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When Frank Catalanotto hit his lead-off homer in the 4th to open the scoring, somehow I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one thinking “OK! This game is now ours, babies!”

Or, as Vince Carter once said in happier times, “IT’S OVER!”

Oh yeah, we all were perfectly well aware that ideally the team would score some more runs, and give Doc a cushion. Still - if one run was all that was going to be available, not to worry. Doc would simply say “Fine. So I’ll just pitch another shutout, then.”

As R Billie pointed out in the Instant Replay, Doc really wasn’t at the absolute top of his game, and had to battle there for a while. Which is absolutely true. Doc was scuffling.

He gave up one run, he walked a couple of guys. This is what he does when he’s scuffling.

Is there a better pitcher in the game today? Is there another pitcher you would rather have?

Shut up, Gleeman. I love Johan Santana, too – but this is just his second year as a full-time starter.

I’m a big fan of Mark Prior, too. And I’ll be an even bigger fan when he makes it through a season without going on the DL. (It would really, really help if he would stop running the bases. Or blocking line drives with his pitching arm.)

Dontrelle Willis and Jake Peavy are wonderful young talents. The sky may very well be the limit for both of them. But they haven't done it yet. Peavy's best so far is 15-6 last year, Dontrelle's his 14-6 as a rookie in 2003. Neither has ever pitched 200 innings in a season.

Obviously, Doc’s career accomplishments come nowhere close to matching the career achievements of Clemens, Maddux, Johnson, Schilling, Pedro. But the end is very near for every one of those guys, even Clemens. Maybe not Pedro, who is still only 33, but as brilliant and dazzling as Martinez has been again this year, don't we all live in fear that what is rumoured to be a damaged labrum may just give out one of these days?

Who else would you rather have?

The secret, if secret there ever was, is out. Over at Athletics Nation last night, there was a great deal of chest-pounding and pride over the fact that the A’s scored a single run off Halladay. Because “we’ve scored as many runs off Halladay in 4 IP as the rest of the AL has scored in his last 35 IP.”

I've spoken a fair bit about Run Support lately, mostly with respect to Dave Bush. Bush's problems notwithstanding, he did pitch quite a bit better than his 0-5 record suggests. His team gave him very little to work with.

The same team hasn't given Roy Halladay much to work with either. But Roy Halladay is a great, great pitcher and that makes all the difference in the world. When Dave Bush pitched well, and his team didn't mount much offense, Bush got tagged with a Tough Loss. When Roy Halladay's team doesn't give him much in the way of offense, Doc hangs a Tough Loss on the other guy.

You don't have to take my word for it, you can check with these guys: Pedro Astacio. Randy Johnson. Zack Greinke. Joe Mays. And, of course, Ryan Glynn. They all pitched very fine games against the Blue Jays, and they all took the big L for their efforts.

There are 92 pitchers in the major leagues who are getting better run support than Roy Halladay.

There are 0 pitchers in the major leagues who have won more games. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Not a one.

The one guy with as many wins as Halladay, Dontrelle Willis, is enjoying better than 2 more runs of offense each game than what Doc makes do with - the Marlins are scoring almost 6 runs per game for him - and Dontrelle is surely very happy indeed to have made the acquaintance of a certain Puerto Rican first baseman.

Some of you may remember the novel-length piece I wrote on Dave Stieb back in March. Towards the end, in order to demonstrate how thoroughly Stieb dominates the team record book, I wrote the following:

"If Roy Halladay, who will be 28 in May, starts 35 games a year until he's 35... he won't catch Stieb. If he works 230 IP a year until he's 35... he won't catch Stieb. If he can win 15 a year until he's 35... he won't catch Stieb. He'll be really close, though. And if he can average 150 Ks a year until he's 35, he can actually pass Stieb."

Now I would be shocked and amazed if Halladay actually read that. But doesn’t his performance make you think that he did? And said to himself “OK, 15 wins and 230 IP isn’t enough to get it done? No problem. No problem at all. Just watch me.”

Halladay is on pace to make 35 starts and pitch 267.1 innings, with a 24-5 record, 192 Ks, just 46 BB. This was his 76th win as a Blue Jay, moving him into a tie with Juan Guzman for 6th place in franchise history. He needs 8 more wins to catch David Wells. What do you think, late August for that? He needs 10 more strikeouts to catch Wells for 6th place in that category. Two more shutouts will make him just the fourth Toronto pitcher ever to pitch 10 shutouts. Stieb of course pitched 30 shutouts as a Blue Jay, and it's one of two Stieb records that I still feel absolutely confident is out of Doc’s reach. That, and hitting batters. But the rest... I’m just not so sure anymore.

He is the Stopper.

