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Jays 5 - Angels 4

  1. Recaps:

    • Elliot Teaford:

        Left-hander Ted Lilly fooled the Anaheim Angels just often enough to help the Blue Jays defeat the American League West title contenders Thursday at Angel Stadium.
        He said he pitched just good enough to win.

        In the end, and for the second game in a row, the Blue Jays merely needed to be one run better than the Angels. A 5-4 victory in front of a crowd of 37,514 one night after a 1-0 victory enabled the Blue Jays to take two of three from Anaheim, which could have moved within one game of first-place Oakland with a victory.

    • Doug Miller:

        The Angels like to say that every game is big these days, but when you're in the heat of a pennant race, games against teams wallowing 20 games below the .500 mark are must-wins.

        And for the second straight night, the Angels couldn't muster enough to get a must-win.

    • Mike Ganter:

        Gregg Zaun got the night jump-started in the bottom of the second but it wasn't with a bat in his hand.

        With the game still tied 0-0 and Jose Guillen on second with a double, Bengie Molina hit a single to right that on most nights would have scored the first run.

        But with Alex Rios charging the ball and getting a strong throw off he gave the Jays a chance to get Guillen at the plate.

        Zaun did the rest planting himself just a little up the third base line so that when the throw and Guillen's shoulder arrived about the same time all he had to do was hang onto the ball.

    • AP:

        Carlos Delgado capped the big inning with a two-run homer, helping Ted Lilly win for just the third time in 13 starts. After Delgado's homer, the Blue Jays went hitless until Alex Rios led off the ninth with a single.

    • Geoff Baker:

        A front row seat to another Blue Jays triumph wasn't on the wish list of the man being touted in some circles as their future manager.

        But there was little that Anaheim Angels bench coach Joe Maddon could do last night as the Jays held on again against the league's top offence.

        Maddon is widely considered to be heading the A-list of baseball coaches being sought out as managers for next season and Toronto is strongly rumoured as his possible destination.

        His future was looking a lot brighter than the present in this one as Jays lefty Ted Lilly handcuffed an Angels squad expecting to do a whole lot more against Toronto than they actually accomplished.

        "I think they're an interesting group,'' Maddon said of the Jays before they beat the Angels, 5-4, to capture this series and slow Anaheim's charge towards the top of the AL West division. "They've got a lot of interesting young players.''



  2. Fordin Notes (by Elliot Teaford) on Carlos Delgado and Roy Halladay:

      Roy Halladay moved a step closer to returning to the mound, throwing 25 pitches during early batting practice before the Blue Jays played the Anaheim Angels in the finale of their three-game series Thursday.


  3. Ganter Notes on Roy Halladay and Dave Berg:

      Not surprisingly there were few volunteers when the Blue Jays coaches went around the clubhouse yesterday looking for some hitters to step in the cage against Halladay.

      Dave Berg was an exception volunteering but only after telling manager John Gibbons that the last time he did something like this, a re-habbing Florida flamethrower named A.J. Burnett hit him right on the helmet.


  4. Tonight's 8:05PM EST start in Texas: RHP Miguel Batista (10-10, 4.39 ERA) vs. RHP Ryan Drese (11-8, 3.84 ERA). Here's the game preview.
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_IainS - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 10:07 AM EDT (#35787) #
I feel the Jays will be a rising force next year
Pistol - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 10:10 AM EDT (#35788) #
Hey, look who has the same number of wins as the Devil Rays.
Coach - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 11:15 AM EDT (#35789) #
Not that I'm out of Gibby's corner, but if they must make a change, Joe Maddon's an interesting possibility. How can you not like someone with his experience who already appreciates T.O.?

"When you get your first opportunity to do something, you don't want to say you'll go just anywhere. ... Because your place is not just anywhere. Your place is beautiful. I love the city, the Yorkville area. I like to do the bicycle thing, so I rode a bicycle up and down the lake."

Presumably, Tony LaCava knows Maddon very well as both a baseball man and a person, and has a good feel for how he might fit into the Jays culture. Compared to the way I feel about so-called "candidates" like Paul Molitor, Cito Gaston and Ernie Whitt -- has anyone touted B.J. Birdy yet? -- this would be a terrific hire.
Pistol - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 11:20 AM EDT (#35790) #
has anyone touted B.J. Birdy yet?

Maybe the Cheer Club can work up something.

