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So, about eighty million men left on base, that's not pretty, but at the same time it was a close game and came down to the final at-bat.

There are a few things I want to talk about:

1) A-Rod. I thought earlier this week that Alex Rodriguez had been handed the plot to his inevitable cheesy Hollywood bio-pic: if I was a screenwriter given the task of writing The A-Rod Story, I would do my damnedest to hang the story around A-Rod saving the kid in Boston.

Off the top of my head, here's how it would go: young A-Rod is discovered playing high school ball with his friend, Derek Jeter. Both make the big leagues. A-Rod is jealous of Jeter's success. His heart blackens, and in an attempt to one-up his friend, he demands and receives the richest contract in the history of the game. When Jeter isn't impressed, A-Rod turns on him in the press. The money doesn't fill the empty hole in his soul, so A-Rod begins to seek World Series glory, a path that leads him to the New York Yankees and his former friend. They fail, together, and everything looks its bleakest, and then one day A-Rod saves that kid in Boston and realizes the true meaning of Christmas or whatever, and vows to become a better person. He makes amends with Jeter, they win some ballgames and he goes to the Hall of Fame. The end.

Except it doesn't appear to be going down that way -- the pre-kid-saving blackhearted A-Rod was in full effect against the Jays last night. If it wasn't the ridiculous argument with the umpire after he ran way outside of the baseline (which, in my opinion, made him look like the biggest fancy lady on a team of fancy ladies), it was the comically A-Rod-sized bag of ice applied to his tiny little nosebleed. It was bigger than his head! Nothing appears to have changed since the girly-slap last fall, and that's a real shame, because the screenplay has potential.

2) Shea Hillenbrand. Okay, I'll admit it: the NFH challenge to Robert Dudek was not out of any kind of loyalty to or love for Shea Hillenbrand. Before he was acquired by the Jays this summer I can't even remember hearing his name. To be quite honest, I felt bad for this poor guy who was being beat up by virtually everyone who posted, and I decided to stick up for him. So I'm not some kind of genius or seer or genuine baseball analyst (heck, I didn't even have the smarts to pick him up in the late rounds of my fantasy draft, and I really could use him right now). But the performance he's put up so far (which, as Moffatt and Dudek are sure to point out, will not last) has been great. As someone who knew nothing about him before, I'm really happy to see him on the Jays. He'll have to go through one hell of a slump to change my mind on that.

3) I shouldn't watch Yankees games around impressionable young children. Wednesday night I was watching the game on TV with baby Theo and the two children of some of our friends, a five year old girl and a two year old boy. When Sheffield stepped in front of Zaun, I said "That's garbage, just garbage." The little girl asked me why I said that, and I explained that the Yankees were a team of mean, rich cheaters. She was horrified that the umpire hadn't seen Sheff's interference and that Sheff hadn't owned up to it.

I'm sure I'll be getting questions from her dad about where she learned these not entirely true things about the Yankees. He asked me the other day how his daughter knew which hats were the old Blue Jays hats and which were the new ones, so we know that the information I supply is being absorbed.

4) The broadcast. Nice work, Sportsnet: looked great, as usual, and the sound was significantly better. I could pick out individual hecklers, which was fun, and there was a real sense of the size and volume of the crowd. Last year, the games frequently sounded like they were recorded through a vacuum cleaner hose, but this was clean, clear and wonderful. Killer work, guys.

5) Cheer Club. With baby Theo, I'm semi-retired from Cheer Club. I'll still be coming to games, but we learned very quickly that while Theo has no problem with the general loudness of a baseball stadium, he really hates it when daddy yells. However, Mrs. Hank and baby Theo are off at some Grandma-mom-child event that I'm not invited to on Saturday, so I'm coming out to the game in full, old-school Cheer Club form. I also will be carrying the World's Best Throat Lozenges, for those who want to try to match me in lung power and overextend themselves.

By an astounding coincidence, this weekend is the weekend that Jobu wanted to arrange for a big Cheer Club outing. So, who's coming out?
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Dunny - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 09:20 AM EDT (#113225) #
That one hurt last night...

I love Greg Zaun, but that pop up may have been the end to any 'Magic' this team had going...

Oh well today is another day!

