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Hey, a real move! The Mets traded Mike Cameron to the Padres for Xavier Nady, pending physicals.

The thinking is that the Mets are freeing up salary for a run at Wagner, Ramirez, and/or Delgado. San Diego gets a center fielder to cover that big PetCo outfield.

** In Jays news, Ricciardi has talked with Erubiel Durazo's agent. Durazo would presumably serve as the DH if he signed with the Jays. He's coming off a year where he only played 41 games, he'll be 32 next year, and he's only played over 100 games twice.

However, when he's played he's produced. His career line is .281/.381/.487.

The big unknown with Durazo is what will it take to sign him, both the dollar amount and contract length. Bauxites predicted an average annual salary between $1.5 million and $7.5 million, with an average of $4.2 million.

Also, noted in the Sun article is that Ricciardi again spoke with Burnett's agent, but doesn't expect any action, with Burnett or other players, until after the end of next week.

** Josh Towers is locked up now, but what about the other arbitration eligible players? The GM says "We'll get them all done. We're not going to non-tender any of them."

The arbitration eligible players are pitchers Ted Lilly, Scott Downs, Pete Walker, and hitters Shea Hillenbrand, Orlando Hudson, Reed Johnson and John McDonald.

Bringing back both Downs and Walker creates a situation where there's likely going to be more pitchers than the 12 usual roster spots, which would seem to indicate that a trade will be very likely with a pitcher or two this offseason.

** As always, go and vote for Tom Cheek, for the rest of the month for the Frick Award.

** Anything else interesting going on?

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Craig B - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 09:03 AM EST (#132287) #
<i>"We'll get them all done. We're not going to non-tender any of them." </i>

Excellent news.

In other news, baseball thinks it's close to a deal on a stadium lease in Washington, and expect a deal within a week. Therefore we should expect it to drag on for another four months.
Mike Green - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 09:35 AM EST (#132290) #
** Josh Towers is locked up now, but what about the other arbitration eligible players? The GM says "We'll get them all done. We're not going to non-tender any of them."

The arbitration eligible players are pitchers Ted Lilly, Scott Downs, Pete Walker, and hitters Shea Hillenbrand, Orlando Hudson, Reed Johnson and John McDonald.


I guess that I have to go back to the drawing board on my calculations of the amount of freely available cash. Adding in Downs, Walker and McDonald will knock off $2.5-$3 million off the available cash, leaving roughly $20 million left for 2006 (assuming that the 2005-6 money is divided evenly).

I must admit that I do not understand the reasoning behind the process here. Waiting for free agent decisions to be made by Burnett, Giles, Ryan et. al., before making trades has a number of unfortunate consequences. One seems to be making salary commitments to parts that may or may not be needed. The other appears to be pressure on the 40 man roster. The deadline for freezing the rosters is on Saturday, and there are still notable omissions.
Jordan - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 09:35 AM EST (#132291) #
I'm a little surprised to hear Pete Walker's coming back. The magic seemed to be wearing off from about June onwards, and I think Shaun Marcum could provide 80% of his value at about 20% of his price.
PeterG - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 09:56 AM EST (#132293) #
And I would much rather have Josh Banks on the 40 man than Walker.
Mike Green - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 09:57 AM EST (#132294) #
Pete Walker is a perfectly fine middle reliever, but I think that Shaun Marcum could deliver 120% of the value for 20% of the price. The consequence of keeping him and Marcum on the 40 man roster is likely to be leaving a good player exposed in the Rule 5. We'll see.
Pistol - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 10:04 AM EST (#132296) #
Walker surprises me a bit too since he'll be around $1 million next year and the bullpen seems crowded already.

Right now the pitching staff would be:

Halladay
Towers
Chacin
Lilly
Bush

Batista
Frasor
Chulk
Schoeneweis
Speier
Downs
Walker

That gets you to 12.

And then there's still:
Gaudin (out of options)
League
McGowan
Marcum

Marcum's very likely to start in Syracuse as well as McGowan. League is always interesting, and they have to keep Gaudin in Toronto or risk losing him (which I would think would be pretty likely).

And if a free agent pitcher is signed you further crowd the pitching staff. At some point trading away a pitcher almost has to be done.

Which of course beats the alternative of having to sign Creek and Tam and hope for the best.
Gerry - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 10:30 AM EST (#132300) #
The Jays can afford to deal a bullpen guy or guys. Then Walker would still be at the back of the pen.
Jonny German - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 10:42 AM EST (#132301) #
Putting some numbers to why I also think it's a bad idea to keep Walker:

Pre All-Star: 2.55 ERA in 53 IP
Post All-Star: 5.23 ERA in 31 IP
Overall: 33 BB, 43 K in 84 IP

Maybe it was a trick answer, maybe Walker will be released rather than non-tendered.
Wildrose - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 10:47 AM EST (#132302) #
Not sure Reed Johnson is arbitration eligible. He has only 2 years-14 days of service time at the end of 2005. He may well be a "super two", but with only 14 days of service I don't think he'd be in the top 17% of his class.
Pistol - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 11:00 AM EST (#132304) #
That service time looks off. Johnson has over 400 games played in the past 3 years so he'd definitely be arbitration eligible.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/johnsre02.shtml
Marc Hulet - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 11:00 AM EST (#132305) #
I imagine the Jays will make a couple more additions to the 40-man roster by Saturday's deadline. A lot of teams have been slower than usual this year setting their rosters. I spoke with the Jays' director of player development Dick Scott yesterday and I was given the distinct impression that Ryan Roberts would likely be added to the 40-man roster by Saturday and I would be shocked if Banks was not as well. I certainly would trade Walker for Banks any day of the week.

