Imagine for a moment that you're Carlos Delgado. You're back from -- what? Yes. Yes, that's right, you are young, handsome, powerful, wealthy and remarkably popular. Okay, stop it now, you're not paying attention. You're back from a lengthy stint on the disabled list, you're raring to go, and who's the guy on the mound facing you? Jamie Moyer, the most infuriating soft-tossing left-hander since Frank Tanana. But while you may think that would be annoying, Carlos is probably wearing his trademark smile right now. Because lifetime against Moyer, he's batting .447 (21-for-47) with six home runs, five doubles and 11 RBIs. It'll be very, very good to see the big slugger back in the lineup tonight.
Could we possibly see a completely refreshed 'Los for the remainder of the season? I assume his legs are healthy after the long absence. I am anxious to see his at-bats tonight.
I thought "Tanana" was one of the character strings designated as "banned swear word" on Da Box?
Welcome back, Carlos!
Moyer gave up solo homers to Wells and Menechino May 31, but otherwise shut down the Jays for 7.2 innings. That lineup had Phelps in the cleanup spot, Estalella in the 5-hole and Pond batting eighth, so tonight's looks a little more dangerous.
Batista has gone seven or more in 6 of his last 7 starts, and has shut out the opposition in three of his last five. Except for one bad night in San Francisco, he's been tremendous for six weeks. Against these guys, who are probably pressing, I like his chances.
Moyer gave up solo homers to Wells and Menechino May 31, but otherwise shut down the Jays for 7.2 innings. That lineup had Phelps in the cleanup spot, Estalella in the 5-hole and Pond batting eighth, so tonight's looks a little more dangerous.
Batista has gone seven or more in 6 of his last 7 starts, and has shut out the opposition in three of his last five. Except for one bad night in San Francisco, he's been tremendous for six weeks. Against these guys, who are probably pressing, I like his chances.
We will know the Jays are due for a reversal of fortune if Carlos lines one into the dugout knocking Dave Berg onto the 60 day DL
Still no word on who will be sent down? I would like to see Peterson get some work at AAA and away from Tosca's bullpen "management".
Still no word on who will be sent down? I would like to see Peterson get some work at AAA and away from Tosca's bullpen "management".
Yay! Carlos is back!
For those people who don't realize that it was only the injuries to the club's best hitters that have kept them from being a good team this year, check these numbers out (apologies for formatting):
Team GP Runs allowed per game
Tor 82 4.70
Bos 80 4.75
NYY 80 4.89
Yes, the Toronto Blue Jays have allowed fewer runs per game than the Sox and Yanks - teams that spent about one squillion dollars on pitching.
The Jays have scored 63 fewer runs than the Sox, and 83 fewer than the Yanks. If Wells, Delgado, Cat, and Myers had been performing at their 2003 levels, the Jays might not have 83 more runs than they do now, but they'd certainly have a bunch more.
Let's hope that Delgado can feast on Moyer's slow stuff tonight.
For those people who don't realize that it was only the injuries to the club's best hitters that have kept them from being a good team this year, check these numbers out (apologies for formatting):
Team GP Runs allowed per game
Tor 82 4.70
Bos 80 4.75
NYY 80 4.89
Yes, the Toronto Blue Jays have allowed fewer runs per game than the Sox and Yanks - teams that spent about one squillion dollars on pitching.
The Jays have scored 63 fewer runs than the Sox, and 83 fewer than the Yanks. If Wells, Delgado, Cat, and Myers had been performing at their 2003 levels, the Jays might not have 83 more runs than they do now, but they'd certainly have a bunch more.
Let's hope that Delgado can feast on Moyer's slow stuff tonight.
The King has returned.
Not sure I like dropping Hinske to the 6-hole given the tear he's on, but I guess it makes sense against the lefty Moyer and maintains the string of batters of opposite handedness in the lineup. Meh. No time to complain - let's go, Carlos!
| Mariners | Blue Jays |
| RF Ichiro CF Winn 2B Boone DH Martinez 1B Olerud SS Aurilia LF Cabrera 3B Spiezio C Wilson | SS Menechino 2B Hudson CF Johnson 1B Delgado C Zaun 3B Hinske RF Rios DH Phelps LF Berg |
Not sure I like dropping Hinske to the 6-hole given the tear he's on, but I guess it makes sense against the lefty Moyer and maintains the string of batters of opposite handedness in the lineup. Meh. No time to complain - let's go, Carlos!
