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Orioles 9 - Jays 5

  1. Recaps:
    • Spencer Fordin:

        The dichotomy was evident early. Toronto's evening was defined by a powerful player and a powerless pitcher on Friday night, when the Orioles controlled the action and earned a 9-5 series-clinching win.

        "The first night against these guys, we fell behind 5-0. Big hill to climb. Then tonight, we were down by six runs," said Toronto manager John Gibbons. "You've got to figure, with their offense, you need to climb back and score some runs. They're dangerous."

        All of the offense could be boiled down to two men. Vernon Wells drove in all four of the home team's runs and Miguel Batista allowed seven of Baltimore's nine runs. Wells homered twice, including his first career shot into SkyDome's fifth deck. Meanwhile, Batista walked four batters and failed to make it out of the third inning.

    • Gary Washburn:

        B.J. Ryan is looking more and more like a potential closer, despite manager Lee Mazzilli's insistence that he's merely a setup man.

        Ryan has been prepping two years for a chance to be a closer, although 25-year-old Jorge Julio, who has had a shaky season at best, still holds the responsibility. On Thursday night at SkyDome, Ryan continued to show his importance to the Orioles' bullpen by getting the club out of a big jam in the seventh inning of a 9-5 win over the Blue Jays.

    • Mike Rutsey:

        Miguel Batista and Josh Towers appear to be ships sailing in opposite directions. Towers, who missed his past two starts with soreness in back of his right shoulder, is bubbling with enthusiasm over the prospect of being back in action as he gets the start tonight against the Devil Rays.

        Batista, on the other hand, looks like a guy who can't wait for the season to end.

    • Larry Millson:

        Ryan Glynn replaced Batista in the third inning last night and pitched four runless innings.

        Orioles starter Rodrigo Lopez, 13-8, gave up four runs, three earned, in six innings plus two batters (118 pitches, 78 strikes). The Orioles' third pitcher of the game, left-hander B. J. Ryan, retired three batters in the seventh after the Blue Jays had scored once to make the score 7-4 and had the bases loaded with none out.

        Rafael Palmeiro homered (No. 19) for the Orioles in the ninth inning against Kerry Ligtenberg. Blue Jays third baseman Eric Hinske dropped a routine pop-up by the next batter for his team's third error of the night, which said a lot about the game.

    • Mark Zwolinski:

        The Jays had a chance last night to renew their acquaintance with Toronto sports fans jolted by the NHL lockout. They came up with some costly errors, spotty starting pitching, and heroics by Vernon Wells.

        Same old Jays.

        Wells was at his best last night, smacking a pair of long homers and racking up four RBIs in a 9-5 loss to Baltimore before an announced crowd of 21,451 at the SkyDome that was actually well below half that.



  2. Fordin Notes on Miguel Batista:

      They've seen enough.

      Miguel Batista's erratic campaign as a starter is over, or at least put on hiatus. The Blue Jays are going to try the right-hander as a reliever, testing his arm in late-inning situations. That move comes after he lost six of his last seven decisions, sinking his record to 10-12 for the season.

      "We're working on seeing what's going to happen for next year. We might try, in the 15 games that are left, making me a short reliever," said Batista after Thursday night's 9-5 setback. "I've relieved before. I've been in almost every relief situation -- short and long. ... If I can pitch every day, I've got to try."

    In reverse chronological order, here are stats from Batista's last ten starts:

    1. 3.1 IP, 2 HR, 2 BB, 2 K
    2. 7.0 IP, 0 HR, 6 BB, 1 K
    3. 7.0 IP, 1 HR, 2 BB, 0 K
    4. 5.1 IP, 1 HR, 4 BB, 2 K
    5. 4.0 IP, 0 HR, 2 BB, 2 K
    6. 6.1 IP, 0 HR, 5 BB, 0 K
    7. 5.0 IP, 2 HR, 2 BB, 3 K
    8. 7.0 IP, 2 HR, 3 BB, 4 K
    9. 7.0 IP, 1 HR, 2 BB, 1 K
    10. 6.0 IP, 1 HR, 2 BB, 4 K

    Do you see a single decent start in there? I sure don't.