I think the biggest con for Maddon is that many people would spell his name wrong and that'd annoy me.
Named For Hank - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 11:20 AM EDT (#35791) #
B.J. Birdy isn't being touted because of the allegations about his involvement in the "disappearance" of Diamond this season. Personally I believe that it's a bunch of nonsense whipped up by Ace out of jealousy, but it could cost B.J. the job.
_Moffatt - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 11:21 AM EDT (#35792) #
I feel the Jays will be a rising force next year

Nice. I wanted to see how many 80's metal fans visit the Box. Probably not too many.

Anyhow the song was Rising Force by guitar god Yngwie Malmsteen. You win 100 million points and a picture of Mr. Malmsteen.



As an added Friday bonus, here's a llama:

_G.T. - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 11:23 AM EDT (#35793) #
I think the biggest con for Maddon is that many people would spell his name wrong and that'd annoy me

Well, people did learn how to spell Jimy... :)
_Moffatt - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 11:24 AM EDT (#35794) #
B.J. Birdy isn't being touted because of the allegations about his involvement in the "disappearance" of Diamond this season.

I already explained this to Coach. Ace and Diamond are actually the Olsen Twins in costume. Diamond hasn't been around much, since she's being played by Mary-Kate who is currently in rehab due to an eating disorder.
Craig B - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 11:38 AM EDT (#35795) #
I enjoyed the picture of a llama playing guitar, but what is Yngwie Malmsteen doing in the middle of a field?
_Moffatt - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 11:41 AM EDT (#35796) #
but what is Yngwie Malmsteen doing in the middle of a field?

Pining for the fjords.
_Jonny German - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 11:52 AM EDT (#35797) #
I think the biggest con for Maddon is that many people would spell his name wrong and that'd annoy me.

You mean like Catlanitto, Likenburg, Holidday, Spyr, Frasher, Lily? Next year we can also look forword to Quirose and Krosher.
_Matthew E - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 11:56 AM EDT (#35798) #
No, he means like Riccardi, Eichorn, Steib and Delgato. I hate people.
Craig B - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 12:04 PM EDT (#35799) #
Ugh. I know I can be uncareful with typos at times but this place has been inundated recently with people who cannot spell anything at all. I don't mind the persons for whom English is not their first language, but they actually spell very well most of the time. Every time I see "Ligtenburg" (or worse, "ligtenburg" or "litenburg") I feel like pulling the plug.

Like, Matthew, I hate people.
_Jonny German - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 12:08 PM EDT (#35800) #
I don't know why, but the one that bugs me the most is Vasquez, as in Javier Vazquez. Maybe because it shouldn't be difficult to spell, and because it seems to be misspelled far more often than not.
Coach - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 12:17 PM EDT (#35801) #
What about Bautista? I always wonder if people mean Danny, Denny or Jose, until I realize they're just carelessly (or deliberately) disrespectful of Miguel's name.

Way back when, and I don't know if this was in an e-mail or one of the early comments, Jordan said we didn't ever want this site to be inundated with comments like "what culd we get for Delagdo?" -- I heartily agreed then, and I still do. Anyone's opinions become more credible, at least to me, when logically and coherently expressed.
_RhyZa - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 12:47 PM EDT (#35802) #
Kruk (read his latest article on ESPN.. if you could call it that), it was over 10 years ago.. it's time get over it, bitterness is not good for ya health. ; )

And in keeping with the 99% of former players should never write, ever read Jack Mcdowell's piece on Yahoo about how Kevin Brown should've vented... I mean I take it, it was supposed to be humourous (Bill Simmons must be quaking in his boots at the competition) but you come away feeling a mix between sympathy for him, somewhat disturbed, and one part of you wanting that minute of your life back and another part saying it was worth it just to serve as a reminder of just how precious time is.
_Moffatt - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 12:50 PM EDT (#35803) #
Ugh. I know I can be uncareful with typos at times but this place has been inundated recently with people who cannot spell anything at all.

Place me squarely in the meh camp.

There's really no such thing as a universally correct way to spell words or for "correct" grammar. All there are is socially accepted norms that are a function of time and space. Writing you are so great is no more universally correct than writing u r so gr8. Striving to write "correctly" only shows your willingness and ability to conform to societal norms.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. Those societal norms are incalculably useful to help us understand each other. But those societal norms develop from evolutionary forces and not any kind of linguistic first principles, IMO.
_MatO - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 12:53 PM EDT (#35804) #
I've actually had arguments with some of my sons' teachers that spelling is important no matter what their (not there) age is. I don't mind the obvious typo (I've done it myself) but some of the mistakes here (not hear) make me want to scream and it's at least partly some teachers (not all) who think it's (not its) OK.
Pistol - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 12:54 PM EDT (#35805) #
Jumping on the bandwagon.....