Yup, Peterson went down to AAA according to www.rotoworld.com.
Carlos is back, Hinske is hitting well, Phelps looked good the last time he's played. Things are looking up.
Too bad this game's on TSN.
Carlos is back, Hinske is hitting well, Phelps looked good the last time he's played. Things are looking up.
Too bad this game's on TSN.
Missed the opening - are my eyes deceiving me or is that Paul Romanuk doing PBP tonight? What's he up to these days?
Sac Bunts sure look silly when they're followed up by homers...
Moyer is looking pretty awful, his pitches look extremely hittable so far.
Moyer is looking pretty awful, his pitches look extremely hittable so far.
4th outfielder...pfffft.
I am guessing you keep saying this to provoke a reaction. Well, here's the reaction you're looking for.
Reed Johnson kills LHP. He will always deserve to start against LHP. It's his ability against RHP that makes him a questionable fulltime player.
I am guessing you keep saying this to provoke a reaction. Well, here's the reaction you're looking for.
Reed Johnson kills LHP. He will always deserve to start against LHP. It's his ability against RHP that makes him a questionable fulltime player.
Sparky, you da man. Romanuk's home run call was hilarious. Why can't the TV networks hire a play-by-play guy who knows something about baseball?
Carlos bloops a "double" misplayed by Winn, and scores on the Zaun single. 3-1 Jays.
Carlos bloops a "double" misplayed by Winn, and scores on the Zaun single. 3-1 Jays.
I'm not sure I keep saying, and I certainly didn't mean to provoke a reaction - just an celebratory statement; an ill-conceived one, obviously.
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I'll take 'spanked to left field' any day of the week, no matter who's calling it.
I'll take 'spanked to left field' any day of the week, no matter who's calling it.
Holy Moses! MASSIVE home run for Phelps!
The King's impact has been felt.
The King's impact has been felt.
Holy cow. Looks like the baseball gods are making us use all our saved up karma in one inning.
All right, Mr. Phelps. Good to see Josh get some air under one.
Reed Johnson is a career .279 hitter against RH pitchers. Its almost all singles, but still... not chopped liver.
By the way, where did these hitters comne from?
By the way, where did these hitters comne from?
Wow, nice start, obviously. It's too bad Phelps didn't get to play in PR, he might have a streak going.
And Bartolo Colon has given up 26 homeruns? That's amazing. He should approach Bert Blyleven territory this year.
And Bartolo Colon has given up 26 homeruns? That's amazing. He should approach Bert Blyleven territory this year.
Any particular ideas why we have "rally killer" Dave in left instead of Howie Clark?
The Jays are certainly enjoying the feast of 83 mph fastballs. The Mariners should move Moyer now, while he still has some trade value (despite Bavasi's assertions that Moyer won't be traded). His ratio of 1 HR per 5 IP is not a good sign, particularly when he gets to pitch half his games in a tremendous pitcher's park.
Did anyone else turn off the TV and turn on the radio? Romanuk and Tabler just aren't doing it for me.
Romanuk and Tabler just aren't doing it for me.
Signs you are a fill-in...
"... and Batista throws the ball to the second baseman... Hudson blah blah..."
It wasn't obvious to Romanuk who the second baseman was. He had to recover from the generic use of second baseman and prove to us that he knew it was Hudson, thus his superfluous follow-up sentence which included Hudson's name.
When I hear Romanuk's generic play calling, it sounds like women's Olympic baseball coverage where no one knows anyone's name.
Signs you are a fill-in...
"... and Batista throws the ball to the second baseman... Hudson blah blah..."
It wasn't obvious to Romanuk who the second baseman was. He had to recover from the generic use of second baseman and prove to us that he knew it was Hudson, thus his superfluous follow-up sentence which included Hudson's name.
When I hear Romanuk's generic play calling, it sounds like women's Olympic baseball coverage where no one knows anyone's name.
Moyer hasn't seemed to have particularly good command of those 80 mph fastballs either. I agree, the M's should move him while they can get something back.
This is weird though, a homerun derby between the Jays and Mariners?
This is weird though, a homerun derby between the Jays and Mariners?
Did anyone else turn off the TV and turn on the radio? Romanuk and Tabler just aren't doing it for me
You read my mind. Scary stuff kiddies.
