two OF's Reed and Suzuki.
-Would it be possible to get Ibanez ($4.4 Million lefty) for Hillenbrand and a minor leaguer?

9) Oak: They are strong at 3B with Chavez and have Dan Johnson coming up at 1B. They have a glut of outfielder being M.Bradely, Payton, Kotsay, Swisher, Kielty.
-I don't know how this one would work but maybe Payton ($3.5 million righty), Swisher ($300k switch hitter) or Kotsay ($6.5 million lefty) for Hillenbrand (to play DH for them) and a minor leaguer if necessary.

I think the best of the most likely workable targets are: Mo.Pena(Cin), Huff(TB), Gomes(TB), Kubel(Min), R.Church(Was), P.Feliz(SF).

ANY THOUGHTS?????
Do we want a righty or lefty?
Do we want to give up any prospects in the next trade?
Will Rogers allow for a bit more financial flexibility if JP can scoop a difference maker? I can just see it now. Ted Rogers saying "you know what, with all the great moves JP made we were surprised so that it could be done all in one year. Therefore we are increasing the budget effectively today to $80 million b/c we think we are one player away"!
Mick Doherty - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 01:33 PM EST (#137852) #
First, Soriano flat refuses to play the OF, so scratch his name off the list.

Second, the Reds (rightfully) LOVE Wily Mo Pena, and he would cost, oh, McGowan, Hillenbrand and Adams ... maybe. They also like Encarnacion as their 3B of the future starting, like, now, so I can't imagine the Reds would be even remotely interested.

If the Nats decide to keep Soriano and play him in the OF -- and that's really not gonna happen -- then the deal for Church makes SOME sense, but for the most part, I literally can't see ANY of these deals playing out unless the return at 3B for them is Koskie plus most of Koskie's salary.
lexomatic - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 01:35 PM EST (#137853) #
1) Was has zimmerman who's looking good. they could maybe use someone like hillenbrand to platoon/cover for n johnson injury or incase zimmerman isn't ready. i don't mind church but he's not going to play on this team. i doubt Was would take on the additional salary with their situation still so muddled
2)cin- no outfielders available now. 3b is covered anyways. freel or the prospect.
3) this is the only viable option i see.. someone to keep 3b warm (until bautista is ready) for c wilson.
4)i don't see much difference between hillenbrand and feliz. except feliz is cheaper.
5) i'd love to get huff, but it'll take prospects.
6) no way
7)kuble is a risk and i don't think they'd trade him anyways.
8)ibanez is another dh who can play the corners badly. we don't really need him. sea needs pitching. everett is already signed to be dh (yuck)
9)i don't want kielty or payton id only take kotsay if there was another trade lined up for abreu(wells). too much dealing if that happens though

wow that was longer than i intended.
basically the only match i see is with pittsburgh
JohnL - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 01:44 PM EST (#137854) #

Geez, that Reardon news is sad to see. Here he was, at one point the all-time record holder for lifetime saves, a premium baseball player in an era of multi-million dollar contracts. Now he is a criminal, stealing jewels in a very pathetic way.

No, now he has been CHARGED with theft. We're all innocent until proven guilty.
jsut - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 01:55 PM EST (#137855) #
So who is this "massive" "on field" guest Wilner going to have on at 3:30? My early guess is Wells.
bobbycola - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 02:11 PM EST (#137857) #
Personally, I would much rather see Hilly DH than Koskie. This is how I'd like our infield to be:

3B - Glaus (only because im sure that was part of the deal)
SS - Adams
2B - Hill
1B - Overbay
DH - Hillenbrand

I think for now Hinske's gonna stay on the team and PH and take the load off hilly, overbay, and maybe even Glaus every once in a while. Mainly because of his massive contract, I dont see any team wanting to pick him up.
Nick - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 02:25 PM EST (#137860) #
I don't think Glaus is selfish. I think Glaus feels he would be the best defensive 3B for the Jays next year and therefore would be helping the team. You might think he's wrong, but that's a different issue. If Glaus is fully recovered from the knee injury that hampered him for the last 5 months of last season, he might be a better defender than everyone thinks. That's probably what he believes.

