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I've always thought that predicting an individual player's performance was next to impossible: there are just too many factors to consider, one of which is just plain luck. But, just for fun, I thought I'd make two predictions for each Blue Jay hitter and starting pitcher likely to make the team in 2005. The first prediction will be wildly optimistic, the second wildly pessimistic.



Let's start with the hitting, and let's get the gloomy stuff out of the way first. Here is the pessimistic forecast for the Blue Jays' offense in 2005. I tried to get the games to add up, but I didn't try too hard, as this is not a serious forecasting exercise.

Player        G  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI  AVG SB CS  BB  SO
Hinske      154 558  57 122 19  2 11  47 .219  8 12  49 116
Hudson      111 406  49  99 20  4  7  33 .244  6 10  31  89
Adams       128 434  40  89 13  3  6  37 .204  3  5  30  51
Koskie      110 396  52  93 22  2 13  58 .234  5  7  44  99
Catalanotto  63 210  35  54 15  1  1  24 .257  1  1  16  37
Wells       131 529  72 138 32  2 19  64 .260 11 15  47  89
Rios        106 374  42  98 21  5  2  25 .261 12  7  27  96
Hillenbrand 139 468  52 123 20  2 12  49 .263  3  4  13  61
Johnson     149 540  59 139 19  2  7  48 .258  4  4  24 101
Gross        72 179  17  37  5  0  3  16 .209  2  2  24  34
Zaun        110 305  27  67 14  1  4  37 .220  2  0  26  50
Quiroz       67 224  19  47  7  0  4  22 .211  0  1  13  64
McDonald     92 261  25  51  8  1  1  13 .196  1  2  10  49

I came up with these numbers by assuming that absolutely everybody takes a step back from last season. Koskie, Hudson, and Cat suffer major injuries, and the replacements are not able to step in to do the job. Zaun's numbers were obtained by adding his two seasons with Houston together.

Now, let's move to the sunny side of the street:

Player        G  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI  AVG SB CS  BB  SO
Hinske      151 566  99 158 38  2 24  84 .279 13  1  77 138
Hudson      158 601 108 175 36  9 16  80 .292 21  7  60 103
Adams       157 572  86 175 22  7 12  71 .306 17  6  48  62
Koskie      153 562 100 155 37  2 26 103 .276 19  7  68 118
Catalanotto 133 463  77 153 31  5 11  54 .330 15  5  39  55
Wells       162 684 126 225 51  7 37 123 .329 31  9  60  82
Rios        143 504  73 150 32  9 13  77 .298 27  6  47  94
Hillenbrand 148 562  86 174 36  3 15  80 .310  2  0  24  49
Johnson      71 217  44  64 12  2  6  31 .294  8  2  16  40
Zaun        110 352  51  99 29  0  9  49 .280  0  2  54  64
Quiroz       67 237  30  63 14  0  8  34 .267  0  0  21  48
McDonald     71 101  11  25  9  1  1  10 .250  3  1   9  26

Ahh, that's much nicer. I came up with these numbers using the following methods:

  • For Hinske, Cat, and Koskie, I just used their best seasons in the major leagues as is, except for reducing Corey's stolen base total, as I don't think he'll ever steal 27 bases again.
  • Hillenbrand's figures are just last season's totals with the run and RBI totals increased (since he's now in a better lineup than Arizona's).
  • For Adams, I used his .306 average from last year, and estimated how well he'd do if he continued to hit at that level.
  • McDonald and Johnson are shown as hitting at about the level they reached in their best seasons so far.
  • Everybody else takes a small step forward from their best season to date. Everybody but Zaun is young enough to improve, and Zaun is assumed to be rounding into peak form.

Note that, in the best case scenario, Gross doesn't play at all. This isn't knocking Gross – who, in this scenario, is hitting over .300 with power and speed for Syracuse. He just can't crack this lineup. Also notice that McDonald usually sees action as a defensive replacement, and Johnson is strictly the fourth outfielder.

