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The Jays and Roy Halladay go for four in a row as they face the Yankees and the Big Unit at 7:05 p.m. Halladay is kept on his regular 5 day rotation, while Dave Bush will pitch with extra rest tomorrow.

I wonder if tall hitters do better than short hitters against tall pitchers. So, our little prizeless contest for the day- what will Alex Rios' line for today be?
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Terran - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 06:52 PM EDT (#114315) #
It's nice to see ESPN put Randy Johnson vs. Roy Halladay in their best matchup of the day poll. Understandably it's falling a distant third to Maddux/Clemens and Mulder/Hudson though...
Terran - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 06:55 PM EDT (#114316) #
And seeing as I'm here, even though I think someone else does this better, the starting lineups:

Toronto
DH) F. Menechino
LF) R. Johnson
CF) V. Wells
3B) S. Hillenbrand
RF) A. Rios
C) G. Zaun
1B) E. Hinske
2B) O. Hudson
SS) J. McDonald

NY Yankees
SS) D. Jeter
2B) T. Womack
RF) G. Sheffield
LF) H. Matsui
3B) A. Rodriguez
DH) J. Giambi
C) J. Posada
1B) T. Martinez
CF) B. Williams
Nolan - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 07:02 PM EDT (#114318) #
Well, I like being optimistic and I think I'll carry that over into my prediction for Rios' line today:

3/5: 2 doubles, first homerun of the year and 3 rbi....plus Alex will rob Giambi of an extra basehit.

TorontoDan - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#114319) #
2/4 with a single and a double.
VBF - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 07:07 PM EDT (#114320) #
Rios: 1 for 5 with a double and 4 groundouts.

Let's hope the Jays just keep it rolling and can string some base hits together here and there with 100% Halladay bred pitching.
Stellers Jay - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 07:09 PM EDT (#114321) #
I'm a little surprised Huckaby's not starting tonight for two reasons. Firstly, it's Johnson on the hill and secondly he was almost Halladay's personal catcher in his 1st tour of duty with the Jays.
Terran - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 07:09 PM EDT (#114322) #
Nice start.
Rob - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 07:10 PM EDT (#114323) #
Rios: 0 for 2 with two walks and a run scored.

Terran - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 07:12 PM EDT (#114324) #
The announcer mentioned that Yankees Stadium is not quite as full as usual. There's no offical attendence numbers yet (that I know of) but it's still probably well over 40,000 people anyways. Still, I wonder if the slow start is hurting the Yankees financiall at all...
Elijah - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 07:15 PM EDT (#114325) #
According to Suzyn Waldman on the Yankees broadcast, Mariano Rivera was afflicted with some sort of stomach ailment. He was unavailable yesterday and according to Waldman, the Yankees sent him home tonight. So Tom Gordon would act as the Yankees' closer tonight which of course, affects everyone else's role in the bullpen.
Brett - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 07:27 PM EDT (#114326) #
Give Rob a cigar. He was the only one to predict that Rios would draw a walk.
NYJaysFan36 - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 07:29 PM EDT (#114327) #
MLB.tv coverage of this game is blacked out to the Rochester area despite the fact that the YES network is not carrying the game and it is not on another channel.
Yet another reason to hate the Yankees...
Stellers Jay - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 07:33 PM EDT (#114328) #
Beltran. Who?
TorontoDan - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 07:35 PM EDT (#114329) #
Wow, what an incredible throw by Hudson. Probably the best I've seen from him this season. It's just a beautiful sight to see.
DJR - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:07 PM EDT (#114330) #
Then maybe you missed Hudson's no-look bullet relay to the plate against Texas.
TorontoDan - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:13 PM EDT (#114331) #
I missed one game against the Texas series, so that's probably the case. Halladay has been sharp tonight, getting out of a few big RISP situations.
cdelgado6 - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:22 PM EDT (#114332) #
I hate to be negative, but why is menestinko hitting leadoff.
NYJaysFan36 - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:23 PM EDT (#114333) #
WOW! Johnny Mac! Great catch!
Terran - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:25 PM EDT (#114334) #
"I hate to be negative, but why is menestinko hitting leadoff."

