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There's a great matchup tonight between Jon Lieber and Curt Schilling starting at 7:30PM. Frequent Batter's Box poster Rob informs us that Mike Wilner will him Frankie Cat on his show starting at 7:00PM. A webcast is available at the Fan 590 website.
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_Rob - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 06:42 PM EDT (#25307) #
Yes, Wilner is on, with Frank Catalanotto until about 7:30. I heard it on an FAN update...4:40 maybe?
And I can't want to hear Cat on the radio again.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 06:43 PM EDT (#25308) #
Awesome. Thanks for the update, Rob. I'll change the intro.
_Jobu - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 06:46 PM EDT (#25309) #
Does anyone else remember how AWESOME frank was when he filled in for Mr. Cheek? If it wasnt too late I would have called to ask him if he thought of it after retirement.
_Rob - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 06:49 PM EDT (#25310) #
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=10001&hourly=1&yday=292&weekday=Tuesday
COMN for detailed weather report for NY. Last night it was calling for rain, 100% POP, and it still is expected to rain tonight. I can't tell what it's like out in the Bronx from this webcam (the pavement looks shiny, but I can't see rain), however the clouds may open up anytime.
And I love the Internet -- I just found a live Times Square webcam, with seven different angles, in four seconds.

Frequent Batter's Box poster Rob

Second time I've been mentioned on this site as a frequent poster...is that a hint that I should be spending time elsewhere? ;)
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:04 PM EDT (#25311) #
Second time I've been mentioned on this site as a frequent poster...is that a hint that I should be spending time elsewhere? ;)

Nah. We just want to indicate that you're not the new guy around here.

Now if we refer to you as "Rob who won't leave us alone" then you might be posting too much. :)
_Jobu - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#25312) #
Some good news everyone: NFH is working on a little gift for all of us to really accent each day's episode of "Too Many Molinas!"
_Rob - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:07 PM EDT (#25313) #
It appears people are carrying umbrellas in New York right now. This means nothing, game time being an hour (two, knowing FOX) away, of course. But still...this is people-watching taken to a whole new level. There's a woman in a white jacket who seems to want to look at every single postcard...what's that about?

Now if we refer to you as "Rob who won't leave us alone" then you might be posting too much.

Well, I was about to be even more annoying by asking "What's Game 8?", then my brain told me I had just watched the equivalent of four ALCS games in the last two days. Never mind. ;)
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:09 PM EDT (#25314) #
LOL. That should have been Day 8. Thanks for the headsup.
_Rob - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:19 PM EDT (#25315) #
LOL. That should have been Day 8. Thanks for the headsup.

Next time, e-mail the gist of the thread intro to me and I'll edit it for you; making sure it's fit for public consumption, has no dangling participle malfunctions, and conforms to CRTC standards.
And is "headsup" anything like catsup? ;)

Okay, I'll stop now. Really, I will. I've posted four of the nine comments here. I'm going to watch the game in the other room, with the door closed and my keyboard locked away.
_Jeff Geauvreau - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:19 PM EDT (#25316) #
Prof Moffat:

I would put forth the idea of letting Mike Wilner
add his free agent list for the pool. It will make for
much fun and ribbing among us all.

I do not anybody will disagree with this and as Mike Wilner said today in his post on the roundup thread he did not have time to put in his picks before Midnight last night.

Excuse this messed up post.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:25 PM EDT (#25317) #
Mr. Wilner should realize that rules don't apply to celebrities.

If he wants to get his picks in late, of course we'll take them.

BTW I won't be a prof until May-June 2006. Then I'll be allowed to post under the title Doc Moffatt. That'd be sweeet. :)
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:25 PM EDT (#25318) #
I was just channel surfing and saw Canada Cup 76 action on TSN. Bobby Orr, Bobby Hull, Guy Lafleur all skating around without helmets. Canada's beating Sweden 1-0. I predict they win this game.
_Tyler - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:25 PM EDT (#25319) #
If anyone is reading this (Wilner), Wilner just said on the radio that Scott seemed to disappear, implying that he was scuffing the ball. Looking at his career record, he was a pretty solid pitcher up until he turned 35, with a ERA+ of 105 or better from age 30-34. If anything, his unimpressive stats before suggest he started scuffing at age 30, moreso than his dropoff at age 35.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:26 PM EDT (#25320) #
Hull wore a helmet most of the time. It was made out of artificial human hair, but it was still a helmet.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:26 PM EDT (#25321) #
Then I'll be allowed to post under the title Doc Moffatt. That'd be sweeet.

But we can still call you Doc Mo Phatt, right? Cause that would be even sweeter...
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:29 PM EDT (#25322) #
Well, yeah, of course.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:32 PM EDT (#25323) #
Cat checked on the Internet a couple times to find out if Woodward had been waved.

Wonder which site he checked? :)
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:32 PM EDT (#25324) #
I love the Cat:

(Wilner talks about how he thinks that Tosca was fired for poor starts to the season)

Cat: "Hopefully we have a good schedule this year"

Wilner: "You don't"

Cat: (dejectedly) "Oh"

[Wilner descrives who they play]

Cat: "That's not fair . . . "
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:33 PM EDT (#25325) #
Hull wore a helmet most of the time. It was made out of artificial human hair, but it was still a helmet.

And one memorable night in Winnipeg, playing against the Birmingham Bulls, Hull got into a semi-scrap with Steve Durbano. Who ripped off Bobby's rug.

He wore a standard helmet the rest of the night.

Playing for Sweden in this game besides Borje Salming: Anders Hedberg, Ulf Nilsson, Lars-Erik Sjoberg - its practically Winnipeg's old WHA team, except Bobby's playing for Canada.
_Braby - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:33 PM EDT (#25326) #
Does Cat sound like he has no clue what's going on? Like he didn't really even watch Russ Adams play or know who he was.
_Braby - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:33 PM EDT (#25327) #
oh nm he "forgot" about him.
Craig B - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:34 PM EDT (#25328) #
Click here for the updated satellite radar showing some small amount of clouds that should brush close to NYC, but that's it. They'll get the game in.
Craig B - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:35 PM EDT (#25329) #
Sorry, not small amount of clouds... small amount of storm activity. Duh.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:35 PM EDT (#25330) #
Keep in mind Cat wasn't around in September, so he would have missed Adams having a great month.

RE: The Jets. That was one stacked team. This is probably sacrilege, but I think they would have had a shot of taking the Canadiens in a 7 game series. Obviously they were a lot weaker in net, but the rest of the team matched up really well.
_Braby - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:36 PM EDT (#25331) #
Cat doesn't have a tv? He's getting paid by the Jays, you don't think he would maybe pay attention?

I'm not hating on Cat, I just think its funny b/c he really had no clue about a couple things...ie schedule, adams
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:38 PM EDT (#25332) #
I just checked in at SoSH, and read this:

only in a SoSH game thread will you find quotes from Dr. Johnson, Shakespeare and Van Halen on the same page.

Oh yeah?

I refute him thus.

It is a tale told by an idiot.

Now finish what ya started...
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:39 PM EDT (#25333) #
He's getting paid by the Jays, you don't think he would maybe pay attention?

I'm sure he paid some attention, but that being said, I don't follow what happens at my work that closely when I'm away for a month.

Besides, would you rather have Cat working hard on his rehab or have him sitting around watching TV and reading the paper? I'd much prefer the former.
_Braby - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:41 PM EDT (#25334) #
Ya but you don't play Pro Baseball in the Majors, and you can't watch your co-workers on television.

I'd be surprised if Cat was re-habing that hard in September that he couldn't take a couple hours out of his day to watch a game or a couple minutes to read the box scores.
_Rob - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:43 PM EDT (#25335) #
Perfect answer by Cat there:

WILNER: In the first inning this season, you hit .396.
CAT: Wow! [pauses] Now I need the other eight innings.

And I believe the Globe reported that "Woodward on waivers" story. I would not be surprised if this is the case, and Blair/Millson (not sure who had the news) are very reliable; this isn't Marty York we're talking about, so it's probably 85% true.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:43 PM EDT (#25336) #
I'm not so sure. Cat's a pretty hard worker, from what I hear.

Besides, if he truly loves the game, it probably *kills* him to see his teammates play without him. Like that episode of the Simpsons where Bart breaks his leg and can't play in the pool. I don't know if that's the case, though.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:44 PM EDT (#25337) #
The Jets. That was one stacked team. This is probably sacrilege, but I think they would have had a shot of taking the Canadiens in a 7 game series.

I was in Winnipeg in those days, and besides being awfully good they were enormous fun to watch. Kent Nilsson was the second line centre, and he could play a little too.

But I can not tell a lie - I think Montreal would have beaten them, because they had much better goaltending, and were clearly stronger on defense. I loved Lars-Erik Sjoberg, but Thommie Bergman and Barry Long didn't exactly stack up to Savard and Lapointe and Robinson.

But you know that classic New Year's Eve game between the Red Army and the Habs, where Tretiak stood on his head and it ended in a 3-3 tie?

Nine months later the Red Army came to Winnipeg to play the Jets and there was no comparable drama, because the Jets just flat out beat them 4-1.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:45 PM EDT (#25338) #
I imagine the story is true. I doubt the Jays are going to offer him arbitration. Why not try to free up the roster spot right now instead of waiting a couple months?
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:46 PM EDT (#25339) #
I loved Lars-Erik Sjoberg, but Thommie Bergman and Barry Long didn't exactly stack up to Savard and Lapointe and Robinson.

Yeah, but you're forgetting about Moffat. Lyle Moffat. :)
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:48 PM EDT (#25340) #
Cat's a pretty hard worker, from what I hear.

