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So that's what the off-season feels like ... every summer, I forget. No baseball yesterday!

That's not to say there wasn't baseball news -- okay, it wasn't BIG baseball news, and it's all out of New York, which I know annoys some Bauxites, but in Flushing, Mets RP Felix Heredia was suspended for the first 10 days of the 2006 season for violating MLB's steroids policy, while in Da Bronx, IF Mark Bellhorn elected free agency rather than a trip to Columbus. Wow, the implications of those two moves for fans of teams everywhere ...

Oh, and today is Mordecai "Three Fingers" Brown's birthday (how did he tell people how old he was when he turned four, anyway?) and also the birthday of both Keith Foulke and former Cy Young winning closer-turned-meltdown Mark Davis ... parallels?

Posted by Mick Doherty on Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 10:45 AM EDT.

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Gerry - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 12:45 PM EDT (#130292) #

I find it interesting that so many pundits have basically written Houston off now. Many of them think Monday's loss was so devestating that the Astros are a beaten team. Can't say that I agree, and it seems Bauxites are more optimistic given the poll results here where, as of this writing, 45% think Houston wins tonight.

Mick Doherty - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 12:47 PM EDT (#130293) #

Who was it that said "Momentum is only as good as tonight's starting pitcher"?

Oswalt/Mulder ... that's a good'n. If STL beats Pettitte, Oswalt and Clemens three in a row, they DESERVE to go to the World Series!

Mick Doherty - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 12:49 PM EDT (#130294) #

Well, Google tells me that quote, in some form, came from The Earl of Baltimore himself, Mr. Weaver. Sounds about right, though he wasn't exactly Stengel-esque in quotables.

Jordan - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 12:50 PM EDT (#130296) #

Is Mark Davis the worst pitcher to win the Cy Young? I don't mean the guy who had the worst season as a Cy winner, but who had the worst overall career while still managing to bag the trophy one year.

John Denny and Pete Vuckovich would certainly be contenders.

Jordan - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 12:51 PM EDT (#130297) #

I think Houston will win Game 6. But I don't think they'd win a Game 7.

Pepper Moffatt - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 01:00 PM EDT (#130298) #

Other than 2 big years (1975 and 1976) Randy Jones didn't have much of a career - yet he finished 2nd overall in the NL Cy Young voting in '75 and first overall in '76.

Weird stat of the day: In 1976 Randy Jones pitched 315.3 innings. He struck out only 93 guys. Yet he managed to win the Cy Young.

Gerry - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 01:19 PM EDT (#130299) #

Speaking of a potential game seven, I remember commenting that Roger Clemens had only one strikeout in his game 3 start against the Cardinals. That is most un-roger like, and I think age might be starting to catch up on him. I know he had a great 2005 but an older player can sometimes find it hard to keep the momentum and performance level through the end of October. I have a memory that some people thought age was a factor in the Yankee meltdown last year aginst the Sox. In any event if it did go to game seven neither team's fans would be too optimistic with Clemens facing Morris.

And speaking of Morris I saw his name in Jeff Blair's piece on the Jays. Is Matt Morris really a big upgrade on Chacin or Bush or McGowan? I think Cardinals fans are concerned with him at this point, he is not the ideal game seven starter. Morris had a 4.11 ERA this year.

costanza - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 01:32 PM EDT (#130300) #

I always think of Steve Bedrosian when the topic of "Worst Cy Young Award winners" comes up. He might have been slightly more valuable, over his career, than Davis, but at least Davis was *really good* for two years. Bedrock never was.

Of course, the same could be said about Steve Stone and Lamarr Hoyt... looking again at the 1983 voting... wow, was that awful. A 115 ERA+? Finishing 30 points out of the top 10 in ERA? Dave Stieb not even getting *one point* in the voting?!?!

Mick Doherty - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 01:40 PM EDT (#130301) #

Any time Eddie Whitson appears high on your BBRef most-similars list, well, you deserve mention for "Worst Pitcher to Win a Cy Young." Mike McCormick, come on down!

