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First place meets last place. The Yankees are 24 games over .500, the Jays 13 under. All-star Javier Vazquez, 6-2, 2.97 so far in the Stadium, has held all opponents to a .184 AVG there, and the Toronto bats haven't exactly been booming this season. Pat Hentgen has had a dreadful year, and returns from banishment to the bullpen only because of an emergency.

On paper, it's ridiculously one-sided. However, Vazquez hasn't lasted six innings in any of his three July starts and was roughed up by the Tigers in his latest. And Hentgen, never exactly a Yankee-killer, did make quite a remarkable second-half turnaround last year, including a win in the Bronx, after it looked like his career might be over. It could be worse for Pat; Derek Jeter and Jason Giambi aren't in the starting lineup. There's always hope, so they may as well play the game.

DH Frank Catalanotto makes his first start since June 17, in the 2-hole, bumping Eric Hinske (.359/.388/.484 in July) down to sixth, so it's the best-looking lineup card in a very long time for the Jays. Chris Gomez, 6-for-16 off Vazquez, starts at short. If and when Carlos Delgado emerges from his slump, team hitting may once again become contagious, but don't expect too much tonight -- the big man is 0-for-11 vs. Vazquez lifetime, with no walks and 4 whiffs.

A low-scoring game would be excellent. If Hentgen does get knocked out early, Bob File, the only reliever who wasn't used yesterday, will need to absorb as many innings as possible. Ligtenberg and Frasor have already pitched on consecutive days, and Adams worked 1.2 innings yesterday, so Speier might be next in line if a mopup man is required. Normally, I'm not an advocate of carrying 12 pitchers, but in a blowout after a 14-inning nailbiter, 11 isn't enough. Tonight at least, Mike Nakamura (or Kevin Frederick) would be far more useful than having three backup infielders.


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_JackFoley - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 06:54 PM EDT (#50558) #
It doesn't seem like the season has really started until we see the Pinstripes.

Best of luck tonight, Pat.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 06:57 PM EDT (#50559) #
_Gabriel - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 07:17 PM EDT (#50560) #
Wow, even with Cat back and Hinske moved down the order, Zaun is firmly entrenched in the number 5 whole. Would someone tell Tosca, he isn't that good.
_Keith Talent - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 07:18 PM EDT (#50561) #
Moffatt has my Hazel Mae picture. I hope he posts it or something.
_bird droppings - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 07:19 PM EDT (#50562) #
I wanna listen to the game... online suggestions?
Pistol - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 07:21 PM EDT (#50563) #
It doesn't seem like the season has really started until we see the Pinstripes

Sounds good. The Jays are now tied for 1st!
_Nigel - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 07:34 PM EDT (#50564) #
I really like the approach at the plate tonight. Other than Delgado, everyone has shown some real patience at the plate.
_JackFoley - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 07:45 PM EDT (#50565) #
I hope Dave Berg is ready to take the mound.
_Nigel - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 07:45 PM EDT (#50566) #
This could get really ugly.
_Ryan Lind - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 07:48 PM EDT (#50567) #
This ump seems to have a really tight strikezone, which is obviously bad news for Pat.

Hopefully he can get out of this and maybe go 6 innings. Then the Jays can take the lead, and File can come in for one of those rare 3 inning saves.
_Paul D - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 07:55 PM EDT (#50568) #
birddroppings, try:

http://www.thegamelive.com/baseballmlb.html#tor

And use the Hamilton feed.
_Nigel - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 07:58 PM EDT (#50569) #
I find watching the ghost of Pat Hentgen pitch harder to do than just about anything else since the Jays were first created. It's just so hard to watch someone with no real weapons fight so hard.
_JackFoley - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 08:00 PM EDT (#50570) #
I can't imagine the Jays sending out Hentgen every fifth day while Doc is on the DL, but I also have no idea who he would be replaced by.
_Nigel - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 08:02 PM EDT (#50571) #
Boy Jack, you sure said a mouthfull right there :) I don't know what you do.
_Lefty - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 08:06 PM EDT (#50572) #
There seems to be a bit of an information blackhole on Justin Miller out with a hammy injury. He suffered a set back in late June. I have been trying to find an update but haven't seen anything.
_Nigel - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 08:19 PM EDT (#50573) #
The fact that on July 21 you can say that Tony Clark has had a considerably better year than Carlos Delgado, tells you all you need to know about how the Jays season has gone.
_Lefty - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 09:15 PM EDT (#50574) #
A very nice return to the line-up by Cat. 3-3.
_RTC - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#50575) #
Hey, Brent, I wouldn't call the Yankees' radio voice and a former ESPN announcer 'the new guy'.,,
_Kieran - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#50576) #
Guys, I didn't get a chance to tune in for Delgado's at bats. What was the crowd reaction to him, given all the media bru-ha-ha today?
_JackFoley - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#50577) #
Quiet---a few scattered boos.