Scott also, interestingly enough, compared Roberts to the Braves' Marcus Giles - with lesser defensive abilities.
Jonny German - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 11:11 AM EST (#132306) #
According to the media guide Reed had 1 year, 146 days of ML service coming into 2005. The cutoff point for Super-2s is usually around 2 years and 130 days, so Reed will qualify.
Wildrose - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 11:15 AM EST (#132307) #
Yes, Pistol he looks super two eligible given the 114 games in 2003, my source is wrong.

Durazo is an interesting case. Good hitter in a tough ball-park, some reports don't have him healthy until June. Given the positive recovery rate for pitchers with TJ surgery I think there's reason to be optimistic regarding a bounceback ( how the hell does a D.H. hurt his elbow?).With new ownership in Oakland, and given how much Beane likes this guy, could there be a bidding war between best friends?

Blair has his latest up.

Wildrose - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 11:27 AM EST (#132308) #
And in other news, and proving some things never change, Dick attacks Ricciardi, I think comment 3 is quite incisive.
Jordan - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 11:32 AM EST (#132309) #
I'm especially pleased that Primer has mistakenly attributed Griffin's column to The Sun.
Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 11:39 AM EST (#132310) #
Make a huge major multi-player trade before the winter meetings, giving up a couple of your very top prospects for a young veteran major-league stud with 30-40 home run power.

It must be a guy with between two and four years of major-league service. Then ink said player to a multi-year contract. That would be a signal to other free agents and their reps that the Jays are in business.

After that, J.P. should get one of those 18 litre bottles of water from Loblaws and turn it into wine. If there's any spare time after that, he should part Lake Ontario.

Flex - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 12:01 PM EST (#132312) #
Some of that stuff is, admittedly, pie-in-the-sky, easy-for-you-to-say blather. But the comments about Ricciardi himself I actually don't have much problem with. He has, in fact, always acted like an outsider, and still does, which is odd after four years.
Pistol - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 12:03 PM EST (#132313) #
I'm especially pleased that Primer has mistakenly attributed Griffin's column to The Sun.

I'm especially pleased that Bauxites are largely indifferent to Griffin these days.

Newton - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 12:04 PM EST (#132314) #
Durazo:

What will he command as a FA?

Tommy John Surgery for Hitters:

While only an anecdotal example Luis Gonzalez played nearly a full season requiring TJ in 2004 (really only affecting his throwing negatively)shutting it down in early August. He had the surgery shortly thereafter and returned in time for opening day 2005 showing little if any ill effects.

Every player heals differently but Durazo should be ready well before the All-Star break possibly by opening day especially if he is only called upon to DH (Hafner has a bum elbow and it doesn't affect his swing...).

Conclusion: Perfect time to nab this masher of righties. Wouldn't hesitate to spend up to 5 or 6 million per season to land this OBP machine.

I think he steps in as our best offensive player immediately.




HoJu - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 12:31 PM EST (#132316) #
From Blair's blog today:

Canada's chances of winning the World Baseball Classic may be on the verge of increasing dramatically if, as MLB.com reports, former Blue Jays manager and ESPN analyst Buck Martinez really is on the short list of candidates to manage Team USA.

That's cold.
Rob - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 02:25 PM EST (#132320) #
If J.P.'s going to turn water into wine, why doesn't he turn Lake Ontario into water?
Dan Fords Cousin - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 02:36 PM EST (#132321) #
Do you want Burnett at $12 million per year for six years? Looks like that is what the going rate is.
Ron - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 02:42 PM EST (#132322) #
The Blue Jays have offered AJ a 5 year deal at around 50 million dollars.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=2227230
Flex - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 02:53 PM EST (#132323) #
It's chancy, but they had to do it. The money's right, and maybe the 5 years will scare off others, although not according to Crasnick, who says four teams are willing to go there. Still, our hat's in the ring. I agree with the move.
GrrBear - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 02:57 PM EST (#132324) #
Re: Griffin's column

This is my favourite:

Get rid of the tell-tale roots that you carry around like a security blanket. Face it, any story emanating from any U.S. news source about Ricciardi, at some point in the feature, will mention either his Boston heritage or his A's connections. Give it up. It's as if he's doing Toronto a huge favour, hacking his way into the northern wilds with a machete teaching the natives the subtleties of the game.

How exactly does J.P. control what the media says about him? I guess it was okay to keep talking about how Gord Ash and Paul Beeston were good old Canadian boys, right? J.P. has a very obvious accent. Media people keep bringing up his roots because they see it as an angle, especially since Epstein jumped ship in Boston. So what is J.P. supposed to do? Hire a dialect coach so he can sound more like a Canadian? As for the subtleties of the game, it's a virtual certainty that Ricciardi has forgotten more about baseball than Griffin will ever know. Suggesting J.P. should abandon his roots, move to Toronto, and get 'a little more humble'... could this hack be any more arrogant?

I'm sure if J.P. pulls off the incredible and grabs a young slugger in exchange for prospects, Griffin will take all the credit. That's almost a good enough reason not to do it.
Jordan - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 03:04 PM EST (#132325) #
Good for the Jays -- they're being aggressive and leading the charge. The fifth year will eliminate all but the most ardent suitors, and at that point, it becomes a matter of (a) average annual salary and (b) who'll guarantee a sixth year.

I'd offer Burnett a club option for Year Six, but no way would I guarantee it. And I tend to doubt that the Jays will offer top dollar no matter what -- I think they'll still rely on Arnsberg's presence, on Halladay's role as ace (so that Burnett has less pressure), and on the less-intense spotlight of Toronto as non-money benefits.