Craig B - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 01:43 PM EDT (#130302) #

"Well, Google tells me that quote, in some form, came from The Earl of Baltimore himself, Mr. Weaver. Sounds about right, though he wasn't exactly Stengel-esque in quotables."

Well, not in Stengel's class, no, but...

"If you play for one run, that's all you'll get."

"Bad ballplayers make good managers, not the other way around."

"Coaches are an integral part of any manager's team, especially if they are good pinochle players."

[To Jim Palmer, after Weaver's retirement when both were working in TV] "For sixteen years I got paid to talk to you. Now, I don't have to."

"I gave Mike Cuellar more chances than my first wife."

"Don't worry, the fans don't start booing until July."

"Raleighs have gone from six fifty to nine dollars a carton, but there's a three-quarter cent coupon on the back. You can get all kinds of things with them, blenders, everything. I saved up enough one time and got Al Bumbry."

"If you know how to cheat, start now."

"It's what you learn after you know it all that counts."

"No one's gonna give a damn in July if you lost a game in March."

"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'"

"The job of arguing with the umpire belongs to the manager, because it won't hurt the team if he gets thrown out of the game."

"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers."

"This ain't a football game, we do this every day."

"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow."

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."

[When a player hit into a double play with the bases loaded] "You dumb bastard. Haven't you ever heard of a strikeout?"

[On the 1986 Orioles] "One good thing, the memory of this will help me stay retired. All I'd have to do is think about this crap and I'd never come back."

But the best Earl Weaver quote of all time isn't by Earl, but about him - an anonymous Orioles exec commenting on Earl's nighttime activities after a drunk driving charge was laid against him.

"Earl's killed more brain cells than most managers ever had."

Pepper Moffatt - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 01:50 PM EDT (#130303) #

WARP3 scores for the pitchers mentioned already plus a recent pitcher to put this all in perspective

WARP 3
La Marr Hoyt            27.5
Mark Davis              29.7
Pete Vuckovich          31.1
Steve Stone             32.1
Randy Jones             37.3
Steve Bedrosian         45.4
Esteban Loaiza          45.7
Mike McCormick          46.3
John Denny              49.4

Mike Green - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 01:53 PM EDT (#130304) #

Mick's vote for Mike McCormick as the Cy Young award winner with the least impressive career is seconded. That he won the award of Jim Bunning, Fergie Jenkins or Phil Niekro in 1967 was bizarre in its own right. He had a good season, but really no better than Gustavo Chacin's 2005, but he won 22 games to take the award.

Cristian - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 01:58 PM EDT (#130305) #

"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow."

However defined, the Blue Jays didn't have many back to back homeruns this year.

Jordan - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 01:59 PM EDT (#130306) #

Speaking as someone who owned Matt Morris in a fantasy league, he nosedived after the All-Star Break and was so consistently bad by August that I actually dropped him (and picked up Felix Hernandez, which worked out pretty okay). He's had arm surgery once already, and he's far from a reliable workhorse. I say let the Yankees take a run at him.

Ron - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 02:01 PM EDT (#130307) #

Am I alone on this or does anybody else think the Jays should inquire about the services of Matt LeCroy?

I wouldn't mind having his bat (especially against LHP) come off the bench. I doubt he's going to break the bank.

Mark - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 02:09 PM EDT (#130308) #

Where does one of my all time favourites Pat Hentgen rank in the worst Cy Young award winners list? Or does he?

Craig B - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 02:15 PM EDT (#130309) #

Interesting thought on Matthew LeCroy.

If Hillenbrand went anywhere, I'd like to see LeCroy. But honestly, I'm hard pressed to give LeCroy one of my 13 roster spots. (With 14, maybe but still a longshot).

He's an OK third catcher but can't catch on anything more than an emergency, substitute basis. He can't throw at all. He's a really, unbelievably terrible first baseman (statistically, at least and also by general impression) so what you essentially have is the lesser half of a platoon DH and an occasional third-string catcher. I don't think that's a defensible use of roster space if you're carrying 12 pitchers - a guy would have to hit better than LeCroy or play some defense in order to do that. If you do go with a LeCroy, your hand is forced on your other three reserve spots, which have to be one infielder who can play all three positions, one outfielder who can play all three positions, and your backup catcher. An OF/1B guy, or Shea Hillenbrand, makes more sense than a LeCroy type for that reason, but LeCroy *could* be useful. If he hit more, I'd agree with you 100%.

