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  1. In a great mini-preview of the 2005 Blue Jays Spencer Fordin gives "A dozen reasons to look forward":

      The last month of the season has turned into a glimpse of the future for the Blue Jays, who have 12 players who spent a significant amount of time with their Triple-A affiliate. Experience isn't the only measuring stick -- age is another. The Jays have a grand total of 20 players younger than 30, which works out to more than two-thirds of their active roster.

    This one is a must read for Jays fans.

  2. Speaking of youth, Mike Rutsey discusses a couple of the bullpen young guns in "A place for bullpen kiddies"

      Even with their latest trials and tribulations, the Blue Jays have high expectations for both Jason Frasor and Vinnie Chulk in the years to come.

      The two rookie right-handers have both been rocked hard in recent appearances and the hope among the Blue Jays brass is that they won't let their recent failures overcome months of success.


  3. As has been discussed in our Minor League Updates for weeks, four of the Jays minor league teams have made the playoffs. In "Four clubs in Jays' system gearing up for post-season" Allan Ryan discusses their performances this year:

      Okay, maybe not at the major-league level — yet — but the Blue Jays and a team they are largely modelled after, the Oakland A's, continue to compare favourably on several fronts.

      While the A's ride their customary second-half surge toward a possible fifth consecutive post-season appearance, five of their six minor-league affiliates also qualified for the playoffs. That includes the rookie league Arizona A's, already a first-round playoff casualty.

      Combined, the six clubs finished more than 100 games over .500, with Class A Modesto accounting for practically half of that by clocking in at 90-49.

      The Jays have qualified four of six affiliates with Pulaski (Va.), 40-27 in the rookie Appalachian League, missing out by 1 1/2 games.

      The other exception, as one might surmise, was poor Triple-A Syracuse, where the big club, its infirmary overloaded, came calling early and often this season.

      Even including the SkyChiefs' mark of 67-77 — not all that bad, considering — the Jays' six affiliates came in at 401-297, 104 games over .500.


  4. Tonight's 10:05PM EST start: David Bush (3-3, 3.66 ERA) vs. Anaheim's Bartolo Colon (13-11, 5.44 ERA). Spencer Fordin has a game preview.
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Craig B - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 09:44 AM EDT (#36651) #
I'm not sure if Toronto is the Money City, but those Cheer Clubbers sure are Maniacs.
_jsoh - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 09:53 AM EDT (#36652) #
Doh! Burley beat me to the first song I've known in a while. Bah. Well. Off to see if someone will sloan me some money for a bagel...
_Jim - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 10:02 AM EDT (#36653) #
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a BJ loss or a Sox win tonight eliminates Toronto.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 10:05 AM EDT (#36654) #
Excellent work Craig. You win 100 million points and this picture, which came up when I did a Google Image Search for Money City:



100 million points for anyone who can identify who this guy is.
_The Original Ry - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 10:07 AM EDT (#36655) #
100 million points for anyone who can identify who this guy is.

You with your latest hair style? :-)
_Moffatt - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 10:09 AM EDT (#36656) #
You get 100 million points for being funny.

I wish I could grow a 'stache like that. That would be amazingly sweet.

Never mind about the contest.. I thought it was someone famous. Turns out it's just some anonymous guard. Blech.
_IainS - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 10:09 AM EDT (#36657) #
No idea, but looks like he needs a laxative.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 10:11 AM EDT (#36658) #
Never mind about the contest.. I thought it was someone famous. Turns out it's just some anonymous guard. Blech.

More specifically its:

"Schwarzenberg grenadiers´ guard at cannon on 2nd castle courtyard in Český Krumlov, early 20th century"

I know one of you was going to guess that. I shouldn't have stopped the game so soon. :)
Pistol - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 10:30 AM EDT (#36659) #
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-040905soxbits,1,6820655.story?coll=cs-whitesox-headlines
Ok, I'm officially starting the 'Konerko for 1B 2005' campaign!

It is no secret that general manager Ken Williams and manager Ozzie Guillen have their eyes on a sleeker, swifter, less powerful model for next season. And that leaves the plodding, powerful Konerko dangling at the end of a question mark if the Sox need trade bait.

"I think they're definitely going to reshape or retool the team a different way, and that could mean someone like myself [will go]," Konerko said. "I know what they want to go with, and that's not the way I am.
- COMN

Hey, Reed Johnson is sleek, swift, and less powerful! And he likes to bunt! How can Kenny and Ozzie resist?

I'd even throw in Ty Godwin!
_Ryan Day - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 10:49 AM EDT (#36660) #
Turns out it's just some anonymous guard.

Actually, that's how Terry Adams snuck out of Toronto.
_jsoh - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 10:54 AM EDT (#36661) #
Hmmm. Konerko sounds nice, but... even in this, the season of Delgado's discontent, Konerko has been only marginally better that Delgado this year - .300 vs .293 EQA, 1 vs -1 WSAA.