I'm not entirely sure. To be honest I think they might want to give Rios a chance leading off. A plus .300 average and arguably the most speed on the team makes him the logical candidate if he contiunes to display little power...
HollywoodHartman - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:26 PM EDT (#114335) #
Because in 04 he hit a leadoff HR against The Unit
Mike D - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:27 PM EDT (#114336) #
Savour this one, ladies and gentlemen. We're watching a special game.
Chuck - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:27 PM EDT (#114337) #
I hate to be negative, but why is menestinko hitting leadoff.

Could have something to do with his .398 OBP vs LHP in 2004.

cdelgado6 - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:28 PM EDT (#114338) #
I agree, he hits for average and has some speed. I would try him there
Chuck - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:30 PM EDT (#114340) #
A plus .300 average and arguably the most speed on the team makes him the logical candidate if he contiunes to display little power...

What makes him very much less than a logical candidate is his poor plate discipline. You want your leadoff hitter to be able to get on base. Even batting .321 coming into this game, his OBP was just .329.

Terran - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:40 PM EDT (#114341) #
Halladay used 88 pitches over 6 innings. The single Randy Johnson just gave up was his 79th pitch of the day. I wonder how many pitches both managers will let their starters go to considering that niether team has scored a run yet...
TorontoDan - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#114343) #
DUDE!
westcoast dude - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#114344) #
Dude.
Elijah - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#114345) #
All right! HINSKE!

It looked like an 0-2 fastball that went right down the middle.
unclejim - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#114346) #
HINSKE !!!!
Mike D - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#114347) #
If anyone's in Manhattan tonight, that was me whooping and hollering just then!
Magpie - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#114348) #
I really think cries of "DUDE" would not be out of place right now.

And how about that - the only LH in the lineup comes through.

JayWay - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:44 PM EDT (#114349) #
The Dude!!!
NYJaysFan36 - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:44 PM EDT (#114350) #
Mark down Rios' baserunning gaffe if this becomes less of a pitchers duel...
King Ryan - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:44 PM EDT (#114351) #
Woooo. Hinske homers off a LHP. Forget that, he homers off the LHP.
Coach - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:44 PM EDT (#114352) #
We're watching a special game.

That's for sure. Spectacular glove work by Hudson, McDonald and Hillenbrand to complement the best of tonight's vaunted pitching matchups.

Live by little ball, die by little ball. Shame to erase the leadoff single, but Doc will take the two-run lead.
Terran - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:45 PM EDT (#114353) #
Did I just mishear, or did the RSN announcer say the score was 3-1?
NYJaysFan36 - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:46 PM EDT (#114355) #
What's interesting about Hinske's homer is that he looked totally clueless on the first two pitches.
It also looked like Sheffield thought he was going to catch it on the near edge of the track and drifted, thought about jumping, then it was 3 rows and a walkway deep. Good wind pattern for guys like Posada, Williams, and Matsui.
Mike D - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:46 PM EDT (#114356) #
That's the thing about the aging Unit -- still an amazing pitcher, but no longer one able to simply blow away hitters that are sitting on the fastball with pure gas.

Doc's got a (slim) lead, despite Unit frankly being luckier.
Chuck - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:47 PM EDT (#114357) #
It looked like an 0-2 fastball that went right down the middle.

Don't mean to sound pedantic, but I think it was a hanging slider. After getting two consecutive called strikes on the inner half of the plate, I think Johnson wanted to throw the slider low and away. Instead he threw a frisbee down the middle. I'm not sure Hinske pulls a Johnson fastball over the right field fence.

westcoast dude - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:48 PM EDT (#114358) #
Maybe cutting down Rios went to the Big Unit's head.
Pride comes before a fall. Thank Rios.
cdelgado6 - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:48 PM EDT (#114359) #
And to think I was saying bad things about DUDE during those first two pitches. Big hit, now let's hope Doc holds it.
Elijah - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:49 PM EDT (#114360) #
Chuck, you're probably right - I didn't see a replay. I was too busy typing! Be pedantic all you'd like.
King Ryan - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#114361) #
Spectacular glove work by Hudson, McDonald and Hillenbrand to complement the best of tonight's vaunted pitching matchups.