What made me a big fan of the Cat is a story that was posted here, that goes like this :

"The secret of Frank Catalanotto's success is a ratty black binder, seven years old. Its hundred-odd loose-leaf pages, alphabetized by pitchers' last names, contain a handwritten record of Catalanotto's 2,201 big league plate appearances and the 8,179 pitches he has seen since he came up with the Tigers seven years ago."

"Besides consulting his logbook, he arrives at the ballpark two or three hours before each game to watch videotape of the opposing pitcher."

Yeah, I'd say he's a hard worker.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:48 PM EDT (#25341) #
you're forgetting about Moffat.

Generic left winger - solid two-way guy.

I wonder if he could have shut down Lafleur for us...
_DGriebeling - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 07:57 PM EDT (#25342) #
Anyone know if Diamond Cam will be available for this game, and if so where to find the link for it? I don't see it yet, but maybe I'm just too anxious....
_DGriebeling - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 08:02 PM EDT (#25343) #
Joe Buck: "We are going to start on time"

FYI
_James W - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 08:05 PM EDT (#25344) #
That Catalanotto story comes from the 2004 season preview in Sports Illustrated, if I remember correctly.
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 08:05 PM EDT (#25345) #
Why is Kevin Kennedy wearing M.C. Hammer's pants?
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 08:08 PM EDT (#25346) #
Why is Kevin Kennedy wearing M.C. Hammer's pants?

He got them for cheap at Hammer's garage sale?
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 08:23 PM EDT (#25347) #
You have to figure both bullpens are shot - is Sandman even available after the last two days - and Damon strikes out but makes Liever throw ten pitches to the first hitter.
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 08:31 PM EDT (#25348) #
Top of the first: Not a single called strike actually crossed the plate. The one pitch that should have been a called strike crossed the plate waist high and was called a ball. What I wouldn't give for the real strike zone to be used or the rulebook changed to reflect current practise.
Pistol - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 08:33 PM EDT (#25349) #
Besides, would you rather have Cat working hard on his rehab or have him sitting around watching TV and reading the paper? I'd much prefer the former.

Why can't he do both? How long can rehab take each day, and wouldn't you do it in the morning and/or afternoon?
Pistol - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 08:34 PM EDT (#25350) #
Looks like Schilling has some juice tonight.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 08:38 PM EDT (#25351) #
If I was a Yankees fan, I'd be thinking "aw crap... regularly hitting 94 MPH...9 of 11 pitches for strikes...."
_Caino - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 08:38 PM EDT (#25352) #
95 mph Fastball. So far so good. Hopefully it holds up.
_Thomas M - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 08:52 PM EDT (#25353) #
Just looked at Lieber's stats and saw that he only issued 18 walks in 176.2 innings. I am impressed
_Lime - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 08:56 PM EDT (#25354) #
Tsk tsk tsk.. Boston Boston Boston...

You have the bases loaded with 2 outs to work with and you manufacture nothing, squandering a chance to set the tone in the biggest game of your season so far.

As long as it doesn't come back to bite you...
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 08:57 PM EDT (#25355) #
That wasn't the wind.

That was Tris Speaker's breath.
_Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:00 PM EDT (#25356) #
Can Bellhorn get any worse?

And it looks to me as if Schilling has lost it already. The AB's by Bernie and Posada were both outs, but Schilling's delivery already looks to me more like Game 1, than inning 1. Fastballs are already down in the 80's after a strong 90's filled 1st. Wind is the only reason it's not 1-0.
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:02 PM EDT (#25357) #
Can Bellhorn get any worse?

At one point last night, I wondered why the Red Sox weren't willing to punt any offense that Bellhorn contributed (and I use that word loosely) in order to use Pokey Reese. Bellhorn's been terrible, but at least he's not hitting #2 anymore.
_Lime - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:11 PM EDT (#25358) #
If Belhorn's not doing it with the bat, why is he even playing? Get Pokey in there to flash the leather.
_Lime - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:15 PM EDT (#25359) #
Is there a way to refresh this page without my previous post appearing for the second time? Do I have to keep going to HOME and then back here?
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#25360) #
Schilling's throwing mostly splitters now. He threw one FB to Sierra that hit 92 and the pitch Jeter popped up to end the inning was also 92.

Everything else was in the 80s except one 90 MPH FB to Cairo.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:25 PM EDT (#25361) #
Is there a way to refresh this page without my previous post appearing for the second time? Do I have to keep going to HOME and then back here?

It should refresh automatically after you hit post.

What browser are you using?
_DGriebeling - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#25362) #
Yankees do better coming from behind. This is encouraging. Nice at-bat by Varitek though
_Lime - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#25363) #
Some nice 2 out hitting by 'Tek.

There's a lead for Schilling.
_Jobu - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#25364) #
Oink.
_Lime - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#25365) #
Belhorn with a 3 run jack... now if the umps will get the call right..
_Matthew E - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:32 PM EDT (#25366) #
Check this out. Once again, the circus is in town. Are the umpires really consulting the fans about what happened?
_Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#25367) #
Glad I jinxed Bellhorn into actually doing something.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#25368) #
After all the abuse directed at Bellhorn... that's got to feel pretty good.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:36 PM EDT (#25369) #
What's this about the circus? I've only got Gamecast on.

A song by The Damned just came on my playlist a minute ago. I thought that would be a *bad* sign for the Red Sox. :)
_Rob - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:36 PM EDT (#25370) #
Are the umpires really consulting the fans about what happened?

No TV here. I know it went off some fan's hands in the front row, and it's been called a HR, but what do you mean?
_Jobu - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#25371) #
Someone better get some Dire Straits going to counter act Mo Phatt's evil mojo.

Moo.
_Matthew E - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:38 PM EDT (#25372) #
I've only got the radio here; from what Miller and Morgan were saying it sounded like the umpires were asking the fans if it was a home run or not. My comment about the circus was only to imply that it was a weird play.
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:38 PM EDT (#25373) #
I didn't see the homerun as it happened, just the replay. I can't understand what the left field umpire was looking at for this not to have been an obvious call. And if he can't make a correct call on that play, then just what exactly is he out there for?
_Lime - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:38 PM EDT (#25374) #
Schilling's got to bear down the best he can here.. absorb the pain. The longer he can keep the Yanks off the board, the better.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#25375) #
Someone better get some Dire Straits going to counter act Mo Phatt's evil mojo.

It's not my fault. Just my MP3 program's idea of a funny random choice. :)
_Jobu - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:42 PM EDT (#25376) #
Got any Straits on there?

Eee-awww.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:43 PM EDT (#25377) #
Nope. Never bought a Dire Straits album, and all the MP3s I have are copies of songs I've bought (either on CD or vinyl).
_Jobu - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#25378) #
Damn. Any Bauxites out there to help our cause?

Woof.
_Lime - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:47 PM EDT (#25379) #
Anyone notice that red spot on Schilling's sock? Is that blood?
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:48 PM EDT (#25380) #
Is that blood?

According to ESPN, it is.

I can't decide if Curt is brave or insane.

C'mon.. get Posada!
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:51 PM EDT (#25381) #
Velocity Watch

Rodriguez - 92

Sheffield - 87, 89, 89, 90, 77

Matsui - 89

Williams - 83, 83, 91, 85

Posada - 88, 91, 86, 91, 85
_jsoh - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:52 PM EDT (#25382) #
Anyone notice that red spot on Schilling's sock? Is that blood?

Cue final scene from The Natural (movie version).
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 09:52 PM EDT (#25383) #
Is that blood?

Its from where they gave him the shot of marcaine.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:02 PM EDT (#25384) #
Question for the Bauxites:

How long do you leave Lieber in for? He's not exactly dominating tonight and he's already thrown 86 pitches in the last 5 innings.

At the same time, the Yanks pen is pretty depleted and there's a good chance they'll need someone tomorrow if it goes to a Game 7.

What do you do? What DO you DO?
_jsoh - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:03 PM EDT (#25385) #
Is it just me, or is having Game Breaks on days when there is only one game playing really, really stupid?

FOX also pulls that stunt during the NFL playoffs.
_Lime - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:05 PM EDT (#25386) #
[i]Velocity Watch

Rodriguez - 92

Sheffield - 87, 89, 89, 90, 77

Matsui - 89

Williams - 83, 83, 91, 85

Posada - 88, 91, 86, 91, 85[/i]

Just blew it by Clark at 94 to strike him out.
_Lime - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:06 PM EDT (#25387) #
As you can see from the above, I do not know how to italicize text.

Help please.
_jsoh - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:06 PM EDT (#25388) #
How long do you leave Lieber in for?

Well. I'm thinking 9 innings, but I'm a sucker for game 7s.

In all seriousness, I get Vasquez warming up now, and ready to come in at the first sign of trouble in the 6th.

I have no idea who they'll bring in after that tho. You gotta think that neither Gordon nor Rivera are going to have much left. Sturtze? Quantrill? What other ex-Jays to they have in the bullpen - L_____ perhaps?
_Rob - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:07 PM EDT (#25389) #
Well, I happen to be doing some statistics homework right now during the game, so:

Schilling (for those pitches only, not counting the new Clark 94)
Mean: 87.25 mph
Median: 88.5
Mode: 89
Overall Standard Deviation: 3.96
Most Consistent Multi-Pitch At-Bat In Terms of Pitch Speed: Posada
Limp: Significant

The only outlier in the data was 77 mph, but I guess it's a good thing to have "outliers" in pitch speed -- keep the batter off-balance, after all.

And I send Lieber out there for the sixth, and the seventh if he goes 1-2-3, or even needs four batters. As long as he doesn't pitch too much from the stretch, I would have him go 7.
_jsoh - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:07 PM EDT (#25390) #
As you can see from the above, I do not know how to italicize text.

You almost had it. Replace the square brackets with angle brackets (ie shift-, and shift-.)
_DGriebeling - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#25391) #
Help please.