You read my mind. Scary stuff kiddies.
Did anyone else turn off the TV and turn on the radio? Romanuk and Tabler just aren't doing it for me.
Heh, I wish I had that option over here in BC.
I just muted the TV and put on music.
Heh, I wish I had that option over here in BC.
I just muted the TV and put on music.
Reed Johnson is a career .279 hitter against RH pitchers. Its almost all singles, but still... not chopped liver.
I disagree. 279/348/383 is chopped liver for a corner outfielder. The team just doesn't have any better options at the moment.
I disagree. 279/348/383 is chopped liver for a corner outfielder. The team just doesn't have any better options at the moment.
Did you see that?
Did Mighty Mouse SMILE after turning his DP?
Did Mighty Mouse SMILE after turning his DP?
Wow...Romanuk might be even worse than Brian Williams at baseball...wait a minute, no one is that bad...strike that!
Whew that was close. A 3-2 slider on Bret and then a tailing rocket to right by Edgar. Miggy's likes living on the edge.
If Josh Phelps is benched tomorrow in favor of Chris Gomez or Dave Berg, I'll hunt Tosca down and beat him to a bloody pulp (or just curse a lot on an internet message board, same difference).
Maybe the extra work with Barnett is paying off (cross fingers).
Maybe the extra work with Barnett is paying off (cross fingers).
You learn something new every day.
"Vernon Wells Sr. is the dad of Vernon Wells Jr."
Gosh.
"Vernon Wells Sr. is the dad of Vernon Wells Jr."
Gosh.
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It makes me somewhat uncomfortable that, every time I see O-Dog making his usual ridiculously good plays, I want to kiss him on the mouth.
It makes me somewhat uncomfortable that, every time I see O-Dog making his usual ridiculously good plays, I want to kiss him on the mouth.
Actually, isn't Vernon Wells Jr. the father of Vernon Wells Jr?
Maybe the extra work with Barnett is paying off (cross fingers).
Maybe. We all want to be optimistic, but it should be noted that Phelps entered tonight's game with an 821 OPS vs LHP and is now slugging 500 against them.
It's the RHP that have been giving him fits: 188/260/266. Of course, these numbers may never budge an inch given his new role as a platoon player.
Oddly, prior to 2004 he'd actually done better against RHP than LHP.
Maybe. We all want to be optimistic, but it should be noted that Phelps entered tonight's game with an 821 OPS vs LHP and is now slugging 500 against them.
It's the RHP that have been giving him fits: 188/260/266. Of course, these numbers may never budge an inch given his new role as a platoon player.
Oddly, prior to 2004 he'd actually done better against RHP than LHP.
"Menechino with a looper over there to Olerud. Oops, pardon me, to Delgado."
It was actually Boone to Olerud.
It was actually Boone to Olerud.
I disagree. 279/348/383 is chopped liver for a corner outfielder. The team just doesn't have any better options at the moment.
I dont want to get into the whole debate again because it's been done to death so Ill keep it short. His SLG is low, but there's nothing wrong with that BA or OBP, they're in the top half of all MLB corner outfielders anyway. Oh yeah and his defensive stats (F%, RF, ZR) are far above average (12th, 9th, 8th according to ESPN) for a MLB corner outfielder too.
I dont want to get into the whole debate again because it's been done to death so Ill keep it short. His SLG is low, but there's nothing wrong with that BA or OBP, they're in the top half of all MLB corner outfielders anyway. Oh yeah and his defensive stats (F%, RF, ZR) are far above average (12th, 9th, 8th according to ESPN) for a MLB corner outfielder too.
It was actually Boone to Olerud.
They also missed Olerud being pulled off the bag. I don't think Rios actually beat that out.
Anyone pining for Cerutti and Faulds yet?
Actually, isn't Vernon Wells Jr. the father of Vernon Wells Jr?
Vernon Wells Jr. is Vernon III's dad.
Vernon Wells Jr. is Vernon III's dad.
It makes me somewhat uncomfortable that, every time I see O-Dog making his usual ridiculously good plays, I want to kiss him on the mouth.
Congradulations Joe, that was the first post that ever made me laugh out loud.
Is that the real Scott Carson?
Congradulations Joe, that was the first post that ever made me laugh out loud.
Is that the real Scott Carson?
I can't believe I miss Rod Black!!! This Romanuck clown is bloody awful. Good thing I can watch the Seattle Fox Sports Net feed.