He signed a contract in good faith and one of those components was a no trade clause involving Toronto. If he does not want to be a full-time DH, why should he have to? Why is he selfish? He was not coming to Toronto as a full-time DH. His contract gave him the leverage to politely say no if those were the terms.

How about this - if you were traded to work at a different company but that company wanted you to do a different job than the one you were currently doing and you had the power to say: "No, I don't want to go to your company unless I can work the same job. I like the job I have and I don't want to switch. If I can't work in the same position, I don't think I'll come. And I can do that because my contract says so. Thanks for the offer anyway." Wouldn't you do that?

I would be surprised if Glaus saw zero time at DH. Given his injury history, I would not be surprised to see him DH once or twice a week or even DH full-time if there is an injury that won't allow him to adequately play the field.
CaramonLS - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 02:27 PM EST (#137861) #
Pitts is really the only match I can see, but how good is Craig Wilson's defense in the OF? If he replaces Rios, that is a pretty good defender right there, and Cat isn't a great defender.

I really don't want to completely ruin the great defense we had least season.

This lineup is looking more and more like the BoSox Killers. Right handed bats looking to mash in Fenway, even moreso if we brought Wilson in.
Mr. Destiny - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 02:31 PM EST (#137862) #
I assume Craig Wilson would be to replace Johnson/Cat in left, not Rios. Also allows for flexibility with LH/RH matchups when necessary - Cat and Hinske as LH bats off the bench, Reed as a RH bat.

Who's our backup catcher going to be? Quiroz?
Jacko - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 02:36 PM EST (#137863) #
In the Hudson article, JP suggested that he's considering giving Hinske a crack at RF. I think it's a great idea. Facing only RHP, Hinske would give them decent power out of the RF slot. It would also have the effect of making Rios _earn_ his playing time. A little competition for playing time in RF might stoke Lexi's competitive fires.

Also, there's a real chance the Jays might stick with what they have. Platoons of Koskie/Hillenbrand and Hinske/Rios give the Jays lineup a lot of flexibility.

I'll be the first to admit that it's a little expensive to have 15 MM worth of players for 1.5 lineup spots, but if the trade market really is that weak for HHK, I can't see the logic in selling low. And it's not like Overbay and Glaus won't need days off to keep them fresh.

The only other issue is roster spots. If they Jays stand pat, then they are going to be forced to go with a 11-man pitching staff. Which I don't think is an entirely bad idea. It's pretty hard getting the 7th man in the bullpen enough work to keep him fresh.

Looks like League, McGowan, and Marcum are headed back to AAA for the time being. And whoever loses the competition for swingman (Downs vs. Walker) will probably be picked up by another major league team.

Mike Green - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 03:03 PM EST (#137865) #
Hinske in right-field? Now, there's a real head-scratcher. He was a below average defensive third baseman in his mid-20s. He figures to be absolutely horrid out in right field. Rios is a much better bet.

The team does need a 5th outfielder, and another catcher in case either Zaun or Quiroz is unable to answer the bell.
VBF - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 03:13 PM EST (#137866) #
"No, I don't want to go to your company unless I can work the same job. I like the job I have and I don't want to switch. If I can't work in the same position, I don't think I'll come. And I can do that because my contract says so. Thanks for the offer anyway." Wouldn't you do that?

If switching jobs meant that we could make the playoff equivalent chances even greater, I'd switch in a heartbeat.

However, from the individual point of view in working a business type job, people are more looking into what they can do for themselves instead of what they can do for the business. Why? Because there isn't really an equivalent of winning a world series in a regular job.

Now, you bring up a good point. I'm assuming that Koskie will be better than Glaus. It may be premature to make that assumption.