    I'm not going to win any friends in the organization by saying this, but I have to: What took you guys so long? Miguel Batista has clearly not been Miguel Batista lately. There's something obviously wrong with him, and throwing a guy out there who is pitching hurt does not help the player nor the team. I can't count how many games the Jays have thrown away the last few years by throwing a pitcher out there who was clearly not himself. That's inexcusable when you keep 12 to 13 arms on your roster like the Jays often do.

    Pitchers get hurt at an alarming rate to begin with, but it seems the Jays pitchers do so an above average rate. I'd love to see statistics on that; I'm just speculating that it's true. Perhaps the Jays need to look into their training staff or in installing a new mound in the Dome.

    I'm just curious why the Jays are putting Batista in the pen rather than shutting him down entirely. There's a great deal I don't know about the situation, so on this one I'll give the Jays the benefit of the doubt.

  3. Rutsey Notes on Roy Halladay:

      Roy Halladay yesterday threw a three-inning simulated game, his final tuneup before his scheduled return to the Blue Jays rotation next Tuesday in New York.

      "He threw 15 pitches, sat down for five to six minutes, then threw another 15 pitches -- he did that three times," manager John Gibbons said. "Everything went well."

      Hitting against Halladay was the trio of Dave Berg, Eric Crozier and Kevin Cash. Gibbons said that Cash hit one out against Halladay.


  4. Tonight's 7:05PM EST start at the Dome: RHP Doug Waechter (3-7, 5.77 ERA) vs. Josh Towers (RHP Josh Towers 9-5, 4.66 ERA). More details in Spencer Fordin's game preview.

  5. In other news, check out yesterday's fan of the game.


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_Rob C - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 11:05 AM EDT (#34701) #
Let's hail a van, drive down to the Jays offices, and demand answers right now!
_Blue in SK - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 11:25 AM EDT (#34702) #
The Batista to the bullpen sure came out of left field. He has the velocity for relief, but if he can't continue to give up walks especially in the late innings.

Who fills the spot in he rotation for this year? and next year?
_Blue in SK - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 11:26 AM EDT (#34703) #
Please omit the word "if" in the above post. My bad.
_Moffatt - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 11:29 AM EDT (#34704) #
Let's hail a van, drive down to the Jays offices, and demand answers right now!

LOL. Nice one. You win 200 million points for identifying Van Halen's Right Now. You win a picture I found when doing a google image search for "Right Now":



as well as a picture of a Mako Shark:



RE: My comments about Batista.

I don't want to give the impression that I think JP, Tony, Keith, the coaching staff, et. al. are doing a bad job. Just the opposite, I think they've been doing a great job. But nobody is perfect. The handling of the pitching staff is something that has bugged me for awhile.

Who fills the spot in he rotation for this year? and next year?

Probably Batista. I think he'll be back in the rotation next year.
_David A - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 11:31 AM EDT (#34705) #
maybe it's just my need for more sleep, but I could've sworn the Jays actually lost 9-5 last night. Way to keep us on our toes Moffat.
_Moffatt - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 11:32 AM EDT (#34706) #
maybe it's just my need for more sleep, but I could've sworn the Jays actually lost 9-5 last night. Way to keep us on our toes Moffat.

Way to keep me on my toes. Thanks. :)
Pistol - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 11:33 AM EDT (#34707) #
19 Ks in his last 58 innings. I think it's pretty clear Batista's not healthy.
_Wildrose - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 11:41 AM EDT (#34708) #
I think moving Batista to the bull-pen might make some sense if you believe his problems are related to poor mechanics.

No doubt he's got a great arm consistently hitting 95-97 with his fastball. His problem is finding a consistent release point. Perhaps as a reliever getting up to throw 6-7 times a week ,and then getting into 4-5 games per week will improve his arm slot with a lot more repetition.

Both Batista and the team seem totally frustrated by his struggles. Personally I think he's too cerebral. He claims to have 9 different pitches. I'd like to see him get command of 2 of those and start throwing them on a consistent basis.
_Rob C - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 11:46 AM EDT (#34709) #
Thank you, Moffatt, I am honoured.

If Batista's high intelligence is a hindrance, then maybe the Jays should be looking in the other direction. Who is our generation's Rube Waddell?
_Jordan - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 11:47 AM EDT (#34710) #
Is it Batista's health that's the problem, though? Neither his velocity nor his movement seem to be down particularly, and those are the two most common signs of an arm injury. Batista just can't find the strike zone, and it appears that he simply doesn't know where his pitches are going to end up. To me, that's more of a mental, and maybe a mechanical issue. It might also be tied to pitch selection. Young pitchers often overthrow when they're struggling; Batista, who has about 6 or 8 pitches in his bag, might be trying to overcompensate for his control issues by being too unpredictable or too electric.