Is Scott Carson trapped up in the media box and giving us smoke signals?
Yes, the Toronto Blue Jays have allowed fewer runs per game than the Sox and Yanks - teams that spent about one squillion dollars on pitching.
On a per-9-inning basis going into tonight, the Jays' runs allowed ratio is almost tied with the Red Sox and is ahead of the Yanks:
In the Pythagorean race, the Jays are just 7 games behind the Yanks (and 6 back of the Red Sox):
On a per-9-inning basis going into tonight, the Jays' runs allowed ratio is almost tied with the Red Sox and is ahead of the Yanks:
Runs Scored Per 9 IP Runs Allowed Per 9 IP Winning Percentage
( 1) Texas 5.72 ( 1) Oakland 4.37 ( 1) NYYankees 51-29 .638
( 2) White Sox 5.69 ( 2) Seattle 4.62 ( 2) Oakland 46-34 .575
( 3) NYYankees 5.58 ( 3) Minnesota 4.70 ( 2) Texas 46-34 .575
( 4) Detroit 5.41 ( 4) Anaheim 4.74 ( 4) Minnesota 44-37 .543
( 5) Cleveland 5.40 ( 5) Boston 4.75 ( 5) White Sox 42-36 .538
( 6) Boston 5.33 ( 6) TORONTO 4.77 ( 6) Boston 43-37 .538
( 7) Baltimore 5.15 ( 7) White Sox 4.81 ( 7) Anaheim 42-39 .519
( 8) Oakland 4.97 ( 8) NYYankees 4.89 ( 8) Tampa Bay 40-41 .494
( 9) Anaheim 4.93 ( 9) Texas 4.90 ( 9) Cleveland 39-42 .481
(10) Minnesota 4.56 (10) Tampa Bay 5.02 (10) Detroit 37-44 .457
(11) Tampa Bay 4.53 (11) Cleveland 5.34 (11) Baltimore 36-44 .450
(12) TORONTO 4.50 (12) Detroit 5.39 (12) TORONTO 36-46 .439
(13) Kansas City 4.36 (13) Baltimore 5.50 (13) Seattle 32-48 .400
(14) Seattle 3.97 (14) Kansas City 5.76 (14) Kansas City 29-51 .363
Avg 5.00 Avg 4.97 563-562
In the Pythagorean race, the Jays are just 7 games behind the Yanks (and 6 back of the Red Sox):
Pythagorean WPct Extra Wins
( 1) CHW 45-33 .577 ( 1) NYY 6
( 2) TEX 46-34 .570 ( 2) MIN 5
( 3) NYY 45-35 .560 ( 3) TAM 3
( 4) OAK 45-35 .558 ( 4) OAK 1
( 5) BOS 44-36 .552 ( 5) TEX 0
( 6) ANA 42-39 .518 ( 6) ANA 0
( 7) CLE 41-40 .505 ( 7) KAN -1
( 8) DET 41-40 .502 ( 8) BOS -1
( 9) MIN 39-42 .486 ( 9) BAL -2
(10) TOR 39-43 .473 (10) CLE -2
(11) BAL 38-42 .470 (11) SEA -2
(12) TAM 37-44 .453 (12) TOR -3
(13) SEA 34-46 .431 (13) CHW -3
(14) KAN 30-50 .375 (14) DET -4
Note: PythagWPct = RF^1.83 / ( RF^1.83 + RA^1.83 )
where RF=Runs For and RA=Runs Against
Yo!!! VINNIE!!!
Wow, we sure were spoiled by Shulman and Martinez, weren't we? Romanuk's been around for years, but I don't remember him doing much baseball.
Wow, we sure were spoiled by Shulman and Martinez, weren't we? Romanuk's been around for years, but I don't remember him doing much baseball.
How about Vic Rauter? Complain enough about Raumanuk and he'll be up there soon enough. Mr. Curling has baseball on his resume. Rauter has the weirdest voice I've ever heard. His accent sounds foreign, as someone from Venus might sound.
Apparently, according to Romanuk, Delgado is a "speedball", the combination of cocaine and heroin. Interesting analogy by a hockey guy, pinch-hitting on baseball.
Do you have any heavy blunt objects in the booth, Scott? Not that I'm suggesting you bludgeon anyone. It would be nice if you could take over with the mic, though...
