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Mariners 7 - Jays 5

  1. Recaps:
    • Spencer Fordin:

        Josh Towers did his job on Tuesday night. He just didn't do enough of it.
        The right-hander worked five strong innings, blemished only by a three-run homer. He left with a one-run lead but was long gone when the game was decided. Seattle peppered the home team's bullpen with two late rallies, exiting the series opener with a 7-5 win.

    • Ian Harrison:

        Ichiro went 3-for-5 and set a club record for hits in a month and Wilson drove in the winning run with an eighth-inning single as the Mariners rallied from a 4-0 deficit to beat the Toronto Blue Jays, 7-5, on Tuesday.

    • Mike Ganter:

        Moyer gave up his major-league leading 36th and 37th homers last night on back-to-back pitches but then failed to hang around long enough to benefit from yet another Blue Jays bullpen collapse in a 7-5 Seattle win.

    • CP:

        Suzuki finished 3-5, giving him 56 hits in the month of August. That breaks the Mariners club record of 54, set by Alex Rodriguez in Aug. 1996.

    • Larry Millson:

        It was Delgado's 24th homer of the season and gave him 75 runs batted in, keeping alive his chances of having 100 RBIs for his injury-shortened season. The long drive to right centre came after Orlando Hudson's one-out double and was followed on the next pitch by Eric Hinske's 14th homer of the season.

    • Geoff Baker:

        Playing the kids instead of padding the stats will be the theme this September in Toronto and Delgado showed the youngsters how to run the bases last night in setting up a tying, seventh-inning run. Delgado had already hit an earlier two-run homer when he made the difficult advance from first to second base on a fly ball to right centre and later scored on a single.



  2. Fordin Notes on how the Jays like seeing a team with a worse record than them for a change:

      This year, though, the bottom fell out. Due to an aging core and some significant injuries, the M's have the second-worst record (50-80) in the American League. The Jays are just a few games ahead, and they have their 5-1 record against Seattle to thank.


  3. Ganter Notes on a former Blue Jay who was traded yesterday:

      Former Blue Jays catcher Pat Borders has a new address.

      The MVP of the 1992 World Series was dealt from Seattle to the Minnesota Twins yesterday. Borders, 41, accepted an option to triple-A Tacoma on July 23 and has been there since.


  4. Tonight's 7:05PM EST start at the Dome: Righty Gil Meche (4-5 5.53ERA) vs. Righty David Bush (2-3 3.79ERA). For more details see Spencer Fordin's game preview

  5. Bob Elliott has an interesting article on manager John Gibbons in "Don't remember the Alamo".

  6. Richard Griffin thinks the Jays should hire Paul Molitor to manage the Blue Jays. As Griffin puts it in his article "It's time to land Molitor":

      When the time is right, for both sides, the recent inductee into the Baseball Hall of Fame won't have to be the pursuer. He will be the pursuee. He's not driven to manage. But, with John Gibbons currently serving as Blue Jays' interim, with a capital I, it's time to suggest the Jays' '93 World Series MVP, as field manager, yet again.

    Am I the only one who thinks that teams who hire name players with no managing experience are absolutely nuts? There are hundreds of hard-working worthwhile candidates who have paid their dues through the minors and have learned enough about managing to write several books on the subject. Why hire a guy who has almost no experience? If the top line of his resume includes "I got several key hits in the World Series", I'm going to move on to the next applicant. But that's just me.
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_Jonny German - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 10:35 AM EDT (#37912) #
If the Jays had another 94 games left this season, I predict they'd go 54-40. Sure they appear to be drowning in an Ocean just now, but there's still more Pearls down on the farm.
_Moffatt - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 10:44 AM EDT (#37913) #
Very impressive. 200 million points for you and a picture of a Black Pearl Oyster for identifying 54-40's Ocean Pearl:

_Mick - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 10:53 AM EDT (#37914) #
I am embittered because I got yesterday's lyric (I think) and there was no prize awarded.
_Daryn - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 10:55 AM EDT (#37915) #
Am I the only one who thinks that teams who hire name players with no managing experience are absolutely nuts?

The best players do not make the best coaches/managers, but the hardest working ones often do..

Baseball smarts and leadership qualities, the ability to break down a problem and coach your players into turning it around... Respect earned... These are the things that make a Manager...

