My List:

1. McGowan
2. Jackson
3. Rosario
4. Purcey
5. Romero
6. Marcum
7. League
8. Janssen
9. Banks
10.Perkins

Sorry, that Romero is Ricky, not Davis

What are you guys basing your lists on? Ceiling or proximity to the Major Leagues?

Either way you stack the flapjacks, that’s a nice pile.

I think that Davis Romero does not belong on this list. I doubt that he will be in the Jays system next year. Cheng is also not a top 10 at this time as he is too reliant on one pitch(curve). He is interesting, though. That's my flame for today. Now, I'll risk a flame in return by producing my list of prospects which will include RIcky Romero:

(1) Dustin McGowan
(2) Franciso Rosario
(3) Ricky Romero
(4) Brandon League
(5) Shaun Marcum
(6) Zach Jackson
(7) Casey Janssen
(8) David Purcey
(9) Josh Banks
(10) Edward Rodriguez

My List:

1. McGowan
2. Jackson
3. Rosario
4. Purcey
5. League
6. Marcum
7. Janssen
8. Banks
9. Cheng
10.Perkins

I just based my list on the simple question of "Would you trade Pitcher A for Pitcher B?"

1. Purcey
2. Ricky Romero
3. League
4. Jackson
5. Rosario
6. Marcum
7. McGowan
8. Gaudin (Don't know if he counts or not)
9. Banks
10. Janssen

If Gaudin doesn't count, I'd take Perkins at 10 and move Banks/Janseen up a slot.

Kyle Yates has been promoted to Dunedin after several good outings in Lansing. They must seem good things. They are moving guys up pretty regularly. Talked with a parent with a son in the Dbacks organization. He started the MWL all star game but appears to be logjammed and is going to stay in low A for the foreseeable future.

Jordan Timm was also moved up from Auburn to Lansing.

By the way does anyone know if Dewon Day is injured?

He's on the Lansing roster (at milb.com) along with Jayson Rodriguez and Brian Hall, all having no team number.

To complete the chain of events, Tracy Thorpe was promoted from Dunedin to New Hampshire, and Vince Perkins was placed on the DL.

There are just too many things going on with Perkins including inconsistency and repeated stints on the DL. I don't see how the Jays can continue to waste a 40 man spot on him with the competition for these spots becoming ever keener. I think he will be included as a thrown in in a deal or be waived. I do not see him on the 40 man come December.

1. Purcey (control is the obstacle)
2. Rosario (still overpowering; maturity issue?)
3. Marcum (great strides & still new to the craft)
4. League (young & great arm)
5. McGowan (#1 except TJ)
6. Jackson (AA already, great control)
7. Janssen (looks like a comer)
8. Banks (faltering after great 2 months)
9. Perkins (I think he is a closer someday)
10. Rickey Romero (I believe the hype)

Tracy Thorpe was getting a fair amount of press a few years ago. Baseball America mentioned him several times and I started following his stats. He then blew out a shoulder and had major reconstructive surgery. He's been working his way back since. I hope he makes because he sure is working hard at it

It seems that the Jays are promoting more aggressively this year. Agree or disagree? I expect that within the next month there are 4 more promotions waiting to happen. That would be McGowan,Purcey, Janssen, Cannon all to AA. Problem is this would create a logjam at New Hampshire. One way around it might be to hold McGowan back a few more starts at Dunedin and if he becomes dominant, jump him right to Syracuse. There is no question of ability here, only health.

No real objections to Mike's list -- I'd elevate Rosario a couple of places and, for the reasons mentioned, downgrade Cheng till he gets to the FSL. I would also flip Purcey and Jackson -- Zach is off to the faster start, as expected, but Purcey has major potential. And Janssen could be the next Marcum. Beyond that, ranking pitching prospects is like sorting needles, so no need to reorder the list dramatically.

The unfortunate aspect of this list, from the Jays' perspective, is that Marcum probably is the top pitching prospect right now, and that's not good. League and Rosario should be well ahead of him, but both have been disappointments this year (Rosario more than League, who is still young and still adjusting to sophisticated hitters). Josh Banks has disappointed as well -- someone mentioned on another thread that his outings seem to be getting shorter all the time. I have to wonder if there's bad news coming -- the last time a top pitching prospect unexpectedly faltered at Double-A, it was Dustin McGowan.

The positive aspect of the list is that it doesn't include Dave Bush or Chad Gaudin, two guys who will be above-average major-league pitchers, in the rotation and bullpen, respectively, this time next year.

Don't underestimate how promising this group really is. In Purcey, Rosario, League, Ricky Romero, and quite possibly McGowan, the Jays have five legitimate front-of-the-rotation arms -- if even two of them make it, that would be tremendous for the organization. I'd consider Vince Perkins to be only a wild card -- until he goes to the bullpen, I don't really think he's going to break through.

Any of these lists is fine with me. Mine would probably change start by start.

Dewon Day I believe is injured as someone previously mentioned.

I look to likely major league value in the player's first six years of service time. I haven't included Chad Gaudin, as he's got extensive ML experience. Ricky Romero I'm waiting on, but he'd be #6 with a bullet if he was in.