A non-issue indeed.
_Brent - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 09:19 PM EDT (#50578) #
Hey, Brent, I wouldn't call the Yankees' radio voice and a former ESPN announcer 'the new guy'.,,

I knew he sounded familiar. At first, I just assumed that they had some minor league guy to fill in for Tom, but now it is very apparent.
Mike Green - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#50579) #
Our own Gerry McDonald is doing colour right now on the Fisher Cats broadcast, accessible at nhfishercats.com.
_Brent - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 09:22 PM EDT (#50580) #
Alright Gerry!
_JackFoley - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 09:23 PM EDT (#50581) #
Thanks for the link Mike, this is far better.

League is exciting, can't wait to see him for myself.
_StephenT - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 09:42 PM EDT (#50582) #
Good interview with Cashman too. George micro-manages, Cashman has to explain his thinking to him every day. JP is a good friend but he can't work with him much since he's in the same division. Cashman talks to Beane a lot. Towers is his best friend (Padres GM). About the only team he hasn't traded with is Schuerholz (Braves); joked he's afraid to mess with him, Hall of Fame GM.
_Dr. Zarco - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 09:51 PM EDT (#50583) #
Ugh, Berg in for Wells GIDP. I was thinking anything but a DP. He should have been out on the 3rd pitch, which definitely caught a lot of the outside corner. A call seemingly for the Jays still works out wrong. Lots of baserunners for only 3 hits.
_JackFoley - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 09:56 PM EDT (#50584) #
In-Speiering work from Justin.
_JackFoley - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 10:01 PM EDT (#50585) #
I think this discussion has been had, but if the Jays are to re-sign Delgado, must they do it for at least 80% of his current salary or not?
_Matthew E - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 10:02 PM EDT (#50586) #
Only if they've offered him arbitration, I think.
_Lefty - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 10:03 PM EDT (#50587) #
Arbitrator can only award a %20 pay-cut.
_JackFoley - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 10:04 PM EDT (#50588) #
Thanks guys---And if they do not offer him arbitration, they cannot sign him until May 1, is that true?
_JackFoley - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#50589) #
NM, found it myself.
Coach - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 10:15 PM EDT (#50590) #
In-Speiering work from Justin.

Yes, Speier did a fine job to keep the other bullpen arms fresh, and tomorrow's another day. This one went like I feared, and they will have to be considering Sean Douglass (who tossed a complete-game 4-hitter tonight) instead of pushing Hentgen out there again.

Alright Gerry!

Well done indeed. Lots of free publicity for our little site, and I know from personal experience how much fun that must have been for Gerry.
_JackFoley - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 10:20 PM EDT (#50591) #
Thanks Coach, I was wondering what Douglass was up to---he was the only player in Syracuse that I could concieve of coming up to take a turn in the rotation.
_Fawaz K - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 10:23 PM EDT (#50592) #
Is it worth throwing Ricky out there for a start? Plenty of reasons for it to be a bad idea (there would be no one left in the pen to face lefties and he hasn't done it in a while), but could it really go much worse than Cy's last few starts? It's a little heartbreaking to watch Hentgen go through this.
_Matthew E - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 10:32 PM EDT (#50593) #
I asked before about Justin Miller and didn't see a response. Anybody know if there's a possibility he'll be back?
Coach - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 10:32 PM EDT (#50594) #
Ryan Glynn had looked pretty good for Syracuse until getting rocked last night, so maybe Douglass knew something might be at stake for him tonight. He certainly answered the bell: 9 IP, 4 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 5 K.