Marc Hulet - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 09:26 AM EDT (#113226) #
As someone who also vehemently defended the Hillenbrand acqusition, Hank, I too am happy to see that he has played so well. In fact, he's carrying the team offensively right now. I think he's one of those players that you really have to watch to appreciate.
MatO - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 09:28 AM EDT (#113227) #
Other than the LOB a couple of other plays that haven't gotten much attention also cost the Jays. On the first Yankee run, if McDonald makes a decent cut-off throw to Hinske then Sheffield is a dead-duck between 2nd and 3rd and the Yankees only score one run. As it happened it was a poor throw that Hinske lunged at but only got a piece of the ball allowing Sheffield to get to third. Later in the game with the bases loaded, Posada completely misses a pitch which bounced off the backstop right back to him not allowing Rios to score the tying run. If Posada had gotten a bigger piece of the ball it probably would have died at the backstop thus tying the game.
Named For Hank - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 09:37 AM EDT (#113230) #
Well, Dunny, if Gregg Zaun is the key to the magic and he didn't have any yesterday (and I don't agree that one lousy at-bat signals the end of anything), you'll be relieved to know that he's making an appearance in the Photo of the Day, probably on Monday, though I'll move it today if enough people think it's important.
Pistol - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 09:49 AM EDT (#113232) #
You don't need to watch a player to appreciate him when he's hitting .400.

Right now Hillenbrand is at .406/.446/.580. When he gets off his hot streak and settles into a .300 average you're looking at something like .300/.340/.475 which is nothing special from a 1B/DH spot.

NYJaysFan36 - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 09:49 AM EDT (#113233) #
Aaron,

Even though Zaun is my favorite Jay, he had a rough one at the dish last night. His first inning hit wasn't a hit at all (Sanchez should have been charged with an error). His double was vintage left-handed Zaun, but he struck out with runners on 1st and 3rd and nobody out in the 5th, and, of course, the pop-up in the 6th (which admittedly, I didn't see because I was going between computer and TV so I don't know exactly what happened).
Anyway, please send the magic!

-Bob
Four Seamer - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 09:51 AM EDT (#113234) #
A few random notes from my vantage point in Section 528 last night:

1. Chacin is maddening to watch - does he ever take his time out there, especially with runners on base. He was impressive the first time through the order, but either his control started to desert him or the Yanks picked up on his delivery the next couple of times through, and the game slowed to a crawl.

2. It appears my fears that Murray Eldon's replacement would be WILD AND CRAZY were hugely misplaced. Tim Langdon barely speaks above a whisper - he sounds like he'd rather be reading some beat poetry as an opening act for Joan Baez than at a baseball game. I kind of like him, although it pains me that I no longer get to hear Murray.

3. Some of the Yankee fans in the 500 level would do well to read Jordan's lectures yesterday regarding the dangers of referring to their favourite team as "we". What a crew!
papa - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 10:05 AM EDT (#113235) #
as illustrated by this game, I keep wondering when this team will actually be built to try and win. Case in point, Rios versus Rivera in the ninth. Who else saw the weak grounder to the rightside before it happened. The options were limited by that time (Menechino or Myers), but that is more due to the roster makeup as anything. This devotion to a twelve-man pitching staff, when the apparent best option for the twelfth is Matt Whiteside, is just plain silly. Another bat please!
Named For Hank - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 10:22 AM EDT (#113237) #
Story's been updated with some Cheer Club information.

From last night's game thread:

Gerry - Thursday, April 21 2005 @ 10:32 PM EDT (#113189)

First pitch to Rios was outside
Joe Torre runs out to tell Rivera the scouting report
Next three pitches are inside corner

1. Good scouting
2. Rios, whose best hitting is to right, will have to adjust to being pitched inside

Whiteside is a placeholder. I don't think that anyone is pretending that he's here for any other reason. But if Whiteside were in the minors and another outfielder were up, would they be seeing any playing time? Right now, Rios looks like a good piece for the future of the team, so if he needs to make an adjustment, the team needs to let him.

Dunny - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 10:37 AM EDT (#113238) #
Greg is the man, I'm happy to have him on this team
it's just that one pitch at bats resulting in a pop up are
fairly frustrating, especially within the context of that game.