1. Z Jackson
2. Purcey
3. Banks
4. McGowan
5. Marcum
6. Rosario
7. League
8. Vermilyea
9. Janssen
10. Ramirez

Perkins would be #11.

(1) Franciso Rosario
(2) Dustin McGowan
(3) Shaun Marcum
(4) David Purcey
(5) Brandon League
(5) Zach Jackson
(6) Ricky Romero
(7) Josh Banks
(8) Casey Janssen
(9) Vince Perkins
(10) Ismael Ramirez

Marcum
Rosario
McGowan
Banks
Jackson
League
Purcey
Janssen
Romero (the new one)
Perkins

Ten pitching prospects, might as well pick some longshots here:
League
Z. Jackson
Purcey
Janssen
R. Romero
Carnline
Sowers
Wice
Aguirre
Shane Benson

1. McGowan
1a. Ricky Romero (if you rank him move Perkins off the list)
2. Rosario
3. Purcey
4. League
5. Jackson
6. Justin Miller
7. Marcum
8. Banks
9. Janssen
10. Perkins

I think Justin Miller is going to be my most controversial ranking and I'm not even sure if he counts. I'm counting him because I don't think we've seen him stay healthy in a starting role long enough to know what he's really capable of and he's been written off for the most part. He's older and has had a lot of shots already but I think he (still) has significantly better stuff than a lot of people on this list. He just has to stay out of the infirmary.

Is this specifically a pitching prospects list? Or is that indicative of our minor league strengths (and therefore weaknesses)?

McGowan
Rosario
Romero
Jackson
League
Marcum
Purcey
Banks
Janssen
Cheng

Isenberg could have been in that last slot, or Perkins - though I've about lost patience with Perkins.

D'oh! My brain skipped over word "pitching".

1. The Flyin' Hawaiian
2. McGowan
3. Marcum
4. Purcey
5. Jackson
6. R.Romero
7. Cheng
8. Rosario
9. Vermilyea
10. Banks

This was based on "would I trade X for Y?" It was kind of surprising (then again, maybe not) to watch Banks slide down. I originally typed out the first 11 names I could think of, and he kept sliding down. As you can see, he's at the bottom.

R Billie, I'm pretty sure Miller is ineligible. Still, your points are well taken -- I'd like to see him back up with Toronto as well. I'd keep him out of the rotation, though.

My list, based on a combo of both ceiling and likelihood to reach that ceiling:

1. McGowan (fingers crossed)
2. R.Romero (if he counts)
3. Z.Jackson
3. D.Purcey (with control he'd be higher)
4. Rosario (please)
5. Gaudin (given his age, he counts)
6. Banks (org. needs more forkballs)
7. League (anyone remember some guy named Peterson?)
8. Perkins (but falling fast)
9. Vermelyea (feeling a little passed over?)
10. Cheng (holding a spot in the pen for ya)

Honerable mentions:
Marcum - ho'hum.
Janssen - I was pretty impressed with Micheal MacDonald for a while too, but...
Bush - I didn't count him.
J.Miller - When Gross goes back down, he should find himself a spot in the Jays bullpen - TO STAY!

But of course theres no such thing ....

Based on ceiling, performance, makeup, progress (or--the players I would covet the most in a trade, if I were GM of another team):

McGowan
Romero, R.
Purcey
Rosario
Jackson
League (the numbers make me skeptical. Still hopeful, but skeptical)
Janssen
Marcum (a bit too hittable, despite the great control?)
Banks
Vermilyea

I'll stick with cieling;
McGowan
R. Romero
Purcey
League
Jackson
Rosario
Marcum
Banks
Jansen
Perkins
Thats why I put left handers in the highest rasnkings.

So is there any Chi-Hung Cheng or Po-Hsuan Keng's scouting report? I'm interesting in these two kids from Taiwan.

R Romero
McGowan
League
Jackson
Purcey
Rosario
Marcum
Banks
Cheng
Janssen

I can give a quick scouting report on Cheng and Keng. They are pretty similar actually. Cheng throws a fastball in the high 80's, a very very good curveball and a decent change up. The problem with Cheng is that he does not command the fast ball very well at times and likes to live on his breaking stuff. I know they are working on this out in the pen and on his side sessions. He has a lot of strike outs because of his breaking ball. He throws a lot of pitches due to being a strike out pitcher, but he goes to a full count a lot and has generally reached his pitch count by the fifth inning or so.

Keng has been coming out of the pen this year in Lansing. He features the same pitches in a fastball, curveball and change up. His curveball isn't quite as good as Chengs, but his fastball at times this season has reached 95. He is typically 91 or 92 on the fastball.

They are both very young prospects and the need a lot of polishing in my opinion. With them both being young however (and left handed), I believe the Jays will work with them. Command is something that can be worked out with side sessions.

The poll results are now posted in a separate thread.

Taking the best models for them:

Cheng..... Barry Zito type starter
(Great curveball and some control problem)

Keng...... Chris Reitsma type reliever
(Powerful fastball and decent off-speed stuff)

Or other better fits?

CCkiske, those are pretty good comparisons.