Don't forget Randy Johnson!

WOW. That was a wicked pitch to K A-Rod. I think I'm having as much fun as I've had this season watching a baseball game.

Magpie - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:51 PM EDT (#114362) #
Of the five celebrated pitching matchup we had going into tonight, this is the one that is actuallyliving up to advance billing. The others:

Mulder vs Hudson - both got roughed up in the first inning, and it's 4-4 in the 4th.

Greinke vs Sabathia - CC did his part, but not Zack. Indians are up 6-0 in the 6th.

Maddux vs Clemens - it's early, Cubs are up 2-1 in the 3rd.

Still to come - Webb vs Peavy.

I think if Doc needs to throw 130 pitches to finish this one, that's what we're going to see.

NYJaysFan36 - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:52 PM EDT (#114363) #
Ryan,

Every pitch in that A-Rod at-bat was wicked. (and a strike, just not a strike in New York)
Mike D - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:53 PM EDT (#114364) #
Maybe not 130, Mags. That pitch to Posada was a hanger with a capital H. There are a lot of NL pitchers who would have drilled that one for a double.

But eh -- no harm, no foul. Doc's unflappable.
Terran - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:54 PM EDT (#114365) #
"I think if Doc needs to throw 130 pitches to finish this one, that's what we're going to see."

I hope it won't come to that. We might see Batista come up in the 9th regardless, but Halladay will probably start the 8th...
Stellers Jay - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:55 PM EDT (#114366) #
99 pitches through 7 for Doc. He might need some help from Miggy to finish this one out.
Coach - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:55 PM EDT (#114367) #
Doc's start in Boston was a fantastic game too. Interesting that tonight was the first time I've heard it mentioned that Halladay was "under the weather" vs. the Orioles but gamely took the ball anyway. Is there anyone left out there who still doesn't realize that missing this guy was the #1 reason 2004 was such a long, disappointing season?
Chuck - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:55 PM EDT (#114368) #
I think if Doc needs to throw 130 pitches to finish this one, that's what we're going to see.

I agree. Batista can be the closer for everyone else. Let Halladay finish this one off himself.

Mike D - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:57 PM EDT (#114369) #
Kaat just said that Hinske's jack was the 22nd home run hit by a lefty off Randy Johnson...ever. And Barry accounts for three of them.
Elijah - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 08:58 PM EDT (#114370) #
I think we need to see how Doc handles the 8th. With Bernie, Jeter and Womack, if he can get through those three in good order, then maybe he'll pitch the 9th.

Sheffield, Matsui and A-Rod will each get another chance up in the 8th or 9th. Not sure I'd want them going up against a tired Doc if I'm Gibbons. But we shall see.
NYJaysFan36 - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:00 PM EDT (#114371) #
1 pitch, 1 out. So far so good.
Magpie - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:01 PM EDT (#114372) #
Molina update - Yadier Molina bunted into a double play to end St Louis 4 run first inning against Atlanta. His throwing error then led to an unearned run in the bottom of the inning.

Can just one be one too many Molinas? Perish the thought.

Brian Jordan's 2 run HR tied it for the Braves, for a 2 run shot by Pujols now has the Cards up 6-4.