I haven't changed my position on signing Burnett -- I don't think he meets the team's most pressing need and I don't know that he's going to make the necessary step up to virtual co-ace performance. But the Jays having made their choice, I applaud their determination to pursue it at full speed. I do think this is a marketplace in which aggressiveness will pay more dividends than usual.
Kingsley Zissou - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 03:08 PM EST (#132326) #
I don't like that Burnett's not willing to make a decision until after the winter meetings. We need to get him signed PRONTO so we can move onto either BJ Ryan, Giles, a trade for a bat, or a combination of the 3.
Burnett has to be the first piece of the puzzle, and I'd hate to lose out on Giles or a Dunn/Kearns because we were waiting. Damn.
Wildrose - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 03:14 PM EST (#132327) #
I thought an interesting note in the Crasnick column, was that Pat Hengten , has also been part of the Blue Jays full court press.
Ken MacDonald - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 03:19 PM EST (#132328) #
Lets face it,the chances of signing AJ,Ryan,Thomas or Giles are long shot at best maybe they should look into getting something done quickly with guys like Hasegawa,Washburn,Piazza,Mike Myers and Durazo now before the losers in the big money free agent races start to look at the 2nd level guys.It also might be a good idea to bring in Quantrill and Mesa very cheaply.Somewhat like the Koch deal last spring and if it doesn't work out you could always cut them loose.They might be able to make a trade later on for a big bat with the extra pitching and solid prospects they have build up.
mistermike - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 03:28 PM EST (#132331) #
Check this out:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=2227230

Jays have reportedly offered Burnett 5 years, $50 million.

Walk away, JP! A five-year deal for a guy with a 49-50 career record? And one major surgery behind him already. Too risky.

Burnett will get a five year deal for someone. The last pitcher to sign a five year deal is Chan Ho Park, under similar circumstances -- a shortage of free agent starting pitching and several teams desperate to land a "big name" starter.
greenfrog - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 03:35 PM EST (#132332) #
The bidding will go higher, for sure. Maybe $60M/5 years? $70M/6 years? I guess at some point AJ is going to have to decide where he actually wants to play for the next half-decade or so.

I'm guessing the Jays get flushed out once the bidding goes past $55M/5.

Jonny German - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 03:40 PM EST (#132333) #
I've defended the idea of signing Burnett here in the past, but 5 years $50M sounds excessive. Can't say for sure that it IS excessive until we see how the market plays out and what other moves the Jays would follow a Burnett signing with.
Maldoff - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 03:46 PM EST (#132334) #
In an interesting side note to one of the articles posted, it mentions that the Red Sox would consider getting into the AJ bidding, and then peddling off Clement. Maybe let them sign AJ, and trade for Clement? Boston sure could use an infielder/good young reliever.....
Kingsley Zissou - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 04:06 PM EST (#132336) #
I'm a little worried that Clement still has the yips from getting skulled. His numbers post-head trauma were not pretty.
Maldoff - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 04:06 PM EST (#132337) #
In an article on SI.com, John Donovan lists the top 10 trade candidates, 5 of which are big-bopping outfielders or first baseman (Delgado, Thome, Overbay, Glaus, and Dunn). For each player, it seems as if the trading team wants some young pitching in return.

JP should just swallow hard, hope for the best, and trade some of his stable of young arms for one of these guys.
Edward - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 04:07 PM EST (#132338) #
I wonder why JP was first out of gate? Maybe being first(with an aggressive offer) gives him a first right of refusal against the best offer (once all offers have been received) - because surely and unfortanately there will be a better offer than that.
Edward - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 04:16 PM EST (#132339) #
Crap, that should read: "I wonder why JP was first out of THE gate."
Mike Green - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 04:22 PM EST (#132342) #
Five years/$50 million? I certainly wouldn't have recommended that. At 3X12 plus 2X7, it's roughly what I expected the market to be.

I would much rather have Giles at 3/45 or Ryan at 3/30 than Burnett at 5/50. It's not even remotely close. If one is going to overpay, overpay for quality.
Petey Baseball - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 04:23 PM EST (#132343) #
Pete Walker put up great numbers, and was quite effective when used in long relief. Marcum is probably going to even better. Why not keep them both? Reliability, people.
Kingsley Zissou - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 04:24 PM EST (#132344) #
If all Cincy wants for Dunn is cheap young pitching, I'd be on the phone asking them to name their price. Dunn in a Jays uniform would make the offseason for me, regardless of what else transpires. Aquiring Dunn, Burnett, Ryan and trading of Towers and Batista is my wet dream.
Pistol - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 04:27 PM EST (#132345) #
"I'm a little worried that Clement still has the yips from getting skulled. His numbers post-head trauma were not pretty."


Clement's ERA was 4.43 prior to getting him and 4.86 after he got hit. He ended up the season at 4.57.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?playerId=3938
slitheringslider - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 06:03 PM EST (#132352) #
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051117&content_id=1269501&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Gustavo Chacin and Russ Adams was named to the Topps Rookie All-Star Team and the Toronto Blue Jays are one of three teams (Oakland, Atlanta, and Toronto) to have two representativies on the team.

Congratulations to Gustavo Chacin and Russ Adams
Jdog - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 06:36 PM EST (#132353) #
Why on earth would we want Clement and his 4 plus ERA, every starter on our current team has shown us they can produce that at the very least. Im baffled that JP feels the need to upgrade the pitching when it was clearly the lack of offense that was the problem. If Boston had our pitching last year they would have won 130 games.
R Billie - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 06:45 PM EST (#132355) #
The current market sucks for buyers, plain and simple. If the Jays have to go any higher than $50mil/5 years then we start getting into truly nutty Chan Ho Park territory. Burnett isn't Chan Ho, but he also isn't near what the elite pitchers in last year's market garnered.

Whatever, as long as we get something done I suppose. But I just think a team paying elite ace money for a similar pitcher to Kelvim Escobar to whom they wouldn't even guarantee a third year in the $5 mil to $6 mil range is the stuff of comedy. So much for the talent evaluation and payroll management.

By the time the Jays either overpay for Giles and/or trade off significant resources to get a middle of the order hitter, making a realistic and respectful 3 or 4 year offer to Carlos Delgado won't have seemed like such a bad idea either.
Wildrose - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 08:36 PM EST (#132360) #
Canadian Jason Bay strikes it rich. I know it's a pipe dream, but he sure would look good in a Jays uniform. I'm glad its only the arbitration years that were bought out.
Chuck - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 10:06 PM EST (#132367) #
Wow! File this under WTF.