Chuck - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 03:25 PM EST (#137867) #
I think for now Hinske's gonna stay on the team and PH

Who will he pinch-hit for?

jsut - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 03:27 PM EST (#137868) #
Glaus might change his tune if it becomes apparent that his defense is holding the team back and that him DHing more could put them over the hump into the post season. maybe?
jsut - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 03:38 PM EST (#137869) #
"HUGE" Blue jay guest on the fan in a couple minutes.
jsut - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 03:44 PM EST (#137870) #
It's Doc
VBF - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 03:45 PM EST (#137871) #
Doc on the FAN. Leg is good.
Thomas - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 03:45 PM EST (#137872) #
Doc's on the Fan 590 right now.
Mike Forbes - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 03:47 PM EST (#137873) #
Can someone write up a brief summary of what Doc says? Please?
VBF - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 03:55 PM EST (#137874) #
-Sad to see Hudson go, but needed the offense
-Alot of options (MacDonald, Hill, Adams)
-Glaus was a tough out, glad to have him here
-Nice additions take pressure of Wells, Koskie
-Same approach even with Burnett, solid one two punch going into big cities
-Burnett came across as excited, anxious to get backwith Arny at their initial meeting
-Burnett adds to comoradery(sp?) factor
-Arnsberg is great
-Towers will maintain success
-Chacin doesn't get easily shaken, will be able to battle adversity
-On the topic of losing Batista, Doc said there are other guys to step into helping Chacin maintain success (Batista and Chacin were close fyi)

Chuck - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 03:57 PM EST (#137876) #
Glaus is going to be a free agent when he's 32, at which time he'll carry much more market value as a 3B then as a DH. While it may appear selfish to not do what's in the team's best interest in 2005, he does have the rest of his career to think about. Becoming a DH now and having his defensive skills atrophy won't help him long term. It's certainly understandable that he'd want to be play the field.
Chuck - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 04:05 PM EST (#137877) #
er... make that 2006. Glaus has certainly done what's in the team's best interest in 2005, i.e., foregoing his no trade clause to allow the deal to go through.
MatO - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 04:20 PM EST (#137878) #
There's an interview with Dick Scott over at bluejayway.ca. Of note is that Brian Hall has developed a form of thyroid cancer but is doing well according to Scott. Scott hopes to have him ready to play sometime in 2006. For those who don't know, Hall was a 2004 10th rounder who played 2B for Auburn and put up good numbers that year. Well enough to make him an interesting prospect at the time. However he missed all of 2005 with a torn labrum.
melondough - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 04:27 PM EST (#137879) #
58,000 votes made on ESPN.com re: which team most bettered themselves this offseason:
Mets 34%
Blue Jays 33%
Yankees 19%
Dodgers 14%
I just love the "view map" option.

I would agree that the Mets, Blue Jays, and Dodgers should be there. I don't think the Yankess improved their team more than Tex or CWS though.

ESPN has also just this minute added a new Glaus vote thread and an insider posting by Eric Karabell - it is geared toward fantasy league owners.

Summary
-Expect Glaus to hit .250 with 30/100
-One of Hinke, Koskie, or Shea is headed out
-As of now, lineup seems good enough to score runs but not at the pace of NYY or Boston (do we not have a better hitting lineup than Boston right now?)
-He pegs the batting order as Cat, Hill, Wells, Overbay, Glaus
-Hill does not have the power nor the glove Hudson has but the LSU star has hit at every level and takes walks (more doubles and walks than k's). He should not be bad in the field either
-Draft him around round 15th round and watch him hit near .300 with 100+ runs b/c he figures to hit 2nd
-Santos struggled last yr in AAA but the 21 year old was behind two ss's already. He could be a name we see in 3 or 4 years
-Arizona made this deal not entirely for the players acquired but also to free up some space for others in their lineup
-Hudson could hit 2nd
-Batista is not likely to make much of a fantasy impact
Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 04:31 PM EST (#137880) #
I just don't think Koskie is as good a defender as he gets credit for. Perhaps he was better in Minny, but watching him last year, he constantly seemed a step slow. Mostly on little dribblers. He was terrific down the 3B line, but seemed to have weak reaction on balls to left. I don't know...just appeared average to my eye. I don't think there'll be much difference (if any) between Koskie and Glaus.
Michael - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 04:35 PM EST (#137881) #
I hope the SS prospect is really a good player as I feel the loss of Batista is a huge blow. If ARI uses Batista as a starter he puts up a better ERA+, more IP, and better WARP than how many of the following players:
- Halladay
- AJ Burnett
- Lilly
- Towers
- Chacin
3 year and 5 year numbers for the above suggest that only Halladay is a great bet to beat him.
Player     5yr IP 5yr ERA+      3yr IP  3yr ERA+
Halladay   177.1   149.4        180.2    148.1
Batista    158.1   116.0        155.6    115.1
Burnett    145.9   113.2        117.3    113.3
Towers     111.4   103.3        129.8    110.1
Lilly      144.5   101.4        167.3    102.1
Chacin      N/A     N/A          72.3    123.5
So I think you'd expect Batista to outpitch at least 2, probably 3, and maybe even 4 of the Jays starting pitchers next year (cumulatively, you'd expect in a head to head bet he'd pitch better than any except Halladay - unless you believe one year of Chacin shows his true ability, then maybe you think he'd Chacin would out pitch him), assuming he's in the starting rotation in Arizona.
daryn - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 04:55 PM EST (#137883) #
Checking out the available Free Agents, J.T. Snow, Tino Martinez, Joe Randa, Greg Colbrunn, and Kevin Millar are all available

