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Based on an admittedly small sample size, May does not appear to be the panacea that Blue Jays fans might have been hoping for. After a pretty excruciating road trip through Chicago and Minnesota, the Jays return home to face last year's surprise team, the Kansas City Royals, which this year has been looking unsurprisingly awful. Tony Pena's club is doing its best to prove that last year's successful campaign was, in fact, the fluke that it appeared; sound familiar? Lefty Jimmy Gobble faces The Illustrated Man, Justin Miller, in a 7:05 pm start.

About the Blue Jays so far, I'll say this: when teams are on a roll, it seems that someone different makes the key contribution every night, that a different aspect of the team comes to the forefront to carry the day. Winning breeds confidence, which gets everyone loose and positive, which improves their performance, which breeds winning: it's a virtuous cycle. "A different hero every night," the announcers say, but the real hero is the spirit of a team that has somehow temporarily forgotten how to lose. There are few things more buoyant and more enjoyable than a team on a winning streak.

When teams are in a funk, it's exactly the opposite: something different happens every night to cost the team the game. One night the bullpen gives away a lead, the next night the batters can't drive in anyone from scoring position, the next night the starter doesn't get out of the third inning. Slumping batters cause their teammates to try too hard, resulting in more slumps; pitchers get too careful in an effort to minimize the damage (or overthrow, in an attempt to do it all themselves) and end up going away from their strengths. The absence of confidence is far more contagious than confidence; it's a malaise that seeps inside the heads of everyone on the club, and baseball is very much a head game. It happens to the best of teams; the Blue Jays, not the best of teams, are mired in it right now.

The smallest or unlikeliest thing can snap a funk; no one would ever have expected the Jays' gigantic comeback against these same Royals at home last May, a comeback that virtually everyone associated with the team pointed to as the turning point of an eventual 85-win season. It could happen tonight, a single event that superstitious players silently and thankfully believe marks the end of a torment whose beginning no one could really pinpoint. This team badly needs a break, maybe especially a lucky break, and it needs the irrational confidence that such breaks can deliver. Once the dam breaks and the tension is released -- and it will happen, sooner or later -- this talented team could easily shift out of its vicious cycle and into a virtuous one in the blink of an eye. Watch for it.
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_Rob - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 05:28 PM EDT (#67847) #
Nice preview. Very poetic.
Craig B - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 05:28 PM EDT (#67848) #
the Kansas City Royals, which this year has been looking unsurprisingly awful.

I have to say I disagree with my more learned colleague on this one. KC certainly aren't world-beaters, but I thought they'd be much better than they've shown, and a close contender in the Central. They're going to be scratching for runs, and the Jays may be able to use that to their advantage, but facing all these lefthanders isn't going to be pretty.
_tag - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 06:27 PM EDT (#67849) #
Interesting piece. Toronto desperately needs to take advantage of a beatable K.C. team that is as brutal away as the Jays are at home.
The first of the three is a crucial home game for a squad, unfortunately, allergic to crucial home games.

The Jays are talented and will undoubtedly work themselves out of their rut. Baltimore and T.B. have already begun to fade a bit and Toronto will eventually settle back into their bronze recliner.
It's obvious, though, that the hitters (most glaringly, VW) were fealing themselves a lil too much going into April.
Major League pitching is certainly an incredible ego-deflator.

Finally, I agree with the front office on most of their theories and techniques, particularly, the notable value of each and every out. But, why "save" outs when Wins are being given away? They're just not good enough, yet, to be that generous.
Craig B - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 07:18 PM EDT (#67850) #
Well, a good start for Miller in the first. Fifteen pitches, ten strikes, one K and two groundballs.
Craig B - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 07:23 PM EDT (#67851) #
Geez, I just realized that Dave Berg's in left field. [Rolls eyes].
_Mark - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 07:30 PM EDT (#67852) #
What, you think a corner outfielder should have an OPS better than 111? Heresy!
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 07:31 PM EDT (#67853) #
Geez, I just realized that Dave Berg's in left field. [Rolls eyes].