Yes, Eyre had a nice 68 innings which were totally out of whack with his career to date. And even if he could replicate those 68 innings each of the next two seasons, how is that worth the money?

The Cubs will be paying Eyre and Dempster a combined $10M a season. I can't think of anything smartass enough to say to express my disbelief.

Pistol - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 10:07 PM EST (#132368) #
Scott Eyre to the Cubs - 2 years, $11 million.

WOW.
Ryan Day - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 10:19 PM EST (#132370) #
It was the MVP vote that did it.

That, and it's the Cubs.
Rob - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 10:35 PM EST (#132371) #
That is the stupidest contract I have ever seen. Easily.
Chuck - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 11:02 PM EST (#132373) #
Stupider than Darren Dreifort's 5/55 contract?
John Northey - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 11:05 PM EST (#132374) #
Glug. $11 million for 2 years for a left handed specialist? Geez. Plus a player option year!?!

And here we were saying JP was crazy signing Scott Schoeneweis for 2 years for $5.2 million. Now that looks like a fantastic deal. Geez.

So, what does this do to the cost for BJ Ryan? I think talks have to start at $7 mil per year and will end up around the $10 million range for 3 years, maybe more.
Rob - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 11:07 PM EST (#132375) #
That is the stupidest contract I have ever seen where an ex-Jay is concerned. Easily.
VBF - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 11:22 PM EST (#132377) #
Maybe someone can explain this to me. GMs are paid money to put together a baseball team efficiently. They are smart people, even the worst and they all will forget more in a year than some of us will ever know collectively.

So then, why and how, for the love of God does a deal like this happen? How could a smart baseball man do this? This is just complete stupidity that someone who heard of baseball ten minutes ago and googled it would know is a stupid amount of money to give out.

And it's not even one person. A collective team of scouts and a group of baseball men decided on this? How?
Magpie - Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 11:51 PM EST (#132378) #
It seems to be $11 million over three years for Eyre - the third year is a player option, and it's not clear how the money is divided. But he does have to pitch all three seasons to get all $11 million.

But still...he's a LOOGY!

Ryan Day - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 12:17 AM EST (#132379) #
It was funny until I realized how badly this is going to mess up the FA market. BJ Ryan probably just shot up to $10 million a year.

But on the upside, if other teams follow suit, Ricciardi should be able to trade Scott Schoenweis for Albert Pujols.
Ron - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 12:49 AM EST (#132380) #
I'm not surprised at any of the dollar figures. The economics of baseball have never been better and I would much rather see the players get their fair share of the pie than owners pocketing the money.

Heck the Pirates, D-Rays, Royals, and Blue Jays will be bumping payroll this off-season.
Cristian - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 01:48 AM EST (#132381) #
Jim Hendry should be fired. I'm sorry. There's just no two ways about it. 5M for Neifi, 10M for Eyre. The sad thing is that they'll end up missing out on Furcal and Giles and start whining about how only the big market teams get the premier free agents. Until people stop flocking to Wrigley, that team will not win a thing. I'm glad I'm not a Cubs fan or I'd be suicidal right now.
John Northey - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 07:47 AM EST (#132386) #
I think Cubs fans are like Leafs fans. Give them a contender every so often to keep hope alive, but for the most part just keep getting old vets who fans can cheer on, then get frustrated over. Howsabout Sosa going back to the Cubs now? Hehehe.
Mike Green - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 08:58 AM EST (#132390) #
At 3 years/$11 million, Scott Eyre's contract is this year's version of Tom Martin's. In totally unrelated news, Statistics Canada reports that wage settlements last month exceeded 3% for the first time in years, sparking fears of runaway inflation. :)
Pistol - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 09:00 AM EST (#132391) #
3 for $11 isn't as nuts as 2 for $11 (which is what was reported initially last night). It's actually what good relievers should expect, and Erye had a really good year this year. Plus, his splits are pretty similar so he's not just a LOOGY.
bird droppings - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 09:00 AM EST (#132392) #
Albert Chen likes the Jays chances next season if we win the AJ Sweepstakes which he seems to think we will.
Pepper Moffatt - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 09:08 AM EST (#132394) #
In totally unrelated news, Statistics Canada reports that wage settlements last month exceeded 3% for the first time in years, sparking fears of runaway inflation. :)

LOL. Remind me to steal that line.

I'd ask my employer for a 3% raise in my yearly salary, but I'd just end up wasting the 95 cents. :)

Pistol - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 09:29 AM EST (#132395) #
Despite reports saying the Jays have made a 5 year, $50 million offer the GM says, not so fast.

Ricciardi denied a report that the teams already made Burnett a formal offer. Burnett is looking for a five-year deal. "We're going to make an offer," general manager J.P. Ricciardi said Thursday. "We talked about some parameters but nothing that's been concrete.''

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1132227128637&call_pageid=969907739730&col=970081600908

(can't they come up with a simpler system for addresses?)
Jordan - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 09:50 AM EST (#132397) #
The Star's Web addresses are absurdly long, and I see no reason why that should still be the case: much larger newspaper and publications have long since rationalized their URL systems. When faced with a ridiculous address like this, I use TinyURL, which renders a much more portable abbreviation. Hence, the Star URL above has now been assigned to http://tinyurl.com/a85w2.

I assume the Marlins are going to offer Burnett arbitration, seeing as how his asking price keeps rising and there's no threat that he'll accept. IIRC, that would cost the Jays their second-round pick, not their first-rounder, because they finished in the lower half of the standings. Pistol, can you confirm?

Pistol - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 10:07 AM EST (#132399) #
Correct, the Jays cannot lose their first pick since they pick in the top 15 of the draft.