NYJaysFan36 - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#114373) #
Its surprising Jeter can't hit an outside fastball since he leans over the plate on every pitch as it comes in.
That was the same exact pitch he got Jeter on before. Hoepfully the rest of the league is watching.
Elijah - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#114374) #
Yeah, I'd let him start the 9th.
Terran - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#114375) #
Halladay's up to 108 pitches after 8. Maybe they'll try and put him in for the 9th with Batista warming up as insuriance.
Terran - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:06 PM EDT (#114376) #
109, sorry.
Stellers Jay - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:06 PM EDT (#114377) #
I'd send him out for the 9th with Batista warm. If a runner gets on, bring in Miggy.
cdelgado6 - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:06 PM EDT (#114378) #
great game by doc...3 more outs and we are guaranteed a winning April!!!!
Coach - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:07 PM EDT (#114379) #
Why would anyone think Doc would be tired? Pitch counts are only a guideline. He's a big, strong, healthy young man whose competitive juices are flowing. He will definitely come out for the ninth and they can get Batista loose, but you simply don't take away his shutout.
Terran - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:07 PM EDT (#114380) #
runners on 1st and 2nd with no one out. Maybe this won't even be a save oppertunity if we're lucky...
Elijah - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:07 PM EDT (#114381) #
If it's still 2-0 after the top of the 9th and Sheffield reaches, would you bring in Schoeneweis to face Matsui?

I don't think I would. I think I'd let Halladay go until he allows two guys to reach. It should be his game to win.

Good start to the 9th, hopefully the Jays can get some insurance.
unclejim - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:08 PM EDT (#114382) #
I say no way Halladay comes out unless things start to go seriously wrong.

and if we can tag a few more runs on this innings then the games Halladay's to complete even if a runner gets on...

What a great game.
Stellers Jay - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:08 PM EDT (#114383) #
Having said that, it would probably take the whole coaching staff to carrying Doc of the mound if they were to make a pitching change.
King Ryan - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#114384) #
Sacrifice bunting in thi situation isn't a totally bad idea, but Zaun has been hot this season...I'd rather he swing the lumber.

VBF - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#114385) #
Is there anyone left out there who still doesn't realize that missing this guy was the #1 reason 2004 was such a long, disappointing season?

I don't think so. A healthy Halladay is/will be replacing all those injured Halladay/Justin Miller starts. Having an Ace like Halladay stops those losing streaks and keeps the winning ones going. It is priceless.

King Ryan - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:11 PM EDT (#114386) #
If it's still 2-0 after the top of the 9th and Sheffield reaches, would you bring in Schoeneweis to face Matsui?

Absolutely not. I say Doc starts the inning while Batista warms up. Doc has never shown fatigue after 100 pitches before. I can remember several games where he has pitched 115-125 pitches and still had great velocity/command. If things start to go wrong, go ahead and bring in Batista, but I don't want to see Shoey in this game.

Magpie - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:12 PM EDT (#114387) #
Pitch counts are only a guideline.

Also working in Doc's favour is the quick pace of the game. We're just now hitting the two hour mark. If this had taken forty minutes longer than it has, maybe you go to the pen. But not yet.

Terran - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#114388) #
"I don't think so. A healthy Halladay is/will be replacing all those injured Halladay/Justin Miller starts. Having an Ace like Halladay stops those losing streaks and keeps the winning ones going. It is priceless."

At the same time, part of the reason (possibly) why Halladay had such a bad 2004 is because he hit a wall after being over worked in 2002 and 2003.
Stellers Jay - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:14 PM EDT (#114389) #
I bet the Dude is going to get a fastball in ribs in his next meeting with Mr. Johnson when he sees the replay of the fist pump rounding first after the homerun.
Terran - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:14 PM EDT (#114390) #
Halladay is getting his chance...
greenfrog - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:14 PM EDT (#114391) #
Doc's gotta finish this one. He's pitched a tremendous game.
Magpie - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:15 PM EDT (#114392) #
Meanwhile in Texas, Chan Ho Park (yes!) had faced the minimum (11) hitters with two outs in the 4th when he suddenly lost track of the strike zone - walk, walk, two run triple by Millar, walk - before he struck out Mueller and righted the ship. Red Sox behind Wakefield up 2-1 in the 4th.
King Ryan - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:15 PM EDT (#114393) #
God, imagine trying to focus with that kind of noise in the building. Halladay is the man. Woo!! Sheff is caught looking on a sick curveball.
unclejim - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#114394) #
Oh... superb pitch to Sheffield... words fail me.
Elijah - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#114395) #
Way to go, Doc! Good start to what's going to be a tough series.
Terran - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#114396) #
Nice win ^_^ I think this is our first winning April since 2002.
Magpie - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:18 PM EDT (#114397) #
Was that cool or what?