Yeah, and the Royals announcer said "speed all over the Jays outfield." If by all over he means just Wells, then sure.
Craig B - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 07:32 PM EDT (#67854) #
Sparky's got pretty decent wheels though. He just doesn't steal bases.
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 07:34 PM EDT (#67855) #
True, but Berg doesn't set any land speed records. Bah-Delgado just gets fisted a touch and hits one to deep right center for a long out.
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 07:35 PM EDT (#67856) #
Jays aren't making Gobble work too much-18 pitches through 2.
_Paul S - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 07:41 PM EDT (#67857) #
When are people going to learn about Cash's arm?
Craig B - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 07:42 PM EDT (#67858) #
Hey Tony, keep running!
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 07:42 PM EDT (#67859) #
I love small ball-when other teams consistently do it.
Craig B - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 07:45 PM EDT (#67860) #
Honestly, Miller looks great so far. The one mistake he made was leaving the 1-2 to Gonzalez on the outer half instead of climbing the ladder. Other than that, he's been completely solid, and guys are missing his pitches too - he has seven swinging strikes already.
_Donkit R.K. - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 07:48 PM EDT (#67861) #
Ooh, Bill Ripken ;-)
Craig B - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 07:49 PM EDT (#67862) #
**** FACE is in the house!

How scary would it be to have Ken Harvey running toward your front-row seat at top speed?
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 07:50 PM EDT (#67863) #
Who woulda thunk Jimmy Gobble and Justin Miller would both have faced the minimum through 3. They've both been very effective, with the aid of the low strike zone, things might not change too soon.
_Donkit R.K. - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 07:51 PM EDT (#67864) #
Ooh, Cal Ripken!
He's in the Fan's booth...
_Donkit R.K. - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 07:53 PM EDT (#67865) #
Randa with a double. SO much for facing the minimum (likely).
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 07:58 PM EDT (#67866) #
Wow, Ken Harvey uses an overlap golf-like grip. Delgado now 0-2 on scoops and it's 1-0 Royals.
Craig B - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 07:59 PM EDT (#67867) #
Okay, now it's time to make Gobble's game a little less perfect...
_Kristian - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:03 PM EDT (#67868) #
Did Rob Faulds take broadcasting lessons from Yogi Berra?

" And there is a base hit to Gomez"
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:05 PM EDT (#67869) #
Wells with another weak grounder (on the first pitch too) to end the inning-Gobble is keeping up the double-digit pitch complete (and perfect) game pace with 37 through 4.
Craig B - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:11 PM EDT (#67870) #
Re: Miller

I think we'll keep him. :)
_Nigel - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:11 PM EDT (#67871) #
It's beyond my imagination to say how poorly this team is playing right now. Tonight we have:

a) 2 errors - leading to both an unearned run and about 15 extra pitches for Miller;

b) 0 hits through 4 innings;

c) 37 pitches through 4 innings for a guy who admitted that the roof caved in at the end of his last start because he got tired having to throw a lot of pitches in the early innings of that game.

I have been a huge supporter of Tosca's but you have to wonder when game after game the fundamentals and hitting approach with this team are so poor. I know this team is better than this and I know losing begets losing, but at some point its the managers job to change the players approach or "head space" with losing.
Craig B - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:15 PM EDT (#67872) #
I'd just like to point out that the Jays haven't done that poorly so far on takign pitches. Gobble only had 38 through 4 innings, but had only faced 12 batters. 3.2 pitches per batter isn't a good figure, but it's not far off the 3.8 figure that you want to be at.

The problem is the 12 outs, not so much the pitches.
_NDG - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:16 PM EDT (#67873) #
Delgado now 0-2 on scoops and it's 1-0 Royals.

I've said this several times before. People who keep saying that Delgado is average defensively via metrics are missing the point. He's very poor defensively because he does not scoop balls well and he makes poor decisions on when to stretch/leave the bag.
Craig B - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:20 PM EDT (#67874) #
He's very poor defensively because he does not scoop balls well and he makes poor decisions on when to stretch/leave the bag.

I'd like to hear Coach's impression of this, but I do not think this is true. Delgado is not bad at scooping balls; he's no Doug Mientkiewicz but he gets a *lot* of balls in the dirt.

I find that he's at his worst on the in-between hop and I'll tell you why : it's SkyDome. First basemen who play on turf often have real problems with the throw that bounces right at the seam, because the characteristics of the turf and of the dirt they use around the bags are really far apart. On a typical grass field, that's not the case; the two are much closer in the kind of bounce.