Triangle Brackets with is in between 'em....< >
_Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#25392) #
Schilling's seeming more comfortable out there now. Much better command over the past inning or two.

And I leave Lieber in til he gives up 2 baserunners in this 6th, if he gets through that, than 1 baserunner in the 7th and he's out. Can we say...Sturtze?
_DGriebeling - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#25393) #
that is the plural of i, not the word is
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#25394) #
You need to use the greater than/lesser than brackets. < i > (without the extra space instead of [i].

Be absolutely sure to include a closing tag of < /i > (again without the spaces) or else it screws up the board formatting.
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:09 PM EDT (#25395) #
Lime, use < and > instead of [ and ].
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:09 PM EDT (#25396) #
A 94 MPH FB to Clark? Did they give him another injection?

First man out of the pen has to be Sturtze.

Heredia is definitely available. :-)

Gordon has worked in all 5 games, 5 IP, and hasn't been that good...

Normally, Quantrill is always available but he hurt himself last night. Must be questionable.

Torre burned Rivera for 2 IP last night trying to get an impossible save (4-3, runners on 1st and 3rd, no one out, 8th inning.) I think he's got be N/A

Loaiza went 3 IP - doubt if he can come back.

Hernandez might contribute an inning.

If Brown starting tomorrow, Vasquez can pitch.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#25397) #
I honestly think you need to leave Lieber in there until his arm falls off. By that I mean 120 or 130 pitches. This pen really needs the rest.

Of course, if the game got out of hand, you could always send John Olerud in to pitch. :)
_Lime - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#25398) #
Schilling at a favourable pace. 67 pitches of 5 inning shutout ball thus far.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:15 PM EDT (#25399) #
Great AB by Nixon, even if the final outcome wasn't all that spiffy.
_Lime - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:15 PM EDT (#25400) #
Does anyone find it a tad pathetic that 2 castoffs of OUR bullpen, a pen that is generally terrible, happen to be regulars out of the bullpen of a team with a $200 million payroll?

Yankees have no business going to the World Series.
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:20 PM EDT (#25401) #
Don't forget another castoff, Loaiza, a man over whom Ricciardi took some undue grief last season.
_Matthew E - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:21 PM EDT (#25402) #
Does anyone find it a tad pathetic that 2 castoffs of OUR bullpen, a pen that is generally terrible, happen to be regulars out of the bullpen of a team with a $200 million payroll?

Which two did you have in mind? I wouldn't call Quantrill a 'castoff'. Sturtze and Loaiza are, but Loaiza wasn't really a reliever for the Jays... nor was Sturtze, really.
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:23 PM EDT (#25403) #
Sturtze was a reliever. He appeared in 40 games, and only 8 of those games were starts. That just wasn't really the plan.
_Lime - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:24 PM EDT (#25404) #
Well, Sturtze and Heredia were the two I was thinking of.

lol @ Schilling trying to learn Bostonian.
_DGriebeling - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:24 PM EDT (#25405) #
Ok, as a Yankee cheering guy, I'm starting to lose faith... someone give me something to be confident about that the Yanks will win today
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:24 PM EDT (#25406) #
And now suddenly everything is 92-93?

This is all getting a little hard to believe...
_Lime - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:26 PM EDT (#25407) #
Curt has been the master tonight.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:28 PM EDT (#25408) #
This is all getting a little hard to believe...

No kidding. This whole series has had a "Professional Wrestling" vibe to it. It's almost as if it were scripted. In Game 7 Joe Torre is going to hit Bronson Arroyo in the back of the head with a folding chair while Derek Jeter distracts the umpires by arguing balls & strikes.
_Pete Warren - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:28 PM EDT (#25409) #
Wow...this is unbelievable....

There is gonna be hell to pay in the Bronx if the mighty Yankees make history by blowing a 3-0 to the Red Sox. OUCH! OUCH! OOOOO THAT HURT
_Matthew E - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:29 PM EDT (#25410) #
Oh, right, Heredia.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:30 PM EDT (#25411) #
After 6, Lieber at 107 and Schilling at 81.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:35 PM EDT (#25412) #
The Red Sox got out in 8 pitches during that inning. They really needed to make Lieber work more.
_Nolan - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:35 PM EDT (#25413) #
Anyone esle find that this "world renowned tenor" has a really annoying voice? Personally, i think that that 13 year old girl did a better job in Boston
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:41 PM EDT (#25414) #
As you can imagine, the lads of SoSH are pretty impressed with their hero tonight and are not shy about expressing their devotion.

Some samples:

-My feelings toward g38 are reaching "I'm not gay, but..." proportions.

-I love this man so much right now.

-I bow in awe.

-I'm not gay either, but if Schilling said "BFS, I want a hot stone massage with a happy ending," I'd say "How happy?"

-..pitching the game of his life with a bad ankle and blood showing through his uniform.
_Lime - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:42 PM EDT (#25415) #
Physics would tell you that that ball should've hooked foul.

The ghosts are out in Yankee Stadium.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:43 PM EDT (#25416) #
Damn.
_Keith Talent - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:44 PM EDT (#25417) #
I cannot believe one of those broadcasters hasn't picked up that Schilling actually has RED SOX tonight (well, one red sock anyway, from his bleeding ankle) - how symbolic is that? Don't they have guys looking for corny stuff like that?
_Rob - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:45 PM EDT (#25418) #
4-1 after the homer, Arroyo warming up.
Will #41 be -30- for G38?
_Mel Meatwhistle - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:45 PM EDT (#25419) #
Jobu, remind me about the Molinas thing over and over again tomorrow until I deliver the finished product to you.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:46 PM EDT (#25420) #
Arroyo is warming up?!? Isn't he starting tomorrow?

If he doesn't start tomorrow's game, who will?
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:47 PM EDT (#25421) #
Schilling is barking at Joe West about some of the calls during the Williams AB.

If [Arroyo] doesn't start tomorrow's game, who will?

Knuckles.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:48 PM EDT (#25422) #
Pete Warren, if you pull that crap again, you're banned.
_Thomas M - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:49 PM EDT (#25423) #
The Blue Jays are happy to announce the signing of Carlos Delgado to a 2 year 19.5 million dollar contract

Source? I hope I got that italics stuff workíng for the first time.
Named For Hank - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:51 PM EDT (#25424) #
Well, to be fair you ought to let Pete reveal his source.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:51 PM EDT (#25425) #
Knuckles.

Wow. It just showed up on the ESPN homepage, so I guess he will.
_Grimlock - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:52 PM EDT (#25426) #
Schilling is barking at Joe West about some of the calls during the Williams AB.

Me Grimlock would too. Ball 2 changed the complexion of the entire at-bat. Why do the Red Sox hug so much? They got problems, man.
Mike Green - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:52 PM EDT (#25427) #
If Wakefield says that he's ready, he can get the start. Knucklers are an entirely different breed.

If there is any poetry in the world, this is how the curse will be broken.
_Pete Warren - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:52 PM EDT (#25428) #
Nice prank buddy...who's your source? Marty York?

I'll always remember after Buck Martinez was fired, Marty York wrote that the Blue Jays were close to a deal to bring back Jimy Williams as manager. What? J.P. Ricciardi hiring Jimy Williams? Hmmmm

Haha or maybe it was the one where he clamied Larry Walker would become a Jay at the 2002 trade deadline.

Haha I just wanted to pose this question. Do any of you Bauxites remember Tilson Brito? LOL
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:52 PM EDT (#25429) #
I wouldn't take Schilling out. Not quite yet - he's at 99 pitches, the 8 and 9 hitters are coming up, and he's suddenly throwing 92-93 again.
_Lime - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:52 PM EDT (#25430) #
If he doesn't start tomorrow's game, who will?

I would think Lowe.
_Matthew E - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:54 PM EDT (#25431) #
Do any of you Bauxites remember Tilson Brito?

I don't think Tilson Brito remembers Tilson Brito.
_Keith Talent - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:55 PM EDT (#25432) #
If there is any poetry in the world, this is how the curse will be broken.

Not so fast man. They'd still need to win one more series after that.
_Lime - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:56 PM EDT (#25433) #
I seem to remember a game between the Twins and Blue Jays at SkyDome where Ortiz took Heredia deep......
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:56 PM EDT (#25434) #
A couple of points.

1. Impersonating anyone is against our legal policy. So please don't do it.

2. The board records the IP address whenever you make a comment. So don't assume you can do something stupid and not think we won't know who you are.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. :)
_Grimlock - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:57 PM EDT (#25435) #
Man, Felix Heredia sucks. It's too bad for the Yanks that Gordon and Quantrill have pitched so poorly this series. They got Rivera or nothing.
_Jeff Geauvreau - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:58 PM EDT (#25436) #
Moffat , I know I am tired but did you just say you say on the espn homepage about Delgado signing ?

I can't believe it.
_Matthew E - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:58 PM EDT (#25437) #
Nobody's going to sign anything while there are postseason games going on. Everybody relax.
Named For Hank - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:58 PM EDT (#25438) #
Nice prank buddy...who's your source? Marty York?

I thought our source was Pete Warren!
_DGriebeling - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 10:59 PM EDT (#25439) #
ESPN says that Wakefield (Knuckles) is pitching tomorrow... I thought it was about Delgado too....
Named For Hank - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:00 PM EDT (#25440) #
Jeff, Moffatt was saying that ESPN was showing Wakefield as the starter for Game 7.
_Lime - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:00 PM EDT (#25441) #
One ex-Jay reliever in Pinstripes hands the ball over to another ex-Jay reliever in Pinstripes.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:00 PM EDT (#25442) #
Moffat , I know I am tired but did you just say you say on the espn homepage about Delgado signing ?