I don't expect to see the Unit drill the Dude next time around. RJ understands the effect he has on left-handed hitters - a foul ball is often a moral victory - and isn't likely to hold it against him.

Coach - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:19 PM EDT (#114398) #
Far more exhausting than 130 evenly-spaced pitches is one 15-minute, "Murphy's Law" inning with a couple of errors, a walk, a HPB and a seeing-eye single or two. A pitcher can be done in mentally and emotionally when that happens, but the big guy's been on cruise control all evening and could have gone ten innings easily.

What a masterpiece!
Flex - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#114399) #
Since 2001 I think.

What a beautiful game. And Doc made it look so easy in the 9th.
TorontoDan - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#114400) #
What a great game. Halladay was lights out, supurb pitching and D from both sides, and Hinske shocked us all with that HR. Doc's a helluva player.
HollywoodHartman - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:21 PM EDT (#114401) #
Pitches-strikes - R Halladay 108-70; R Johnson 108-70.

Thats amazing, anybody wanna check last time both pitchers pitched complete games, with identical pitch counts (including strikes)
Mike D - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:22 PM EDT (#114402) #
Doc had everything working. Sometimes he spotted his pitches with pinpoint location, knowing the batters' weaknesses and tendencies.

And sometimes he just relied on pure stuff, daring the Yankees to hang in and hit pitches in the strike zone but with tremendous movement.

Amazing!
Gerry - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:23 PM EDT (#114403) #
A wonderful game to watch. Halladay was masterfull. One mistake by RJ was the difference.
Useless Tyler - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:24 PM EDT (#114404) #
According to Gameday, it's Halladay 115-75, Johnson 109-71
JayWay - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:25 PM EDT (#114405) #
Halladay's last three wins have all come in the home ballpark of three of the AL's best hitting teams - two of which were complete games, one of which was a shut out.

Is there anyone better when he's on his game?



King Ryan - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:25 PM EDT (#114406) #
At the same time, part of the reason (possibly) why Halladay had such a bad 2004 is because he hit a wall after being over worked in 2002 and 2003.

I'm not sure about this. Yes, Halladay pitched a ton of innings, but the reason he was able to do so is because he is so efficient. He only threw like 100 pitches each game. Remember that game where he went 10 and threw 99 pitches?

And, sorry if this lacks professionalism, but:

WOOO-HOOO!

Game of the year so far. At least, out of all the games I've seen.

greenfrog - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:26 PM EDT (#114407) #
I'm really proud of Halladay, especially after all his struggles last year. Amazing game.
Useless Tyler - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#114408) #
And Rios goes 2 for 3, now batting .333

But apparently since he didn't hit a homerun we have to send him to Syracuse.
HollywoodHartman - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#114409) #
Does anybody know anything bout this Wang fella pitching tomorrow?
King Ryan - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#114410) #
But apparently since he didn't hit a homerun we have to send him to Syracuse.

Don't exaggerate. Nobody ever said that.

VBF - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#114411) #
Well, I believe he won the Yankee organizational pitcher of the year award last year when he posted an 11-5 record in AA/AAA.

He went 3-0 for the Yankees in Spring Training as well.
Chuck - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#114412) #
I don't expect to see the Unit drill the Dude next time around. RJ understands the effect he has on left-handed hitters - a foul ball is often a moral victory - and isn't likely to hold it against him.