Plus, while Konerko is only 28, he's also making 7.6 million this year (seems to be under contract for the same for next year - according to dugout dollars). I really cant see the Jays committing to more than one year of him.

But hey. If we can distract Kenny with the shiny and speedy trinket known as Ty Godwin, then I'm all for it! Plus, it'll give us time to see if Crozier/JFG can actually provide some cheap power at 1B.
Coach - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 10:56 AM EDT (#36662) #
Konerko is due $8.75 million in 2005, which rises to $9.25 MM if he's traded. Too steep, but the timing is perfect -- it will be his walk year and he'd be flippable for something good at the deadline, when Crozier might be ready for an extended audition. If the Pale Hose kick in enough cash to make Paul fit the Jays' budget, I'll be right beside Pistol on that bandwagon.

Okay, maybe not at the major-league level — yet — but the Blue Jays and a team they are largely modelled after, the Oakland A's, continue to compare favourably on several fronts.

Not the least of which is Swisher and Blanton progressing rapidly through the system, much like Adams and Bush. The famous Moneyball draft has also produced indirect dividends, as Teahen and Murphy have been included in trade packages for immediate big-league help, another way in which J.P. will soon be applying the lessons he learned in Oakland, as the Jays continue to amass talent at every level.

Nice to see someone at the Negative Paper (TM) acknowledging this. Even the anonymous, cowardly, cheap-shot-artist headline writer, with whom I'd love to have a face-to-face conversation some day, had trouble bashing the Jays, with only a half-hearted "Big team's woes hurt Syracuse affiliate" marring an otherwise fine piece by Allan Ryan.
Mike Green - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 11:07 AM EDT (#36663) #
I don't think the Pale Hose will kick in enough cash to make it worthwhile to acquire Konerko (a career .278/.344/.480 hitter). He's a huge step down from Delgado (career .281/.392/.555) even if he's almost 4 years younger.
_BguyRed - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 11:23 AM EDT (#36664) #
I still don't think that Hinske is all that good of a 3b, maybe he would be better suited at 1B and we can replace him. I doubt with injuries, age, cost that Koskie would be an option, but it sure wouldn't hurt to see if he would give them a Canadian discount, maybe paid in Canadian dollars!
_Jacko - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 11:48 AM EDT (#36665) #

Konerko is due $8.75 million in 2005, which rises to $9.25 MM if he's traded. Too steep, but the timing is perfect -- it will be his walk year and he'd be flippable for something good at the deadline, when Crozier might be ready for an extended audition. If the Pale Hose kick in enough cash to make Paul fit the Jays' budget, I'll be right beside Pistol on that bandwagon.

Is there room on the bandwagon for me?

Konerko also bats righthanded, which would nicely balance out Hinske, Adams, and Gross (and Cat, if he returns to DH for another year). Frank Thomas wouldn't be a bad choice either for the same reason (though he is a little fragile).
_bird droppings - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 12:13 PM EDT (#36666) #
How about we don't even acquire someone to replace Delgado and just place a cardboard cut-out of him on the field next season...

It would be a cheap, ineffective replacemeant for an expensive, ineffective player... Don't get me wrong, I love Delgado and hope to see him resigned... but resigned to a contract that's fair to his play as of this season with pay bumps according to performance...

Of course, this will not happen and therefore I am going to start surfing the web for good Delgado poses to be turned into cardboard cut-outs...

How much would we pay for a Delgado cut-out? How much would've Gord Ash payed it?
_bird droppings - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 12:19 PM EDT (#36667) #
Just to be fair to the cardboard cut-out and so that we don't get royally screwed defensively next season (I mean, who am I kidding? I'm not new.... I am well aware of the defensive flaws of a cardboard cut-out) I suggest we trade Woodward, Hinske, and O Dog for Jeter...

We all know that one Jeter is the equal of a our entire infield.

O Dog For MVP 2006!
Mike Green - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 12:39 PM EDT (#36668) #
http://www.sabernomics.com/salary.htm
Just for fun, I plugged Konerko's and Delgado's career numbers, debut and position into the "sabernomics" salary estimator. Konerko's came out at 3.8 million; Delgado's at 8.6 million. You could use different inputs (say, 2 X current year plus 1 X 2003/3), but the results wouldn't be hugely different.

Oh heck, I'll give it a pop. The results are pretty similar. Konerko's salary estimate goes up to 4 million; Delgado's goes down to 8.3 million.

COMN for the sabernomics salary estimator. There's a description of the factors taken into account once inputs are entered and the estimate obtained.
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 12:42 PM EDT (#36669) #
*puts in Barry Bonds 2004 numbers*


The estimated 2003 market value for this player is:

$ 31,368,636 .

This player is underpaid by:

$ 13,368,636 .


LOL
Pistol - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 01:01 PM EDT (#36670) #
COMN for the sabernomics salary estimator. There's a description of the factors taken into account once inputs are entered and the estimate obtained.