If you add up the totals, the pessimist Jays score a total of 546 runs, which is 152 runs worse than the worst team in 2004 (Seattle). The optimist Jays, on the other hand, score 891 runs, which is roughly comparable to the 2004 Yankees, and about thirty runs worse than the 2004 Red Sox. (The 2004 Jays scored 719 runs.) With this many runs scored, the team would be projected to win 86 games even with a pitching staff as porous as that of the 2004 Jays.

I should emphasize that, while these optimistic projections are extremely rosy, they're not ludicrous. Each of the players shown is capable of producing these numbers; some already have. It's just very unlikely that all of them will produce at this level.

Now, let's move on to the pitching. First, the worst case scenario. It's pretty ugly. People with sensitive constitutions are requested to avert their eyes.

Pitcher        G GS    IP   H   R  ER  BB  SO   ERA
Halladay      21 21 133.0 140  66  62  39  95  4.20
Lilly         33 33 191.0 221 119 111  96 151  5.82
Bush          33 33 189.0 222 110 104  54 107  4.89
Towers        32 32 163.0 215 118 108  40  77  5.92
Chacin        20 14  93.0 137  72  66  44  37  6.42
Batista       51  2  81.0 106  54  49  51  44  5.45
Suspects         27 134.0 172  91  85  71  77  5.71
Relievers           474.0 527 277 261 203 343  4.96

I got these numbers as follows:

  • Doc's numbers are a repeat of 2004.
  • Bush takes a small step back, and Lilly and Towers take big steps back.
  • Chacin blows up horribly.
  • Batista blows up horribly, is moved to long relief, and makes a couple of desperation starts at the end of the season.
  • "Suspects" lists the starts given to AAA starters. They perform at replacement level or slightly below.
  • "Relievers" lists all of the relievers except Batista. They perform roughly as well as the bullpens of the last couple of years – i.e., badly.

You will note that all of the innings pitched projections are round numbers. That's because I am lazy and didn't want to type 177.3333333333 into my calculator. You have your character flaws, I have mine. However, the innings do add up to a total of 162 * 9, and the starts add up to 162. So there.

Okay, now to the good side of the force:

Pitcher        G GS    IP   H   R  ER  BB  SO   ERA
Halladay      36 36 266.0 253 107  96  32 204  3.25
Lilly         33 33 209.0 182  88  82  78 178  3.54
Bush          33 33 211.0 195  87  80  46 134  3.44
Towers        33 33 179.0 197  93  86  37  82  4.34
Chacin        27 27 166.0 157  87  81  60 112  4.40
Batista       70  0  83.0  68  19  16  34  87  1.71
Relievers           344.0 344 140 131 149 247  3.42

Again, these numbers are optimistic, but not ludicrous:

  • Doc's numbers are just his 2003 numbers repeated.
  • Lilly, Bush and Towers take small steps forward, and stay healthy all year.
  • Chacin is serviceable.
  • Batista becomes dominant as a closer, as Gregg Zaun was correct when he was quoted as saying that Batista's cutter is as good as Mariano Rivera's.
  • "Relievers" includes all relievers except Batista. (I don't particularly want to produce estimates for all six or more of the Jays' bullpen pitchers. As I said earlier, this isn't serious research.)
  • In this scenario, the five starters collectively answer the bell all 162 times, so there's no need for emergency starters.

Totalling these stats, the pessimist Jays allow a whopping 907 runs, and the optimist Jays allow only 621 runs.

To summarize: the worst-case Jays score 546 runs and allow 907, and the best-case Jays score 891 runs and allow 621. If you run Pythagorean projections of these numbers, the Bad Jays wind up with a record of 45-117, which is Tigeriffic. The Good Jays, on the other hand, go 107-55, kicking butt and taking names all the way to the World Series. So that's my prediction: the Jays will win between 45 and 107 games. You can hold me to that.

So what can we conclude from all of this? Not much, but I'll try:

  • The Jays are going to have to have a lot of things break right for them to win. Quite a lot, in fact. But it's not impossible. None of my projections above were silly. It's just extremely unlikely that many of them will happen all at once.
  • Accurate forecasting is difficult, as there are so many variables. Anything could happen this season, and probably will.
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Anders - Wednesday, March 16 2005 @ 05:52 PM EST (#106427) #
Haha thats good.