I don't know how much of that Paul has, I suspect a lot... but you are right he has no experience..

How much managerial traning did Joe Torre and Lou Pinella get before being landing the big job? ... Mike Scosia (sp?),

I think it CAN be done...
Craig B - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 11:04 AM EDT (#37916) #
Very well, Mick. You win this picture of Johnny Damon and Orlando Cabrera :



Enjoy.
_Jonny German - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 11:05 AM EDT (#37917) #
Huzzah! I finally won! Ironically, I can't stand that song.

Mick, I'll share my prize if you'll give us a full recap of yesterday's Yankees-Indians game.
_The Original Ry - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 11:08 AM EDT (#37918) #
Am I the only one who thinks that teams who hire name players with no managing experience are absolutely nuts?

I've been wondering why people are so obsessed with bringing Molitor back as manager since his name first came up as a Jays managerial candidate back in 1998. Molitor does at least have some coaching experience now, but his resume is still pretty thin, and what there is on his resume is unimpressive (right now he's the hitting coach for the worst hitting team in the American League). I have yet to see a good reason for hiring him.

The Blue Jays pulled a publicity stunt like this when they hired Buck Martinez in 2001. I don't think they'll be doing it again any time soon.
_Ducey - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 11:29 AM EDT (#37919) #
Cito didn't have any managing experience did he?

Griffen is wrong though (as usual). I guess he must just say things to evoke controversy. The Jays will be a young team next year and will need a teacher with a lot of patience. Molitor might have these qualities, but why not go with a guy who has done it a few years and you know has these qualities.

Molitor at this stage might be able to manage, but I think he would do better with a veteran team that just needs a change in attitude.
_The Original Ry - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 11:37 AM EDT (#37920) #
Cito started out as a minor league hitting coach with the Braves after his playing days were through. He then came over to the Jays with Bobby Cox in 1982. While he didn't have any managerial experience when he took over the team in 1989, he had 7+ years as a highly-regarded major league hitting coach and one or two more years as a minor league coach. That's quite a bit more coaching experience than Molitor has right now.
_Magpie - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 11:46 AM EDT (#37921) #
How much managerial traning did Joe Torre and Lou Pinella get before being landing the big job? ... Mike Scioscia

Mike Scioscia managed in the minor leagues and coached at the major league level before getting the Anaheim job.

Lou Piniella went from being a playing coach to a full-time Yankees coaching job in mid-1984. His first term as Yankees manager was in 1986.

Joe Torre went straight from playing to managing the New York Mets in 1977.

Note that the guy who was most successful managing from the start was the guy who had actually managed in the minor leagues first.
Coach - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 11:57 AM EDT (#37922) #
In the game thread last night, I said the Towers cookie to Lopez was the turning point of the game. This quote from Baker's article is quite a bit more upsetting to me than a mere location mistake.

"I'm even more ticked off because I didn't know who was hitting," Towers said after a three-run homer by No. 9 hitter Jose Lopez of the Seattle Mariners helped send the Jays to a 7-5 loss in front of 21,174 at the SkyDome. "I have no idea how that happened."

As usual, Josh is unbelievably candid. He thought Jolbert Cabrera was up; I'm not sure who he thought he'd faced two batters earlier. Most guys wouldn't admit that, because it doesn't reflect well on the pitcher, his catcher or their communication during the mound visit.
Leigh - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 12:17 PM EDT (#37923) #
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=Ursu/040901
Bat Girl has portrayed another game via Lego, and this one appears on ESPN. COMN for this, which is fantastic.
_Rory - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 12:34 PM EDT (#37924) #
i want to see Ernie Whitt next year as manager .
_DaveInNYC - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 12:38 PM EDT (#37925) #
Any word yet on who the official September 1 callups are going to be? What are the chances of some of these guys being in the lineup tonight?
_Rory - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 12:43 PM EDT (#37926) #
i want to see Russ adams,Guillermo Quiroz, Eric Crozier in the linup tonight.
I DONT EVER WANT TO SEE WOODWARD AND ZAHN AGAIN. And for the remander of the season put delgado at dh as long as wells is healthy.
Thomas - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 12:45 PM EDT (#37927) #
I really doubt any of the September callups will start today. They will only arrive in Toronto a few hours before the game, in all likelyhood. I don't think Gibbons would throw them into the fire like that. Usually players get to take a full BP and experience a game before they make their first start.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 12:54 PM EDT (#37928) #
Who needs a WELCOME TO TOWN banner?
_Rory - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 12:55 PM EDT (#37929) #
Thomas: you are right i just really want to see these guys play
_Gwyn - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 12:55 PM EDT (#37930) #
NFH - How about a generic 'WELCOME TO THE BIG LEAGUES, ROOK'
Leigh - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 12:57 PM EDT (#37931) #
Who needs a WELCOME TO TOWN banner?