Let's see the photo today, Greg doesn't need help against Tampa :)
Wildrose - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 10:52 AM EDT (#113240) #
I noticed last night Chacin was cruising along until he had runners on base. When this happened he had to start pitching from the stretch, this seems to give him some difficulty. He has to abandon his little cha-cha, two step hitch in his throwing motion and generally it takes him awhile to get his touch back in these situations.
Named For Hank - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 10:53 AM EDT (#113241) #
Right-o, Zaun it is. Unless someone wants to cast a vote for Rios.
Spartan - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 11:06 AM EDT (#113243) #
Rios is the future not Zaun. RSN showed a stat of him having the 7th longest homerless drought in the majors at 290, I think it was. He did hit 3 in the spring which is a good sign, but a homerun in this series would go a long way to rest my nerves as he is my favourite big league Blue Jay.

So I vote to send some magic to Rios. Besides Zaun had two hits and is hitting like .330.
Named For Hank - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 11:24 AM EDT (#113245) #
That's two votes Zaun, one vote Rios.

I feel a little like Jeff Probst.
Dr. Zarco - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 11:28 AM EDT (#113246) #
Rios is my vote, as he's on my fantasy team, and I've been waiting for his 2nd career HR since that night back in Tampa last year.
Mick Doherty - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 11:39 AM EDT (#113247) #
I'd like to vote for either Rance Mulliniks or Dave Lemanczyk.
Named For Hank - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 11:55 AM EDT (#113249) #
Mick, if they didn't play on April 9th, 2005 at the Rogers Centre, I don't have them. ;)

However, you can request Red Sox, especially David Wells. And I have a great pair of images of Roy Halladay giving the stare from the mound and David Ortiz in the batter's box giving the stare right back. I'll have to put them up on back-to-back days.
NYJaysFan36 - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 11:59 AM EDT (#113250) #
I could go for a Lemanczyk as well. He's the 5th starter on my 1979 Jays in the Golden Age of Baseball Simulation league (OOTP5). http://www.goldenageofbaseball.com/
papa - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 12:09 PM EDT (#113251) #
... Whiteside is a placeholder... for what? You don't lose it if you don't use it. And would an extra hitter be getting any playing time... well, hopefully in exactly those situations like last night when it should be obvious by now to everyone that Rios vs. Rivera in that situation is not a good matchup. Rios may well be the future, but he's shown precious little so far and for my money (figuratively speaking), if he is the future, he should be the one at Syracuse instead of Gross or Crozier getting the developmental playing time.
Rich - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 12:11 PM EDT (#113252) #
.300/.340/.475 which is nothing special from a 1B/DH spot

Yes and no. It looks pretty damned good compared to this: .233/.316/.377 (that's the 2004 total DH line for you). If Hillenbrand puts up the line you suggest or fetches a prospect at the deadline (Adam Peterson where art thou? A Detroit minor leaguer now, is it?), then we'd all be hard-pressed to complain, unless of course, you think summer is too hot, ice cream is too cold, and Doc's hook breaks just too darned much.

Named For Hank - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 12:17 PM EDT (#113253) #
So, papa, with your plan, when does Rios get to find out if he can start making adjustments against major league pitching?
Chuck - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 12:22 PM EDT (#113254) #
If Hillenbrand puts up the line you suggest or fetches a prospect at the deadline (Adam Peterson where art thou? A Detroit minor leaguer now, is it?)

Arizona moved Hillenbrand to dump salary, not necessarily to get anything useful in return. When Toronto traded for him, that was basically the equivalent of signing him as a one-year FA. If he regresses to 300/340/475, he'll be being paid about $4M to be a league average 1B/DH. Neither a steal nor highway robbery.

There's no disputing that Hillenbrand can help this team this year. I just wouldn't want him to be part of any longer team plans beyond this season.

Rich - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 12:37 PM EDT (#113255) #
There's no disputing that Hillenbrand can help this team this year. I just wouldn't want him to be part of any longer team plans beyond this season.

I agree completely. The hypothetical .300/.340/.475 line that was thrown out is both an upgrade over what the team had last year and an improvement over a league average DH line. Last year's 7th and 8th place OPS finishers at DH (as a total team) posted these lines: .247/.340/.438 and .253/.335/.441. It seems to me that some people will think one year of Hillenbrand is a disaster no matter what he does.

papa - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 12:51 PM EDT (#113256) #
"So, papa, with your plan, when does Rios get to find out if he can start making adjustments against major league pitching?"

anytime during the last year of his major league career should have been fine...

what would be served by Rios being in Syracuse is the same thing argued for the prospects already there. Learn the craft to a sufficient level in a situation when a major league game is not on the line.

look, my argument is not really that Rios should be in the minors right now (although I think that should be the case), it's just that the roster is misaligned, with no apparent benefit to its current makeup.