LeCroy should end up as a reserve in the National League, where he could back up a regular at first, be a third catcher, and pinch hit regularly.

LeCroy would also make a superb addition to Syracuse, as a job-sharing catcher, part-time first baseman, and cleanup hitter, who would be ready if a catcher or DH went down. But I suspect he'll get a major league deal.

costanza - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 02:20 PM EDT (#130310) #

Am I missing something about McCormick? He was before my time, so I'm going strictly by the numbers, but I see a guy who hit the majors at 17, was a full-time starter at 19, won an ERA title at 21 and had a nearly-equally-as-good year at 22.

He seems to have accomplished more before age 23 than most of the other guys on the list did in their whole career. His Cy Young year, which came years later, was at best his 3rd-best season.

Mike Green - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 02:40 PM EDT (#130311) #

LeCroy has hit .308/.388/.574 in 467 at-bats over the last 4 seasons against lefties.

I have a number of difficulties with the 12 man pitching staff, but at the top is the cost to the bench. If Matt LeCroy does not have more value to a team as the left-handed half of a DH platoon, and emergency catcher, i.e. as the 2006 version of Cliff Johnson or Jim Leyritz, than the 12th pitcher on your staff, there is a problem with usage. For how long last year was Brandon League on the roster but not seeing action? Would it not be possible to get Miguel Batista to pitch many more low leverage innings?

HoJu - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 02:42 PM EDT (#130312) #

Seems to me that Lecroy is similar to Hinske. I guess the fact that Lecroy would be available at a minimal price makes him somewhat attractive.

Pistol - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 02:46 PM EDT (#130313) #

If you do go with a LeCroy, your hand is forced on your other three reserve spots, which have to be one infielder who can play all three positions, one outfielder who can play all three positions, and your backup catcher.

Sounds like Reed Johnson and Aaron Hill to me. But that cuts things a little too close if you have 12 pitchers.

LeCroy would be a great fit if the Jays carried 11 pitchers. And really, with the way the pitchers performed this year, and assuming Halladay is healthy, the Jays can easily get by with 11 pitchers. There were lots of times this year where the 12th pitcher didn't get in a game for weeks. Or said another way, having LeCroy on your bench will win you a lot more games than whoever the 12th pitcher will be next year.

Lifted from Gleeman, LeCroy vs LHP:

YEAR      AVG      OBP      SLG      OPS
2002     .289     .347     .522     .869
2003     .298     .370     .504     .874
2004     .322     .367     .533     .900
2005     .306     .404     .621    1.025

Looks like he'd be a great fit against LHPs and could give Koskie a rest who hasn't been all that good against lefties (shifting Shea to 3B).

If the Jays signed LeCroy for 2 years for $5 million (total) I'd have no objections at all.

But the Jays have shown no indication to go with 11 pitchers so like Craig pointed out your positional flexibility is gone if he's on the bench so I don't see it happening.

Mick Doherty - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 02:50 PM EDT (#130314) #

assuming Halladay is healthy

File that under "Assumptions, Dangerous."

Ron - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 02:52 PM EDT (#130315) #

Between 2002-2004 Hinske's batting line vs. LHP is

.242/.294/.398

This season it was:

.170/.215/.330

Like Mike Green pointed out, League was the 12th pitcher for most of the season and there was long stretches were he didn't even make an appearance. If I was in charge I would axe the 12th pitcher spot to give my bench one more bat.

I have a hard time picturing LeCroy being offered anything more than a 1yr/$800,000-1 million dollar contract.
I certainly don't want him to be the backup catcher or everyday 1B but I believe he does have value as a platoon partner at DH, pinch hitter, and emergency catcher. I think he's worth a look.