I could use one, NFH.

I'll be moving to Toronto this weekend. Having never lived outside of New Brunswick before, I don't know what to expect (except fewer straw hats and pitch-forks).
_A - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 01:01 PM EDT (#37932) #
except fewer straw hats and pitch-forks

Unless you're at the north side of the St. Lawrence Market on a Saturday morning ;-)
_NYJaysFan36 - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 01:02 PM EDT (#37933) #
The Elliot article is a little misinformed. Gibbons last PLAYED in 1990 for Scranton, not managed. I believe his last managing job was in Norfolk. I know he was there in 2000, not sure after that.
Anyone else here ever sit on Gibbons' lap? hahahahaha
Named For Hank - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 01:04 PM EDT (#37934) #
And then you're joining us for all the remaining games, right, Leigh? ;)

Maybe I'll make a banner that says NEW GUYS: SHOW US YOUR MAN-STRENGTH.
_The Original Ry - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 01:15 PM EDT (#37935) #
Quite often teams won't make their September call-ups until the minor league season is over. In this case, Syracuse's final game isn't until Monday. Are we sure the call-ups will be this week?
_A - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 01:20 PM EDT (#37936) #
NFH, Gotta save that til Hattig gets called up
Craig B - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 01:34 PM EDT (#37937) #
I agree with A. We gotta save that for Hattig.

I suspect the call-ups may happen one at a time, over a period between now and the beginning of next week.
_Rob - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 01:35 PM EDT (#37938) #
We will always love Terry Adams for bringing us "man-strength." That's all we will love him for, however.
_A - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 01:41 PM EDT (#37939) #
I thought we'd be lucky to get a bag of balls out the Adams deal -- a warm body PLUS the inside joke means the Sox sorrowly overpaid.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 01:47 PM EDT (#37940) #
I dunno if we want to put up something that highlights a loose grasp of english on Hattig's welcome sign...might send the wrong signal. At the same time, it's funny as all get-out.

I want to track down a flag from Guam if and when he makes the big leagues. Someone has to recognize that he's the first guy from his nation to make it.
_Rory - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 02:03 PM EDT (#37941) #
i hope this trade becomes the larry anderson for jeff bagwell trade
adams for hattig (hattig is killling aa pitching i would like them to bring him up the aaa for the last few weeks)
Thomas - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 02:13 PM EDT (#37942) #
Syracuse's season ends on the 6th of September. They only have 5 more games, so there's not really any point to calling up Hattig.
Craig B - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 02:15 PM EDT (#37943) #
I don't know, Aaron. As far as I know, Hattig is a native English speaker. I'm pretty sure he is Chamorro (forgive me for saying it, but he looks Chamorro), but I'd bet he's not a native Chamorro speaker. Most Guamanians are English-speakers.

Besides, I don't see how "HATTIG : SHOW US YOUR MAN-STRENGTH" highlights a loose grasp of English.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 02:20 PM EDT (#37944) #
If he's a native english speaker, I am making that sign. It sounded to me like one of those phrases you come up with when you don't have quite the right vocabularly in another language, you know? Something technically correct and unintentionally hilarious. My spoken french is filled with examples of this. ;)
_Rory - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 02:26 PM EDT (#37945) #
• As the big league rosters expand, the September callups are coming fast and furious. Dave Krynzel (Brewers), Dioner Navarro (Yankees), Jesse Crain and Terry Tiffee (Twins), Ryan Howard (Phillies), Russ Adams and Guillermo Quiroz (Blue Jays) were all called up.