Anytime I read posts online, whether here or somewhere else, I almost immediately stop reading them if there are obvious misspellings (that aren’t typos). You can also have me ignore your post by not using the shift key.

BECAUSE TO ME THIS IS REALLY ANNOYING. also annoying to me are the posts about russ adams like this.

Also, frustrating - not knowing the difference between their, there and they’re.
_NDG - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 01:02 PM EDT (#35806) #
Every time I see "Ligtenburg" (or worse, "ligtenburg" or "litenburg") I feel like pulling the plug.

I don't know, Lightenberg is pretty difficult to spell, and it's inherently obvious who the subject is even when it's spelled the first way (which seems to be the common). Spier is another one I think can be forgiven.

The ones that annoy me are the Bautista and Delgato (Delagdo, Delgagdo etc:). This is people just being ignorant of foreign names as both are phoenetically simple, and the spellings don't match.
_NDG - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 01:04 PM EDT (#35807) #
Lightenberg Ligtenburg obviously (fingers faster than brain mistake)
_alsiem - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 01:05 PM EDT (#35808) #
Slow day gents?
_NDG - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 01:05 PM EDT (#35809) #
Ligtenberg .... wow, I need help.
_Moffatt - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 01:15 PM EDT (#35810) #
Slow day gents?

The Jays have won 2 games in a row, so we have nothing to complain about. :)
Coach - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 01:16 PM EDT (#35811) #
Striving to write "correctly" only shows your willingness and ability to conform to societal norms.

Yeah, that's me to a T, Moffatt. Such an incorrigible conformist, always toeing (not towing) the lines of independence, revolution and anarchy that influenced me in the 60's. :)

I'm definitely not concerned about "norms" -- when it comes to language, written or spoken, clarity is foremost for me. If "phrases" like u r so gr8 are the new norm, it's more important than ever for some of to keep aiming higher.
_Moffatt - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 01:17 PM EDT (#35812) #
Such an incorrigible conformist, always toeing (not towing) the lines of independence, revolution and anarchy that influenced me in the 60's.

I always suspected. :)
_Jonny German - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 01:21 PM EDT (#35813) #
Striving to write "correctly" only shows your willingness and ability to conform to societal norms.

Completely disagree with the negative angle you're putting on this. "Societal norms" are imperative to communication. Suppose I state that Utto is a combination of Tulk and Geert. Do you understand what I'm talking about? Of course not - because Utto, Tulk, and Geert are not "societal norms" for Purple, Red, and Blue. The more a person adheres to societal norms in their writing, the easier it is for them to get their point across - and for many of us, the more enjoyable it is for us to read what they're writing.
robertdudek - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 01:23 PM EDT (#35814) #
Of course spelling and grammar are normative - as is just about everything that is touched by humanity. My question is - so what?
Craig B - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 01:26 PM EDT (#35815) #
I'm laughing at poor NDG, done in by the ol' fingerslip. Sometimes it's not a guy's day, eh?

Writing you are so great is no more universally correct than writing u r so gr8.

I would submit that this is incorrect, as non-native speakers and readers of English (of which there are a large number in this country, and on the Internet in generally) will have no problem with the first, but a great deal of trouble understanding the second.

If "correctness", pace Mikey's doctrine, is to be determined by the degree to which a speaker can make herself clearly understood, then

U R SO GR8

LOL, 54R4H


is not correct English in a public context. Certainly there are degrees of correct English - a typo is clearly a mistake (and we all recognize it as such) but of a different order than the above. Speaking Yoda like a mistake of a different order also is.

The correctness of an utterance will certainly vary according to context - I would shudder, but wouldn't think it wrong, to get the above message in a text message from Mikey, since he knows that I know that he knows that I will understand it. (And he does, and I do). On Batter's Box, we make allowances similar to message boards everywhere. So we allow for "COMN" and "LOL" and "IIRC" and "IHNJH, IJLS 'abbrev this, MF!'" But you spoke of universal correctness, and to the degree there is a universally correct way of uttering "u r so gr8", that isn't it.

It certainly is the height of rudeness towards someone to consistently and persistently spell their name incorrectly (i.e. in a way different from that which the person desires to have it spelled). As to its "correctness", saying "Ligtenburg" isn't that big a mistake - probably on the level of (or just slightly more incorrect than) U R SO GR8 or "I heart Delgado".