Granted that at a certain point in a game, with a finite roster, all options are going to be spent and you have to play with what's left. But really, what is the benefit to having a twelfth pitcher, especially when it's Whiteside.

This team needs bullets, not placeholders. In a season, how many more outcomes could be influenced by an extra hitter than a twelfth pitcher (again, Whiteside).

The Yankees can for the most part get away with a nothing bench and twelve pitchers. The Jays should know that they can't afford that setup.
R Billie - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 01:09 PM EDT (#113257) #
Rios was actually a good matchup for Rivera. I would rather have a contact hitting righthanded bat up than anyone else in that situation. He grounded out weakly because he wasn't disciplined. Despite being ahead in the count Rios swung at a pitch running up and in on him which he tried to inside out but it was so high and far in on his hands I was amazed the ball even made it to the second baseman.

His weakness is inside right now, he just has a lot of trouble getting around on hard stuff inside or hitting it solidly with an inside out swing. So Torre basically told Rivera to bust him inside and eventually Rios got himself out.

People can complain about the left-on-base numbers but when you have a singles/doubles offence though these are the nights you have to live with. I mean they had 13 hits last night which you have to expect is pretty good for this team. The issue is a mistake to the Jays lineup might end up in the outfield, usually for a single. A mistake to the Yankees or Red Sox often ends up out of the park or off the wall. It's pretty hard to compete offensively when the opposing team does not have to get as many hits as you to score runs.

4 hits in the 4th and 5th innings and the Yankees put up 4 runs. It's frustrating to watch your own team have to work so hard or get so lucky just to stay in games. Not that I don't appreciate the entertainment of watching the Jays fall just short or get just enough in a close game. But I'd much rather see the Jays win a number of laughers as well.
papa - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 01:12 PM EDT (#113258) #
"So, papa, with your plan, when does Rios get to find out if he can start making adjustments against major league pitching?"

anytime during the last year of his major league career should have been fine...

what would be served by Rios being in Syracuse is the same thing argued for the prospects already there. Learn the craft to a sufficient level in a situation when a major league game is not on the line.

look, my argument is not really that Rios should be in the minors right now (although I think that should be the case), it's just that the roster is misaligned, with no apparent benefit to its current makeup.

Granted that at a certain point in a game, with a finite roster, all options are going to be spent and you have to play with what's left. But really, what is the benefit to having a twelfth pitcher, especially when it's Whiteside.

This team needs bullets, not placeholders. In a season, how many more outcomes could be influenced by an extra hitter than a twelfth pitcher (again, Whiteside).

The Yankees can for the most part get away with a nothing bench and twelve pitchers. The Jays should know that they can't afford that setup.
Chuck - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 01:18 PM EDT (#113259) #
Rios was actually a good matchup for Rivera. I would rather have a contact hitting righthanded bat up than anyone else in that situation.

Agreed.

The bulk of Rio's offensive value (such as it is) is his ability to hit singles (not hit for power, not draw walks). All they really needed in that situation was a singles hitter to hit a single.

Further, Rivera has historically shown reverse platoon splits, being weaker against RHB than LHB (the nature of his cutter makes more him more effective vs LHB, so much so that you sometimes see switch-hitters electing to bat RH against him). So the fact that Rios is a RHB was actually a plus.

Chuck - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 01:19 PM EDT (#113260) #
Rio's

Ugh. Make that Rios'.

Pepper Moffatt - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 02:00 PM EDT (#113265) #
But with the performance he's put up so far (which, as Moffatt and Dudek are sure to point out, will not last) has been great.

His performance has been great and a ton of fun to watch. The main problem is that most of his value to the team has been from hitting .406. Unless he recently got injected with some of Teddy Ballgame's genes, I think it's pretty safe to say that it won't last. :)

nicton - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 03:07 PM EDT (#113266) #
Does any one on the team really draw walks?? Wells, Rios and Hudson each have 2 walks. Is it tooo small of a sample size or is this the type of players they are??
VBF - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 03:09 PM EDT (#113267) #
By an astounding coincidence, this weekend is the weekend that Jobu wanted to arrange for a big Cheer Club outing. So, who's coming out?

I'm off to 518 right now and I've managed to scrounge around for some cowbells as well. Koskie jersey, Jays cap.