I can't imagine any scenario in which the Marlins don't offer arbitration.
Ducey - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 11:12 AM EST (#132404) #
BJ Ryan is not interested in the Yankees due to the stress of playing in New York. Sounds like the Jays are still in the running:

http://www.nynewsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks1118,0,1324844.story?coll=ny-yankees-bigpix
Paul D - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 11:25 AM EST (#132405) #
Best line from that NY Daily News article: His preference is to close for a team with at least a chance of competing for a world championship, according to a person familiar with his thinking, which is why he chose to visit the Blue Jays, Tigers and Mets this week and not the Yankees.
Four Seamer - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 12:01 PM EST (#132410) #
Best line from that NY Daily News article: His preference is to close for a team with at least a chance of competing for a world championship, according to a person familiar with his thinking, which is why he chose to visit the Blue Jays, Tigers and Mets this week and not the Yankees.

Enticing as it is to read that as a shot at the Yankees, it isn't - since he wouldn't be closing for the Yanks, he wouldn't be closing for a team with a shot at winning the Series.

John Northey - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 12:29 PM EST (#132411) #
Hmm. Tigers, Mets and Jays. I'd say the Mets are the top competition of that group, although if the NY spotlight is too strong then it is Tigers vs Blue Jays again, except for a pitcher not a playoff slot. Detroit was 71-91 last year though, so they aren't exactly playoff contenders. You'd think the Tigers would be more careful though after Troy Percival and Urbina last year.

Should be interesting.
greenfrog - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 12:41 PM EST (#132412) #
Aren't the Mets going after Wagner, not Ryan?

The performances of Eyre and others in 2005 suggest that some of JP's recent bullpen acquisitions have actually been quite astute (unfortunately some excelled only after being let go). Eyre, Politte, SS Loogy, Frasor--all were excellent last year.
Ron - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 01:34 PM EST (#132413) #
Could you imagine if the Jays signed AJ and Ryan.

Of course that would leave us no more payroll flexability to add 2 power bats. If you can't swing a trade or two, you better hope Koskie bounces back, and Rios develops into a masher.

Hey I heard Troy Glaus may be available...........
PeterG - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 02:30 PM EST (#132416) #
Any news on 40 man roster moves with the deadline only hours away?
Newton - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 02:31 PM EST (#132417) #
If we get those two (AJ and BJ) we'd likely need to package contracts (ie. Hinske, Batista, Koskie) with prospects (ie. a couple of our best) to acquire any offensive upgrades. As the contracts we deal increase in value so does the prospect price required in any trade.

If we get what we wish for I fear another season where one key aspect is in place, but another is sorely lacking:

2003: Solid O, suspect pitching
2004: I have blocked it from memory
2005: Solid P, sleep inducing O
2006: Great P, below average O

Potential Greatness of one category could be the key variable.

We can always shoot to be the the AL East version of the 05 Houston Astros.

If we can slide into the playoffs Doc and AJ could lead to a Marlin or D-Back style WS.






VGeras - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 02:32 PM EST (#132418) #
InsideTheDome.com has a story of the 40 man roster and who was added, but it is a subscription service and I don't have access
Kingsley Zissou - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 03:20 PM EST (#132421) #
This just came in an email from a friend of mine:

"Here's a bit of scoop. Arnsberg was on the Swirsky show just now talking about Ryan and Burnett. He says they have a great shot at Ryan and that Burnett wants to play here, but that his wife isn't sure. Anyways, while Arnsberg is talking to Swirks, his cell phone rings, and it's AJ Burnett calling.

He got off the phone with Swirsk to take the call - but that's pretty cool. I wonder if Burnett was calling to say he was gonna sign?"
Skills - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 03:40 PM EST (#132422) #
I wish. In other news, ESPN reports that Scott Eyre signed with the Cubs for 3 years 11 mil. Ridiculous, especially for those people complaining about the deal Towers got.
mcpherv - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 03:42 PM EST (#132424) #
Here is the corresponding Jays press release:
http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20051118&content_id=1270128&vkey=pr_tor&fext=.jsp&c_id=tor

Ryan Roberts and Josh Banks were both added, which fills the 40-man.
Dr B - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 03:48 PM EST (#132425) #
Will Carroll of Baseball prospectus mentions AJ Burnett in his latest chat.

"micknaso (Winnipeg, MB): AJ Burnett. 5 years of injury misery if the Jays sign him?

Will Carroll: You know, I don't think misery is the right word. Sure he could blow out his shoulder as easily as any other pitcher and that bone spur that Jim Andrews left in his elbow worries me, but I haven't seen anyone with better stuff. I would *never* sign a pitcher to a deal over three years. I'll pay more to get less years."


The full chat is here. Can't say I like AJ Burnett for five years either, but it is only a report at the moment. One can criticise it when it comes true.
VGeras - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 03:51 PM EST (#132426) #
Wow 40 man filled..i'M SURPRISED THEI DIDNT DROP ANYONE
Newton - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 03:57 PM EST (#132427) #
Am I crazy for liking 12 or even 12.5 per over 4 seasons better than 10 per over 5 seasons.

Perhaps someone can explain to me how insurance coverage works for the contracts of major league ball players?


Flex - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 04:04 PM EST (#132428) #
Here's a scary perspective on Burnett from SI.com:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/stephen_cannella/11/18/burnett.rant/index.html

The thrust can basically be summed up in this line: "Alas, there's little in Burnett's past to suggest he'll turn Toronto, or any other team, into an instant contender. There's plenty of evidence that that five-year contract will become an albatross soon after the ink dries."
John Northey - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 04:04 PM EST (#132429) #
I figure the Jays decided to protect all that they could and not worry about drafting someone in the Rule 5 when they want to contend. Back in '85 the Jays carried two guys all year (Manny Lee and Lou Thornton with Lee eventually being the starting shortstop for the 92 WS winning team) and won 99 games, but back then you only had 10 man pitching staffs. If they sign a free agent they'll drop someone quick.
R Billie - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 04:06 PM EST (#132430) #
I don't think there's anyway the Jays would be approved for insurance on a contract of that length.