I would think any one of those would be a good fit for that Critical 6th Cornerman position
einsof - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 04:57 PM EST (#137884) #
New ALL Jays ESPN POLL
link-- http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/polling?event_id=1937

I hope no one else posted this, if so sorry
CeeBee - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 05:20 PM EST (#137885) #
Looks like a lot of Jays fans have already voted.
Michael - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 05:40 PM EST (#137887) #
As of now, lineup seems good enough to score runs but not at the pace of NYY or Boston (do we not have a better hitting lineup than Boston right now?)
We definitely do not have as good a lineup hitting wise as Boston. I think people seriously underestimate how good Boston is. Here is weighted 3-year OPS+ numbers for Jays lineup and bench and Boston's lineup and bench:

Toronto     OPS+  OPS+  Boston

Glaus       126   156   Ramirez
Overbay     115   151   Ortiz
Wells       114   130   Nixon
Koskie      111   125   Veritek
Catalanotto 107   120   Loretta
Hill        92    113   Lowell
Adams       91.4  104   Petagine
Zaun        89.5  78.4  Cora
Rios        83    34    Stern? (The sox have no CF on the roster, but can surely add one whose better)

Average     103.2 112.3 Average

Bench

Hillenbrand 103   103   Youkilis
Hinske      99.5  98    Graffanino
Johnson     89.9  69.6  Flaherty
So the Jays bench is a bit better and deeper than the Sox, and you might think someone like Lowell is all done and Petagine is too old (but then they have Graffanino and Youkilis who can step in with out too much of a loss). Even with virtually no one in CF (using Stern's cup of coffee 34 numbers) and even with Alex Cora as SS (and they might use one of the 2b/3b as SS and play one of Youklis or Graffanino insted of Cora) the Sox still have an average OPS+ nearly 10 points higher than the Jays and the Sox average is higher than ALL but 3 of the Jays. If the Sox put even a 75 OPS+ player in CF then the average starting lineup OPS+ for the Red Sox (using these three year averages) is higher than the OPS+ for every single Jay bar Glaus. So no the Jays lineup is not better than the Sox right now.
Ron - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 05:45 PM EST (#137888) #
melondough - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 06:02 PM EST (#137889) #
Michael, that is a good analysis. Ramirez really skews the Sox OPS number though. If he is dealt even for a very good hitter, I am confident the Jays hitters could outperform - regardless of what the HISTORICAL numbers are.
greenfrog - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 06:05 PM EST (#137890) #
I don't like the 2009 player option. Suddenly a deal that involved a Giles-like obligation of roughly $33M (Glaus' annual salary 2006-08 is 9.25M, 10.75, 12.75) becomes a $45M obligation (assuming you tack on another 12 mil for 2009). It's basically like signing another pricey free agent--except we lose Hudson and Batista. And an injury-prone one at that.