You see, way back in the day, before most of you young punks reading this were even born, this was the phrase applied to a great starting pitcher. They called him the Stopper because what he stopped were losing streaks. Before they got out of hand. If you’ve got Sandy Koufax pitching every fourth day and going 25-5, how the hell are you going to have a long losing streak?

Now in all honesty, this was really before my time – I actually remember the term “stopper” being applied to relief aces. They came in and stopped the other team from mounting a rally. They were fireman, coming in to douse the blaze.

But teams don’t use their ace relievers like that anymore. Their role now is to finish the game. Hence they are called “closers.” So we can return the term “stopper” back to the starting rotation.

The Jays have lost 26 games this year, and they have (naturally!) played 26 games following a loss. They’ve gone 13-13 in those games. They’ve gone 6-1 in the 7 games that Halladay started after a loss. Doc himself is 5-1. The other starters are a combined 5-9.

You want to be a contender? It helps to avoid losing streaks. The Jays lost 5 in a row to New York and Baltimore in April, and 4 in a row to Baltimore and Chicago in early May. And surprise, surprise! Those two losing streaks are where you will find Halladay’s two losses this season.

And those two losing streaks are the only times this year that the Blue Jays have lost more than two games in a row. Roy Halladay doesn't permit these things. He is The Man. The Ace. The Stopper.

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Flex - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 09:43 AM EDT (#118602) #
Great piece, Magpie. I was thinking last night as a matter of fact, as I watched Roy dispatch A's hitters as if it were his right, how much he makes me think of Stieb, in terms of the confidence he gives the team, and his dominance over the pitching staff and over the other team's hitters. As we marvel at Halladay, it's good to be reminded of just how extraordinary Stieb's achievements were.

In one respect, of course, he's nothing like Stieb. His approach to the game is entirely positive. Where Stieb would become irritated and angry when the other team got hits, Halladay gets an inner grin. 'Okay,' he says to himself, 'now this is fun."

It makes him a joy to watch, and a joy to cheer for. A plea to the gods to keep him healthy and in a Jays uni for years to come.
Mick Doherty - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 10:44 AM EDT (#118606) #
He needs 8 more wins to catch David Wells. What do you think, late August for that?

Um, well, he'll have eight more starts before the All-Star break, won't he?

NDG - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 11:16 AM EDT (#118607) #
Another excellent writeup Magpie.

Further to Flex's comment. I think I disagree with the Halladay "inner grin". To me, although Halladay seems to be a very nice person off the field, his on the field demeanor can be a little nasty. This is especially evident when the pitching coach or manager come out for a visit. While I've never heard him say something bad, it's just that look he gives them, the "This is my mound, go back to your dugout" look. Not that I have any problem with this. In fact doesn't every great pitcher right now also have that same sullen and/or ornery atttitude when out on the mound? It's probably a byproduct of their greatness as they expect to get every batter out every time.
Jim - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 11:17 AM EDT (#118608) #
If they aren't in the race past the trading deadline and he throws 270 innings, that is a disgrace. There is no reason to abuse the man. He's the franchise.
Flex - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 11:33 AM EDT (#118611) #
NDG, you may be right about Halladay's demeanor when a coach goes to the mound, although it's happened so rarely I can't bring such an occasion to mind. I'm just basing the "inner grin" on Halladay's own comments when, after a game in which he got into some jams, he says, as he did last night, "Those are games that are fun to pitch."

And Jim, I agree. Though Halladay is such a competitor it's hard to take him out of games. If it's abuse to pitch him 270 innings, it's almost self-abuse. But you're right, in a situation like you describe, someone needs to think long term.
Some call me Tim - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 11:33 AM EDT (#118612) #
In terms of innings pitched, I think one needs to keep in mind that it is not as telling a stat as number of batters faced or number of pitches thrown. 270 would be a really high number, but not really as high as it sounds for Halladay, because he goes through innings so quickly.

I think you only need to compare his last game against Minnesota with this one against Oakland to illustrate this. He was so effective in Minnesota that nine innings wouldn't have been a strain at all. Last night he was "struggling", and had a much higher pitch count after seven, so it made a lot of sense to remove him after seven. I haven't seen him left in too long yet this year.

Inevitably, we will see some more losses for Halladay, but when he gets on a roll, he's a real joy to watch. Isn't he?

jsoh - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 12:11 PM EDT (#118614) #
It kinda smells like a throw-away line, but at the end of a 'graph in today's Globe, Jeff Blair has this to say about the draft:

The Blue Jays [...] will take LHP Ricky Romero from Cal State Fullerton if he's still available.

I wonder if he knows something we dont. I know there's always been talk linking Romero with the Jays, but there's an awful lot of certainty in that line.

Magpie - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 12:39 PM EDT (#118616) #
because he goes through innings so quickly.