It's still irritating to me. :)
_Chuck Van Den C - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 02:03 PM EDT (#35817) #
Also, frustrating - not knowing the difference between their, there and they’re.

I definately agree. Definately.
_Rob - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 02:18 PM EDT (#35818) #
Kruk on Wells: At least no one notices what he's doing, or not doing. Remember, he's on the Blue Jays.

Is there a better response for this dreck from Kruk than this:
"We won, you choked, DEAL WITH IT"?

I think not. ;)
_Moffatt - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 02:18 PM EDT (#35819) #
"Societal norms" are imperative to communication.

I know. I already said that. :)
Craig B - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 02:21 PM EDT (#35820) #
The funny thing about Kruk's article - he says Bowa is a friend, and he hopes he doesn't lose his job, then he says he let his team down this year. With friends like these...
_Moffatt - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 02:23 PM EDT (#35821) #
The funny thing about Kruk's article - he says Bowa is a friend, and he hopes he doesn't lose his job, then he says he let his team down this year. With friends like these...

LOL.

Johnson, that was an awful report you submitted. You let us all down. But you're my friend, so I hope you don't get hit by a bus...
_Jonny German - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 02:31 PM EDT (#35822) #
I know. I already said that.

Ooops... so you did. Well, you see, your poor grammar and spelling made me skip over half your post - If you adhered to societal norms more closely, I'd pay more attention to what you have to say! : P
_Moffatt - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 02:33 PM EDT (#35823) #
If you adhered to societal norms more closely, I'd pay more attention to what you have to say! : P

2 bd 4 u. ur loss.
_Rob - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 02:35 PM EDT (#35824) #
Some notes on the upcoming series, to tide you over until the excellent Advance Scout reports:

- Drese, Chan Hopeless, and Kenny Rogers are the starting pitchers this series for Texas.
So much for Payback against Wayback.
- Glynn goes tomorrow for Toronto -- did I miss something? I thought he was only making one start...will we see Towers at all for the rest of the season?
- If Toronto sweeps Texas, they win the season series AND effectively knock the Rangers out of the race. That would be a bonus in this Season From Hell.
_Thomas M - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 02:37 PM EDT (#35825) #
A friend of mine is writing a paper about digitalisation ( is that a word in English?) of sports and I told him about baseball and he wanted to know if there was a rule change in baseball? I mean not in the MLB like the wildcard but on how the game is played. All I could come up with was that I heard that about 120 years ago a "homerun" was a foulball. Could anyone help me out? Thanks.
_Jacko - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 02:37 PM EDT (#35826) #

Striving to write "correctly" only shows your willingness and ability to conform to societal norms.

Incorrect spelling tends to make me think that the writer is:

(a) stupid
(b) careless
(d) both

Also, elegant, stylish, concise writing is more likely to make an impact on me than clunky, ugly, confused writing.
_Moffatt - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 02:42 PM EDT (#35827) #
Striving to write "correctly" only shows your willingness and ability to conform to societal norms.

Incorrect spelling tends to make me think that the writer is:

(a) stupid
(b) careless
(d) both


Dang. Usually when I don't know the answer, I choose (c).

To me the interesting question is "Why do we think that?" I usually conclude the same thing when I see a message full of... umm.. "unusual" spelling.

It again goes back to the idea of social norms. Whenever we see anyone breaking *any* social norm we think they're rude or ignorant because they refuse to conform to those societal norms.

But at the same time is such behaviour really incorrect?
_Ryan Day - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 02:44 PM EDT (#35828) #
I thot these bit of Kruck's collum wuz tha funnest:

The Blue Jays were definitely expecting a better year from Vernon than they're getting. He's a guy who's hit 40 homers and knocked in 100 runs in the past.

But Holladay shuld be on the list, to. They're faylures rest skwarely on the sholders of the ace, who was defnitely sposed to win more than 7 games. Holladay sux. The Jayz nede more playerz like Franke Meneckechinoe and Franke Cattatatalanototo. Guyz named Franke rool.
_Jobu - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 02:47 PM EDT (#35829) #
Dang. Usually when I don't know the answer, I choose (c).

"When in doubt, choose C"

Ahhh, the golden rule of multiple choice testing. You've saved my butt more times that Tibor.
_MatO - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 02:56 PM EDT (#35830) #
Thomas M. The DH was brought in about 30 years ago in the AL. I think that would be considered a rule change.
_6-4-3 - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 02:57 PM EDT (#35831) #
Glynn goes tomorrow for Toronto -- did I miss something? I thought he was only making one

Fordin did a report on this a few days ago. Towers will miss this start, but he should make his next one.