You know, that night cityscape of TO after the commercial break was pretty cool.
Though, here in North York it's not that dark.
Though, here in North York it's not that dark.
Isn't there any danger of one of those guys reading over Scott's shoulder?
I remember back in the early '90's, Vic Rauter seemd to crib from Van Earl Wright's style. With terrible results. (Note: this was the CNN version of V.E.W., I never saw his local-Detroit-NBC stuff, nor paid attention to his FoxSPortsNet work)
Rauter's okay, but his problem is that he can't refrain from saying "Make the final" for every score he reports. It drives me nuts.
What happened to Van Earl Wright?
What happened to Van Earl Wright?
In fairness to Paul Romanuk...
...he had become a pretty good hockey announcer by the time he left TSN. The World Junior tournament is particular is not nearly as enjoyable with Gord Miller.
...he had become a pretty good hockey announcer by the time he left TSN. The World Junior tournament is particular is not nearly as enjoyable with Gord Miller.
It's not Romanuk's fault that he was pressed into duty to do something he's probably not all that experienced in doing. I mean, if they asked me, I'd do it in a heartbeat, and Romanuk's about a 1000 times better at it than I'd be.
That's what bugs me about all the slights about Dave Berg. It's not *his* fault that his name is being written into the lineup every day.
That's what bugs me about all the slights about Dave Berg. It's not *his* fault that his name is being written into the lineup every day.
Hey, Lurch is working on a shutout through 7 in Camden.
That sounds like an indirect criticism of Tosca then. I think the frustrations with Tosca run so deep here that we don't even realize it.
No, it's frustrations with all the injuries the Jays have had.
Wow. Those numbers make you wonder how well this team would have done if five of our top hitters hadn't missed signifigant time due to injury.
Honestly, it feels like everything that could have gone wrong this year has gone wrong this year.
But on the bright side, things seem to be looking up.
Honestly, it feels like everything that could have gone wrong this year has gone wrong this year.
But on the bright side, things seem to be looking up.
Moffatt, I don't think anyone's getting personal. I think people are taking shots at the network. One that used to be king for baseball and let it all slide. You know, I don't really know what happened to TSN. I was out of the country from 2000 to late 2002. When I came back it was a much improved Rogers Sportsnet (formerly CTV) and TSN looked like ESPN, with no original programming. Care to give a short history?
I missed all of Buck Martinez's managing, and all of Mondesi.
I missed all of Buck Martinez's managing, and all of Mondesi.
wow chulk is throwing strikes, how many pitches for this inning???
was that a 5 pitch inning?
was that a 5 pitch inning?
Also, I can't explain how bitter it makes me feel that Pat Tabler got payed to play baseball for a good portion of his life, and now he gets payed to make stupid, uninformative comments about it because of that.
I missed all of Buck Martinez's managing, and all of Mondesi.
Good timing.
Good timing.
Vinnie Chulk isn't really this good, right?
I mean, obviously not, because who really is as good as he's been. But did anyone see anything like this coming? I sure didn't.
I mean, obviously not, because who really is as good as he's been. But did anyone see anything like this coming? I sure didn't.
Time for Batter's Box to start up their own network, and boot these TSN chumps. ;)
It's not like Tabler really appreciated his gifts either, how about that hilarious story:
"It was the all-star break and I thought, what they hell! I'll try waterskiing for the first time."
He's what Billy Beane would call a real ballplayer. A Lenny Dykstra who when seeing Beaney reading a book says: "What are you doing man! You'll wreck your eyes!"
"It was the all-star break and I thought, what they hell! I'll try waterskiing for the first time."
He's what Billy Beane would call a real ballplayer. A Lenny Dykstra who when seeing Beaney reading a book says: "What are you doing man! You'll wreck your eyes!"
Someone tell me a Buck Martinez managerial horror story please...
Geez, check out the duel going between Grienke and Santana.
Grienke: 5IP, 2H, 1R, 1BB, 5K
Santana: 6IP, 3H, 0R, 1BB, 11K
Grienke: 5IP, 2H, 1R, 1BB, 5K
Santana: 6IP, 3H, 0R, 1BB, 11K
just listening to whoever is doing the internet broadcast, and he just said that John Olerud went directly into the majors as a september callup. He said that Olerud never played a game in the minors. Can anyone verify this, because if it's true then that's pretty amazing. I'd venture to say that not too many people would have that, or maybe I'm wrong and it happened a lot in the past. I'm still pretty young so I don't know a whole lot of stuff about baseball before the late 80's.