HoJu - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 03:03 PM EDT (#130316) #

I guess the comparison to Hinske I was trying to make is as an everyday player. I agree with Ron, I don't see Lecroy signing for much more than 1 million per year.

Pistol - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 03:19 PM EDT (#130317) #

"I have a hard time picturing LeCroy being offered anything more than a 1yr/$800,000-1 million dollar contract."

I think a lot of people will be surprised at the contracts handed out this offseason. There's lots of teams with money to spend (including some non-traditional teams like the Royals), no teams reducing salaries, and a relatively limited amount of players. It's going to make some of the crazy contracts last year look like decent deals now.

Mike Green - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 03:23 PM EDT (#130318) #

One more thing about roster composition. With the decline in run-scoring and the decline in walks issued in baseball generally, the impetus to have a 7 man bullpen is reduced as starters can work longer into games. Josh Towers' 2005 performance might be one indicator.

Jordan - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 03:25 PM EDT (#130319) #

It's going to take a lot of crazy contracts before the Russ Ortiz and Jaret Wright deals no longer look like the gibbering lunacies they were and are.

But I fear you're correct -- there will be few if any bargains on offer in the hot stove league this winter.

Rob - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 03:56 PM EDT (#130320) #

If I was in charge I would axe the 12th pitcher spot to give my bench one more bat.

I agree. Is it really too much to ask for a six-man bullpen? (By six pitchers I mean six professional baseball players -- no more. I do not mean six major league-quality pitchers sitting in the 'pen along with Matt Whiteside throwing playing cards into a hat or whatever he did out there.)

Of course, a four-man rotation would give one a seven-man bullpen without losing the 14th position player...and while I'm dreaming, I'd also like a pony.

Mylegacy - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 04:40 PM EDT (#130321) #

Matt LeCroy is interesting because he is do-able. I think JP is going to be looking SERIOUSLY at platooning. It could be a cheap(ish) way of increasing production. We could platoon in Left, 1st and DH.

BCMike - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 05:04 PM EDT (#130322) #

What's up with LeCroy's home/away splits? He doesn't hit nearly as well away from the Metrodome, although his limited numbers in Toronto are impressive. I'd rather take Morneau ;)

mathesond - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 06:04 PM EDT (#130323) #

Oh, and today is Mordecai "Three Fingers" Brown's birthday (how did he tell people how old he was when he turned four, anyway?)

I think he was around 6, and perhaps as old as 9 or even 10 when he lost his fingers to a piece of farm machinery

Braby21 - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 06:15 PM EDT (#130324) #

I was just looking back in the history trying to find arbitration dates, and I found this post...

"I'll be pretty disappointed if Delgado walks, Clement signs elsewhere, Hinske proves untradable, and JP signs battered Koskie and some filler free agents..."

Pretty funny stuff, it was posted by _greenfrog...right on the button.

Looking back, Could've been nice to have the money sooner and signed Delgado...thank god Clement signed elsewhere...IMO horrible signing of Koskie, unless JP can trade him back for Morneau...and the filler free agents (kind of), turned out to be Shea, which worked out well.

Ron - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#130327) #

On the official Jays site, there's talk of Dave Bush maybe being the long man in the Pete Walker type role.

I know Bush took a step backwards this season but I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up on him as a starter just yet.

He's put together some terrific performances mixed in with some truly awful one's. I still believe Dave Bush can be a decent number 5 starter. I'm not sure if that Gibby incident helped his cause though.

DepecheJay - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 07:11 PM EDT (#130328) #

The team gets an infusion of money and we're talking about "cheap, affordable" guys? That doesn't make sense to me. IMO, the Jays won't ever be able to contend if they keep signing guys like Hillenbrand and LeCroy for instance. These guys are good if they are in "supporting roles" but at some point the Jays are going to need to bring in a big bat or two. They just can't keep platooning guys in left, DH, etc.

All that being said, screw LeCroy. I still remember him hitting an eventual game winning Grand Salami off of Terry "Trash" Adams.