Now it's true that Delgado seems to come off the bag a lot; I'll attribute that more to his infielders (Alex Gonzalez used to throw one well wide of the bag every week) than to Delgado.
_Donkit R.K. - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:29 PM EDT (#67875) #
An error break up a perfecto? Yes, right?
Craig B - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:30 PM EDT (#67876) #
Hey-hey! A hit! Something's cooking now.
_Donkit R.K. - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:30 PM EDT (#67877) #
Well, it's all been broken up regardless...
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:30 PM EDT (#67878) #
Baserunners!!! Now the feared 1st and 3rd with 1 out situation.
_NDG - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:32 PM EDT (#67879) #
I disagree Craig. Delgado's playing on the same turf as McGriff and Olerud before him, and IMO both were much better at scooping balls and at picking up balls right at him.

Maybe I'm screwy, but I see Delgado's defense as this; Very good to his left, very bad to his right and hard right at him. His throwing is quite good for a first basemen, hence I think he earns his 'average' rating in defensive metrics. But as I said above, it's the other (more important i believe) parts he isn't very good at.

Another observation. Two years ago when Hinske magically improved his defense in the second half, I thought was a bit of a mirage. Hinske seemed to eat a lot of ground balls in the second half of that season which lead to less errors, but I'm not sure it was effective defense. This I believe was in part because he lacked confidence in Delgado's ability to pick 'em.
_Donkit R.K. - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:33 PM EDT (#67880) #
Put a maple leaf next to that one...
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:33 PM EDT (#67881) #
Can the Jays buy a break? Geez this is so damn disheartening.
_NDG - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:35 PM EDT (#67882) #
By the way, I'm not pretending to state fact here, just my opinion, and to see if anyone else sees the same thing I do. So don't flame me too bad!
_R Billie - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:38 PM EDT (#67883) #
Is it too much to ask that the Jays swing at strikes? I don't mind if they make outs on balls in the strike zone by why help the pitcher out? That's the hallmark of a last place team.

What a horrible at bat for Gomez. He's got Wells coming up behind him, takes ball one and then for some reason swings at a ball low and away out of the zone. Even if for some reason you think that pitch would be a strike, why would you swing at it? Reed Johnson swung at an even worse pitch. If the Jays' strategy is supposed to be to avoid swinging at the up and in and low and away pitches, someone apparently forget to tell the lineup today.
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:39 PM EDT (#67884) #
NDG-I've always thought of Delgado exactly the way you do-average or even slightly better as a pure fielding/throwing 1st baseman, but just not good at pickin' balls. It could be because scoop or miss, he just doesn't look as good as others when he does it. He kinda stabs at everything, where guys like Mientkiewicz and Raffy Palmeiro (who did this against the Jays last weekend a few times) give with throw, absorbing them into their glove/body. I wonder if there's any way to make a stat to correct for poor throwers. It'd be interesting.
_mathesond - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:40 PM EDT (#67885) #
NDG, I haven't been able to see the Jays on a regular basis in 4 years, so all I ahve to go by is that Carlos, despite his offensive prowess, never seems to get any mention when Gold Glove voting is discussed/announced. And if Palmeiro can get one despite only playing 22 games in the field, that's gotta say something about Carlos, no?
_mathesond - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:40 PM EDT (#67886) #
NDG, I haven't been able to see the Jays on a regular basis in 4 years, so all I ahve to go by is that Carlos, despite his offensive prowess, never seems to get any mention when Gold Glove voting is discussed/announced. And if Palmeiro can get one despite only playing 22 games in the field, that's gotta say something about Carlos, no?
Craig B - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:40 PM EDT (#67887) #
NDG, me too... it's pure opinion on my part. I just don't know enough about it to say anything for sure.
_mathesond - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:41 PM EDT (#67888) #
New acronym - SATDP

(Sorry about the double post)
_mathesond - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:42 PM EDT (#67889) #
Not that baseball writers are the be-all and end-all of baseball judgement...
_Jonny German - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:46 PM EDT (#67890) #
New acronym - SATDP

(Sorry about the double post)