" baseball America"
Thomas - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 02:29 PM EDT (#37946) #
Well, Crain was "sent down" yesterday as the Twins called up Kubel on August 31st in order to make him eligible for their postseason roster. And I think Krynzel was yesterday as well, as the Brewers called him up after dealing Ben Grieve. So he's eligible for their postseason roster. Which means nothing in the end.
_Rob - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 03:03 PM EDT (#37947) #
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/flags/gq-lgflag.gif
Here is the full response to the first question posed to Hattig by David Laurila, posted as a Pinch-Hit here.

RSN: Your power numbers are up this year. Is there a reason for that?

JH: I think it's a few things. For one, I had a better off-season conditioning program. Another is that I've fine-tuned my swing a bit, making it more consistent. Maturity is probably a factor, too. I guess I'm growing into my man-strength (smiles).


His English seems fine to me - I wouldn't be able to answer in French as well as he did in English.

And COMN for Guam's flag, NFH. Also, did anyone know that Guam has the same life expectancy and literacy rates as Canada? I didn't.
_Rob - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 03:11 PM EDT (#37948) #
Whatever happened to Wilner being on the FAN every day at 2:45?

I have been listening to the Chuck Swirsky Show for 30 minutes now and I can't stand the man. He sounds like a more annoying version of the RSN voiceover guy.
And he keeps ringing that damned bell.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 03:29 PM EDT (#37949) #
That flag is AWESOME!
_Mick - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#37950) #
Mick, I'll share my prize if you'll give us a full recap of yesterday's Yankees-Indians game.

Okay, I'll speak slowly and use little words so Jays fans can understand.

1. Tanyon Sturtze relieved Javy Vazquez in the second inning.
2. Esteban Loiaza entered the game charged with keeping the deficit at 19 ... and couldn't do it.

That about covers it.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#37951) #
Okay, I'll speak slowly and use little words so Jays fans can understand.

Hey, you sound like the elderly New Yorker who came to heckle the drum. He trotted out the line about how you knew our fans were stupid because we needed names on the backs of our jerseys -- but then he felt dumb when I pointed out that every Yankees fan in the stands with us that was wearing a jersey had a name on the back.

By the way, a special shout-out from me to Cleveland for avenging us. Mussina may not represent all of the New York Yankees, but they deserved something like that for his behavior on Sunday.
_MatO - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#37952) #
Rob, they changed the format all around at the FAN so I have no idea if Wilner is even on anymore. I used to turn it on just for him. If that isn't bad enough they can go to open phones at any time instead of just between 1 and 2 so now you're liable to be listening to the mostly idiot callers at any time!
_Jonny German - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 04:27 PM EDT (#37953) #
1. Tanyon Sturtze relieved Javy Vazquez in the second inning.
2. Esteban Loiaza entered the game charged with keeping the deficit at 19 ... and couldn't do it.


Short of a "Full Recap", specifically missing any mention of the 5-for-32-and-1-walk,-no-run Yankee offence, but very satisfying. Thanks!
_Rob - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 04:57 PM EDT (#37954) #
Rob, they changed the format all around at the FAN so I have no idea if Wilner is even on anymore. I used to turn it on just for him.

Me too. Hey, maybe he's lurking here and can explain what's going on!
Seriously, though (which always seems to be the transition to the sentence following an unfunny joke) outside of postgame recaps and BJTW, there is no more Wilner Time on the radio.

Last night, the game ended around 10:15 - he barely had enough time for the scoreboards, and JaysTalk was abandoned so they could get to Norm Rumack (who should really be on from 6-10, thus making it Stormin' Norman in the Mornin').

However, Leafs Talk runs for approximately 35 hours every Leafs game day. Yech.
_Rob - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 04:59 PM EDT (#37955) #
outside of postgame recaps and BJTW, there is no more Wilner Time on the radio

Not quite, self. There is The Baseball Show on the weekend, and Mike Wilner is usually on that.

**

I stand corrected.
_Loveshack - Wednesday, September 01 2004 @ 05:42 PM EDT (#37956) #
Yeah Im often disappointed at the lack of time given for comments and callers at the end of Jays games. Wilner gets about two callers in before it's time to sign off. Yet when the Leafs play they take calls and discuss the game until well after midnight. Now the Jays arent the Leafs, but it'd be nice to have a little time.

Oh well at least it's Wednesday today which hopefully means Wed with JP and some decent Jays talk.
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