And save for the homerun swing, Hinske was a deer in the headlights all night. Full credit to Hinske for the tater, but it was Johnson's own mistake that led to it.

tomofcda - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:35 PM EDT (#114413) #
I'm so haapy to have listened to this gem of a game. Any other April, I'd have been watching playoff hockey -- likely LA/Phoenix or some crap on ESPN. But I was here and was handsomely rewarded.
Flex - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:36 PM EDT (#114414) #
I'm glad for Hinske. He's taken a lot of grief the past couple of years. I loved the pure joy of his reaction to the HR.
VBF - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#114415) #
Sorry, that should be "organizational minor league pitcher of the year".

And Tyler was sarcastically referencing to me. I told him of the possibility that Rios was going down when I saw it mentioned in a Jeff Blair article :)
Rob - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#114416) #
I really didn't think Hinske would hit one out there -- he looked bad on a number of swings earlier. Like everyone else here, I was yelling "DUDE" at my TV during the homerun.

You know, if The Dude doesn't hit that one out, we're still watching these guys pitch.

Terran - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:39 PM EDT (#114417) #
In 4 starts so far this year in AAA, Wang has been 2-0 with a 4.15 ERA.

His career minor league stats: http://www.sports-wired.com/profiles/WA/tbc7386.asp
Useless Tyler - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:42 PM EDT (#114418) #
And Tyler was sarcastically referencing to me. I told him of the possibility that Rios was going down when I saw it mentioned in a Jeff Blair article :)

Quite so, old chap.
Jordan - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:46 PM EDT (#114419) #
Doc was unflappable. On his second strikeout of A-Rod, he threw 6 strikes -- three of them were called balls by the umpire. I thought his last game against Texas was the best I'd ever seen Halladay pitch, but he topped in tonight. You cannot, can not overestimate the impact of having an ace in your rotation.

Rios stung the ball every trip, and even better, he pulled one pitch for a single and lined two others into centerfield. If he's finally gaining the confidence to attack the ball with authority, we could be watching something special unfolding here. You're going to see him batting 5th pretty soon at this rate.

One minor gripe only: asking players to do things at the plate they're not capable of doing is giving away outs. In 707 career games, Gregg Zaun has exactly 10 sacrifice bunts. He's clearly not good at it, and his popout in the 9th with two on and nobody out was entirely predictable. I know they were trying to avoid the double play, but it would still have been better to let him swing away.

The pitching matchups tomorrow and Sunday seemingly favour Toronto. Four in a row, keep it going.
greenfrog - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:49 PM EDT (#114420) #
On many levels, this was a great game--Halladay's fantastic performance, superb defense, Hinske's clutch home run. But I have to admit I was annoyed by some of the Jays' mistakes: Hillenbrand dropping Zaun's throw, Zaun failing to bunt, Rios getting picked off. For the last few years, the Jays' execution has been inconsistent at best (and often terrible). These plays could easily have been game-breakers for the Jays.

Gerry - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#114421) #
Wang is the #9 Yankee prospect. He has a straight fastball at 92-95, with a splitter and slider. He has good stuff but lefties hit him well.
Flex - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:56 PM EDT (#114422) #
In the litany of complaints I don't see any mention of Wells' noodle bat. I find that interesting. He's the big righty against the big lefty, and he does nothing. But no one mentions it. Yet Hinske, who hit the game winning homer, gets criticized. I don't get it.
Rob - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 09:57 PM EDT (#114423) #
Oh, and I knew Sheffield was going to strike out in the ninth when the ball was halfway to the plate. It was either going to be a called third strike or Shef was going to swing wildly and miss. It was just that kind of night for Roy Halladay.

Tonight's game was the best pitched game by any pitcher so far in 2005. Without question.
Coach - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 10:00 PM EDT (#114424) #
What a difference a superstar like Halladay makes -- everyone else on his team plays a little more relaxed, with a little more confidence. Remove him from the equation and it's only natural that people start "trying too hard" to make up for his absence. That's how a Season From Hell unravels.

If Doc hadn't been feeling sick vs. Baltimore, he'd be 5-0 now, and the Jays wouldn't have had that five-game losing streak. I knew something was wrong that game, as he didn't have his stuff or his command. But he was awesome again tonight, and his teammates are as thrilled as we are.