No, I said that ESPN said that Wakefield will start Game 7.
_Thomas M - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:00 PM EDT (#25443) #
If Wakefield is starting, who will catch him? What risk is bigger: The Sox w/out Vaiteks bat or with his glove?
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:01 PM EDT (#25444) #
Marty York, as it happens, is very busy explaining how all the Raptors are very unhappy with team management and are on the verge of imploding or exploding or something like that.

As if anyone will be able to tell the difference.
Named For Hank - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:01 PM EDT (#25445) #
Mr. Clutch... whoops!
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:02 PM EDT (#25446) #
Its definitely Wakefield tomorrow, and Lowe is the first guy out of the pen...
_Jeff Geauvreau - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:03 PM EDT (#25447) #
Okay I am fine now, I am getting to Jobu league in tiredness.

Messes up Jobu stuff and grabs a beer from Moffat.

Good beer Moffat , is this imported....
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:03 PM EDT (#25448) #
I think Varitek's 3 passed balls in one inning pretty much decide who will catch Wakefield tommorow, if there is a game tommorow.
_Rob - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:03 PM EDT (#25449) #
I seem to remember a game between the Twins and Blue Jays at SkyDome where Ortiz took Heredia deep

Heredia only faced the Twins twice as a Blue Jay, and didn't give up any runs. Ortiz homered off Lyon at the Dome on April 5, 2002, maybe that's what you were thinking about. (He also homered against Steve Parris in Minnesota.)
_Pete Warren - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:04 PM EDT (#25450) #
Moffatt I did not send that.....It was a prank. No use explaining a long story in a baseball blog for god sakes. You guys don't wanna hear about my friends jokes

Man it is so hard to cheer against Quantrill.
_JayWay - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:04 PM EDT (#25451) #
Calm eyes; shaky hands.
_Rob - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:05 PM EDT (#25452) #
Gabe Kapler singles on a ground ball to shortstop Derek Jeter

Call me whatever you want (anti-Yankee, Jeter-basher), but I like seeing that. :)
Named For Hank - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:07 PM EDT (#25453) #
Rob, did you see it, though? It popped out under Jeter's arm like a bar of soap.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:08 PM EDT (#25454) #
Remember Schilling on the bench watching the bullpen in '93?

At least these days he doesn't feel the need to hide his head in a towel because he can't stand to watch.

Oh wait, he's going to the clubhouse. Can't say I blame him. Needs to wash off the blood, howl in pain as the medication wears off... stuff like that.

Is anybody going to forget what we saw him do here tonight? Like, ever?
_Keith Talent - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:09 PM EDT (#25455) #
You know, "Bronson" as a name is totally out of character with the guy about to pitch. When I think "Bronson", I don't think some skinny guy who turned his peroxide locks into meticulous braids with adorable curls at the end.
_Dan H - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:11 PM EDT (#25456) #
No kidding. This whole series has had a "Professional Wrestling" vibe to it. It's almost as if it were scripted. In Game 7 Joe Torre is going to hit Bronson Arroyo in the back of the head with a folding chair while Derek Jeter distracts the umpires by arguing balls & strikes.

If it were wrestling, Jeter would appear to be distracting the ref so that Torre could smack Arroyo, then would pull a swerve and hit Torre himself, rip off his Yankee jersey to show a Red Sox's jersey underneith. He'd then walk over to join the Sox, becoming an uber-heel in Yankeeland.
_G.T. - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:11 PM EDT (#25457) #
Remember Schilling on the bench watching the bullpen in '93?

Didn't he do something similar in 2001?

Five outs away... three run lead. Where've I seen that before?
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:11 PM EDT (#25458) #
You know, "Bronson" as a name is totally out of character with the guy about to pitch.

I dunno. Ever see "Beverly Hills Cop?"

Yeah, that Bronson...
_Keith Talent - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:13 PM EDT (#25459) #
Bronson Pinchot!
_Loveshack - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:13 PM EDT (#25460) #
Ever see "Beverly Hills Cop?"

Of course not don't be ridiculous.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:14 PM EDT (#25461) #
That's Myers in the bullpen. His guy is Matsui, so they're counting on Arroyo for Jeter, Rodriguez, and Sheffield.
_Rob - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:14 PM EDT (#25462) #
Rob, did you see it, though?

Well, on MLB Gameday. :)

I dunno. Ever see "Beverly Hills Cop?"

Keeping with the slightly annoying tradition of posting images right after a celebrity is mentioned:
_Keith Talent - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:14 PM EDT (#25463) #
Ever notice that ex-catchers who become broadcasters are always all over the pitchers when they shake off a pitch?
_jsoh - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:14 PM EDT (#25464) #
Awww crap. Here we go again.
_G.T. - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:15 PM EDT (#25465) #
I dunno. Ever see "Beverly Hills Cop?"

Yeah, that Bronson...


Flipping through the PVR last night, I was ecstatic to see that they'd finally decided to make the "Perfect Strangers" reunion movie. Alas, it was Rob Lowe, and not Balki.

As for the game... Uh Oh....
_Pete Warren - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:15 PM EDT (#25466) #
I think business has just picked up
_Thomas M - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:15 PM EDT (#25467) #
Extra innings, anyone?
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:17 PM EDT (#25468) #
"We'll probably see Timlin"

The only possible applicable response to that bit of commentary is the following sound:

Gulp.
_JayWay - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:17 PM EDT (#25469) #
Extra innings, anyone?

No, thank you.
_Keith Talent - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:17 PM EDT (#25470) #
Yup, the thrills are picking up. We had a sleepy few innings there, and now...
_lurd - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:18 PM EDT (#25471) #
sit down arod

biyatch
_Loveshack - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:18 PM EDT (#25472) #
I loved "Perfect Strangers", the sitcom not the crappy made for TV movie. Used to come home from school every day at lunch just to watch it and Flintstones. Bronson Pinchot also appears in one of my all time favorite movies ever "True Romance".
_Pete Warren - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:19 PM EDT (#25473) #
Ever notice that ex-catchers who become broadcasters are always all over the pitchers when they shake off a pitch?

Yeah I have Keith. Funny you should mention that because Buck Martinez used to bring that up with Blue Jay catchers all the time on TSN.

Hey I just remembered another classic Blue Jay. Norberto "Paco" Martin anybody? LOL
_Thomas M - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:19 PM EDT (#25474) #
JayWay, don't want more interesting games as the laast two?
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:19 PM EDT (#25475) #
Well, that was nice.

Unbelievable.
_Loveshack - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:19 PM EDT (#25476) #
What the heck was that?!?
_DGriebeling - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:19 PM EDT (#25477) #
WOW........
_Keith Talent - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:19 PM EDT (#25478) #
We have just witnessed the curse.
_Matthew E - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:20 PM EDT (#25479) #
I said it before and I'll say it again. The circus is in town.
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:20 PM EDT (#25480) #
We need instant replay!
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:20 PM EDT (#25481) #
That should read

(Fox)We need instant replay! (/Fox)
_Rob - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:21 PM EDT (#25482) #
Oh come on. Cheap play by A-Rod. He intentionally knocked the ball out.
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:21 PM EDT (#25483) #
WAHOO! Go UMPS!
_DGriebeling - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:21 PM EDT (#25484) #
Wow, again......
_Rob - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:21 PM EDT (#25485) #
Or, if he usually runs like that, he has a very effeminate running style, what with his hands flailing up in the air.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:21 PM EDT (#25486) #
WOW! They got it right, but WOW!
_JayWay - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:21 PM EDT (#25487) #
More important issue, here:

Was the slap girly?
_Thomas M - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:22 PM EDT (#25488) #
Hey, what happened? Explanation, please, please,please.
_G.T. - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:22 PM EDT (#25489) #
Yankee fans sure are classy...
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:22 PM EDT (#25490) #
Yankees' 10th man? Mr. Umpire.

Wait a minute... They're getting one right? They're not giving yet another call to the Yankees?

Brrrrr. Is that hell freezing over?
_jsoh - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:22 PM EDT (#25491) #
ARod pulled a Fick!
_yankee intangib - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:22 PM EDT (#25492) #
best umps ever
Dave Till - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:23 PM EDT (#25493) #
The Sox have just pulled their players off the field for their own protection, as the fans are throwing baseballs and other things at them.

A-Rod was out. He swatted at the ball.
_Nolan - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:23 PM EDT (#25494) #
Okay, what a weird play

Last time I saw something like that, the batter hit the ball off a tee
_DGriebeling - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:23 PM EDT (#25495) #
Why isn't Jeter given 2nd at least?
_Nolan - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:24 PM EDT (#25496) #
Class: the Yank fans chanting "Bullsh*t"
_Rob - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:24 PM EDT (#25497) #
Oh, how girly the slap was. :)
SoSH must be going nuts (again!).
_G.T. - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:24 PM EDT (#25498) #
Hey, what happened? Explanation, please, please,please

Rodriguez karate-chopped the ball out of the glove. No question about it. The umps conferred (the 1B ump couldn't see ARod), ARod correctly called out, Jeter sent back to first.
_Pete Warren - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:24 PM EDT (#25499) #
Man oh man....

Only between the Yanks and Bo Sox could this happen

Joe Torre usually never gets this mad. Its a nice change to see him getting the bad end of the deal.
_Thomas M - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:24 PM EDT (#25500) #
ARod pulled a Fick!

Sorry could you explain this stupid foreigner what that means?
_JayWay - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:24 PM EDT (#25501) #
Why isn't Jeter given 2nd at least?

Because he's mean and nobody likes him.
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:25 PM EDT (#25502) #
It wasn't a karate chop, don't call him that.

It was a girly, "Oh, that awful awful man has my purse!" slap.
_Ron - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:25 PM EDT (#25503) #
WTF???