Does he ever. Although he's worked more innings than anybody in the majors, the actual number of pitches he's needed to throw is not at all remarkable. He's way behind Livan (The Cyborg) Hernandez - Livan's worked one less inning, but thrown enough extra pitches for two whole ball games. Doc's behind Zito, Clement, and several others. He's in the same group as Mussina, Santana, Carpenter.

His efficiency is overwhelming. Greg Maddux says that what he wants to do on the mound is "get the at bat over with." Even in his golden years, Mad Dog still works that way - his 14.0 pitches per inning ranks 103rd out of 111 in number of pitches thrown per inning.

Doc is even more efficient than Maddux, coming in at 108th with 13.6 per inning, basically tied with Mike Hampton and Mark Buehrle. He's just behind Detroit's Jason Johnson. It's especially impressive, because Doc strikes out more hitters than Buehrle or Johnson, and many many more (twice as many) than Hampton.

The leader, of course, is Minnesota's Carlos Silva who never strikes out anybody and never walks anybody either. The most startling name on the list is Pedro Martinez, who is throwing just 13.8 pitches per inning, good for 106th place. Martinez is striking out 10.48 hitters per 9 innings, but he's not needing a lot of pitches to do it. He is still pretty amazing. Either that, or the hitters are just giving up after strike two, and walking away.

It adds up. Someone like Russ Ortiz or Chan Ho Park or Jamie Moyer is going to throw pitches in 220 IP than Halladay will throw in 270 IP.

Flex - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 12:45 PM EDT (#118617) #
Is there ever any concern, though, about the strain on an arm of repeatedly cooling off and warming up? Doc may throw fewer hard-work pitches, but with all those innings he's throwing a lot more warm-up pitches. I know someone, somewhere, has said something about this. I just don't know who, where or what.
Magpie - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 01:19 PM EDT (#118621) #
Curt Schilling was asked something like that when he visited Sons of Sam Horn:

Q - I've always been curious to what degree do warm-up tosses, throws to first base, etc have an impact on a wearing a pitcher down.

A - They don't. Keep in mind this is from my perspective only, but these are really non-issues when it comes to fatigue.

Jobu - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 01:19 PM EDT (#118622) #
Magpie, another excellent thread as always. If I had somekind of hat, that only people who post good stuff were allowed to wear, I'd let you wear that hat for a while.

As I said in last nights Instant Replay, the feeling before a Halladay start is just incredible. Even if the Jays played the NL All Stars, you just feel like Doc SHOULD win this game no matter what. If I had a vest that only the best pitchers in baseball were allowed to wear, I'd let Doc wear that vest for as long as he wants.

On that note, here are some creations of mine that have nothing at all to do with that:

Back when the Jays oozed run support, a certain band of hobbits toppled the people sized World Series champs. In honour of those brave hobbits I created this stunning image, which you can click here for a full sized version.

And on a further note about pitching: I love Pete Walker. Maybe not in that warm and fuzzy way, but in a "I love seeing this dude come out of the pen" way. NFH was speaking of his greatness yesterday. I like to think of him as the Phantom of the Ballpark. He hides in the back, sends a few ultimatums here and there. Then he shows up in late innings and does bad, mean things to opposing hitters. You can try it at home too. Just play the "Overture from the Phantom of the Opera" when he comes into a game and the mood is sufficently set. Here's a photo I created to help you visualize.

Keep your bat at the level of your eyes

That's all I have to say this morning. Hijack over. Lets get some chicken and waffles.

Named For Hank - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 02:08 PM EDT (#118627) #
I like how Jack Nicholson is scratching his head as if to say "What the hell am I doing in this picture?"
Jobu - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 02:28 PM EDT (#118629) #
If they made a Shining II where new guests come to the Overlook and are terrorized by a hobbit sized ghost of Jack Torrance... I'd be pretty bummed out.
Ron - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 03:27 PM EDT (#118633) #
Magpie,

I was wondering what site do you use to find out those pitcher stats (average pitches thrown per inning)?
AWeb - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 03:37 PM EDT (#118635) #
Ron, espn has those stats available in their 'expanded II' pitching stats section.
CaramonLS - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 03:38 PM EDT (#118636) #
Magpie or someone, I would like to see stats on 1st time, 2nd time, 3rd time. Through the Order OBP, AVG, OPS, for the opponents for Chacin (as well as where you can find these sorts of stats).

As well if you could provide his stats for his last 3 AA seasons, would be great too if you can find those.
Ron - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 03:42 PM EDT (#118637) #
Aweb thx for the help. I didn't know ESPN had all those stats.
Magpie - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 04:14 PM EDT (#118638) #
The Baseball Cube generally has minor league stats, for active players anyway. Just enter the name in the search box. So you would find Gustavo Chacin here:

ESPN's player pages have all kinds of additional splits - they don't have exactly what you're looking for, but they do have results by groups of innings (1-3, 4-6, and 7-9), and by pitch count: 1-15, 16-30, 31-45 and so on. For Gus, those would be here:

If you're full of energy and have nothing better to do, you could always go through Chacin's Game Logs - there is a link to the recap, the boxscore, and the play-by-play of each game.