Magpie, it certainly is possible that Vinny Chulk is as good as he looks. He was very effective as a starter for double A Tennessee in 2002, and wasn't half bad for Syracuse in 2003. He looked pretty good to me in his cup of coffee with the Jays at the end of last year. For him to develop into a fine reliever would not be a shock.
philip, I'm pretty sure that's true. And it's pretty rare. Dave Winfield also did that, I'm not sure who else has.
To go off-topic here I think it's amazing what Bonds has done with the Giants. It's a one batter team and they're in contention for the division title.
Just looked at his OBP and it's .619
Just imagine if Bonds was a FA after this season and he got signed by the Yanks to be the meat in the buns for A-Rod and Giambi!
Just looked at his OBP and it's .619
Just imagine if Bonds was a FA after this season and he got signed by the Yanks to be the meat in the buns for A-Rod and Giambi!
It's true Phillip. And it's extremely rare and there was a lot of controversey over it. I remember the broadcasters kept saying, more eloquently but essentially, that Olerud had no balls because it's in the minor leagues where you earn your balls.
It was part of the agreement in drafting him that he could go straight to the bigs. There was a lot of resentment.
It was part of the agreement in drafting him that he could go straight to the bigs. There was a lot of resentment.
Olerud NEVER played a game in the minors, joined the Jays in September of '89 and never looked back.
Johan Santana is a machine.
That's like 5 straight starts where he's struck out at least 10 batters.
That's like 5 straight starts where he's struck out at least 10 batters.
I'm saying NO ONE is as good as Vinnie looks right now. He's given up three runs all year, all on Hatteburg's 2b off Kerry Lite-em-up. One - count 'em - one run has scored while Vinnie's been on the mound (1 of 8 inherited)
Bob Horner also never played in the minors - that's it, I think.
This Boone guy's a punk - one of my least favourite baseball players.
Magpie, if that's what you mean, you're right. He's been lucky as well as good. Still 22 innings pitched, 15 hits, 10 walks, 17 strikeouts and 0 home runs allowed is fine relief pitching and is reasonably consistent with what he achieved in the minors.
Thanks for the info, that's one of the many things I like about this site, many knowledgable people that help with everyone like myself who isn't that knowledgable, but I'm learning. thanks again and lets hope Frasor can get the next out so we can forgive this small blurp in the radar
and no sooner do I post, then the out is made, congrats jays and "jays"on Frasor
Also straight from college to the Majors: Jim Abbott.
Hey! A cheap save! Which are much rarer than cheap wins, although people do seem more upset by them...
Hey! A cheap save! Which are much rarer than cheap wins, although people do seem more upset by them...
Yeah, if there has to be a late-inning prestige stat to hand out, it should certainly go to Chulk. I wonder when we're going to see the Jamesian 'relief ace' system sweep the Major Leagues: you put your best bullpen guy in the game anytime after the 6th if the game is tied or you are ahead by just one. Some manager has to have the right guy and make it work, have it celebrated, then everyone will copy it and it will be that way for 20 years. Toronto and Boston are believers but they didn't have the personnel when they tried that approach. And I don't think Epstein has the balls to have Foulke pitching as 'relief ace' instead of 9th inning closer.
How many of those guys never got sent down a la Olerud/Winfield?
Here is a list of players who went straight from college to the big leagues: http://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/feats9.shtml. Keep in mind a few of these guys, like the illustrious Brian Milner, subsequently were sent down, but most never spent a day in the minors.
Nice work, Moffatt. Not too many people doing it anymore, I notice.
I remember that game that 18 yr old Catcher Brian Milner made his debut for the Jays in 1978 in Yankee Stadium , he went 3-6 or 4-6 and some rbi's . He never made it back to the Majors again.
Since Major League Baseball began its free agent draft in 1965, a total of 18 selections have advanced to the majors without playing in the minors.
But it should be noted that at least one of those, Mike Morgan, eventually went to the minors. Wasn't it Charlie O's idea to have him pitch right out of high school (back in the day when he decided many a matter about the team's operation)? Love Morgan's K/BB ratios as an 18-year old and a 19-year old: 8/0 and 50/17 (yes, that's BB's first, K's second).
