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The Yankees is dead! The Yankees is dead!

You could almost hear the glee in the voices echoing from Chesepeake Bay to Boston Harbor, from the CN Tower all the way out to the Big A overseeing the stadium that is home to the California's Orange County Angels of Anaheim near Los Angeles and Beverly Hills 90210.

And, as I have speculated here many times, that day probably isn't far off; 2007 at the latest seems a likely time to pay the piper. Will the dark days Yankee fans know as The Horace Clarke Era one day be pined for from deep within the Ferdin Tejada decade? We don't know yet. But it is seeming less and less likely that the answer will come in 2005.

Yes, yes, the Yankees have had to put together an in-progress eight-game winning streak just to get to .500 (19-19) and remain mired, relatively speaking to the franchise's usual standards, in fourth place, a game back of Toronto, three and a half back of the arch-rival Red Sox and five and a half games back of the shockingly successful Orioles under the tutelage of former Yankee coach Lee Mazzilli.

But if you'd talked to the most wildly optimistic Yankee fan at the beginning of the season (and he is not me) and told him the following would be true on May 15:

  • The starting right side of the Yankee infield would be Tino Martinez and Robinson Cano;
  • 16 different starting pitchers would have more wins than the Yankee leaders, Mike Mussina and Randy Johnson with four apiece;
  • Mussina would be the only Yankee in the top 20 of the AL's ERA leaders, and he would be 20th;
  • Mariano Rivera would blow consecutive saves to the Red Sox to start the season, and end the first half of May with fewer saves than any of B.J. Ryan, Shingo Takatsu or Miguel Batista;
  • The Yankees most consistent reliever would be Buddy Groom;
  • Hideki Matsui would be hitting .255 and deep into the longest homerless streak of his professional (US and Japan) baseball career, and have just two more dingers than Andy Phillips;
  • Ruben Sierra would be lost to injury for nearly a month -- and that this would matter;
  • Colter Bean would already have made his major league debut, while Sean Henn and Chien-Ming Wang would both appear to at least temporarily fill rotation slots -- and Wang might be the most important young pitcher in pinstripes since Andy Pettitte;
  • Carl Pavano, the big (non-Big-Unit) offseason acquisition, would be just 2-2, 4.80;
  • Jaret Wright would manage to compile a seasonal ERA of more than 9.00, and it wouldn't be coming down any time soon given his season was probably over when he was DL'd on April 24
  • Steve Karsay would be pitching in the minor leagues -- for the Texas Rangers;
  • Tom Gordon would be on pace to pitch in 80 games again, something the Yankee brass swore would never happen;
  • Randy Johnson would good but not dominant and his fellow 200-game winner Kevin Brown would be maddeningly inconsisten -- but not dominant.
... well, you tell the most wildly optimistic Yankee fan all those things are going to be true after 38 games, and he's thrilled with 15-23, never mind 19-19. And more importantly ...

The Bam-Tino is back: In the 2005 Yankee Preview in this space some time back, I wrote the following:

    In 2002, Jason Giambi replaced Tino Martinez as the NYY 1B. Can the Bam-Tino return the favor this year? It seems unlikely; though Martinez has had a nice little run with the Cardinals and Devil Rays the past three years, he's never been as good as he was during the six year stretch in which he manned the first base bag in pinstripes from 1996-2001 ... until Giambi shows he can fight through the 'roids issue or Tino demonstrates that he's found a way to turn the clock back to 1997 [the Yankee first base situation will remain in flux].
Problem solved. The former didn't happen -- Giambi will never be Giambi again, and Tino is, in fact, channeling Moose Skowron and Joe Pepitone as he re-dons pinstripes. Of course, "on pace for" is one of the silliest phrases in sports, but the fact is, Martinez is "on pace for" 52 homers and 124 RBI right now, and if he hits 80 percent of those numbers, he'll get serious MVP consideration. In fact, if he approaches those numbers in actuality, it will be time -- and I can't believe I'm writing this -- to start talking about him as a fringe Hall of Fame candidate.

Of course, he probably won't keep it up. but I remember thinking the same thing in 1997, then again four years later in 2001. And now it's four years later again ...

And yes, Tino is 37, which is quite "old" in baseball years (I used to think that was true in regular years, too, but I'm 38 now.) And Joe and Juan Baseball Fan in New York understand that the the Yankees are an old team -- and they are.

But think "wily veterans well-versed in small ball" rather than "plodding old mashers." As of May 15, only two American Leaguers over the age of 35 had stolen at least six bases -- Tony Womack, who had 10; and Gary Sheffield, of all people, with six. (The only NLer to fit those criteria was Omar Vizquel, who also had six.) The aforementioned Martinez also had one, and combined, the three speedy pinstriped geriatrics had combined to steal 17 bags in 19 attempts.

And as for the kids -- okay, "kid," singular -- Cano has slapped his way to a .325 average so far, probably an early-season mirage, but encouraging nevertheless.