And of course one of the cool things you can do with the ESPN stats pages that AWeb cited above (and that's where I got them) is sort them by any category. If you want them sorted by Innings Pitched, just double click on the column header ("IP") and presto!

Jim - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 04:29 PM EDT (#118639) #
Halladay is extremely efficent.

He threw 266 efficient innings in 2003.

How was his 2004 again?

There may not be a direct cause and effect, but there might be.
Magpie - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 04:33 PM EDT (#118641) #
Where Stieb would become irritated and angry when the other team got hits

Stieb often seemed outraged by the other team getting a hit - such an event could only be made possible by bad luck and ill fortune. Because no one was good enough to actually hit him. Needless to say, this sort of demeanor drove the hitters on the other team out of their minds with rage...

I think Halladay deals with adversity much better than Stieb. Doc seems to see it as a challenge, relishes it, and steps up. Stieb had so much weird and random ill luck that it definitely got into his head after a few years. There was often a feeling of doom about his best efforts - there'll be a bloop, and then an error, and then the umpire will miss a call. You started to expect these things when Stieb pitched. He did get better at dealing with it during his last few seasons - he got almost resigned and fatalistic about it. That doesn't sound good, but in fact he more or less stopped worrying about it and just kept pitching.

uglyone - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 06:26 PM EDT (#118648) #

Might Halladay be an example of why fewer strikeouts might be better for a top notch starting pitcher? Surely all his early count groundouts make him much more efficient than if he was always missing bats, and striking them out on 5 pitches instead of grounding them out on 3.

As for his 2004 injury...I still maintain that that could have been avoided if he had repeated the same offseason program, instead of ramping it up and pitching more and earlier in the offseason after his 266 inning Cy campaign. I was very upset when I first heard Roy was starting early in the offseason that year - I can never understand why, after a great year like that, players seem to believe that they need to change things in the offseason. After a season like that, I say keep things exactly the same.

I also think that last year's "rest" year for Roy, along with his now better understanding of offseason workouts, is going to mean an even better Roy, and an even more consistent Roy....this year, and in years to come.
CaramonLS - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 06:52 PM EDT (#118649) #
Thanks Mag, I was just recalling back to the broadcast about how Gus seems to go through the 1st time in the order with dominance and seems to get worse as the game wears on.

A - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 07:14 PM EDT (#118650) #
Interestingly, either here or on the RSN broadcast, it was mentioned that David Bush actually gets statistically stronger as he progresses through a ball game.
Rob - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 07:26 PM EDT (#118651) #
Gibby's under the weather tonight, apparently, so Ernie Whitt makes his managing debut. Will anything he does be noticeably different from John Gibbons?

I foresee Vernon Wells batting third and Aaron Hill sixth; don't ask me why. Just a feeling.
Flex - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 07:31 PM EDT (#118652) #
I would think Whitt would keep the lineup similar to Gibby's, so as not to show him up. But Whitt has a major ego, so maybe not...
forest fest - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 08:15 PM EDT (#118653) #
Yeah, I read that too Jsoh, that Blair says the jays will take Romero

But given that the jays are notoriusly secretive and Richardi is always trying to divert attention from who he really likes, and fake other teams out, I wouldn't read much into that.
Nick - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 08:21 PM EDT (#118654) #
Good call, Rob. Wells is hitting 3rd tonight, Hill 6th.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=250604111

However, I highly doubt Whitt made the lineup with no input from Gibbons. He may not be well enough to manage the game, but I think he can still fill out a lineup card or at least assist in completing one.
Maldoff - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 08:42 PM EDT (#118658) #
Does anyone else find the Jays use of Alex Rios lately a little disconcerning? It seems like they don't trust him to be an everyday player, and use him in a platoon whenever someone else is available (ie Gross or Reed Johnson). And they keep batting him quite low in the lineup these days, which I don' think suit his strengths.
Named For Hank - Saturday, June 04 2005 @ 09:11 PM EDT (#118660) #
Maldoff, I don't think he was being platooned until Reed Johnson got red hot and Rios got cold.

I can't imagine that it's permanent, or even for much longer.

It's less a function of their confidence in Rios and more about how just plain awesome Reed Johnson has been playing.
Thomas - Sunday, June 05 2005 @ 01:41 AM EDT (#118662) #
FWIW, as of Friday BA had the Jays still debating beteween Romero, Townsend, Maybin and Clement.
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