My favourite parts are the Eric Hinske ones, for a variety of reasons.
Mike Green - Wednesday, March 16 2005 @ 05:54 PM EST (#106428) #
I've got good news, Dave. I used the ZIPS projections for the Jays' offence, and pro-rated the statistics for players who are likely to play part-time. The results will be (a minor) part of my Friday game report. Suffice it to say, that the numbers are closer to the sunny side than the miserable.

If the Jays scored 891 runs this year I would be quite surprised. If they scored 546, I would be astounded.
King Ryan - Wednesday, March 16 2005 @ 06:13 PM EST (#106431) #
Wow. The "Extreme Pessimism team" still wound up with a record better than the 2003 Tigers. That is terrifying.
brels - Wednesday, March 16 2005 @ 06:28 PM EST (#106432) #
I like your breakdown....the 'optimistic' view reminds of what happend two years ago (albeit with a different lineup in many areas). Here's hoping lightning strikes twice.
Jobu - Wednesday, March 16 2005 @ 06:41 PM EST (#106433) #
the Jays will win between 45 and 107 games. You can hold me to that.


Common.... 108.

King Ryan - Wednesday, March 16 2005 @ 06:47 PM EST (#106434) #
The average of 45 and 107 is 76, which actually sounds about right. Could this actually be best way to project team win totals?
Magpie - Wednesday, March 16 2005 @ 07:21 PM EST (#106438) #
Bold off

If the Jays scored 891 runs this year I would be quite surprised.

I will be surprised, shocked, astonished. They would have to average 5.5 per game... They would have to score as many runs through the end of August as they scored all last season.

If they do that...

OK, if by September 1, through 130 games, the Jays have scored 720 runs I will die my hair blue for the rest of the season. And endure unimaginable mockery from the likes of Dr Prison Fence and the rest of the crew. I mean it doesn't take much to get Blair started anyway....

daryn - Wednesday, March 16 2005 @ 08:03 PM EST (#106440) #
Gut Feel??
73 this year 80 next...
and I'm willing to hope for 86 in 2007
jim854 - Wednesday, March 16 2005 @ 10:25 PM EST (#106442) #
I have been at all the home games for the Jays this year in Dunedin and, based on the coaching and the player talent, I feel that the pitching will gradually improve over the season. With all the pitching staffs that Arnsberg has coached in the past, the pitching staff has come together and worked as a team and shown growth and development. Players love working with him and he gets a lot of loyalty from his pitchers.
However, the hitting is another story. This is going to be a long season. This team will have considerable difficulty moving base runners and scoring runs (like last years team). The big homeruns from Carlos that kept us in many games in the last few years have not been replaced.
I think a 65-75 win season is to be expected this season. As the team develops over the next few years, the win totals will certainly increase and, as the farm teams develop the players, the big team will become more competitive and even challenge for the playoffs - probably in 2007-8. Watching many of the young players here in Dunedin gives me a lot of hope for the future.
Joseph Krengel - Thursday, March 17 2005 @ 12:38 AM EST (#106446) #
There is no shame in dying your hair blue. I've done so on several ocassions, and except for the Peterborough Petes mascot there was no mocking whatsoever... except when the dye ran.
Named For Hank - Thursday, March 17 2005 @ 07:16 AM EST (#106449) #
I dyed my hair blue for Opening Day '03. I had done it in the past, but that was the first (and last) time that I bleached my hair first so that it'd be really really blue. And it was incredibly uncomfortable.

When I was in school, I regularly dyed my hair dark blue.
Sister - Thursday, March 17 2005 @ 08:38 AM EST (#106451) #
You would have to color me pessimistic regarding the Jays 2005 pitching staff. If Lilly’s spring “concerns” carry over to the regular season, and with the addition of Chacin to the rotation, I’m left with a deep sense of terror regarding the rotation.
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