Again, I'm happy to have Glaus, but it seems that all these players are really leveraging Toronto's perceived need to contend now. I'm not saying I wouldn't have done the deal. I just think we've exposed ourselves to a lot of risk, not so much for 2006, but for 2007-09.
andrewkw - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 06:22 PM EST (#137891) #
Did the press confrence happen? Was it on tv? I don't really feel like hearing about hockey for the next few hrs on the score and sportsnet to find out...
Jevant - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 06:24 PM EST (#137892) #
630 Andrew
GeoffAtMac - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 06:25 PM EST (#137894) #
Can we watch it on TV? What channel?
DepecheJay - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 06:28 PM EST (#137895) #
But the Jays DO need to win this year... or atleast win as many games to show that they are a year away from being a playoff team. If anything, I really believe that THIS YEAR could be the year. The offense appears to be in place, sure moves will be made to dump guys out of here but it looks good for now, and the pitching looks EXTREMELY solid (says A-Rod too!)

I'm not too sure if next year's FA class will be that much stronger, but if 07 is REALLY "the year" I'd like for the FA's like Burnett and Ryan and now Glaus through the trade to get a year of Toronto underneath their belts. I think it would be a bit too much to go into this season with basically last year's roster and then suddenly sign mass FA's in 07 and expect to just suddenly win.

I like the path JP is taking,,, even if it means that mah boy O-Dog will be playing in Zona instead. However, it does make me feel much better reading O-Dog's comments and how understanding he was. I will forever have a man-crush on Orlando Hudson.

GO GLAUS!
Mike Green - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 06:29 PM EST (#137896) #
It would take great leaps forward from Adams, Hill and Rios for the Jay offence to score more runs than Boston's. Boston has scored 961, 949 and 910 runs the last 3 seasons. The additions of Marte, Loretta, Pedroia, Lowell and a replacement level centerfielder for Mueller, Cora, Renteria, Millar and Damon are in my view a wash, and the Sox can be expected to score 880-920 runs this year. If the Jays are to pass Boston in the standings, they will need superior pitching and defence.
Ryan B. - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 06:34 PM EST (#137897) #
Anywhere on the net I can check out the news conference?
VBF - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 06:36 PM EST (#137898) #
This doesn't make sense. TSN, SNET, and The Score are all showing meaningless re-run highlights and 590 isn't even talking about it. Was it changed??
jsut - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 06:37 PM EST (#137899) #
tsn has a link on the main page, but it's not showing anything for me.
greenfrog - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 06:39 PM EST (#137900) #
there's a link on the Jays' official site. Looks like the conference hasn't started yet, unless I missed something
MulRedux - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 06:46 PM EST (#137906) #
I don't think you missed anything yet greenfrog. Currently the press conference seems to be populated with microphones and bottled water and no one is yet asking the tough questions.
GeoffAtMac - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 06:47 PM EST (#137907) #
MulRedux -- where / how are you watching this? I can't find it online, or on TV.
Joel - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 06:49 PM EST (#137909) #
I'm hanging around MLB.com waiting for the press conference, and decided to click on the MLB TV link. It started up on some programming with Joe Carter being hoisted up at the end of the 1993 WS.

Is this fate?

Whatever, I'm starting to warm up to this trade, as it fits into the entire picture that JP is trying to construct.
MulRedux - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 06:50 PM EST (#137910) #
Geoff, there's a link on bluejays.com (front page) under the heading "Deal for third baseman Glaus moves closer".
Joel - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 06:52 PM EST (#137912) #
Wilner on the FAN is reporting how late the conference is (25 minutes now and more). I found the link on the Jays site. Just water bottles and microphones as previously noted.
Mylegacy - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 06:54 PM EST (#137913) #
Tsn.ca