But it should be noted that at least one of those, Mike Morgan, eventually went to the minors. Wasn't it Charlie O's idea to have him pitch right out of high school (back in the day when he decided many a matter about the team's operation)? Love Morgan's K/BB ratios as an 18-year old and a 19-year old: 8/0 and 50/17 (yes, that's BB's first, K's second).
I'm saying NO ONE is as good as Vinnie looks right now. He's given up three runs all year, all on Hatteburg's 2b off Kerry Lite-em-up. One - count 'em - one run has scored while Vinnie's been on the mound (1 of 8 inherited)
"Yo" Vinnie has good stuff, but he doesn't always know where it's going.
The Expos totally bailed him out on the weekend. He had a lot of trouble finding the strike zone, and the Expos decided to swing anyways. If and when he has blowups, they will be control related. Come to think of it, two of the inherited runners Ligtenberg allowed to score were put on base with walks.
Xavier Nady is another one on the list who went straight to the bigs, but has since spent most of this career in the minors. I think most of the other players were never sent down.
There's no italics problem. There never was an italics problem.
To be honest based on the numbers and scouting reports I felt Chulk and Arnold were similar pitchers with similar stuff. Since Vinny came up I've been shocked at just how good his stuff is. Hard hard sinker and a very sharp slider which batters don't seem to be able to pick up out of his hand for the most part. He's definately picked his game up a notch since leaving the rotation.
If the Jays ever did decide to insert Vinny back into the rotation he might be able to duplicate what Justin Miller was doing when he was healthy.
If the Jays ever did decide to insert Vinny back into the rotation he might be able to duplicate what Justin Miller was doing when he was healthy.
Speaking of bad segues, I asked a question a while ago but never got an answer to it.
Why did Dave Stieb miss the last part of the 1992 season? I noticed (on B-Ref) he did not pitch in the postseason that year. Injury?
Why did Dave Stieb miss the last part of the 1992 season? I noticed (on B-Ref) he did not pitch in the postseason that year. Injury?
If the Jays ever did decide to insert Vinny back into the rotation he might be able to duplicate what Justin Miller was doing when he was healthy.
It's pretty clear that Chulk is throwing harder now than he was as a starter. He's added 4-5 MPH to his fastball since returning to the bullpen. Is it possible the added velocity is a result of Chulk not having to pace himself? Known in other circles as the "Gagne Effect"?
Also, BA agrees on the Jason Arnold comparison. From the 2004 BA Prospect Handbook, I quote:
"He's comparable to Jason Arnold in results and track record. His fastball has better movement and his slider is an average pitch, but he lack's Arnold's plus changeup and needs to command his change better. He throws a slurvy curve as well."
I wonder if Arnold's future is in the bullpen as well...he was a closer in college, wasn't he?
Stieb developed a bad shoulder and a herniated disk during the 1991 season and eventually had back surgery. He returned from the injuries in 1992 but pitched poorly. Eventually he went on the DL in August of 1992 due to an elbow problem and missed the rest of the season. He was declared a free agent after the season.
Guys - unrelated, but an interesting question. I noticed the Yankees' recent protest was denied by the commissioner's office.
Can ANYONE remember ANYTIME when a game "played under protest" was actually overturned or whatever would happen in such a case?
Just wondering...
Can ANYONE remember ANYTIME when a game "played under protest" was actually overturned or whatever would happen in such a case?
Just wondering...
Forgive me for not knowing whats going on but... "protest"? Anyone mind filling me in?
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Baseball/MLB/2004/07/06/527347-ap.html
COMN for the story.
Teams often play a game under protest when they feel a call or rule interpretation is so bad it warrants the commissioner's office ruling. The manager agrees to play the game, but under the assumption that he feels the call is so poor that the remainder of the game is not valid.
COMN for the story.
Teams often play a game under protest when they feel a call or rule interpretation is so bad it warrants the commissioner's office ruling. The manager agrees to play the game, but under the assumption that he feels the call is so poor that the remainder of the game is not valid.
For those not attending the game, you missed a hilarious race.
It was dubbed the Race to End All Races. The Seattle Space Needle and the CN Tower had a footrace (two guys in costume). The CN Tower won, but I'm pretty sure it was rigged. Before the actual race, they had a couple of promo videos showing the CN Tower training for the race to the sounds of the theme from Rocky. After, they had a slow-mo replay of the finish to the theme from Chariots of Fire. I loved it!