I stopped reading Kruk after he did an article on "Deker Jeter, the Ultimate Winner", and basically said "stats be damned, I'm going with Jeter as the best player in the MLB, he jumps into the crowd to win games! No-one else does that!"
_G.T. - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 02:58 PM EDT (#35832) #
Since the topic of name-spelling came up... does anyone know if there's a "story" behind Ismael Valdez changing the spelling of his last name?
Mike Green - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#35833) #
http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/tor/news/tor_news.jsp?ymd=20040908&content_id=851934&vkey=news_tor&fext=.jsp
Rob, COMN for the details concerning Towers' extended absence from the rotation. Bottom line: Gibbons says he'll miss the start this weekend, and then take his regular turn.

I guess linguistics is the topic of the day, rather than favourite albums of the 90s (Steve Earle's I Feel Alright, Lucinda Williams' Car Wheels on A Gravel Road, Wilco's Being Here, Roseanne Cash's 10 Song Demo, the Hip's Fully Completely).

Anyways, spelling matters to me not because of societal norms but because I value an honest effort by a writer to communicate an idea to me, the reader, as clearly as possible. I see it as part of the kinship between writer and reader. In some contexts, say e-mail between 2 young people "u r gr8", might be a perfect way to enhance that kinship, but when readerhip is wide, it does not. That, alas, may change.

Man, I truly am a fogey :)
_Rob - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 03:07 PM EDT (#35834) #
Thanks G.T. (and Mike), I must have skipped over the articles in yesterday's Roundup thread - since it was right there.

So that's another question answered. If anyone knows why electrons can manage to stay attracted to the nucleus instead of flying away, even though they weigh 1/1000th as much as a proton, I would be okay for a while...

And I don't like the text-messaging abbreviation spelling, but I'm not about to get into a big stink over it.

MOFFATT BOW TO SPELLING ESTABLISHMENT RIGHT NOW LOL SARAH
Pistol - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 03:07 PM EDT (#35835) #
It again goes back to the idea of social norms. Whenever we see anyone breaking *any* social norm we think they're rude or ignorant because they refuse to conform to those societal norms.

When I see someone misspell a word I usually don't think it's because they're trying not to conform to societal norms.

uv coarse wat due i no?
_Tassle - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 03:09 PM EDT (#35836) #
The Blue Jays were definitely expecting a better year from Vernon than they're getting. He's a guy who's hit 40 homers and knocked in 100 runs in the past

I must have missed that season.
_G.T. - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 03:09 PM EDT (#35837) #
Since the topic of name-spelling came up... does anyone know if there's a "story" behind Ismael Valdez changing the spelling of his last name?

So if someone who spells incorrectly is stupid or careless, what's someone who spends more time asking a question here than it would to type the query into Google?

I did the google thing, and that just has me more confused. What I found mentioned in a couple places is that Valdez asked for the spelling to be changed because it's spelled with a Z on his birth certificate.

Huh? Anyone have more details? One Usenet poster said he "heard" from someone that Valdez just found the birth certificate. Shouldn't that have come out a couple years ago when they looked at formal documents and found all those guys who had lied about their ages?
_Rob - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 03:20 PM EDT (#35838) #
[Kruk:] The Blue Jays were definitely expecting a better year from Vernon than they're getting. He's a guy who's hit 40 homers and knocked in 100 runs in the past

[Tassle:] I must have missed that season.


33 HR is "good enough" for 40. Just like winning two World Series games is as good as four -- oh wait, no it isn't.
_Jim - TBG - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 03:45 PM EDT (#35839) #
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com
I always liked Kruk as a player, whether hamming it up at the All-Star game, or his post-testicular cancer spring training T-Shirt: "I'll take my ball and go home."

That said, it's not surprising that he can't write a decent baseball column. Kruk had a good batting eye, could hit for average and had some power, none of which are much use when trying to produce a quality piece of analysis about the game.

Just because skills are related to an industry doesn't mean they are transferable within that industry. Like the way you don't want the guy who built your pace maker to be the same guy who installs it.

Baseball teams realize this. The Red Sox would never sign Peter Gammons expecting him to throw quality relief innings. (Though it would be fun to watch him try)
_Jacko - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#35840) #

Dang. Usually when I don't know the answer, I choose (c).