The bullpen seems to be as good a place as any to put him for now -- if short outings can encourage him to drop two or three of his less effective pitches and work on his three best ones, then all the better. But he needs to straighten up and fly right back to the rotation next year -- the Jays aren't paying him that kind of money to be a setup man. I don't think he's a closer by nature, and I don't want anyone pitching in the ninth inning whose command isn't pinpoint. This team needs 200 solid innings from Batista next year, or they're not going anywhere.

Sigh. Just another needle in the voodoo doll that has become the Jays' 2004 campaign.
_Tassle - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 11:50 AM EDT (#34711) #
Yeah, I was kind of thinking the exact same thing. It was like Billy Beane was talking about in Moneyball, he thought about everything far too much to be an effective ball player. I've been thinking that with his arm, Miguel could be one of the premier starters in the game if he pitched instinctively and didn't force himself to overthink every situation. Then again, Jamie Moyer has had success doing just that, so maybe I'm way off.
_Moffatt - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 11:50 AM EDT (#34712) #
To me, that's more of a mental, and maybe a mechanical issue.

You might be right. I don't have film or anything, but to me he just doesn't look the same as he did earlier in the season. He's mechanics seem to be off, which can often be the sign of some sort of injury to the mid-section or groin. You're right, though, it's not entirely evident that he's injured. Just call it a hunch.
_Jordan - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 11:56 AM EDT (#34713) #
Gibbons said that Cash hit one out against Halladay.

File this one under "bad omen."
_Wildrose - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 12:21 PM EDT (#34714) #
Mike I tend to agree with you about his motion looking somehow different. I think his nagging bad back makes him look pretty stiff. All lot of his pitches are high and wide, he just doesn't seem to finish his pitches down in the strike zone.

I guess the question is do you shut him down, or do you work with him intently to get back on beam?
_Moffatt - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 12:26 PM EDT (#34715) #
I guess the question is do you shut him down, or do you work with him intently to get back on beam?

Good question. I guess it depends on the nature of the injury and how well it would respond to rest.

Given that the Jays know exponentially more about it than I do, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
_Spartan - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 12:46 PM EDT (#34716) #
JP has talked about getting another starter, and with our croweded rotation I don't see where there will be room once the younger guys start coming up. So maybe this bullpen move is for good. Perhaps Batista can be a reliable closer?
_Moffatt - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 12:59 PM EDT (#34717) #
It was just brought to my attention that I didn't post the actual Fordin Notes. Link #2 was to a seperate stand-alone story. Here's what you missed:

Fordin Notes on Greg Myers, Roy Halladay, and Barry Bonds:

    As the entire baseball world knows by now, Bonds is on the verge of 700 homers. The Blue Jays have just 686, fueled by 333 from Carlos Delgado and capped off by a surprising two by Miguel Batista. If you add a trio of injured players -- Frank Catalanotto, Greg Myers and Bobby Estalella -- the total gets significantly higher, but those three combined to hit just one homer for the Jays this season.

    Toronto may not catch the San Francisco slugger anytime soon, either. Delgado is eligible for free agency, and he's the only player with more than 100 homers. In fact, only three of the healthy Jays are above 50, and one of them may not be one of your first guesses: Vernon Wells (76), Chris Gomez (55) and Eric Hinske (51).


Sorry about that, Mr. Fordin.
Coach - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 01:17 PM EDT (#34718) #
File this one under "bad omen."

Very funny.

Perhaps Batista can be a reliable closer?

I see Batista as he described himself when he arrived: willing to do whatever it takes for the team. Pitch on short rest, relieve, it was all OK. I've suspected something is physically wrong since the Aug. 8 game against the Yankees. Maybe not a serious injury, but enough aggravation to affect his stuff. A hint of self-doubt can erode confidence when a player knows he's less than 100%, and with a pitcher, that's reflected in command.

Agreeing to move to the bullpen is typical of Miguel, and may be the best way he can contribute for the rest of this year. If he's great in the role, it does present an interesting option for 2005. If he isn't, it may not prove that he's unsuited to closing as much as it confirms he's hurting. I fully expect him to be back in the rotation in April as the same guy who didn't make many bad starts from late April to early August.