Fawaz, I suppose they could stretch Adams out and bring up Frederick, but you're right, nobody wants to see Hentgen go though this again, so they have to do something.
_Daryn - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 10:35 PM EDT (#50595) #
Thanks guys---And if they do not offer him arbitration, they cannot sign him until May 1, is that true?

Not positive of the ins and outs
but I'm pretty sure they can offer Carlos anything between now and the end of the season... and then I think the have to "qualify" him with at least 80%.
Coach - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 10:35 PM EDT (#50596) #
Is J.P. on with Wilner tonight? That's the best place to get a Miller update, but the last I heard, his leg wasn't responding well and he would need a rehab assignment, so Matthew, I'd say there's no chance of him starting in the AL until mid-August at the earliest.
_Rob - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 10:39 PM EDT (#50597) #
Somebody is on with Wilner right now, not sure who...oh, Dave Bush. The Good Bush is on the FAN, if anyone wants to listen.
_Rob - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 10:42 PM EDT (#50598) #
J.P. is coming on the radio, by the way. He must have been delayed somewhere. Top of the hour he's on, for 30 minutes.
_Ryan Lind - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 10:43 PM EDT (#50599) #
JP's coming on in 20 minutes.
_Rob - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 10:46 PM EDT (#50600) #
Ha, beat you to the post!
Take that, Ryan clan! The Robs are rising up...Dudek, let's get started!
_Rob - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 10:48 PM EDT (#50601) #
Oh, it's "bluejays@fan590.com" if you want to ask JP something.
_Smack - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 10:48 PM EDT (#50602) #
I was listening to the game simultaneously with the fan and the buffalo NY feed. Its incredible how the Yankee broadcasters talk about thier players non stop, only mentioning Hentgens dramatic decline and who's batting. They even missed some calls going through the details of the BoSox loss to Baltimore in progress.
Coach - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 10:52 PM EDT (#50603) #
I have to take the K-Dog for a walk, but I hope someone asks how Miller is doing. Anyone chewing off their fingernails over #1 pick David Purcey not being signed yet might also want to ask the GM directly. You can call 1-888-666-0590 from almost anywhere; in the GTA, it's 416-870-0590.
_Lefty - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 10:55 PM EDT (#50604) #
Can someone in T.O. phone up The Fan and ask them to turn off their mlb blackout software?
_Rob - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 11:07 PM EDT (#50605) #
I just had a thought. Why doesn't Wilner do a J.P. show where he just takes questions posted in here? That way he can weed out the idiot callers and get intelligent questions.

Hey, if it seems unfair (favouring Da Box and the easy questions) Wilner can just act like he's reading e-mails and make up fake names.

**The Cabal is free to delete this post if they deem it necessary.**
_Loveshack - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 11:17 PM EDT (#50606) #
Sweet. JP just said the Jays have agreed to terms with Purcey.
_Matthew E - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 11:17 PM EDT (#50607) #
Ricciardi just said that they've agreed to terms with Purcey, and expect an announcement to be coming soon.
_Ryan Day - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 11:17 PM EDT (#50608) #
J.P. just said they've agreed to terms with Purcey.

He also made a very nicely diplomatic answer to the question of "How do you feel about the Toronto media?"
_JackFoley - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 11:17 PM EDT (#50609) #
Agreed to terms with Purcey! Good job, JP.
_Matthew E - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 11:17 PM EDT (#50610) #
And Miller is about a week to ten days away.
_Lefty - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 11:20 PM EDT (#50611) #
Thanks for that Matthew E.
_JackFoley - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 11:30 PM EDT (#50612) #
Thanks for taking my e-mail if you're reading, Mike.
_Rob - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 11:37 PM EDT (#50613) #
Which one were you, JackFoley?
_Jacko - Wednesday, July 21 2004 @ 11:57 PM EDT (#50614) #

There seems to be a bit of an information blackhole on Justin Miller out with a hammy injury. He suffered a set back in late June. I have been trying to find an update but haven't seen anything.

If I'm not mistaken, JP said tonight that Miller was going to be out for 8 weeks. I'm not sure if that's starting the clock now (which is code for "out for the rest of the season") or from when he originally went on the DL. Damn hamstrings. Miller was pitching very well when he got hurt.