Despite greenfrog's concern about their imperfections, this is a pretty nice club right now -- even without Wells and Koskie hitting. Those two figure to pick up the offensive slack when Hillenbrand and Zaun inevitably return to earth. It's been fun to watch them carry the offence, though, with some timely help from the Dude. Shea would have been a deserving AL Player of the Month, except for the incredible heroics of Brian Roberts. Remember that Zaun, admittedly no Juan Pierre as a bunter, does a lot of things well every night that don't show in a boxscore.
Donkit R.K. - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 10:07 PM EDT (#114425) #
Anybody know the exact formula for game score (or, better yet, Halladay and RJ's game scores tonight)?
Petey Baseball - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 10:09 PM EDT (#114429) #
Helluva game boys.

And would it be too much to ask for the Jays to rough up a young Yankee farmhand tommorow? Lord knows how many times the last 9 years the Jays have been just plain beaten by the Yanks on a weekend set and swept out of the water, often with the feeling that there was no way in hell the Jays could ever play with these guys. So lets get greedy and be ready to play from the first pitch, knock around the major league debut (Wong) and get our 5th straight!

Vernon Wells will come around. I know its concerning and frustrating to see this guy scuffling but its obvious he's going to start hitting the ball hard and I think, still have a great season.

Unfortunatley its only a matter of time before the Yankees get rolling too. Hopefully somehow, they can crap the bed so bad here in the near future and The Boss will do something really stupid to kill the season.

Stellers Jay - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#114430) #
Flex, I don't think anybody was criticizing Hinske tonight. If you were referring to my comment about him getting hit in the ribs next time he faces Johnson, I wasn't criticizing the Dude at all. He was full marks for his game winning homerun. I was just referring to the fact that big name pitchers usually don't let outward signs of expression go unpunished. Hell if I was Hinske, I probably would have done a cartwheel rounding first base. A big part of Johnson's game is intimidation especially to left handed batters (ask Larry Walker).
Paul S - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#114431) #
Since I looked it up last night to make him in MVP: Wang throws fastball-slider-split-change. Hits the low 90's but can dial it up to the mid 90's.
Petey Baseball - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 10:12 PM EDT (#114432) #
Although I just now remember the '03 Jays sweeping the Yanks 4 straight in mid May and catapulting into 2nd place, and thinking the Jays were really the real deal the Yanks were going down.
Flex - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 10:15 PM EDT (#114433) #
Nope, Stellars Jay, wasn't you.
King Ryan - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 10:16 PM EDT (#114434) #
Game scores from tonight:

Johnson: 71
Halladay: 89 (highest so far in the AL this year.)

I'm still feeling the adrenaline from this win. I can't imagine how Halladay or Hinske would feel. :-D
Flex - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 10:16 PM EDT (#114435) #
Sorry, Stellers.
Gerry - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 10:17 PM EDT (#114436) #
Game Score

Start with 50
minus 2 for each hit -6, 44
No runs allowed 44
one walk -1, 43
Nine K's +9, 52
27 outs, =27, 79
Five innings after the fourth +5*2=10, 89

89 for DOC

RJ
50 - 7*2 - 2 earned runs*4 - 3 walks + 9 K's + 27 outs + 10 IP = 71 points.

71 for RJ

Rob - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 10:26 PM EDT (#114439) #
One last thought: Who else expected, after the games of April 29, that Shea Hillenbrand's batting average would be exactly double that of Vernon Wells?
greenfrog - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 10:34 PM EDT (#114441) #
Coach, don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled about the resurgent Jays and the outcome of tonight's game. My point is that if we're going to become a championship team, we need to get the fundamentals right, which means advancing runners, taking the extra base, working pitch counts, etc. When your ace pitches a complete game shutout and you have the benefit of a two-run home run, these issues aren't as obvious. But sooner or later they catch up to you.
Terran - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 10:34 PM EDT (#114442) #
"One last thought: Who else expected, after the games of April 29, that Shea Hillenbrand's batting average would be exactly double that of Vernon Wells? "