The handling of the pitching staff is something that has bugged me for awhile.

I'm not qualified to say that one pitching coach is better than another. It takes quite a few years to earn a reputation like Leo Mazzone, because even he has failures. What Jason Marquis is doing this year, for example, doesn't prove that Dave Duncan is "better" than Mazzone. It could be coincidence, or perhaps Duncan found the right buttons to push. Leo wasn't on the same page as Jason Schmidt a while back. However, he has developed enough pitchers and improved so many others to be considered the best.

Nobody's perfect; not everyone can be Atlanta. The Jays do have room for improvement, especially in the bullpen.
Pistol - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 01:35 PM EDT (#34719) #
JP has talked about getting another starter, and with our crowded rotation I don't see where there will be room once the younger guys start coming up

I wouldn't call the Toronto rotation crowded. Towers and Miller can be upgraded upon pretty easily. If the Jays signed someone it'd probably be a veteran pitcher on a one year deal (maybe a Brett Tomko-like pitcher). However, I'd be surprised if the team made a move there. They seemed to be more concentrated on the offense and bullpen at this point.

Plus, there isn't anyone in the minors that I think would be a candidate to start for the Jays in 2005.

However, in 2006 some decisions will have to be made as Rosario, Banks and McGowan should all be making their way North at some point during the year. And if Purcey or Jackson happen to get on the 'Bush plan' they could force some decisions to be made as well. Depending on how the season goes next year trading Lilly (who is only signed through 2005 right now) is a possibility.
_MatO - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 04:13 PM EDT (#34720) #
There was a short article in the Star in mid to late August which said that Batista had I think a groin problem. I don't know why they have let him continue to pitch if that is the case.
_Keith Talent - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 04:19 PM EDT (#34721) #
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=kruk/040917
A good John Kruk today, COMN.
_Evair Montenegr - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 04:49 PM EDT (#34722) #
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/cpress/20040917/ca_pr_on_ba/bbl_prospect_arrest&e=1&ncid=
COMN Curtis Thigpen was arrested for DUI.
_Magpie - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 04:52 PM EDT (#34723) #
I can't put my finger on it, but something in Batista's motion sure looks different these days. He doesn't look balanced or something. It could certainly be a back issue.

He also looks like he's aiming the ball. Which never works.

I know Coach points at the August 8 start, but I think something hasppened in mid-June. He was effective in July, but he had already stopped striking out people.
_Ducey - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 06:06 PM EDT (#34724) #
Curtis Thigpen was arrested for DUI.

Well at least he was not speeding. Man, can this season get any worse?
Thomas - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 06:06 PM EDT (#34725) #
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1883691
Does anyone know which book Rob Neyer is referring to in this article? COMN.
_6-4-3 - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 06:16 PM EDT (#34726) #
http://www.robneyer.com/OneDayFenway.html
It's "One Day at Fenway: A Day in the Life of Baseball in America" by Steve Kettmann. COMN for Neyer's full explanation.
Craig B - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 08:55 PM EDT (#34727) #
Well, I've been gone all week. What did I miss?
_Keith Talent - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 08:30 AM EDT (#34728) #
Thomas, I would guess that it's "One Day at Fenway" by Steve Kettman. I'm not sure about that though, but it fits the profile.
_Keith Talent - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 08:31 AM EDT (#34729) #
Woops: didn't see you there 6-4-3.
_Keith Talent - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 08:19 PM EDT (#34730) #
Thanks for the full story, 6-4-3. Boy, did Rob Neyer ever act like an amateur sissy over that "One Day at Fenway". The more he justifies what he did the worse it sounds. Literary envy is so easy to spot, Neyer is exposed.
_Rob - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 08:46 PM EDT (#34731) #
6-4-3, how did you get to Neyer's explanation? I couldn't naviagte to it from robneyer.com at all...
_Keith Talent - Sunday, September 19 2004 @ 12:17 AM EDT (#34732) #
Rob, just click on 6-4-3's name above.
_Rob - Sunday, September 19 2004 @ 12:40 AM EDT (#34733) #
No, I already read it just fine -- all 5 Postscripts -- but I wondered how one would get to that without knowing the exact URL. There doesn't seem to be a link to it on the main page.