It was dubbed the Race to End All Races. The Seattle Space Needle and the CN Tower had a footrace (two guys in costume). The CN Tower won, but I'm pretty sure it was rigged. Before the actual race, they had a couple of promo videos showing the CN Tower training for the race to the sounds of the theme from Rocky. After, they had a slow-mo replay of the finish to the theme from Chariots of Fire. I loved it!
WOW! The played the Conan O'Brien tower races at the Jay game today?
Not sure because I don't think I've seen that Conan. It was a live event, on the field - an actual race.
It was one of the episodes of Conan when he came to Toronto. The Space Needle raced against the CN Tower, of course big CN won that race as well.
interesting take, I had to listen to seattle's announcers, i dont remember their batter, but it was a flyout to berg, the announcer said, THAT BALL IS HIT HAR....TO the leftfielder in shallow leftfield. The announcer about soiled himself thinking it was a home run in the upperdeck only to see the left fielder run in to catch it.
HA HA HA HA... nice to know what became of the Tower costumes after Conan left town...
There are plenty of other guys who spent practically no time in the minors. Like did Chad Cordero really need that month or 2 in the minors last year before joining the Expos bullpen? Not really.
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I watched Conan tonight, and he mentioned the towers duel. When Conan was in Toronto last Feb., they had a competition: which was better, the CN Tower or the Seattle Space Needle? The only way to resolve this conflict was, of course, mud wrestling. The CN Tower won handily.
On tonight's show, Conan showed the mud wrestling and mentioned that the Blue Jays had called him up and asked for the towers to return since the Jays were hosting the Mariners. He said "Sure, you can borrow our towers - but only if you take our worst character, the FedEx Pope."
The FedEx Pope, to whom I was introduced in that bit, really cracked me up. I love Conan.
I watched Conan tonight, and he mentioned the towers duel. When Conan was in Toronto last Feb., they had a competition: which was better, the CN Tower or the Seattle Space Needle? The only way to resolve this conflict was, of course, mud wrestling. The CN Tower won handily.
On tonight's show, Conan showed the mud wrestling and mentioned that the Blue Jays had called him up and asked for the towers to return since the Jays were hosting the Mariners. He said "Sure, you can borrow our towers - but only if you take our worst character, the FedEx Pope."
The FedEx Pope, to whom I was introduced in that bit, really cracked me up. I love Conan.
So was the FedEX Pope at the game, cuse that guy's hilarious....
Oh $hit, thanks for the heads up, I going to tape Conan before I go to bed tonight!
When I saw the race on tv (Seattle feed) I was thinking to myself, weren't those the props used on the Conan show?
LOL
When I saw the race on tv (Seattle feed) I was thinking to myself, weren't those the props used on the Conan show?
LOL
Forgive me for not knowing whats going on but... "protest"? Anyone mind filling me in?
Jobu, I think the George Brett pine tar incident was protested by the Royals and they had to go back and play the rest of the game from that point, a game the Royals actually won. If I had more time, I'd check up on it. Not sure if it's happened since then. That Posada runner interference really was a horrible call though.
Jobu, I think the George Brett pine tar incident was protested by the Royals and they had to go back and play the rest of the game from that point, a game the Royals actually won. If I had more time, I'd check up on it. Not sure if it's happened since then. That Posada runner interference really was a horrible call though.
I think the Protest on the pine tar incident was given more credit due to the gross errors the Umps made in ruling that he was "out" and since he was the third out in the top of the 9th, with the home team ahead 3-4, the game was "over",
Being "out" is not a defined penalty for that rule, in fact there was no defined penalty,...
Because of the that it can be said that the game was not "replayed" from any point, rather just restarted playing from the point that the umps applied the wrong penalty... in effect, they got away without answering the question...
Also, you are only supposed to be able to get relief on a question of rule, not a judgement,... I didn't see the play, but in an interferrence call, its the Umps Judgement if there was or wasn't...
Being "out" is not a defined penalty for that rule, in fact there was no defined penalty,...
Because of the that it can be said that the game was not "replayed" from any point, rather just restarted playing from the point that the umps applied the wrong penalty... in effect, they got away without answering the question...
Also, you are only supposed to be able to get relief on a question of rule, not a judgement,... I didn't see the play, but in an interferrence call, its the Umps Judgement if there was or wasn't...