I was reading the Primer thread on it yesterday. There appeared to be a lot of flaws in the model.
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 01:02 PM EDT (#36671) #
Okay, there's something very wrong with that estimator.

I put in Chris Gomez's numbers and it came up with $4,259,294

Riiight.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 01:18 PM EDT (#36672) #
Okay, there's something very wrong with that estimator.

Well, it is working with a really, really limited set of data. It doesn't consider performance from previous seasons, playing time, how good a player fields at his position, etc.

It also doesn't consider league difficulty. I put my slow-pitch stats in and apparently Ivey owes me $50,716,573 in back pay. :)
_The Original Ry - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 01:20 PM EDT (#36673) #
I just plugged in what my projected numbers would be as a first baseman:

BA: .000
OBP: .000
SLG: .000
Debut: 2004

My value came up as $20,834.

At this time I would like to advise all the major league clubs of my availability for the 2005 season.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 01:23 PM EDT (#36674) #
My value came up as $20,834.

You ought to stand closer to the plate and lean into more pitches. You need to get that OBP up somehow. :)
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 01:27 PM EDT (#36675) #
Obviously, this isn't possible, but a .000/.999/.999 CF who debuted in 1993 is worth $1,854,455,725. Not bad!
Mike Green - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 01:41 PM EDT (#36676) #
There are obvious flaws in the system. It doesn't take into account playing time and defensive ability.

Still, I think that it's got the relative value of Konerko and Delgado basically right. For these guys, full-time players who give you roughly average defence at a position where it is not hugely important, the system seems pretty accurate to me.
_R Billie - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 01:41 PM EDT (#36677) #
Well some of the obvious problems with the model is that it doesn't take into account playing time and health considerations, platoon issues, park factors, competition factors, history beyond one year, and quality of defence.

This is a study of strictly offensive stats so the reason that Gomez is ranked so highly is because he has hit well for his position and has been in the majors quite a while. Also the best shortstop in the league make quite a freaking lot of money so anyone half decent is going to see their salary skewed.

As far as Paul Konerko goes, I think the White Sox would have to eat a fair bit of his salary the next two years for the Jays to be interested. Spending $8 and $9 million on Konerko is not something that I expect the Jays are interested in. Spending around $5 million per year maybe. If they were going to spend upwards of $9 million on a position they'd want someone of about Delgado's quality.
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 01:51 PM EDT (#36678) #
Even taking playing time into account though, it seems high.

For instance, a .250/.320/.390 SS (debut 1993) comes out to $5.2M

Even if he played every day, would you give that player over 5M? It seems to me like it overpays players simply for being old: Even a .111/.111/.111 SS comes out to 1.3M if they debuted in 1993.
_Ducey - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 02:08 PM EDT (#36679) #
http://dugoutdollars.blogspot.com/2003_06_29_dugoutdollars_archive.html
I think JP might go back to the A's again to solve his 1B/DH problem. I note that the A's payroll is already at $59 million for next year, not counting Durazo and Hatteberg. COMN Assuming the A's can't afford both (I think they are both free agents - at least they don't have contracts for next year and will get an increase).
_Ducey - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 02:09 PM EDT (#36680) #
Sorry, the A's payroll next year is $54,000,000
_Jacko - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 02:09 PM EDT (#36681) #
Hijack:

The Reds just DFA'ed Brandon Larson.

He's got some strikezone judgement issues, but he's got quite a bit of power. I think he would be worth taking a flier on. At worst, he's a power hitting bat who can play several infield positions.
_Marc - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 02:20 PM EDT (#36682) #
I think JP might go back to the A's again to solve his 1B/DH problem. I note that the A's payroll is already at $59 million for next year, not counting Durazo and Hatteberg. COMN Assuming the A's can't afford both (I think they are both free agents - at least they don't have contracts for next year and will get an increase).

Durazo hasn't played six full seasons and is not a free agent, nor is Hatteberg, signed through 2005 with a 2006 option. Hatteberg is a below average first baseman... I'm sure Crozier could come close to those numbers and Durazo is incredibly inconsistent.
robertdudek - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 02:28 PM EDT (#36683) #
Hatteberg is a below average first baseman ...

Not this year he isn't. The average 1B (both leagues combined) this year has hit around .355 OBP and .460 SLG. Hatteberg is at .390 OBP/.457 SLG. He seesm to be pretty good defensively - very good at digging balls in the dirt. Factor in Oakland's park (favouring pitchers slightly) and I think Hatterberg has been quite valuable this year.

Last year he was terrible, however.
_vic - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#36684) #
durazo is a possibility. the a's and jays have a partnership going where they give each other players that fill each other's needs. they have a 1b in aaa dan johnson who could be a jay as well.

start each off-season by looking at oakland's roster and who they may find expenable. odds are that expendable player will be in toronto by the end of the year.
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