Example: Here at BB, you can find Craig's 2003 NCAA rankings on this page, without having to know "http://www.battersbox.ca/archives/00001509.shtml".

But the Neyer article doesn't seem to be linked on his web page in the same way that "Rob & Rany", "I DON'T KNOW WHO TO VOTE FOR!", and "The 700 Club Coulda-beens" are.

Forget it. I'm just confusing people. I read the story and Neyer sounds like a jealous whiner. Let's all forget about it now and think of dirty puns with "Lugnuts" and "man-strength" featured prominently. ;)
_6-4-3 - Sunday, September 19 2004 @ 02:11 AM EDT (#34734) #
I found it because I was looking for it. I read about Neyer's "review" somewhere, so I googled something along the lines of "rob neyer pseudonym book review" (I might've thrown fenway in somewhere, but those words do bring up Neyer's page from google) and got to that page.

Absolutely hillarious thing: after Neyer whines about how anyone (including himself, apparently) can flood Amazon with positive / negative reviews, Rob Neyer uses an anonymous Amazon review to promote his own Green Monster book.
_Keith Talent - Sunday, September 19 2004 @ 11:24 AM EDT (#34735) #
I'm confounded by Neyer's behaviour. Firing off an anonymous comment is certainly forgivable - especially if it was done in the wee hours after a few cups of beer. But to go on and on about the unfairness of customer comments on Amazon, raise a stink, draw attention to it on ESPN.com, generally obsessing for weeks over it seems psychotic. This is not the behaviour of a professional.

Neyer seriously needs a vacation if he gets so riled over customer comments on Amazon. Does anyone take those things seriously? I laughed to myself when Neyer claimed the Amazon people told him a technical glitch erased all the comments. Obviously, Amazon thought Neyer was more trouble than those comments were worth and erased them on purpose, blaming computer error. That's the beauty of working in tech, do what you want and blame the technology.

As for the Newsday editor omitting Neyer's side of the story: good move. Newsday is an outlet for juicy stories, not half-cocked justifications.

I never would have heard of all this if it weren't Neyer's posting on ESPN.com. Without that all this would have just been some rumour. Now, Neyer has irrevocably damaged his reputation.

Neyer: you should have let it go, man.
robertdudek - Sunday, September 19 2004 @ 10:05 PM EDT (#34736) #
Keith,

From my reading, the situation is much more complicated than your description of it above. Could you point me to where he discusses the issue at ESPN.com? My understanding is that he posted his take on his personal website.

The main lesson to take away here is that the whole Amazon Reviews thing is an absolute waste of time. If you want info on a baseball book, try to find a review done by a columnist or a baseball blogger you respect.
_Rob - Sunday, September 19 2004 @ 10:31 PM EDT (#34737) #
One of the reviews up for that book now is written by John Wyatt. Now, I don't know who that is, but a player named John Wyatt played for the Kansas City Athletics -- who I believe were Bill James' favourite team -- from 1961 to 1966, and Neyer's favourite team was the other KC team.

I smell a hoax. ;)
robertdudek - Sunday, September 19 2004 @ 11:31 PM EDT (#34738) #
Absolutely hillarious thing: after Neyer whines about how anyone (including himself, apparently) can flood Amazon with positive / negative reviews, Rob Neyer uses an anonymous Amazon review to promote his own Green Monster book.

How do you know it's him?
_Keith Talent - Monday, September 20 2004 @ 12:09 AM EDT (#34739) #
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1883691
COMN for the ESPN apology that Thomas originally brought to my attention.

The main lesson to take away here is that the whole Amazon Reviews thing is an absolute waste of time.

And shouldn't a discerning journalist/author realize this at first sight and not make an arse of himself figuring it out the hard way. Sure, Joan from Spokane might think a book is great. But Joan from Spokane could be an idiot. A ten-year-old realizes this.

Read the following from Neyer's explanation, and tell me it doesn't sound an unfortunate conversation you might have with the mentally deranged:

J. Canfora (wisely, perhaps) neglects to mention where he lives, but if you google Canfora you discover that somebody named Jason La Canfora writes about sports for The Washington Post. Steve Kettmann was a sportswriter for The San Francisco Chronicle for a number of years, and I think it’s reasonable to suspect that Canfora -- Jason, if not necessarily “J.” -- and Steve Kettman might have crossed paths at some point.