A-Rod thinks it's the WWF!!!!
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:26 PM EDT (#25504) #
Man, I wish I still had cable. I'd love to see a replay of this.
_G.T. - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:26 PM EDT (#25505) #
Because of ARod's cheating ways, the Yankees don't have a runner in scoring position, as Jeter would obviously have been at second. Nice.
_Thomas M - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:27 PM EDT (#25506) #
THX, GT. A-Rod is still in the game?
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:27 PM EDT (#25507) #
I have to say again, nice work Cap'n A-Rod!
_Fozzy - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:27 PM EDT (#25508) #
That was just shameful. Looks like the Yanks are getting desperate.

On the plus side, I finally heard a 'bull-shit' call at a baseball game. The last time I heard that was in 'professional' wrestling. Classy! :)
_G.T. - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:27 PM EDT (#25509) #
Man, I wish I still had cable. I'd love to see a replay of this.

My guess is that it MIGHT make a highlight reel or two. :)
Pistol - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:28 PM EDT (#25510) #
Why isn't Jeter given 2nd at least?

On a interference play the runners return to the base where they started.
_jsoh - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:28 PM EDT (#25511) #
ARod pulled a Fick!

Sorry could you explain this stupid foreigner what that means?


In the playoffs last year (IIRC) Robert Fick hit a ground ball to the infield, and in running to first (seemingly) intentionally ran thru the outstretched arm of the first baseman who was receiving the throw.

Claimed innocence, but ignited a rather large firestorm of bad vibes. As I recall, even his own teammates dumped on him.
_JayWay - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:29 PM EDT (#25512) #
The only way that move could have been anymore girly, was if A-Rod had pulled out his mace and sprayed Aroyo in the eyes. Luckily for us, A-Rod forgot his purse.
_Jobu - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:29 PM EDT (#25513) #
You got it NFH. Constant annoying questions about "Too Many Molinas!" tomorrow.

Meow.
_Grimlock - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:29 PM EDT (#25514) #
Whenever Warren Sawkiw speaks, me Grimlock feels like punching him in the face. Why's he always smilling?
_Pete Warren - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:29 PM EDT (#25515) #
God dang

Do Americans actually think they are drinking good beer when they crack open a Miller Lite for god sakes?
Pistol - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:29 PM EDT (#25516) #
If anyone has a rulebook handy I'd be interested in knowing the difference between a play that ARod did and running over a catcher at home for example. Both plays you're trying to dislodge the ball.
robertdudek - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:30 PM EDT (#25517) #
What a bush league play by Pay-Rod. Fick got lambasted last year for doing the same thing and I hope Mr. Rodriguez is similarly admonished. I've lost all respect for him and I doubly hope the Yankees blow this series.
_jsoh - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:30 PM EDT (#25518) #
Holy Fanieul Hall Batman!

Foulke glimpsed warming up in the pen. I couldnt see the duct tape holding his arm on, but it was a quick shot.
_Thomas M - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:31 PM EDT (#25519) #
Ah so that's one of those things why da coach doesn't like Fick (German for that word with u) very much. Boston probably deserves to win this one. First Schilling now A-Rod.
_Jobu - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:31 PM EDT (#25520) #
Do Americans actually think they are drinking good beer when they crack open a Miller Lite for god sakes?

The funny thing is quite honestly yes. I know, I was quite perplexed by this custom as well. Apparently beer flavoured kool-aid is better than actual beer. Go figure.
_Pete Warren - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:32 PM EDT (#25521) #
Moffatt...you don't have cable???

or satelite?

And Keith Foulke pitching again?
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:32 PM EDT (#25522) #
Thomas, last year Robert Fick, then of the Braves, reached out his arm in a cheesy and deliberate manner on an otherwise routine groundout. The ball was jarred loose but the umpires called him out and I believe MLB fined Fick, despite the fact that he was not ejected from the game. His actions were dangerous because of their potential to injure.

ARod's chop wasn't as dirty though was extremely cheesy and entirely classless. I would have expected much more from a player who is usually very dignified and conducts himself very professionally (unless you object to his actions in trying to get himself out of Texas this past off-season). 6-4-3 very accurately characterized the slap.

For anyone out there without visual access to the game, Rodriguez's actions were entirely deliberate. Of that there is no doubt.
_G.T. - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:32 PM EDT (#25523) #
It wasn't a karate chop, don't call him that.

It was a girly, "Oh, that awful awful man has my purse!" slap.


True. From the first angle, it was hard to tell what he was doing, it looked like a chop, as Arroyo's body blocked out ARod's hand.

On the plus side, I finally heard a 'bull-shit' call at a baseball game. The last time I heard that was in 'professional' wrestling. Classy! :)

Seems to happen all the time in the NHL... I've even heard it several times here in boring old Ottawa!

Buck & McCarver seem to be almost praising ARod for "trying", forgetting that it could've cost the Yanks a run if Sheffield had singled.
Named For Hank - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:32 PM EDT (#25524) #
I was in bed, listening on the radio. I bolted to the TV room to watch the replay.

A-Rod trying to claim that it was his regular running motion is totally, completely ridiculous. Seriously, he stopped his regular pumping motion, kept his left hand out instead of pulling it back as he would in a normal run, opened his fist, extended his fingers and smacked at the glove.

This whole series has had a "Professional Wrestling" vibe to it.

If the Yankees had been allowed that run and had won, the World Series would have been tainted, horribly. Exceptional work by this umpiring crew.

A-Rod is still shaking his head on the field like he has no idea of why they called him out. How completely, totally pathetic.

Next year, every A-Rod at-bat at SkyDome (and everywhere else) should be greeted with a crowd cheer of "Cheaaaterrrrrrr, cheaaaaaaterrrrrr".
_Rob - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:33 PM EDT (#25525) #
(insane Boston fan)
That's what 252 million dollars buys you, folks. A purple-lipped, slapping girlie-man.
(/insane Boston fan)

As I recall, even his own teammates dumped on him.

Bobby Cox was rather pissed as well. And Fick did not play for the Braves after that. I wonder why?

I've lost all respect for him

I'm surprised you had any respect for the highest-paid player on The New York Mercenaries. ;)

Pistol:
I believe, although I do not have a rule book handy, that "the play at the plate" is NOT allowed in the official rules, just like the A-Rod Girlie Swat isn't. However, it's become an unwritten rule that you are allowed to knock over the catcher at the plate, despite it being against the rules.
I may be wrong -- this is all going on memory.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:34 PM EDT (#25526) #
Well, an uneventful bottom of the 8th...

I flashed back there to 1978, Yankees-Dodgers. Thurman Munson on second, Reggie Jackson on first. One out, Yankees had just scored to make it 3-1 LA. Lou Piniella hit a soft little liner to 2b. Jackson was hung up not knowing if Russell would catch it or not. Russell short-hopped the ball, stepped on second for the force and threw to 1B to complete the DP.

And Jackson, frozen in the baseline, twitched. Just a little. You could barely even see the twitch on the replay. But he deflected the throw down the RF line. Munson scored, and it was a 3-2 game.

They tied it in the 8th and won it in the 10th.

Not this time, buddy. Not this time.
_Rob - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:36 PM EDT (#25527) #
Next year, every A-Rod at-bat at SkyDome (and everywhere else) should be greeted with a crowd cheer of "Cheaaaterrrrrrr, cheaaaaaaterrrrrr".

Doesn't that sound a little bit like a cheer for their other SS? ;)
_Thomas M - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:36 PM EDT (#25528) #
So Jeter batting ahead of A-Rod makes the cowd yell: Overrated Cheater.
_jsoh - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:37 PM EDT (#25529) #
I flashed back there to 1978

Well. I did too, but the images I got mostly involved pre-school :)

Now I'm gonna have to dredge up the earliest baseball memory I have.
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:37 PM EDT (#25530) #
I believe there is a rule that precludes a defensive player from blocking a base, such as catchers are wont to do. Not sure if there is a rule that precludes a baserunner from plowing down such a defensive player.

That said, even a baserunner trying to score would, I believe, be called out were he to chop the catcher's arm to force the ball free. He could perform a Pete Rose into Ray Fosse flying body block, but no choppy choppy methinks.
Named For Hank - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:39 PM EDT (#25531) #
All that said, I understand the fans being upset. 90% of them wouldn't be able to see what A-Rod did.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:39 PM EDT (#25532) #
the images I got mostly involved pre-school :)

I get that too, mixed in with images of Cap Anson and Hoss Radbourn...
_Ron - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:39 PM EDT (#25533) #
If this series is like the WWF which team is the babyface and which team is the heel?
_G.T. - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:39 PM EDT (#25534) #
Okay, IIRC *one* baseball was thrown onto the field at the last game at Olympic Stadium, and they stopped the game for 10 minutes, and the fans were immediately warned about the possibility of a forfeit.

It looked like there must've been dozens of balls thrown on the field in the 8th by Yankee fans -- no announcement made, only a short delay. More stuff gets thrown out now (according to Buck, nothing was shown on-screen)... there'd better be something said!
robertdudek - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:41 PM EDT (#25535) #
Torre should go look at a replay of the incident and apologize to the umpires for arguing over the play.

And of course the "civilized" Yankees crowd has littered the field over something that was the fault of their own spoiled player. Nice.
_Thomas M - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:41 PM EDT (#25536) #
Another On-Field Delay. Yankees fans going (being?) insane?
_Ron - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:41 PM EDT (#25537) #
Can somebody translate for me what O-Dog said on that commercial that just aired on Sportsnet?
Named For Hank - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:41 PM EDT (#25538) #
Can you see the crapalanche that would occur if the umps declared the game a forfeit and the Sox winners because of the fans?
_DGriebeling - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:41 PM EDT (#25539) #
If A-Rod slides, does he make it? Or is he too far from the base?
Dave Till - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:42 PM EDT (#25540) #
This is getting really ugly. They're pointing in the stands - maybe they've found a fan who was throwing something.
_jsoh - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:42 PM EDT (#25541) #
That big cop that they keep on focusing on looks like one scary dude.