That's not to say the power is missing from the Bronx lineup; Giambi didn't take it all with him when he threw away the needles. The Yanks were leading the AL in runs scored on the morning of May 15 with 211, with only the Red Sox at 202 in one fewer game, also cracking the bicentury mark. The still-aptly-named Bombers were third in the league in homers, behind just Baltimore and Texas and third in OPS at .802, just one of three AL teams (with Baltimore, leading the way at .827 and Boston at .810) over the .800 mark to date.

The pitching has looked much more Yankee-like recently. And really, it does all come back to this. The numbers are still godawful across the board, but there is reason to hope even that will change. In Johnson's last three starts, though he is just 2-1, he has posted 25 inning pitched, giving his bullpen a much-needed rest, with a 2.16 ERA, six walks and 23 strikeouts. After starting out 0-4, Brown has won his last two starts, posting a 2.08 ERA and five strikeouts against just one walk in 13 innings. Since blowing the two against the Sox, Rivera has converted all five of his save chances and his ERA has dropped from 2.70 in April to 1.80 so far through May; he also has far more strikeouts and fewer walks per inning in May than he did in April.

Oh, and that A-Rod guy? His 34 RBI is tied for second on the AL and in all of MLB, while his 12 homers are tied for the major league lead -- with Tino Martinez.

So what's all this mean? Not much, not by a long shot, not yet. Getting to .500 is not something normally celebrated by Yankee faithful, unless it's the late 1960s or the early 1990s. And we haven't even addressed the "fielding" the Yankees have been doing, or in many cases, not doing -- that word is in quotes for a reason.

But the moral of the story here, I guess, is -- to borrow a phrase from a man who once wrote about Yankees of the Connecticut variety in King Arthur's Court -- rumours of the death of King George's Yankees have been greatly exaggerated.

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Ron - Sunday, May 15 2005 @ 08:48 PM EDT (#116680) #
A lot of people are saying the Yanks demise will happen soon (some think it's already happened)but I don't see it.
Unless George decides to close his wallet, the Yanks will always be in the chase for upper class FA's.

The Yanks also have payroll coming off the books after this season with Brown, Gordon, F-Rodriguez, and Stanton's contracts expiring.

Of course the meaning of demise is subjective. Are we talking about only winning 88 regular season games and missing the playoffs or perhaps fighting for 70 wins?
Mike Green - Sunday, May 15 2005 @ 08:59 PM EDT (#116684) #

Here is what Tino's BBRef comps did from age 37 on. His hot streak is interesting, but totally unsustainable (like Hillenbrand hitting .400 or Gabe Gross leading the league in homers). Actually, it's a bit of a negative for the Yankees because it makes it more likely that they'll stick with him all season.

The Yanks are playing .500 and the injuries haven't hit yet. I'm sorry, Mick, but "Go-go yanks" just doesn't capture the essence of this team.

Gerry - Sunday, May 15 2005 @ 09:02 PM EDT (#116685) #
Before they are proclaimed pennant winners they have to play well against some good teams. They have played well against Oakland and Seattle and the offense has improved but is the pitching there yet? According to the Yankee radio team today Randy was favouring his groin. Pavano has struggled in his last few starts, and Brown and Wang are questionable from start to start. Mussina is pitching well. The Yankees have been bludgeoning the A's and the M's with their offense, can they do it against better teams?
Jdog - Sunday, May 15 2005 @ 09:25 PM EDT (#116688) #
"Giambi will never be Giambi again"

How about we say Giambi is back to being Giambi , and will never be the solid RBI producing roid powered schmuck again. Good for him.
Mike Green - Sunday, May 15 2005 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#116689) #
Jdog,

I do not know if "roid-powered schmuck" is abusive but it is certainly not one of the top 10 things I would like to be called. You may not know that "schmuck" in Yiddish refers to the male part and in that context "roid-powered" seems to be an oxymoron.

Jdog - Sunday, May 15 2005 @ 09:43 PM EDT (#116691) #
Mike,

I actually did know what the definition of schmuck was. I believe i actually learned the word here in da box a while back. Sorry if i got a little carried away, I just get a little perturbed with the guys who are made by steroids.

PS.. How on earth is that an oxymoron?
Keith Talent - Sunday, May 15 2005 @ 10:07 PM EDT (#116692) #
Good game to watch on TV today between the Yankees and the A's.

I don't think Giambi is done just as I don't think a great player can be made by steroids or amphetamines. Those things only enhance what you already have, artificially. Once you take those things away, the player remembers what it was like to be in that zone and finds a different, more healthy way to get there.

We were brought up reading stories, watching cartoons, believing in magic potions; but they just don't exist. If Giambi doesn't recover, it will only be for a lack of mental toughness.
Dave Till - Sunday, May 15 2005 @ 10:27 PM EDT (#116694) #
I agree that the success of the Yankees this year will ride and fall on their starting pitching.

What I've noticed about the baseball aging process is this: there seem to be three ways for a ballplayer's performance to change as he ages.

The first is that he simply drops off a cliff, performance-wise, and never returns to form. This can be due to injury (zillions of pitchers, Mo Vaughn), sudden loss of skills (Dale Murphy and Jeff Cirillo are classic examples), or bad karma (Steve Blass). Giambi may be an example of this.