If you're going to pay $12-$12.5 over four years, that's $48-$50 million for four years of service. If you pay $50 million over 5 years that's $50 million for 5 years of service and the per year payment is smaller. If I were an agent I'd rather have the former for my client because he gets nearly the same money and gets it quicker and becomes a free agent again one year earlier.

I know what you're trying to say Newton, but in that particular case a shorter contract doesn't show much of an advantage. Now $12.5 million for 3 years ($37.5 million total) shows a more significant advantage for the team. I doubt Burnett would take that but it would actually be better for him, assuming he stays healthy those three years. At age 31 he could easily get another 3 or 4 year contract provided he performs.
Cristian - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 04:06 PM EST (#132431) #
Am I crazy for liking 12 or even 12.5 per over 4 seasons better than 10 per over 5 seasons.

Not crazy perhaps, but definitely mathematically challenged. 12.5M * 4 year = 50M and 10M * 5 years = 50M. If the guaranteed money is the same, why wouldn't you keep AJ under contract for an extra year?

Jabes - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 04:07 PM EST (#132432) #
As much as a lazy journalist as I think Griffin is, I'm guessing the "young veteran (oxymoron?) player capable of hitting 30-40 HRs" he is referring to is Adam Dunn.

I think that its actually a good idea for the Jays to make a run at Dunn, say, Hudson-Hillebrand-Lilly for Dunn? Outside of Halladay I'd trade anyone on the Jays for Dunn. However, I'm still skeptical that the Reds will deal anyone but Willy Mo Pena.
rtcaino - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 04:10 PM EST (#132433) #
That article seems to point mainly to his W-L record. I'm not saying there isn't an argument that AJ isn't going to push the Jays over, but his career .500 record isn't it.

Not that 50/5 is going to get Burnett. But ten million for a 33 year old starter isn't the end of the world.
Kingsley Zissou - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 04:11 PM EST (#132434) #
Hudson-Hillenbrand-Lilly for Dunn is ridiculous.
I think a combination of Batista & high-level prospects gets the deal done with minimal, if any, damage done to the roster.
Willy Mo wouldn't be a bad booby prize - I'd do Batista straight-up for him.
Newton - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 04:16 PM EST (#132435) #
I can add and multiply and am well aware of the time value of money. Hence the "am I crazy prelude".

The advantage to the Jays is one less year of a potential 10 mill a year albatross if Burnett goes down and a more attractive deal from AJ's perspective increasing our odds of landing him.









Newton - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 04:19 PM EST (#132436) #
Also a 4 year term might lead to the contract becoming insurable, or insurable at a better premium.
Jonny German - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 04:23 PM EST (#132437) #
What about the reams of white space, is that a sign of losing your marbles?
Jabes - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 04:24 PM EST (#132438) #
I think a combination of Batista & high-level prospects gets the deal done with minimal, if any, damage done to the roster.

If the Reds will really go for that, then let's do that deal NOW. For a player like Dunn that is nothing.

I think the Reds are going to want a 2nd and 3rd Baseman. If they'd take Koskie, then great, but I don't see them doing that.

Pistol - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 04:25 PM EST (#132439) #
"I don't think there's anyway the Jays would be approved for insurance on a contract of that length"

Anything is insurable for the right price.

I don't know if the Jays have changed, but if I recall correctly they haven't insured contracts in the past.
VBF - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 04:31 PM EST (#132440) #
He got off the phone with Swirsk to take the call - but that's pretty cool. I wonder if Burnett was calling to say he was gonna sign?"

I think that's extremely normal--especially during these times--for AJ to talk to Arnsberg. They are good friends and that whole crew of Florida and ex-Florida pitchers all talk to Arnsberg on a regular basis. This isn't hardly a big deal.

Craig B - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 04:37 PM EST (#132441) #
Also a 4 year term might lead to the contract becoming insurable, or insurable at a better premium.

I am quite certain that contracts over three years in length are not insurable under any circumstances at any price. At any rate, if you ask me the Jays don't really have the payroll money to be throwing it around on insurance payments.

Paul D - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 04:39 PM EST (#132442) #
Pistol, I'm pretty sure that I've read that insurers will no longer insure pitcher contracts for more than 3 years. I don't have a link for it, but I guess they either decided that the price was out of reach for everyone, or that they're actuaries can't do a good enough job of measuring the risk.
Kingsley Zissou - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 04:39 PM EST (#132443) #
Then let's hope JP is a magician, and can do Batista, Hinske and prospects for Dunn or a comparable hitter.

I'd eat half of Hinske's contract to get rid of him if the net result was worth it (and I'm not talking net $$$ here).
Gerry - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 04:48 PM EST (#132444) #
From the Cincinnati post "Media reports from round the country this week have suggested the Cardinals, Twins, Royals and others would like a shot at prying one of those outfielders away - particularly Dunn or Kearns." A google news search of "Adam Dunn trade" also shows the Jays, Yankees and Mariners interested in Adam Dunn.

If Batista, Hinske and prospects beats what all those other teams have to offer then I will be amazed.

Newton - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 04:50 PM EST (#132445) #
The Jays don't have the payroll money to have a 10 plus mill a year albatross contract hanging over them either.

Also with respect to the more money per season over fewer years approach: More money/fewer years reduces the number of seasons in which the Jays already slim margin for error with respect to payroll is eliminated before pitchers and catchers report for spring training.

I love everything about Burnett's stuff, particularly his rarely coupled high K rate and ground ball tendencies, but this guy will miss at least 1 season of the next 5.

Ryan Day - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 04:54 PM EST (#132446) #
I'd imagine the Reds would want some combination of Chacin, Bush, McGowan, Purcey, Jackson... Maybe Lily or Batista would be a part of it, but if Cinci is giving up Dunn, they'll be wanting the prime talent.
Pistol - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 05:08 PM EST (#132447) #
I was being a bit of a smart ass when I said that anything was insurable.