Wow, talk about a freudian slip.

I fall into the careless (b) category myself ;)

I think it all comes down to knowing your audience. If you don't conform to societal norms, you run the risk of alienating part of your audience. If you don't much care about that part of your audience, then you need not worry about conforming.

After seeing Turner Whistler Monet at the AGO last night, I'm quite glad that Turner and Whistler didn't give a rats ass about what people thought about the propriety of their work.
Mike Green - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 04:12 PM EDT (#35841) #
Just because skills are related to an industry doesn't mean they are transferable within that industry. Like the way you don't want the guy who built your pace maker to be the same guy who installs it.

You said it, Jim...I feel younger already.

Joe Morgan is another example of this. Fabulous ballplayer and smart man. Astute observer of in-game play. But, simply not capable of thoughtful analysis of the game generally.
_Moffatt - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 04:26 PM EDT (#35842) #
It again goes back to the idea of social norms. Whenever we see anyone breaking *any* social norm we think they're rude or ignorant because they refuse to conform to those societal norms.

When I see someone misspell a word I usually don't think it's because they're trying not to conform to societal norms.


They don't have to actively trying to break those societal norms. They could just be ignorant of them. Like those annoying people who talk to you while you're trying to read a book on the bus. :)
_Ryan Lind - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 05:22 PM EDT (#35843) #
Typos are one thing, but constant misspelling just piss me off. How hard is it to learn how to spell a guy's name? Especially if you see it written down 100 times a week? It's spelled Mientkiewicz; What's so hard about that?

and even worse are the people that dont have any grammar dont they realize how hard it is to understand what theyre saying when they have no punctuation whatsoever and they just drone on and on in one long nonsensical sentence whats so hard about putting a period at the end of a sentence you learn how to do it in grade 1 commas arent that complicated either god i cant even read rorys posts anymore

That was actually hard to do. I had to, like, deactivate my pinkys.
_Lefty - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 05:36 PM EDT (#35844) #
I'm actually looking for a name change here. Just Inspire. Hows that for spelling? This is along the lines of "their and there", which gives me great difficulty in terms of my thinking pulling the word from my thought and sending it to my fingers. Believe it or not I do know the difference, but sometimes it just doesn't appear that way.

Anybody else want to come clean?
Craig B - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 05:40 PM EDT (#35845) #
I do know the difference, but sometimes it just doesn't appear that way

This happens to me all the time. Also, I am really bad at typing a completely different word than the one I intend to, which just happens to start with the same two or three letters. I'm also terrible with typos, I'm even bad at recognizing them when reading or reviewing.
_Willy - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 06:36 PM EDT (#35846) #
When being 'rebellious' you should really pick and choose which norms are important ones to resist. We couldn't have society without 'societal norms', let alone speech or writing (so we couldn't have Da Box either). Choosing to ignore the basic structure of your native language, including spelling and grammar, is simply ignorance and quite often merely an attempt to draw attention to yourself: you're not really interested in communicating with someone else. To shrug meh about careless spelling is just modish nonsense (as well as intellectually lazy). If we were as careless with computer language as with spoken language, 'garbage out' would be the norm. Fogies of the world unite.
_Keith Talent - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 06:40 PM EDT (#35847) #
But at the same time is such behaviour really incorrect?

If it's not too late to comment on Moffatt's point about incorrect spelling... Yes, it is conforming to societal norms, but for the good of everyone. For the good of the reader. Unique or incorrect spelling just makes things harder on the reader. To quote Kingsley Amis, it makes the reader "pause without profit". Effective communication means using accepted spelling.
_Keith Talent - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 06:48 PM EDT (#35848) #
It's spelled Mientkiewicz; What's so hard about that?

Here I have to say: Come off it! That is a tremendously difficult name to spell. And I'm not looking at that name 100 times a week. I rarely even read it. That's a name I scan on seeing and don't even look at the spelling.
_Matthew E - Friday, September 10 2004 @ 07:32 PM EDT (#35849) #
For me, 'Halladay' and 'Pasqual Coco' were both harder to spell than 'Mientkiewicz'. I never have a problem with words or names with unusual combinations of letters, but I do sometimes blank out when choosing between different acceptable variants on the same name; it took me a long time to break the habits of typing 'Halliday' and 'Pascual Coco'. They aren't wrong spellings; they're just the wrong right spellings.
_Jobu - Saturday, September 11 2004 @ 12:55 PM EDT (#35850) #
Here's a tip, there's no "I" in team.... or Halladay.
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