there's a link near the top

it hasn't started yet
GeoffAtMac - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 06:56 PM EST (#137914) #
Thanks for pointing me to the link...it doesn't seem to be working for me. I will have to keep trying.
Pistol - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:00 PM EST (#137915) #
Matt - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:00 PM EST (#137916) #
I just clicked the link and had tried fast forwarding, thinking that I was watching a re-run. Ah fashionably late Troy...
Joel - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:02 PM EST (#137917) #
Wilner just broke away for the Raptors. He left off saying that there was no JP, Glaus or Overbay to be seen. I guess the lesser lights were the only ones hiding behind the curtain.
VBF - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:13 PM EST (#137920) #
Can we confirm that the water bottles may or may not be full and the seal may or may not be broken?
HoJu - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:13 PM EST (#137921) #
Watching the cybercast on TSN.ca. Still no sign of Glaus. That water must be ready to boil soon.
Matt - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:17 PM EST (#137922) #
I can hear the sounds of reporters getting grumpier and grumpier :)
Joel - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:19 PM EST (#137923) #
Mrs. Glaus must be having trouble parking the horses.
Original Ryan - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:21 PM EST (#137924) #
Hopefully Troy's throws over to Overbay at first won't be this late.
MulRedux - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:22 PM EST (#137925) #
It appears that one of the reporters is now playing some sort of a cell phone game. It also appears the bottled water is getting warmer by the minute. No word on potential replacement bottles.
VBF - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:22 PM EST (#137926) #
It's sorta funny eavesdropping on their conversations.

"Are we in the right room?"

"You do realize we're watching two hats."
Jevant - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:25 PM EST (#137928) #
Delay due to waiting for a call for player to complete physical - must be Hudson...
HippyGilmore - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:25 PM EST (#137929) #
They're awaiting word on a physical. I guess someone's took longer than expected
VBF - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:25 PM EST (#137930) #
So about his questionable defence, the D-Backs radio guy (or somebody in the media( was on the FAN and said he was pretty good.

I think Jay Stenhouse just said we're waiting on glaus' physical. I hope there's no problems. *fingers crossed*.
MulRedux - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:26 PM EST (#137931) #
Update: they're waiting on a call from someone regarding a particular player's physical, patience pleaded.
VBF - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:26 PM EST (#137932) #
Hudson that is :)
melondough - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:28 PM EST (#137933) #
I am watching the water bottles on MLB.com too. Now offciailly I have no life.

Ron - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:28 PM EST (#137934) #
LOL at the Jays PR guy joking around with a photographer if he's getting time and a half.

They're waiting on a phone call before they can start the press conference.
VBF - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:28 PM EST (#137935) #
Jeter would've been on time.
Jevant - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:33 PM EST (#137937) #
Finally started - Overbay there as well
Matt - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:38 PM EST (#137938) #
I love how non-commital they are when speaking of contention :)...
Joel - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:38 PM EST (#137939) #
Delgado is definitely gone. Glaus gets 25, Overbay 35.
Andrew K - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:39 PM EST (#137940) #
Lyle has a nice press conference manner -- very confident and straightforward. I do like the look of him. Glaus is a bit uptight, maybe nervous.
Nick - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:40 PM EST (#137941) #
Glaus is #25. Hmm.
Ron - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:42 PM EST (#137942) #
JP just said Glaus is the Jays 3B.
Nick - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:46 PM EST (#137943) #
Ha, Overbay's right - he doesn't have good numbers against Burnett. 0-9 with 4 K's.
DepecheJay - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:47 PM EST (#137944) #
I agree about Lyle's press conference manner, seems like a nice dude. Funny how NO ONE mentioned the no trade clause except for Lyle. He's really on top of things and he GENUINELY looks like he likes the city of Toronto and he's proud to be a Jay.
Andrew K - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:48 PM EST (#137945) #
Interesting when JP was asked about the lineup. He mentioned Glaus at 4, Lyle at 3 or 5, then Wells, Shea. Plus with Adams and Hill, blah blah blah. Who's the missing man? Koskie.