All you'd have to do is make the premiums higher than the insured amount and you'd have insurers lining up all over the place. But obviously no team would do that. (and is just an extreme case to show my point).

When we hear that insurers won't go more than 3 years I believe it's more of a case where the cost of the insurance is much more than a team would ever be willing to pay than an unwillingness to get insurance.

Like a great man once said, 'everybody has a price', even insurance companies.
JayFan0912 - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 05:48 PM EST (#132449) #
The reds needs lots of pitching, and not just prospects.

I guess something along the lines of bush, chacin, batista, league, and maybe lilly would get a deal done for sure. Batista and Lilly would be redundant if you sign burnett and ryan, but I would try to sign dunn to an extension before I do this.

I also think griffey would be much cheaper to acquire. Why not trade for him ? He has an injury history, but when he plays, he is better than dunn. He had a great year, and his last injury wasn't seen as a significant one.
Chuck - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 05:49 PM EST (#132450) #
I'd imagine the Reds would want some combination of Chacin, Bush, McGowan, Purcey, Jackson... Maybe Lily or Batista would be a part of it, but if Cinci is giving up Dunn, they'll be wanting the prime talent.

I agree. They'd be moving Dunn for money reasons and would want back cheap, legitimate prospects. Not Lilly or Batista or Koskie or Hillenbrand.

John Northey - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 06:02 PM EST (#132451) #
Griffey Jr in Toronto? That would be a big upgrade on Rios in RF but would he come here? Plus would Cincinnati cover some of his pay? He is a 5 & 10 player thus cannot be traded without him agreeing to it. Also, his contract is a 9 year one (yikes!) which lasts until 2008 at $12.5 million per year plus defered money.

For $12.5 for 3 years I suspect we could draw Giles in without giving up more than a second round pick.
Jacko - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 06:06 PM EST (#132452) #
Wow 40 man filled..i'M SURPRISED THEI DIDNT DROP ANYONE

1. It's possible the Jays like their own prospects better than anything that they are projecting will be available.

2. Maybe the Jays fell there's no room at the MLB level in 2006 for a rookie coming straight out of A/AA, especially if they are gearing up for a pennant chase?

3. Maybe there's a multiplayer deal in the works that would free up a few spots on the roster?

R Billie - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 06:07 PM EST (#132453) #
Good grief. If it would take 4 able bodied young pitchers to get Dunn then Reds are never going to trade him. I'll take my chances with lesser players before I give all that up.

It makes a lot more sense in this case to trade a player or two for Overbay and another player or two for a young outfielder like Quentin.
JayFan0912 - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 06:14 PM EST (#132454) #
I agree. They'd be moving Dunn for money reasons and would want back cheap, legitimate prospects. Not Lilly or Batista

I think they would want some MLB pitching, not just prospects. .. they signed eric milton and traded for ortiz.

Re. Griffey:

Griffey has much more power than giles, and because of his salary, the reds wouldn't ask for nearly as much as for dunn, and giles didn't agree to sign here.
If giles would agree to 30 Million/3 years then this doesn't look like a good idea, but otherwise it makes some sense.
Jabes - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 06:27 PM EST (#132455) #
If you are willing to take Eric Milton off the Red's hands, you could have Dunn for a lot less.
Ducey - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 07:04 PM EST (#132457) #
Here is what Rotoworld says:

"Blue Jays purchased the contracts of RHP Josh Banks and 2B Ryan Roberts.
The Jays could easily lose RHP Jamie Vermilyea or LHP Davis Romero in the Rule 5 draft. Neither has a lot of upside, but Romero, at least, should have been protected. "

I have to agree that Romero should have been protected. I guess the Jays figure they have enough lefties around but Davis looks to be a pretty good reliever. I would keep him over Pete Walker or John MacDonald. I still don't understand the MacDonald pickup at this time. He will be helpful but couldn't he have been picked up later after a trade or two freed up some spots? Couldn't a no hit, good glove guy be picked up in the Rule 5 draft or later in the off season/ spring training?

Can anyone clarify what happens if a free agent is signed after the Rule 5 draft? The Jays would have to drop someone. Would this player (say Walker) go through waivers and elect free agency or assignment to AAA? Is is likely that all the other teams would lay off picking someone up given their 40 man rosters are full too?
sweat - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 07:15 PM EST (#132459) #
Maybe Detroit was only willing to make the MacDoncald trade before the Rule 5. They probably have a lot of guys they want to keep too. I imagine any trades or FA signings will wait till after the rule 5, at least for the blue jays.
slitheringslider - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 08:00 PM EST (#132461) #
A rule 5 draftee must stay in the Big leagues for a full year or else he would be returned to the original team.

The thing about Davis Romero is that he pitched in A-ball last year. As good as Romero is, what are the chances he would have immediate success in the Majors next season? That might be the reason why they chose not to protect Romero, because he might not be able to make the jump.
Smithers - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 09:26 PM EST (#132462) #
One name that hasn't been heard around here too much lately is Justin Morneau. If it's true that Minnesota was both unhappy with his attitude and missed having Koskie's presence in the clubhouse (although he did get to hang out back home in Minneapolis most of the summer this year anyways!), it would seem to be a pretty good fit for both clubs. If it also took a mid-level starter to get it done (Bush, Chacin or Batista) it would help clear room on the staff and in the pocketbook to get Burnett at $50M/5. It would also free up a spot for Hill next year at the major league level, and keep O-Dog around (my sentimental first priority this offseason). Morneau looks to me like he will be a huge masher soon, and I don't think he'd have the same pressure that Koskie had coming back to Canada.

Of course, my dream offseason would also include a BJ Ryan signing at $27/3, and maybe throw in Durazo to split DH with Hillenbrand while we're at it. Since it's still early and the market hasn't gone completely insane yet like we all know it will, I can still dream can't I???