Also, another caller asked about AA pitching options, and JP basically said that they are not considering bringing anyone up for a few weeks. I would not be averse to bringnig Chacin or Ozias up for a few weeks until Miller is back. Anything is better than the slowly decomposing corpse of Pat Hentgen at this stage :(
_keith - Thursday, July 22 2004 @ 12:16 AM EDT (#50615) #
Man, it's sad to see Pat Hentgen pitch like that. These comments about the umpire's tight strike zone were right on the money -- it looked to me that he wasn't getting that outside corner for right-handed batters. I wouldn't be surprised to see him designated for assignment before the end of the summer. Too bad.
robertdudek - Thursday, July 22 2004 @ 12:17 AM EDT (#50616) #
He said Miller would be back in a week or two - the 8 weeks is from the beginning of the injury.
_JackFoley - Thursday, July 22 2004 @ 12:27 AM EDT (#50617) #
Rob, I asked about the O-Dog and his long term status with the team. It was the e-mail that wrapped up the segment. I mentioned I was a bauxite in the e-mail topic, not sure if that influenced his decision or not.
_Lefty - Thursday, July 22 2004 @ 12:48 AM EDT (#50618) #
And so JackFoley ...... what was the answer to your question for those of us who couldn't listen? Any other useful nuggets?
_DaveInNYC - Thursday, July 22 2004 @ 01:04 AM EDT (#50619) #
Well, after hanging out with some friends after the game, I'm finally home from tonight's game. I must say, it's pretty much what I expected, except I didn't expect to see the Jays get so many hits off Vazquez. Too bad they couldn't turn them into runs, but that's been the problem all season. Here's some things I noticed from the view from the right field bleachers (and lefty, sadly I was sitting in the right field bleachers... sheffield's homer landed in left field near the foul pole so no home run balls thrown back onto the field for the Yankees tonight sadly ;)

- Alexis Rios can FLAT OUT PLAY! This is the first time I've ever seen him in person and I must say that me and my pals and even most of the Yankee fans sitting around me came away impressed. Although he seems a bit tentative in the outfield, maybe it's because he's fairly new to right (such as making backhand stabs at a ball almost directly in front of him that allowed a run to score) he also should his potential. The kid has a CANNON! From where I was sitting, almost positioned directly behind him but off to the right of him a bit, you could really see the tail on his throws. The throw to third base was pretty strong, but the throw to get Matsui?? at the plate was an excellent throw. When I saw where he was when he picked up the ball and where I saw Matsui at the time Rios picked it up, I figured he had NO SHOT at getting him.
At the plate he looked pretty good. He really does a good job at working the plate, or atleast he did tonight.

- I can't say I was surprised with the way Hentgen pitched. I salute Pat for giving it his all, but maybe this just isn't his year. I still respect everything the man's done for the organization in the past, but it looks like he's about done.

- Is it true that Delgado's last 9 hits are homeruns? Some Yankee fan had a radio with him and he was listening to the game and he told me that the Yankee announcer (Sterling) said all of Delgado's last 9 hits have been home runs.

- Reed Johnson looked great today, both in the field and at the plate. He took a few bad hacks, but for the most part he had one of the better games for the Jays today.

- Frank Catalanotto looked great at the plate. There was one about where I swear he must have seen 10 or 12 pitches and he ended it off with a single.

- I was not impressed at all with what I saw from Vern, both at the plate and in the field. He swung at the first few pitches entirely too often, and he made some really poor throws out in the field. He threw 2 or 3 throws that must have bounced 6 or 7 times until they got into the infield.

- Yankee fans are still THE WORST in baseball if you aren't a Yankee fan. Although I did not have any beer thrown on me and I wasn't really heckled in a vicious way, more in an apathetic tone they still gave me some hell.

- I was expecting much more of a reaction from the Yankee fans with regards to Carlos but I guess Yankee fans just don't read the New York Times...

- Vernon Wells is the most frustrated Blue Jay right now. I counted 2 or 3 times where he seemingly missed "THE PITCH" in his mind, and just slammed his bat into the ground. The double he ripped looked like it was going to leave the park. The ball flys lightning quick off his bat.

- Yankee fans REALLY miss Ted Lilly. A few of them were telling me about how they really wish they never traded him for Weaver, whom all Yankee fans despise.