Not double, but keep in mind Vernon Wells is no Mr. April. Not including today Vernon Wells' career average during April is .225 (89-396)
westcoast dude - Friday, April 29 2005 @ 10:36 PM EDT (#114443) #
Sometimes there is a line of poetry in the box.
Tonight was that magic night:

2B: Johnson (2, Johnson)
BrockLanders - Saturday, April 30 2005 @ 12:09 AM EDT (#114444) #
Just came back from the Bronx. I am very satisfied after seeing dejected yankees fans walking down the ramp, repeatedly say "Three goddamn hits?!?" Doc aided by the brillant glovework of O-Dogg made it to the 5th 0-0 and then took over the game. In the later innings, you could see the yankee hitters' knees buckle when the "1 to 7" curveball would dart down for a strike three. Doc really dominated the last 4 innings of the game. And lastly, lets not forget about the timely resurgence of the Dude, since the two previous at-bats he was clearly overmatched, but he shortened up a bit and muscled an 0-2 slider over the right field wall. A big win..........
H Winfield Teut - Saturday, April 30 2005 @ 12:32 AM EDT (#114445) #
I know it flies in the face of the thinking of a corner Fielder HAS to have power, but if Rios' numbers are acceptable as a centerfielder, and Wells is supposed to hit for power, cant we just realize the projections are off, and let Wells get the complaints, he is the team leader, he is the one everyone looks to, when I was in Florida it was as if everyone looked at Wells as the Grand pooba.
adore50000 - Saturday, April 30 2005 @ 01:01 AM EDT (#114447) #
This is my first post since becoming a member. It brings such warmth to my heart to know that there are others that bleed Blue like you out there. I can't skate, don't give a darn about the Leafers.....just baseball, baseball, baseball....specifically, our Toronto Blue Jays.

I first heard about Batter's Box from one of the many baseball sites I read daily for hours upon end (mlb.com, ESPN.com, Si.com, FOXSports.com, etc). It was in response to a poll as to which team each columnist would like to see contracted, and our boys were marked on more than one staffer's draft. To no surprise, the writers in question were amazed at such a loyal fanbase. For this, I thank you.

As for tonight's game, I picked up an extra shift at work tonight, so I could only periodically check in. My coworker Johnny Good Times finally informed me of Doc's CG, 3-hit affair. To which I answered, "Did he get the shutout?"

I missed a great one. One of Doc's all-time 5 greatest games (the Detroit one-hitter and 10-inning CG come to mind). This was a piece of sheer beauty.
Craig B - Saturday, April 30 2005 @ 01:20 AM EDT (#114449) #
cant we just realize the projections are off, and let Wells get the complaints, he is the team leader, he is the one everyone looks to

NO COMPLAINING AFTER THE SHUTOUT VICTORY OVER THE YANKEES.

Magpie - Saturday, April 30 2005 @ 01:31 AM EDT (#114451) #
NO COMPLAINING...

Hear hear! Welcome aboard, adore 50000. First post mojo, you picked a good night. And a little respect for TorontoDan, who called Rios' two hits.

Craig B - Saturday, April 30 2005 @ 01:41 AM EDT (#114453) #
Wild Card Standings

            W   L   GB
Minnesota  14   8   --
Toronto    13  11   2
Seattle    12  11   2.5
Detroit    11  10   2.5
Texas      12  12   3
Boston     11  11   3
Oakland    11  12   3.5
Cleveland   9  13   5
Yankees     9  14   5.5

uglyone - Saturday, April 30 2005 @ 03:38 AM EDT (#114456) #
what an unbelievable game.

In my drunken, short term memory state, I'd have to say that that's the best April game I've ever seen. ever.

This team is really starting to get me excited.
Rob - Saturday, April 30 2005 @ 11:03 AM EDT (#114463) #
Not double, but keep in mind Vernon Wells is no Mr. April.

Yes, it is double. Wells is at .198. Hillenbrand has .396.

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