He says the payroll is about $72M right now. I can't quite work out why that's correct but I daresay he knows what he is talking about!
Lefty - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:50 PM EST (#137946) #
Well part of it might be that Shea is not officially signed yet?
Nick - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:50 PM EST (#137947) #
JP mentions they don't have to move anyone. Interesting. His payroll figure of $72 million also (kind of) confirms that Blair's number came from the organization. Maybe they do plan on trying to move someone to the outfield. Payroll restrictions or not - neither Koskie nor Hillenbrand is going to be happy as a bench player.
VBF - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:51 PM EST (#137948) #
Maybe it's not including the 8 million signing bonus and has Burnett making 2 million this year.

DepecheJay - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:51 PM EST (#137949) #
Wow, JP said he doesn't have to move anyone.

Either he's trying to do what he did with Batista... which seemingly worked, or he seriously is considering bringing back everyone.

Hinske on the bench with Koskie and Hillenbrand platooning at DH. That's a pretty deep team, no?
Matt - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:51 PM EST (#137950) #
The other interesting thing is JP said that he doesn't need to trade anyone. So the roster, as is, can remain intact going into spring training and beyond.

So, trading hinske/koskie/etc. is not a neccessity.

melondough - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:53 PM EST (#137952) #
He also mentioned Catalanotto being in the lineup. So it definately looks like he wants to move Hinkse or Koskie - though he said he really does not need to move anyone (but I think that is just talk).
Lefty - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:53 PM EST (#137953) #
I can't get the P.Conf., can someone sum it all up when its over. Those who were out enjoying the holiday might also appreciate reading a summary later too. Many thanks
Thomas - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:53 PM EST (#137954) #
Is the press conference archived in video form on the MLB website anywhere?
CeeBee - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:55 PM EST (#137955) #
It sounds to me like JP is trying to up the trade value of his spare parts by saying that he does not need to move anyone. I'm betting that he does move at least 2 players and maybe more before spring training. :)
Mylegacy - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:57 PM EST (#137957) #
Platoon DH?

Lefty Koskie vs RIGHTIES 265/365/437
Righty Hilly vs LEFTIES 325/361/525

Hinske vs RIGHTIES 283/358/452
Nick - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 07:58 PM EST (#137958) #
Here is an article from the Jays' beat reporter for MLB.com. It has some good quotes from Sparky, VW, and Hinske. Mostly cliche - they'll miss Hudson, but they're excited to get Glaus. One noteworthy aspect - Hinske says he's willing to try playing the outfield:

http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051227&content_id=1287486&vkey=news_tor&fext=.jsp&c_id=tor
Ron - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 08:00 PM EST (#137959) #
I put very little stock in JP's public comments.

He said on WWJP towards late last season that Hudson was going nowhere.

He also denied the NY Paper story about Ryan signing here.

It's nearly impossible for the Jays to carry Overbay, Glaus, Hinske, Koskie, and Hillenbrand on the roster unless the Jays are going to go with a 11 man pitching staff.
VBF - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 08:03 PM EST (#137960) #
I noticed the Damon press conference was archived so I can only assume that the press conference featuring two of the biggest blockbuster trades players will be too.

Glaus: "We're gonna put Toronto at the top, where it deserves to be"
Joel - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 08:43 PM EST (#137962) #
It was nice of Rob Godfrey to mention Orlando and Miguel, mostly I suppose as a tip to the fans who will miss the former very much. I found Blair's comment the other day that Hudson was harder to get to in the locker room than Miguel to be interesting.

Whatever this team does, Glaus waiving his clause isn't just an endorsement of the turf, but of the team that is here too. He isn't coming to play on artificial turf, that is for sure.

You have to wonder at reporters trying to put him on the spot about the other 3Bs on the team. What is he supposed to say?

JP must have an idea of who he can move and who he cannot. Probably nothing more will happen until a few more free agents sign elsewhere and January starts to wind down towards camp. The market could open up again later and a trade could be done. Whatever, the Jays must have an idea of how they want the team to look. They just mustn't want to insult anyone by saying specifically who is going to get traded.
Chuck - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 08:44 PM EST (#137963) #
Don't believe Ricciardi for a minute. He's saying what a GM has to say publically. But that doesn't mean it's true. Why say out loud that you have to move a player? What's the possible upside?