- What happened to Gregg Zaun? I can't remember what inning it was, but he caught a ball weird and just went down in a tumble and the crowd started to chuckle a bit. It looked like he got shot from where I was sitting. (God forbig)

- Hinske looks at the plate again, going the other way with the outside pitch and he even hit a double!!

- Kevin Cash looks AWFUL and absolutly lost at the plate. I see he's using a new bat, but I don't think it's the bat Kevin...

All in all, I came away impressed with Johnson and Cat and I'm absolutly gushing over Alex Rios. The fans did get on him quite a bit about his name however, so I see why he doesn't want to be called Alexis.

The outcome wasn't what I had hoped, but I still had a great time and it was awesome to see the Jays live again. If anyone wants to ask any questions about what I saw up close in person regarding the Jays and their play, feel free to ask here. But of course, with the power of television I doubt you'll really need my opinion.

;)
_JackFoley - Thursday, July 22 2004 @ 01:08 AM EDT (#50620) #
Sounds like they are going to take Hudson year by year until they have a better idea what Hill and Adams are capable of.

He mentioned they came to terms with Purcey.

He talked about Phelps again and said that the reason he hasn't been playing is that when things are going poorly for him they are really going poorly and get worse. I still haven't heard, at least in my mind, a satisfactory answer to the question of Phelps' future with the organisation.

There was no trade talk that I recall.

Someone asked why Cat pinch hit for Gomez, and he said he was wondering the same thing but otherwise thought Tosca did a great job with the 14 inning game.

Wasn't anything else of substance discussed, I believe.
_DaveInNYC - Thursday, July 22 2004 @ 01:09 AM EDT (#50621) #
Yikes, some nasty typo's there!!

What can I say, I'M TIRED!!! :)
_JackFoley - Thursday, July 22 2004 @ 01:11 AM EDT (#50622) #
Interestingly, five of Delgado's last nine hits have been homers.

Glad you had a good time Dave.
_Lefty - Thursday, July 22 2004 @ 01:18 AM EDT (#50623) #
Thanks JackFoley. Thanks DaveinNYC. Great comments.
_DaveInNYC - Thursday, July 22 2004 @ 01:21 AM EDT (#50624) #
Thanks Jack!

Leave it to Yankee fans to over-dramatize EVERYTHING!!

And what's with relievers and wearing sunglasses, especially at night? You've got Gagne and Sanchez out in LA and now you've got this dude on the Yankees (sorry forgot his name!!)

I can't help but think of Corey Hart's "I wear my sunglasses at night"...
_DaveInNYC - Thursday, July 22 2004 @ 01:22 AM EDT (#50625) #
I'm so glad to here that now both Jackson AND Purcey have agreed to terms. That is definitely some real good news.
_A - Thursday, July 22 2004 @ 01:27 AM EDT (#50626) #
Dave, the Delgado bit (last 9 hits were HRs) is incorrect. I recall against the A's he hit a single the opposite way with the IF in their extreme shift position (ESP...it works on multiple levels, heh) and Jerry picking up on the bat control displayed.
_DaveInNYC - Thursday, July 22 2004 @ 01:39 AM EDT (#50627) #
Hey, I was checking google and some of the other search engines, but I seem to have come up empty.

Anyone know where I can download a video of the Joe Carter home run in Game 6 of the Series off of 'Wild Thing' Mitch Williams?

It would be GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks
_Not H-Rod - Thursday, July 22 2004 @ 01:44 AM EDT (#50628) #
Hey DaveInNYC
I can send it to you via e-mail as I took it from Kazaa.
Otherwise, Kazaa is the best bet.
_Shrike - Thursday, July 22 2004 @ 02:10 AM EDT (#50629) #
Check this out. Apparently someone forget that Lil' Cat has had more than 3 hits in a game during his career.

http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/recap/MLB_20040721_TOR@NYY
_Ryan Lind - Thursday, July 22 2004 @ 02:34 AM EDT (#50630) #
"At this rate, Gary Sheffield and the New York Yankees will gladly play the Toronto Blue Jays a lot more."

We'll see about that! ;)
_Matt - Thursday, July 22 2004 @ 03:22 AM EDT (#50631) #
2005
Thomas - Thursday, July 22 2004 @ 08:30 AM EDT (#50632) #
Could I also get a copy of the homer? Much obliged.
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