Pistol - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 07:29 PM EDT (#130330) #

More interesting to me are JP's comments on McGowan:

Ricciardi sees McGowan, a potential staff ace, breaking into the big leagues as a long man and spot starter.
"I could see him pitching out of the 'pen, getting a lot of innings that way and then eventually going into the rotation. I don't know that what we saw as a starter is the same stuff we saw as a reliever," he said. "You guys saw the same thing. I think he's a lot more relaxed coming out of the 'pen. The stuff was electric. ... Maybe that's a way to ease him in."
This is the first time I think I've heard the Jays considering breaking in a starting prospect this way.

DepecheJay - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 07:36 PM EDT (#130332) #

He's right about McGowan, he was flat-out filthy coming out of the pen... in the rotation not so much. Look at Johan Santana though, he broke in this way. Maybe it's not such a bad idea.

Cristian - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 07:52 PM EDT (#130333) #

"It's always a roll of the dice. What's happened, because of the farm system, is we don't have to sign the Jeff Tams of the world -- bottom-fishing, hoping you catch lightning in a bottle.

Ouch if you're Jeff Tam.

So let's recap. McGowan-pen, League-pen, Bush-pen, Batista-pen, Schoeneweis (used to be a starter)-pen, Downs-pen. Is there anyone other than Halladay who won't come out of the pen? By the way, didn't anyone at this conference ask JP about hitting? I doubt it was a bullpen-only season ending press conference.

Jim - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 08:19 PM EDT (#130334) #

You aren't alone. From over a week ago!

http://www.battersbox.ca/comment.php?mode=view&cid=129913

Jim - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 08:23 PM EDT (#130335) #

'Is there anyone other than Halladay who won't come out of the pen?'

Lilly, Towers, Chacin and a free agent to be signed later.

Ron - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#130340) #

At his season ending scrum with the media, JP addressed the hitting situation.

He said big bats are too expensive and he's more likely to go after players with solid BA's and OBP's. I could be wrong, but I remember hearing or reading about how he said basically more Hillenbrand/Koskie type hitters in the lineup is what he's going after. He wants to make it thicker 1-9.

By his definition, I'm thinking instead of people like Dunn/Korneko, he's more likely to add an Overbay or Durazo.

I know most of Da Box wants 30-40 HR type hitters added to the Jays for next season, but from all indications this likely won't happen. I'm certainly concerned about this line of thinking because I think he's wrong, but I'm not the GM.

DepecheJay - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 09:03 PM EDT (#130341) #

What's the point of having as he says "25-30 million to spend" if your not going to use it to address glaring weaknesses? The Jays won't be able to contend with the Yanks/Sox for the simple fact that while the Yanks trot out A-Rod and Sheff and even Giambi and the Sox Ortiz and probably Manny... the Jays are trotting out Hillebrand and Koskie as "thumpers." It just doesn't add up IMO.

VBF - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 09:27 PM EDT (#130343) #

This is why it's do or die for JP. Ted gave JP the cash to go out and make the team a winner, to bring more attendance to make more money. If JP is unable to make the team a winner with Ted's money, either the money will be taken back and Rogers will lose all hope (unlikely to happen) or JP will be shown the door and a more free spending GM comes in, like a Gord Ash, but not Gord Ash (possible). I think it's fair to say that (and this was already discussed in a lengthy thread so I won't go too deep) he's had a positive effect on this club, but without showing the ability to make contracts of impact players, he couldn't do much more for the franchise.

If he is unable to bring impact players into the franchise, then he will have shown he is much more suited to an assistant GM type of role. At least in my opinion.

Ron - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 09:42 PM EDT (#130344) #

To be fair to JP, impact players aren't easily available.
Sure having money is great but it's worthless if you don't have any top tier guys willing to take it. I know he mentioned some FA's last year (Clement, Kline) had some doubts about Canada. It seems to me he hinted at some sort of potential negative Canadian stigma that might exist with some players.

Even with a 75-80 mil payroll it's pretty hard to compete when the Yanks are spending 200+ mil on payroll and the Red Sox are spending 120+ mil.