Not the kind of guy who you want to catch you at something you shouldnt be doing.
_Rob - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:42 PM EDT (#25542) #
Clarification: In my post about the rulebook, I meant that it was against the rules for the catcher to block the plate, not for the runner to plow over the catcher. The runner is entitled to the basepath, but he must not go out of his way to dislodge the ball.

In all honesty, I have no idea what the rules are. :)

Can somebody translate for me what O-Dog said on that commercial that just aired on Sportsnet?

No, Ron. No English-speaking person can. It's as futile as...well, as trying to get away with an A-Rod Girlie Swat.
Named For Hank - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:42 PM EDT (#25543) #
Holy shit.

Police officers in riot gear.
Named For Hank - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:43 PM EDT (#25544) #
HUNDREDS OF THEM.
_stargurl - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:43 PM EDT (#25545) #
Riot gear?!

RIOT GEAR?!
Dave Till - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:43 PM EDT (#25546) #
And now there are police in riot gear in front of the first base and third base stands. Yow.
_G.T. - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:43 PM EDT (#25547) #
Another On-Field Delay. Yankees fans going (being?) insane?

Nobody seems to know what, exactly, is going on. Cops with riot gear are out on the field now, so it seems the delay is about preparing for something worse.
_jsoh - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:43 PM EDT (#25548) #
Holy crap! Its like the DNC in '68 on the field with all those riot cops
_Matthew E - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:43 PM EDT (#25549) #
Can you see the crapalanche that would occur if the umps declared the game a forfeit and the Sox winners because of the fans?

I'm actually kind of hoping for that to happen. It'd be like the cherry on the sundae.
_Ron - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:43 PM EDT (#25550) #
WTF they had the riot gear all ready to go in the first place?

Gotta love NY/Boston series.

I doubt I would see the Riot Police in St. Louis!
_Pete Warren - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:43 PM EDT (#25551) #
This is just sad.

Riot police? What is this a soccer game between France and England??

what the hell.....this is unbelievable

anybody remember what Buck Martinez used to say in these situations?
robertdudek - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:43 PM EDT (#25552) #
Named for Hank,

Don't they have a scoreboard they can show replays on?
_gid - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:43 PM EDT (#25553) #
Whoa! ha ha ha.. surreal.. when the f' has this ever been done before? Good grief...
_lurd - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:43 PM EDT (#25554) #
are the riot police in play?
_Fozzy - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:44 PM EDT (#25555) #
And with the arrival of the riot police, the game has now sunk to the environment of a world trade meeting protest. I think it's time to forfeit this one and make it a game tomorrow.
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:44 PM EDT (#25556) #
I can just see it now :

"Hall of famer Whitey Ford is on the field, pleading for some sort of sanity . . . "

"And there go the pretzels . . ."
_G.T. - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:44 PM EDT (#25557) #
I'm not sure what bothers me more... the fact that they actually had all these cops in riot gear ready for something like this to happen, or the possibility that they might actually be needed.
_Rob - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:44 PM EDT (#25558) #
Wow. There are special officers in riot gear lined up along the seats in foul territory. Jon Miller is doing a great job explaining all of this, by the way.

Riot police? Just...the riot squad? What in APEC is going on?
_Thomas M - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:44 PM EDT (#25559) #
Moffat, some football (soccer- I prefer the f-word so much more than the s-word) atmosphere at a baseball game.
_Grimlock - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:45 PM EDT (#25560) #
It's heel vs. heel, man. But the Yanks are more heel. The NLCS, on the other hand, is face vs. face. Me Grimlock can understand the fans being upset too. If you're in the stands, all you see is the Red Sox getting EVERY close call. Whether it's the correct call or not, that's how it seems. Regarding the "BS" chant, me Grimlock has heard that at MLG/ACC for years. Fans are fans, wherever they are.
_G.T. - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:45 PM EDT (#25561) #
Named for Hank,

Don't they have a scoreboard they can show replays on?


When was the last time they showed something even remotely controversial on the Jumbotron?
Named For Hank - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:45 PM EDT (#25562) #
Robert, with the crowd fired up, I doubt a replay would shut them down.

Holy crap! Its like the DNC in '68 on the field with all those riot cops

That's what I thought of first, too.

When this game ends, there will be something bad.
_JayWay - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:46 PM EDT (#25563) #
Maybe the full extent of the situation is not coming through on T.V, but to me, this seems like a blatant case of overreaction.
_Jobu - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:46 PM EDT (#25564) #
WTF is going on!?!?

I write a midterm, take a nap around 4th inning, wake up and the infield is a military zone. Stop messing with my mind!!!
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:46 PM EDT (#25565) #
If A-Rod slides, does he make it? Or is he too far from the base?

He was too far to slide.

He was like an NBA guy trying to strip the ball. And getting caught. Two free throws please.
_stargurl - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:46 PM EDT (#25566) #
If I were at Yankee Stadium wearing a Boston cap, I'd be eating my cap.

Please pass the salt...
_Rob - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:47 PM EDT (#25567) #
It's like the Yankee fans are up to five stars on GTA: Vice City. One more and the army is coming in.

And we still have ONE MORE GAME to go.
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:47 PM EDT (#25568) #
I'm surprised you had any respect for the highest-paid player on The New York Mercenaries. ;)

Rob, acknowledging your emoticon, MLB has more than 700 mercenaries. Nothing wrong with wanting to get paid for what you do. And being the highest paid mercenary shouldn't, by definition, invite disrespect. Conducting yourself with such poor sportsmanship should, however. I'm still amazed, and disappointed, that we saw that from Rodriguez.

Of course none of this would have happened had ARod been called out on strikes on a pitch that was blatantly a strike -- at least outside of bizarro world where pitches over the plate and not off the plate are considered strikes.
_jsoh - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:47 PM EDT (#25569) #
When this game ends, there will be something bad.

Presuming the Yanks lose. Which. I dont think I'd bet on at this point.
_DGriebeling - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:47 PM EDT (#25570) #
They look like they're ready to pounce... I think that if there's a ball in play in the bottom of the 9th, the riot police should storm the fielder with the ball!!!

I think the riot cops are there in case the yanks won and the crowd went mad
_jsoh - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:48 PM EDT (#25571) #
WTF is going on!?!?

Sorry Jobu. I moved your stuff around again. Me Bad.
_Fozzy - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:49 PM EDT (#25572) #
It's funny, a couple of the cops were cheering the Yanks on, clapping and going 'C'mon Tanyon!' How surreal.
_Loveshack - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:49 PM EDT (#25573) #
I meant that it was against the rules for the catcher to block the plate, not for the runner to plow over the catcher. The runner is entitled to the basepath, but he must not go out of his way to dislodge the ball.

I dont know if it helps but I found this:

"Rule 7.06(b)NOTE: The catcher, without the ball in his possession, has no right to block the pathway of the runner attempting to score. The base line belongs to the runner and the catcher should be there only when he is fielding a ball or when he already has the ball in his hand."

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/official_info/official_rules/runner_7.jsp

Feel free to look around, I couldnt find anything specifically referring to knocking the ball out of a fielder's glove on first glance.
Named For Hank - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:49 PM EDT (#25574) #
JayWay, apparently there was a lot of stuff being thrown at the umpires. The Red Sox had to leave the field at one point because of the debris being thrown at them.

They just showed the riot guys along the first base line, and they're not even shoulder to shoulder, they're back to front, touching, all the way from the Sox dugout to the end of the tarp. So many of them, packed so tightly together.
Dave Till - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:50 PM EDT (#25575) #
The fact that the Yankees are using Heredia and Sturtze in a close game is just... woah. What's the point of having a $200 million payroll if you're bringing in Blue Jays discards in meaningful post-season games?
_Jobu - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:50 PM EDT (#25576) #
*dusts off his Nomar bobblehead and puts it on the other side of the room staring down jsoh*
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:50 PM EDT (#25577) #
I think in the 1980 WS (KC-Philly) in a game at Philly they did something similar in the 9th inning. Except the cops had dogs, and we were all informed of a new ground rule:

Dogs are in play.
_Rob - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:51 PM EDT (#25578) #
Jobu: See what happens when you sign your Box handle to an exam?
"If Batter's Box Jobu walks through that door, he will kill University Jobu! A Jobu divided against itself cannot stand! Worlds are colliding!"
_Jobu - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:51 PM EDT (#25579) #
Aside from Whitey Ford, you know what this scene reminds me of

Mr. Burns arbitrarily decides to end the game a la the retirement party and releases the guards.
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:52 PM EDT (#25580) #
If that's the case, I hope that nobody brought Torre his 2,000 jello moulds.
Named For Hank - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:52 PM EDT (#25581) #
I was perusing the giant book that is the complete rules of golf, and there are different rules for live dogs and dead dogs. (Dead dogs are considered loose impediments, which you may move; live dogs must be left alone, and if they move your ball too bad for you.)
_jsoh - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:53 PM EDT (#25582) #
Hmmm. First and second. One out. Two consecutive pop-ups.

Where have I seen that before?
_A - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:53 PM EDT (#25583) #
Let me get this straight...NYPD felt it so pressing to protect these multi-millionaires standing on grass and dirt that they sent out the Emergency Task Force? Imagine if something bad happened in another part of NYC that might actually justify a presence like that. This is just another example of police being an institution to protect private property and society's elite. (Surprise? not at all. Disappointment? absolutely).
_Jobu - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:53 PM EDT (#25584) #
Yes Rob, I see what I've done wrong now. From now on no exams on days with baseball. If my profs cant deal with that, its Teatherd Swimming for them.
_Ron - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:53 PM EDT (#25585) #
Woah Foulke is coming in. 3rd straight day.