Truth is, at least one of the 1B/3B/DH types does have to be moved. Otherwise, the team is locked into a 5-man bench (which is fine, since it means only an 11-man pitching staff, which I prefer), but that these 5 are made up of: Quiroz (or a proxy backup CA), McDonald, one of the LF platoon and 2 of Hillenbrand, Koskie and Hinske.

While I don't expect an upgrade over McDonald, an additional middle infielder, or a third catcher, it would be nice to see one of the "glut" replaced with a 5th outfielder, preferably a LHB. Tell me that someone cheap like a Davanon wouldn't be more valuable than hanging on to an oh so redundant Hinske.

Thomas - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 09:35 PM EST (#137967) #
The press conference is archived on the MLB.com frontpage, if anyone is interested.
Nolan - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 10:18 PM EST (#137969) #
A little off topic from Glaus and the press conference...

It would be quite nice to grab one more bat of at least Overbay quality for the outfield, as many here have already noted. Does JP have one more huge blockbuster in him? I've been wondering about the plausibilty about a Grady Sizemore-to-Toronto trade:

to TO: Sizemore

to CLE: McGowan/Rios/Shea and a B pitching prospect (Marcum?)

Is this is in anyway realistic? We give up a lot, but it may not satisfy Cleveland as they may nt be sold on McGowan, the linchpin of the return package.


Well, there...I let my inner GM ramble a bit and feel much better.
Nolan - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 10:25 PM EST (#137971) #
Ok, so the Tribe are never going to trade their cornerstone and probable franchise player...
timpinder - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 10:57 PM EST (#137977) #
I hope J.P. wouldn't trade McGowan. Forget the numbers. Look at his stuff, and just a year after Tommy John.
timpinder - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 11:07 PM EST (#137978) #
As for getting another OF, I'd be happy if the OF was left alone. Rios is good defensively and needs to be given a chance to develop offensively. You can't sell the entire farm.

Trade Hinske to dump salary, and trade one of Koskie or Hillenbrand for C insurance. That would also allow for some financial wiggle room should the Jays be in contention near the trade deadline.

If Glaus or the DH get hurt, Griffin can come up and DH for the league minimum wage.
Nolan - Tuesday, December 27 2005 @ 11:09 PM EST (#137979) #
If JP could get Sizemore for McGowan, I'd be ecstatic.

Sizemore has proved he is of star talent and as much as I am optimistic of Dustin's potential, there is still much that could go wrong.
Geoff - Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 02:09 AM EST (#137997) #
While I agree that Sizemore is a great prospect, particularly if you consider the possible ramifications of him playing more like Grady on the Road than Grady at Home of 2005:
SPLIT 	AB 	R 	H 	2B 	3B 	HR 	RBI 	BB 	HBP 	SO 	SB 	CS 	AVG 	OBP 	SLG 	OPS
Home 	322	45	82	20	2	10	29	28	3	70	14	5	.255	.318	.422	.741
Away 	318	66	103	17	9	12	52	24	4	62	8	5	.324	.379	.547	.926
I also think that you can't base everything on what can go wrong. You base it on what you expect to go well. So much could go wrong with Grady. He could lose his speed. He could test positive for steroids. He could be arrested on a robbery rap. He could hit like Tom Sizemore when he gets to the Jays.

Shannon Stewart showed a much better OBP but less power and far fewer strikeouts than Sizemore and he stole 51 of 69 bags attempted in his first full season. Last season he had one of his worst seasons: no speed, no OBP, no slugging.

This from a guy who ranked 4th in MVP voting a few seasons ago in 2003.

So is Sizemore looking much more valuable than Stewart in his early days? Sure, Sizemore can be credited with a better defensive rating you say, but still you don't know that McGowan will fall apart any better than you know what will happen with Sizemore.

Craig B - Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 10:27 AM EST (#138010) #
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, B.J. RYAN!
HollywoodHartman - Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 01:55 PM EST (#138032) #
Rotoworld is reporting that the ChiSox have locked up Jon Garland for 3 years/ $29 Million.
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