J. Klingner, who lists her hometown as Denver, Colorado, is almost certainly Janette Klingner, PhD, who teaches at a big-time university. She’s well-educated, and I’m sure she’s a nice woman besides. Also, her middle name is Kettmann.


Obviously these Amazon comments have caused Neyer several sleepless nights. This is mouth-frothing mania. And I can only explain away this bloodlust for "One Day at Fenway" as extreme literary envy that this Fenway book got picked up by Simon & Schuster and is going to get all the promotion and placement that goes with that, while Neyer's Fenway book is apparently a less exalted item.

try to find a review done by a columnist or a baseball blogger you respect.

Well, scratch Neyer's name off that list. Really, the best thing to do is read the book for yourself. If you're interested in the topic, the worst that will happen is you've read a bad book on it. It will better prepare you for the joy when you find that really good book on the same topic. As well, you've given yourself some arsenal; to quote WH Auden: One cannot review a bad book without showing off.
robertdudek - Monday, September 20 2004 @ 01:25 AM EDT (#34740) #
It seems very likely that ESPN asked (i.e. strongly encouraged) Neyer to write an apology in his ESPN space so that it had maximum reach. How one can interpret that as Neyer "drawing attention" to the issue on ESPN.com is beyond me.

I think Neyer genuinely regrets what he has done and himself admits that he was not thinking clearly in several instances when he took certain actions.

That he is genuinely bothered by the abuse of the Amazon forum (specifically the deletion of unflattering opinion and it's subsequent reappearance) might reflect his naivete going into this unfortunate series of events. That's not a sign of someone who is mentally deranged, but merely of someone who is overly sensitive. Reading what Neyer wrote in it's entirety, I believe that he felt that what Kettmann's friends (or publisher or the author himself) and Amazon did was wrong on many counts.

I agree that there might be some sort of perceived slight buried in Neyer's mind about the treatment of "FTGM" from the publishing world, but this does not necessarily mean it's the main motive behind his actions.

It's easy for the jaded realist to take all the crap that goes on in the world (a tiny part of which Neyer bring to light) as par for the course. Apparently, it isn't quite as easy for Neyer.

Whatever the trigger for Neyer's impulse to write that initial review and react negatively to the ridiculous positive reviews that followed, the issue being addressed is a serious one.

There's too much acceptance of morally suspect behaviour and too little demand for honesty and integrity in the world today. I read these events as being Neyer's poorly executed attempt to hold people to a high ethical standard.
_G.T. - Monday, September 20 2004 @ 01:45 AM EDT (#34741) #
COMN for the ESPN apology that Thomas originally brought to my attention

Are you saying that the apology admits that Neyer anonymously wrote the review of his own book? I can see the (admittedly poorly-written) paragraph where you might get that, but I don't read it that way at all...
_Keith Talent - Monday, September 20 2004 @ 09:41 AM EDT (#34742) #
I agree that there might be some sort of perceived slight buried in Neyer's mind about the treatment of "FTGM" from the publishing world, but this does not necessarily mean it's the main motive behind his actions.

Robert, that was an inspired post and I thank you for it, really. What you mentioned above is the heart of the issue: is "One Day at Fenway" really a bad book or does Neyer not realize the extent of his own bias? Envy can work on a deep, undetected subconscious level. This is why if this issue gets any bigger it will be really bad for Neyer and really good for "One Day at Fenway". People will read the book just to see if Neyer is jealous, if the criticism is justified. Publishers kill for this kind of attention.

Basically: why is Neyer so upset that this particular book has positive customer reviews on Amazon? Has Neyer never read another suspect book? Why doesn't he investigate the identities of customers who have posted for other books? Why the obsession for this particular book with a topic so similar to his own book?

His claim of trying to save customers from wasting $25 on this book just doesn't add up. I think it's obvious that Neyer's actions are driven from a very personal place, whether Neyer realizes it or not.

Personally, I'm now intrigued to read "One Day at Fenway" to see if it's concievable that it's the worst book Neyer has ever read. I'm ready to accept that it might be bad, sports books very often stink. So, the jury is out on Neyer until we really know what the book is like.

Are you saying that the apology admits that Neyer anonymously wrote the review of his own book?

Someone else mentioned this, I don't know where they got this idea from.
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