I assume if the Red Sox hold on and it's a tight game tommorow Foulke will pitch again which would make it 4 days in a row of pitching.

Don't remember the last time that happened.
_jsoh - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:54 PM EDT (#25586) #
*dusts off his Nomar bobblehead and puts it on the other side of the room staring down jsoh*

Hey Nomah! Were you doggin' it in Beantown this summer?

(watches Nomah nod)

Such honesty. Such class.
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:54 PM EDT (#25587) #
I think the riot cops are there in case the yanks won and the crowd went mad

Nothing says hooray like criminal activity.
_Matthew E - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:54 PM EDT (#25588) #
If my profs cant deal with that, its Teatherd Swimming for them.

Is that where you drive a group of breasts into the water?
_jsoh - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:55 PM EDT (#25589) #
Wait a sec. Its the bottom of the 9th, and they're removing the riot cops?
_Thomas M - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:55 PM EDT (#25590) #
Does MLB fine teams, if their fans are mad? They do in football: first a fine and if stuff occurs again the club has to play before an empty crowd or in a diffrent city. How about Game 7 at SkyDome?
_DGriebeling - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:55 PM EDT (#25591) #
Hey, where do you guys think you're going? There's still trouble a-brewin'

(And still no ejections, Jobu!!! If you told me it woulda been extra innings, riot police, balls thrown on the field, A-Rod girl-slapping, a lot of hit batsmen.... I would have changed my over/under a week ago)
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:56 PM EDT (#25592) #
Apparently, the cops were only there to protect Tanyon Sturtze (who needs this kind of protection at all times, bad calls or no bad calls)
Named For Hank - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:56 PM EDT (#25593) #
A, they came in so fast that they must have been there already. But I agree, that's definitely not their job.

They've left the field now.
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:57 PM EDT (#25594) #
This is just another example of police being an institution to protect private property and society's elite.

A, I'm aware of your history (that you shared with Bauxites earlier in the summer) that may be colouring your view on this. I believe cops at ball games are all on overtime, paid by the team and not by the taxpayers. I may be wrong, but I believe this to be the case.
_Jobu - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:57 PM EDT (#25595) #
I dont understand how its possible to NOT have any ejections yet. Well, at least it wasn't free pretzle day.
_A - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:58 PM EDT (#25596) #
A, they came in so fast that they must have been there already

I'd say that goes to prove my point even further...Thanks for the play-by-play on the police situation.
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:58 PM EDT (#25597) #
"[Matsui's walk] is as bad as a homerun"

Your views are intriguing to me. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
_jsoh - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:59 PM EDT (#25598) #
But I agree, that's definitely not their job.

But are they on duty cops? My uncle lived next to a Toronto PD officer, and ISTR that when he did 'security' at Jays games he wasnt pulling a normal duty shift to do so.

I dont know if that was true, or if its applicable in this case.
_G.T. - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:00 AM EDT (#25599) #
"[Matsui's walk] is as bad as a homerun"

I wonder if McCarver will amend that if the Sox get a DP...
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:00 AM EDT (#25600) #
http://www.thebravest.com/fdny.htm
Anybody interested can COMN and listen to the emergency radio frequencies in New York to try and hear anything about the game on the other side of the thin blue line.
_Pete Warren - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:00 AM EDT (#25601) #
Foulke looks like he has lipstick on...LOL
_A - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:00 AM EDT (#25602) #
I believe cops at ball games are all on overtime, paid by the team and not by the taxpayers.

So the social elite get to rent people legally permitted to use deadly force to protect themselves from the common folk? Still unsettling in my books.
_G.T. - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:02 AM EDT (#25603) #
A, they came in so fast that they must have been there already. But I agree, that's definitely not their job.

Of course it is. I doubt they were "diverted" from other areas. They obviously knew far in advance that they might be needed, they're all probably getting Overtime pay and get to hang around Yankee Stadium, where "everyone" wants to be. I'm sure they were all there for Games 1 and 2, as well.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:02 AM EDT (#25604) #
I was chatting with a doctor in the stands at Fenway. He had great seats about five rows behind the home dugout. He is given the seats and is paid by the Red Sox a small token amount to be an on-call emergency doctor. He and a few other doctors split the gig. The money is bad, but he gets to watch usually about half of every game he comes to from excellent seats that he couldn't afford to buy.

If there were a deal in place with those police officers like that, I'd be fine with it.
_G.T. - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:03 AM EDT (#25605) #
So the social elite get to rent people legally permitted to use deadly force to protect themselves from the common folk?

Common folk? At the price of a field level ticket? I think not.
_DGriebeling - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:03 AM EDT (#25606) #
You prefer the other option, A? Rowdy fans attack the players, not enough security on hand (or not enough professional security) causing the deaths of not only players, but also people lost in the stampede?

Sure, worst case scenario, but sometimes a small semblance of order and justice can bring order and justice back to a situation.
_lurd - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:06 AM EDT (#25607) #
WTF - that was strike 3
_G.T. - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:07 AM EDT (#25608) #
With the chance to win the series, the 3rd-stringer's at the plate. I'd love to know what Giambi's thinking now...
_6-4-3 - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:07 AM EDT (#25609) #
Oh Foulke . . .
Named For Hank - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:07 AM EDT (#25610) #
I wonder if they had so many riot officers there and ready to go because of fear of terrorism?
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:08 AM EDT (#25611) #
I'd love to know what Giambi's thinking now

"If I'm not on the active roster, does that mean I can grow my beard out again?"
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:09 AM EDT (#25612) #
Recent highlights from SoSH

You @#%$ owe us on that one Joe West! Call him out! Now!! Call him out!!!

The only thing we need to happen now is for Leiter to bludgeon McCarver to death on camera.

That's a play that if a kid did it in a Little League game, he wouldn't get ice cream after the game.

I was just mincing my way down the line like always! I always dance like the sharks and jets from West Side Story as I go down to first!"

That was dirty as Karl Rove.

Quantrill on the mound is like one of those moments in the national geographic specials when the Thompson's Gazelle fawn gets separated from its mother and a leopard closes in.

A-Rod has the gayest lips ever. Ever.

The Toilet is now a police state!

Yankee Stadium is starting to resemble Nuremburg.

Fans seem a bit subdued and embarrassed in the face of all those Glocks.
_G.T. - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:09 AM EDT (#25613) #
Would Kenny Lofton be a better option at this point?
_6-4-3 - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:09 AM EDT (#25614) #
No.
_Thomas M - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:10 AM EDT (#25615) #
A, you need police when there are lots of people in a small space and things can get out of hand. We need cops at demonstrations ( even when they are for peace...) at Rock concerts ( more than at classic concerts I guess) at definatly sports events where there's a huge dislike of the fans. What's your problem with that?
_6-4-3 - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:10 AM EDT (#25616) #
Game 7? Why not?
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:10 AM EDT (#25617) #
What a game.

What a god damn game.
_Rob - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:10 AM EDT (#25618) #
See, I would pinch-run with Lofton here...oh, never mind.

GAME SEVEN!
_A - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:10 AM EDT (#25619) #
I wonder if they had so many riot officers there and ready to go because of fear of terrorism?

I don't even want to start addressing that possibility. Instead I'm off to watch the Daily Show :-)
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:11 AM EDT (#25620) #
oooooooooh boy. Its going to be a circus tomorrow.

Magpie, keep those SoSH updates coming :)
Named For Hank - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:11 AM EDT (#25621) #
Heh, did anyone else see the umpires get the hell off the field as fast as humanly possible in the background while the Red Sox were celebrating?

I'm goin' to bed.
_lurd - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:11 AM EDT (#25622) #
someone hold me

patchwork quilt for game 7 - hope the knuckler is dancing
_R Billie - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:11 AM EDT (#25623) #
The Red Sox (and just as importantly the Yankees) make history in the first series to see a game seven after one team was up 3-0. Well it had to happen sooner or later.
_DGriebeling - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:12 AM EDT (#25624) #
http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~scottfarrar/arodswat/arodswat01.jpg
A picture of the A-Rod swap if you COMN
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:12 AM EDT (#25625) #
Be prepared folks. Regardless the outcome of game 7, this series is going to be rammed down our throats for years, possibly decades to come.
_G.T. - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:12 AM EDT (#25626) #
Was that grey-haired guy in the Yankee dugout Tony Clark?

No way should he have been at the plate in that situation, in my book.
_gid - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:12 AM EDT (#25627) #
Personally, I think the Yankees should have hired the Hells Angels instead.
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:13 AM EDT (#25628) #
See. The difference between Schilling and Pedro is that when Schilling is gassed, he goes to the manager and says "Tito. I'm gassed. Bring that spunky Arroyo kid in".

Pedro, on the other hand, says "Gassed? You see the way I tossed that Zimmer guy around? I'm plenty fine. Go siddown".
_Thomas M - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:14 AM EDT (#25629) #
More cops tomorrow? Like one cop sitting on the lap of each fan? While entering the stadium fans can pick their cop of the day, first come first serve? Could address new audiences to baseball.
_G.T. - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:14 AM EDT (#25630) #
Francona hints that D-Lowe might start tomorrow, though the decision hasn't been made yet.
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:14 AM EDT (#25631) #
Francona just said "Probably D.Lowe" tomorrow night - he's probably got a little more left in the tank than Wakefield.

"But we're going to go in and talk about it."

Not too often we see "Starter Not Determined" when it's Game 7 and its less than 20 hours away...
_Rob - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:15 AM EDT (#25632) #
Whatever happened to that rain? Wasn't there supposed to be rain?
_Chuck Van Den C - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:15 AM EDT (#25633) #
I wish baseball weren't such a boring sport.