Jabes - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 09:32 PM EST (#132463) #
Terry Ryan isn't dumb; he knows what he has in Morneau. It'd take more than Koskie plus a mid-level starter to get that deal done. The Jays would undoubtedly have to take on some of Koskie's contract and throw in someone like Chaucen. Maybe then you'd have Ryan's ear.

I like the idea of taking Milton from the Reds, with Dunn, if the Reds, who are looking for a 3B, are willing to take Koskie along with whatever else they'd want. Milton's contract is crazy, but at least the guy is an innings horse; good for bullpen. I expect he'd pitch better in the Rogers Center as well.

CaramonLS - Friday, November 18 2005 @ 10:51 PM EST (#132465) #
MILTON?

You want Milton from the Reds?

Unless that drops Dunn's asking price through the floor, then not a chance in hell. Terrible contract, and he gives up so many home runs. Overall, he is just not a good pitcher.

Koskie's contract wouldn't be considered an albratross compared to Miltons. Never.

Dunn is going to command pitching prospects. Good ones. I Highly doubt you will be able to dump a contract on the Reds, whether it be Batista, Hinske, or Koskie.

mathesond - Saturday, November 19 2005 @ 01:04 AM EST (#132469) #
Ken Rosenthal mentions the Jays as a suitor for Gerald Laird.
Dr B - Saturday, November 19 2005 @ 01:16 AM EST (#132470) #
The thing about Davis Romero is that he pitched in A-ball last year. As good as Romero is, what are the chances he would have immediate success in the Majors next season?

Probably very little otherwise he'd have moved a bit faster in the Jays system. Unfortunately, some teams, may well take him anyway, feeling that they don't have better talent anyway and stash him in the depths of the bullpen (or through plain stupidity). Lets face it, Romero, has struck out more than one batter per inning throughout his career (11.18 per 9IP) and a great K/BB ratio (11.18/2.49). In Dunedin the K per 9IP is still 9.82. Single A, or no, that looks nice and shiny and bodes well for the future.

Picking Romero up in the Rule 5 probably isn't a very good move for any team as he is unlikely to be useful in the short term. If the Jays are banking on the other teams not doing stupid things, however, that's hardly a good risk. They did manage to leave Romero unprotected last year and got away with it, so I suspect they're crossing their fingers now.

As Ducey points out above though, why on earth would you expose Romero to the Rule 5 now, when you can pick up a John MacDonald anytime at the corner store when you need one?
actionjackson - Saturday, November 19 2005 @ 01:21 AM EST (#132471) #
I don't think Batista's $4.75 million would be considered a 'dump' in the current pitching climate. Is he better than Milton and Ortiz? A resounding yes! And he's paid about the same. However, I don't think he's what the Reds are looking for. They want young (as in cheap) pitching. We got some of that. They need a middle infielder. We got some of those. Let's make a deal.

I think Batista fits in a deal to a team that's willing to spend some money, and is freaked out by this ridiculous market, where Scott Eyre can get a 3 yr/ $11m deal. I still can't believe that. How valuable does Miggy become in his contract year at that price, with Kris Benson, Matt Clement, Russ Ortiz etc. earning $7m, $8m, $9m?

Hinske and Koskie, that's a different matter all together. Very tough to move.
Nick - Saturday, November 19 2005 @ 01:32 AM EST (#132472) #
Not sure if this was posted, because I didn't feel like wading through the number of nauseating trade suggestions, but here is Blair's latest blog entry:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051101.wblai/BNStory/Sports/

Key points that haven't already been mentioned:

- Jays have not formally offered 5 years and $50 million to Burnett because JP knows that will not get it done. He has told AJ's agent to get back to after he gets his best offer. My take: This is sounding more and more like a disaster situation, but I will hold my tongue until an actual transaction takes place. It is stupid to rip something that hasn't happened yet and may never happen.

- Carl Pavano already wants out of NY, a la Vazquez.

- BJ Ryan's visit went pretty well - contrary to what the Star reported the other day. "Ryan has told friends that he is impressed with the Blue Jays and the city of Toronto and that he believes the visit to Toronto last week went surprisingly well."

- Expect to see Reed Johnson and Scott Downs signed to new deals "within a matter of days."

- Jays will try to sign Hillenbrand to multi-year contract but will take their time so they can sort through the trade offers coming in for him.

- "Yankees owner George Steinbrenner is not pleased that his team has been unable to make a strike in the free-agent market and will read the riot act to the front office this weekend in Tampa."

I have an idea - I think there should be a permanent thread discussing the virtues of acquiring Adam Dunn. Any post with the words "Adam Dunn" will be deleted in all other threads unless it contains a link to the press release announcing his arrival in Toronto. That way, the people that want to suggest trading for Dunn at least twice a day can have their fun and continually discuss it for eternity. The rest of us who don't feel like reading the same discussion that has gone on just about every day since June won't have to. Just a suggestion.
Pepper Moffatt - Saturday, November 19 2005 @ 08:41 AM EST (#132473) #
That's a really, really, REALLY good idea Nick. Really. :)

I'll create a thread later this weekend about it.
R Billie - Saturday, November 19 2005 @ 02:46 PM EST (#132496) #
With apologies to Nick and others, I'm not sure about why the fascination behind acquiring Dunn exists. He's going to be VERY expensive to get in trade. His salary is going to grow very large in the next two or three years. His homepark pads his hitting stats.

If you're going to spend money, why not go after Giles and Garciaparra on the free agent market and/or trade for a less heralded but more underrated hitter than Dunn? While at the same time hopefully retaining the majority of your young and cheap assets that can be played or traded for other things. I mean Dunn is good but he's just one guy who is going to hit you both in trade assets and the wallet. The Jays need to come up with plans that help maximize their onfield improvement over and above .500 in the next two or three years.
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