But I do agree next year is put up or shut up time. JP has said himself next season is the year to compete. If the Jays aren't in the playoff hunt in September (assuming there isn't any major injury problems) then I would lean towards giving another GM a shot.

VBF - Wednesday, October 19 2005 @ 10:37 PM EDT (#130348) #

You're right, it's not totally about the impact players. But it is about the players that are the right fit for this team and can take it to a new level. If another Shea Hillenbrand can take them to the next level, I'm all for it. But it's not like they don't have anything that can help them get this kind of player. The Jays do have money--heck, more of it than half the teams in Major League Baseball, and they're probably right at the top in terms of money they have to spend this offseason. Couple that with a bounty of young arms and there's multiple ways to bring this player(s) of mystery here.

Kutos to JP and Rogers to put us in this situation. Without them there wouln't be any of this talk, but now we'll see if Ricciardi can keep the momentum going.

Alot of people are saying they want the Jays to get a starter and two big bats. I don't even think they need that. A healthy Halladay and we're probably 84 win ballclub. A little more luck and maybe an 88 win ballcub. I think alot of people are afraid to say it because of all the budget constraints in the past, but if we could throw our money at the best free agent out there and blow away everyone with an offer, go for it. A healthy Halladay, some luck and a Paul Konerko* and I think we're a legitimate contender.

Yea, there's some offseason anxiety and impatience kicking in here and I know we all cringe when we see the Russ Ortiz contracts of the world, but for the best player out there who can give you a significant boost, I say why not.

*but not Konerko, not at least if he re-signs.

Jim - Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 09:12 AM EDT (#130356) #

'A little more luck'

You could make the argument that they had a lot of luck this year. They scored a lot more runs then their underlying performance would predict. They also got what may end up being career years from Towers and Chacin. Not bring aggressive this off-season could make 2006 look a lot like 2004.

VBF - Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 11:11 AM EDT (#130366) #

Hmmm, maybe subsitute 'timely hits' with luck. If we had a few more of them, we would've had a better record in one-run games.

Jonny German - Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 11:29 AM EDT (#130370) #

Not [being] aggressive this off-season could make 2006 look a lot like 2004.

And at the same time, being agressive is no guarantee either... the Jays came into 2004 with a pitching staff revamped to the tune of 8 (eight!) new arms and dropped from 9th to 11th in runs allowed. You gotta be lucky as well as smart.

Jim - Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 12:32 PM EDT (#130378) #

You could also lose some games when such a high % of home runs don't come with runners on base.

I just don't think you want to stand still because at least 3 of the other 4 teams in the divison are probably going to get better.

DepecheJay - Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 03:46 PM EDT (#130401) #

Looking at the Jays stats in the AFL is rather depressing. Adam Lind has fallen flat on his face. Here is his line:

038/074/077... That's 1/26 folks... ouch (I know, he's better than that and he had a great season in Dunedin but I'm sure they would have liked his power to develop in the AFL especially seeing how no one can pitch in this league.)

It doesn't get much worse then that. I'd like to know why Chip Cannon wasn't sent to the AFL? Comparitively, the Jays prospects in the AFL are well below average. What's worse about how Lind and Quiroz and to a lesser extent Roberts are doing is that the AFL has been an EXTREME hitters league.

This team needs a rather large infusion of hitters throughout their entire system.

DepecheJay - Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 03:50 PM EDT (#130403) #

Also, I've read elsewhere (scout.com) that the Jays are said to have signed the entire coaching staff to two year extensions. Anyone know the truth of this? It would be interesting if true because then basically EVERYONE in the entire organization would be signed to 2007. The Jays might set a record for expiring contracts in one season.

VBF - Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#130404) #

There was a press release at bluejays.com. IIRC this news was actually mentioned a couple of weeks ago.

Gerry - Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 04:43 PM EDT (#130406) #

<i>Comparitively, the Jays prospects in the AFL are well below average.</i>

If Lind, Roberts, and Quiroz can't be succesful in 26 at-bats, then how good can they be?

Look at John Sickels site where he looked at AFL stats yesterday and figured out they meant almost nothing.

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