The second is that the player is in peak form when completely healthy, and struggles when one or more of the aging body parts is not performing at its best. So far (though it's very early for him), Carlos Delgado seems to be like that.

The third is that the player slowly and smoothly declines in performance. Fred McGriff did this, as did Joe Carter.

The New York Yankees, who are very old by baseball standards, provide an ideal laboratory for testing how ballplayers age. If the norm is to suddenly drop off a cliff, the Yankees will be heading into Horace Clarke Land sooner rather than later. If the norm is for streaks of peak performance mixed with bouts of ineffectiveness, you could reasonably expect a very streaky team. If gradual decline in performance is the standard, the Yanks will slowly meander towards .500, and then possibly further down.

So far, the evidence suggests that the Yankees are following path (b), as they struggled badly for a while and are now on a rush. But what happens in the future?

I believe that Mick is right: the Yankees, barring an infusion of talent from outside or unexpected bursts of good fortune, are going to go thud sometime within the next couple of years. (Especially considering Steinbrenner might choose to knock over his entire house of cards in a fit of pique.) They have nobody in the farm, their core players are getting noticeably older, and their team defense (with one or two conspicuous exceptions) is below average just about everywhere. (I'd rate A-Rod and Posada defensively right now, and I guess Matsui.)

I'm wondering how close the correlation is to the 1964 Yankees, which were also an aging team that struggled before eventually winning the pennant. After 1964, of course, the team crashed into the second division in 1965, and into dead last in 1966.
Magpie - Sunday, May 15 2005 @ 11:18 PM EDT (#116696) #
rumours of the death of King George's Yankees have been greatly exaggerated.

We'll always have Paris. And the first days of May....

What happened to the Yankees in 1964-65? The pitching slipped a little, from third in the league to fifth. A very heavy workload in 1963 and 1964 (and throwing 150+ pitches one cold April night) probably did in Jim Bouton, who had been a 20 game winner in 1964 at age 25, but crashed to 4-15 the next season. Al Downing slipped a bit as well. But Mel Stottlemyre, who had been sensational as a late year call up in 1964, picked up the slack for Bouton: Todd's dad went 20-9 in his first full season. And the Yankees squeezed one last good year (16-13) out of Whitey Ford.

But the offense, which had been very good in 1964, went off the liff in 1965. Four players were mainly responsible: one of them was a 36 year old catcher, and while Mickey Mantle was just 33, his legs were about 65. But Roger Maris was 30 in 1965, and Joe Pepitone was just 24... what happened there?

Elston Howard: .313, 15 HR, 84 RBI to .233, 9 HR, 45 RBI

Roger Maris: .281, 26 HR, 71 RBI to .239, 8 HR, 27 RBI(in just 46 games)

Mickey Mantle: .303, 35 HR, 111 RBI to .255, 19 HR, 46 RBI

Joe Pepitone: .281, 28 HR, 100 RBI to .251, 18 HR, 62 RBI

Tom Tresh had a bounce-back year in 1965, and they weren't getting much offense from the rest of the lineup (Kubek, Boyer, Richardson) anyway.

Mick Doherty - Monday, May 16 2005 @ 12:17 AM EDT (#116697) #
I'm sorry, Mick, but "Go-go yanks" just doesn't capture the essence of this team.

yeah, Mike, I was kinda going for the irony factor there!

I still expect the Yankees to make the playoffs, and presuming Brown, Unit and Moose are healthy -- no sure thing -- they could easily go a long way in October.

3RunHomer - Monday, May 16 2005 @ 09:09 AM EDT (#116700) #
and five and a half games back of the shockingly successful Orioles under the tutelage of former Yankee coach Lee Mazzilli.

Luckily for all the teams trying to catch the Orioles, "Maz" hasn't lost his loyalty to the Yanks. He's killed more potential big innings than I can count with his bunt-happy nonsense (bunting in the first inning even), and he's trying to do a "Dusty" on the arms of the young starters and BJ Ryan through overuse. Has a manager ever been fired for being a traitor before?

Mike Green - Monday, May 16 2005 @ 09:38 AM EDT (#116701) #
JDog, steroids are known to enhance certain kinds of performance, and to make others less awe-inspiring. Moving on...
Jobu - Monday, May 16 2005 @ 10:53 AM EDT (#116710) #
schmuck" in Yiddish refers to the male part

That's why I love da box. I learn something new everyday and not always about baseball.

kpataky - Monday, May 16 2005 @ 11:44 AM EDT (#116716) #

When I was in Toronto back in April for the 2 Yankee games, every time Giambi came up there were 2 guys in the left field seats that held up a cutout of a hypodermic needle with letters spelling GIAMBI on it. JDog, was that you?

 

Jdog - Tuesday, May 17 2005 @ 02:36 AM EDT (#116809) #
Hey Kevin,

No it sure wasn't me, not sure if you were seriously asking, but yeah im from the alberta. Im not that big of a protestor/nut, guys who cheat just bug me a tad. I dont know enough about steroids to know their impact and i dont think the others posting on here do either. They have to have a pretty good impact though or else why would someone jeoperdize(sp?) their health. Thus they deserve all the ridicule they get.
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