Memo to Fox: Quit the ADHD television direction already. The fans are tense. We do not need to see close-ups of them between every pitch. We get it.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:16 AM EDT (#25634) #
Common mistake Rob, it sounded like the weather man said "perdiction: rain" but he actually said "prediction: pain" and then "I pity da fool".
_Ron - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:17 AM EDT (#25635) #
If the riot police aren't at Yankee Stadium then the terrorists win!
_DGriebeling - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:18 AM EDT (#25636) #
http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~scottfarrar/arodswat/
Here's a whole directory of pics from the game... wow, that was quick

COMN
_R Billie - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:18 AM EDT (#25637) #
A picture of the A-Rod swap if you COMN

Yeah, yeah, yeah, do the A-Rod shuffle!
_Chuck Van Den C - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:18 AM EDT (#25638) #
See. The difference between Schilling and Pedro is that when Schilling is gassed, he goes to the manager and says "Tito. I'm gassed. Bring that spunky Arroyo kid in".

Did Schilling really say that? That would be entirely out of his character. And it seemed that Francona told Schilling he was being pulled as he entered the dugout, not after a conversation.
robertdudek - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:21 AM EDT (#25639) #
Didn't they have fighter planes protecting the ballparks during the 2001 playoffs?
_6-4-3 - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:21 AM EDT (#25640) #
Yeah, the announcers claimed that Francona didn't give Schill the choice, he just hugged him after he finished the 7th and said "you're through"
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:21 AM EDT (#25641) #
*Jobu dropping to his knees screaming to the sky as he suddenly realizes he has to work tomorrow night*

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
_DGriebeling - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:22 AM EDT (#25642) #
Didn't they have fighter planes protecting the ballparks during the 2001 playoffs?

They had a stealth bomber do a fly-by for Game 7 of the WS... but I doubt that if a fan threw something onto the field, it would take out the fan.... :-)
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:23 AM EDT (#25643) #
Did Schilling really say that?

Thats how I interpreted his comments to the Fox sideline dude. He pretty much said that he didnt have anything left at the end of the 7th, and he told Tito that.

Now. Francona says that they were contemplating yanking him after the 5th, so it certainly is possible that Francona pulled him first.
robertdudek - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:23 AM EDT (#25644) #
Yeah, the announcers claimed that Francona didn't give Schill the choice, he just hugged him after he finished the 7th and said "you're through"

That's what a real manager does. He does not go to mound and ask his star pitcher if he wants to stay in the game.
_Chuck Van Den C - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:24 AM EDT (#25645) #
Don't expect hand shaking after game 7. It seems that MLB brass doesn't endorse class. Go figure.
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:25 AM EDT (#25646) #
The difference between Schilling and Pedro

But strangely enough, the game Red Sox fans keep referring to when they look for another comp in the litany of great gutsy pitching performances of all time is none other than Pedro Martinez coming out of the bullpen with a bad shoulder against the Indians in 1999 and working six perfect innings with basically nothing but guts and guile and his own mystique...
robertdudek - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:28 AM EDT (#25647) #
Actually, I agree that it should not be a forced thing. If the losing team comes on the field and wants to do it, that is a grand gesture. The winners, even someone like Nolan Ryan, should be comfortable accepting congratulations. The spontaneity of what the Dodgers did was what made it great.
_Jim - TBG - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:28 AM EDT (#25648) #
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com
Anybody else having Buckner flashbacks when that ball rolled down the right field line? Great work by the umpires, and proof that

Jeters never prosper.

I would suggest that it's probably a prudent move to have a couple dozen riot police standing by whenever 50,000 emotional New Yorkers congregate.
_G.T. - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:29 AM EDT (#25649) #
He does not go to mound and ask his star pitcher if he wants to stay in the game.

According to an excellent article in this week's SI, Grady's failings go further than that. Pedro left the mound in last year's Game 7, talked to the pitching coach, and thought he was done.

According to Pedro, Grady said "I'll tell you what, Petey... Why don't you try to start the eighth. I might even send you out there just to warm up".

I guess Grady is a Kerry speechwriter, because he then (again, according to Pedro) said "Help is on the way".
_James W - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:30 AM EDT (#25650) #
Having police in riot gear at the game shouldn't seem too odd. There was a very likely opportunity for the Yankees to finish the series tonight, and fans can do very strange things when their team wins, or loses, a series. Think riots in Vancouver and Montreal for hockey, Boston for football.
Pistol - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:45 AM EDT (#25651) #
I just watched some of the news conferences.

I had assumed that Schilling just took a pain killing shot in the ankle and that was the extent of pregame work.

I couldn't tell exactly what they did, but it sounded like they did a type of surgical procedure to keep the tendon from popping during the game. It was extensive enough where Schilling had to get stitches to close the area (which is where the blood you saw on his sock came from).

Pretty amazing.
Pistol - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:46 AM EDT (#25652) #
The spontaneity of what the Dodgers did was what made it great.

I read that it was pre-arranged. Larry Walker pitched the idea prior to game 5 to LaRussa who liked it and pitched it to Tracy who agreed.
robertdudek - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:58 AM EDT (#25653) #
Well it looked spontaneous ;-) In any case, it was an idea that originated among the participants.
Craig B - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 01:01 AM EDT (#25654) #
They had a stealth bomber do a fly-by for Game 7 of the WS... but I doubt that if a fan threw something onto the field, it would take out the fan.... :-)

DGriebeling is *ridiculously* soft on terrorism.
_Fozzy - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 01:03 AM EDT (#25655) #
Memo to Fox: Quit the ADHD television direction already. The fans are tense. We do not need to see close-ups of them between every pitch. We get it.

And while we're at it, quit with the close-ups of Jeter, A-Rod and Manny! I feel like I've been on a very long, annoying 4-hour man-date we've been so close, especially to Jeter's mystic eyes; he's so clutch!
Craig B - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 01:04 AM EDT (#25656) #
Incidentally, A-Rod didn't break anyone's arm, so equating this with Fick is really sort of out of place. Anyway, two fine reversed calls tonight by an extremely impressive umpiring crew.
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 01:08 AM EDT (#25657) #
Derek Lowe on two days rest....

The bad news - he has a history of just stinking out the joint in Yankee Stadium, and after tonight there's no way he'll have Pokey in the infield behind him.

The good news - sinker ballers are often more effective when they're a little tired.

If the Yankees lose - and God, that is one big if - but if his New York Yankees complete the greatest collapse in post-season history what does George do?

Whose heads will roll? Torre? Cashman?

Will they try to somehow climb out from under Kevin Brown's contract? Jason Giambi's?

Which free agents will he chase? Beltran? Pavano? Pedro Martinez? Tino Martinez?
Leigh - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 01:22 AM EDT (#25658) #
Jobu dropping to his knees screaming to the sky as he suddenly realizes he has to work tomorrow night

Jobu, when I was nineteen years old I had a job working at a conference centre. During one shift in December of 1999, my boss came up to and said, "hey, somebody just booked the place for a small New Year party on the night of the 31st". Being nineteen years old, and wanting desperately to party hard with my friends on the millenium New Year's Eve (and thus not be stuck at work), I replied "do I have the night off, or do I have to quit?"

This, Jobu, is what you must do.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 01:36 AM EDT (#25660) #
That's not a bad idea, even though they'll most likely tell me to quit. Or I could call in sick. My shift is till 10 though, and if the game stats at "8" that could be 8:30....A.L. play, I might not even miss that many innings!

I know.... enternal optimist.
_Fozzy - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 01:36 AM EDT (#25661) #
I replied "do I have the night off, or do I have to quit?"

Leigh, I need closure on that story; did you quit? Don't leave me hanging here!
Leigh - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 01:47 AM EDT (#25662) #
Leigh, I need closure

I got the night off.
_Fozzy - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 01:54 AM EDT (#25663) #
Leigh, I need closure
I got the night off.


Hooray for Zoidburg! ... I mean Leigh!
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 02:03 AM EDT (#25664) #
A quote from Rodriguez. He fesses up, sort of:

"Once I reached out and tried to knock the ball, the call went against me. I should have just run over him."
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 02:08 AM EDT (#25665) #
I should have just run over him

Or just tackled that big stud, eh A-Rod?
_braden - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 02:14 AM EDT (#25666) #
I feel like I've been on a very long, annoying 4-hour man-date we've been so close, especially to Jeter's mystic eyes; he's so clutch!

You forgot to mention the intangibles!
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 02:36 AM EDT (#25667) #
I STILL can't believe that the ejection pool lasted till 7 games and that the pool survived tonights kookiness
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 02:40 AM EDT (#25668) #
I just realized that technicaly "tomorrow" is my B-Day. Sweet... Im stocking up on beer.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 03:07 AM EDT (#25669) #
Hmmmmmmmm......

Stromboulopoulos makes a good argument.
_JackFoley - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 06:07 AM EDT (#25670) #
And it's a great meal.
_Virginia - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 11:37 AM EDT (#25671) #
http://www.unofficialvirginia.com
Derek Lowe? The Gods are very, very cruel.
_Lime - Wednesday, October 20 2004 @ 12:36 PM EDT (#25672) #
Heredia only faced the Twins twice as a Blue Jay, and didn't give up any runs. Ortiz homered off Lyon at the Dome on April 5, 2002, maybe that's what you were thinking about. (He also homered against Steve Parris in Minnesota.)

Actually I was thinking of Borbon!

This was a time where I was just getting familiar with Ortiz. Judging from his size I assumed he was major power threat. Then when his stats line came up he had only 1 homerun (and I believe it was in the middle of the season). I thought that was odd, then suddenly he takes Borbon yard.
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