TorontoDan - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 03:12 PM EDT (#113268) #
Crikey you have to leave early to get here in time. I feel for you man. It'll be great to have the bells going, hopefully I can borrow one, and hopefully we can get a good showing of people tonight!
Pepper Moffatt - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 03:21 PM EDT (#113269) #
Does any one on the team really draw walks?? Wells, Rios and Hudson each have 2 walks. Is it tooo small of a sample size or is this the type of players they are??

Here's the stats from last year:

Player	AB	BB	BB/AB%
F-Men	236	36	15.25%
Delgado	458	69	15.07%
Gross	129	19	14.73%
Zaun	338	47	13.91%
Howie	115	13	11.30%
O-Dog	489	51	10.43%
Wells	536	51	9.51%
Hinske	570	54	9.47%
Gomez	341	28	8.21%
Rios	426	31	7.28%
Adams	72	5	6.94%
Cat	249	17	6.83%
Woody	213	14	6.57%
Phelps	295	18	6.10%
Cash	181	10	5.52%
Reed	537	28	5.21%
Berg	154	4	2.60%
There are some sample size issues here, but the only full-time player who walked a ton was Delgado. Still, the O-Dog and Wells got their fair share of walks.
Dr. Zarco - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 03:25 PM EDT (#113270) #

There's no disputing that Hillenbrand can help this team this year. I just wouldn't want him to be part of any longer team plans beyond this season.

I don't get this thinking. The Jays are mostly heavy in minors in pitching, not .300 hitting. Who will replace him? And will they produce the way he did? Many assume Hillenbrand will tank and end up hitting .280/.320, but if he stays a consistent hitter--as I think he's always been--and finishes the year at .320/.360, why is he just a one year stopgap? He can play 1st and 3rd, and will DH a lot. Is he blocking Aaron Hill? I hope he's around longer than July 31 or this coming offseason.

nicton - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#113271) #
Thanks...
Mike D - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 04:00 PM EDT (#113272) #
From phenom to infamous: Grant Roberts tests positive.
Chuck - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 04:29 PM EDT (#113274) #
I hope he's around longer than July 31 or this coming offseason.

His career line is 288/322/448. He'll turn 30 this July. He has never been noted for his defense. All of these are reasons enough to seriously consider alternatives for 2006.

If he can hit for a high enough average and whack a few doubles, he can help you. But aside from being the Shea Hay Kid every April, the total package is less than it appears.

Mick Doherty - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 04:36 PM EDT (#113276) #
If the Jays can turn Hillenbrand into someone like John Smoltz (for Doyle Alexander) or Scott Kazmir (for Victor Zambrano) as other teams have done at the deadline, I don't care if he's hitting .406 ON July 31. You make the deal!
nicton - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 04:44 PM EDT (#113277) #
Who is going to need a Shea Hillenbrand type player at the deadline?? The teams with great prospects probably won't be in contention. The teams in contention probably don't have great prospects...
Thomas - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 05:48 PM EDT (#113282) #
The teams in contention probably don't have great prospects...

Would this be the A's, Braves, Twins, Angels or Dodgers you're talking about? Because those are five of the best farm systems in the game.

I agree it's unlikely we'll get Smoltz or Kasmir at the deadline. But any useful part helps.

Plus, if someone had told me last June that Victor Zambrano would fetch Scott Kazmir I would have laughed until my sides hurt.

BCMike - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 05:50 PM EDT (#113283) #

The teams with great prospects probably won't be in contention. The teams in contention probably don't have great prospects...

There seem to be plenty of veteran for prospect deals every year near the deadline, I don't see how this year is any different.

Whether Hillenbrand can fetch anything is a diffrent matter.

Magpie - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 06:02 PM EDT (#113285) #
Who is going to need a Shea Hillenbrand type player at the deadline??

You have to wait and see who gets injured between now and then. I don't think the Cubs thought they were going to need a shortstop. But they do.

Mick Doherty - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 06:06 PM EDT (#113286) #
Hot Sports Opinion/Wild Prediction ...

The Cubs SS during their 2005 pennant drive will be ... Barry Larkin!
nicton - Friday, April 22 2005 @ 06:54 PM EDT (#113290) #
If you want to sell me on a great prospect for Ted Lilly at the deadline I'll buy it. The Twins, Angels or Braves' trading for Hillenbrand I won't buy. The Angels can't find a spot for Kotchman. Dodgers or A's maybe because of the GMs...
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