New acronym - WMIWWATP

(Why make it worse with a third post?)
_R Billie - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:47 PM EDT (#67891) #
First pitch to Vernon, ball low out of the zone and he takes it. Second pitch, ball low out of the zone and for some reason he swings at it and hits it off the end of the bat for an out. There really is no rhyme or reason to these at bats.
_Nigel - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:47 PM EDT (#67892) #
On a positive note, I was extrememly impressed with Miller's control and his stuff. Both his fastball and slider had good velocity and break. I was also impressed with Tosca's decision to take him out. I thought that was exactly the moment to do it.
_Jonny German - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:49 PM EDT (#67893) #
Nigel:

On a positive note


WHOA! Mark it down! May 3rd, 8:47 PM EDT.
_R Billie - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#67894) #
And Delgado becomes the only Jay in that inning to see more than TWO pitches from a guy spinning a one hit shutout. This team is hopeless.
_Jim - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:51 PM EDT (#67895) #
Well, something needs to change, and I'm not talking the 24th and 25th men on the roster.
_R Billie - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:53 PM EDT (#67897) #
I don't like changing up Frasor for DLS. This is a one run game and if the Jays tie up they'll have used up an extra pitcher should they have to go extras. Changing pitchers here is managing like the Jays are out of it.

And I don't just type that because Frasor was doing fine and DLS has fallen behind the first hitter. :P
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:59 PM EDT (#67898) #
I have a good idea-let's walk the two guys before Beltran!
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:02 PM EDT (#67899) #
Of course the walk scores. Ick ick ick.
_R Billie - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:03 PM EDT (#67900) #
That was a terrible and needless pitching change. Only Tosca knows why DLS was brought into a game where the team was only trailing by one run while his three 'reliable' veterans stayed in the pen. I'm not saying anything else on the matter.
_dp - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#67901) #
Tosca has to go.

Sometimes, being too smart, rational, patient can be a bad thing. This team needs to be shaken up. If you're not going to fire Tosca, then you need to do something more drastic to a less important member of the team (ex: a ceremonial burning of Dave Berg- less important guy, more drastic move.

And Berg has no business starting in LF for a major league team unless it is an emergency. He shouldn't be part of a platoon out there, and the fact that this isn't seen as a problem in dire need of fixing is, well, problematic.

Flame away.
_Ryan Day - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#67902) #
Well the good news is we're not losing any ground to Tampa Bay tonite.

The bad news is that we're concerned about whether we're losing any ground to Tampa Bay.
_greenfrog - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:10 PM EDT (#67903) #
R Billie: I don't get it either. Not that it matters. The way the Jays are swinging the lumber, one run may be enough for the visitors.

The Jays are making Gobble look like Warren Spahn.

Incidentally, why isn't Woodward playing?
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:11 PM EDT (#67904) #
Woody has a sore hamstring.
_Donkit R.K. - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:11 PM EDT (#67905) #
Woody's hammy bothering him?
Come on, come on, come on... money!
_Donkit R.K. - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:12 PM EDT (#67906) #
Zarco answered that one, um, quickly...
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:14 PM EDT (#67907) #
Yeah, I refreshed at a good time. Nice AB going for Cash here after the Hinske leadoff single.
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:15 PM EDT (#67908) #
And Cash tops off the good AB with a single. Tying runs on with none out. Come on now Jays...
_Donkit R.K. - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:15 PM EDT (#67909) #
I like this Cash kid...
_Donkit R.K. - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#67910) #
What, a bunt!!!
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#67911) #
A bunt! With Berg and Johnson coming to the plate. Hmmm.
Mike D - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#67912) #
With O-Dog hitting from his weak side, it's a good play. Especially with Gobble not walking anyone all game.
_Nigel - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:18 PM EDT (#67913) #
Two things: a) great AB for Cash; b) Tosca finally decides to implement a one run strategy when his team is down 2 runs in the 8th and the 9th and 1st hitters coming up? Huh?
_R Billie - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:19 PM EDT (#67914) #
We took the bat out of Hudson's hands so we could play for one run with Dave Berg? What the hell is going on?
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#67915) #
Why do the Jays even try with a runner on 3rd with less than 2 outs. I think I'd rather just have the guy never swing a hope for a walk.
_JackFoley - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:21 PM EDT (#67916) #
At least this should be over by the time the Flames game starts.
_Nigel - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:22 PM EDT (#67917) #
Mike D, I'm trying to agree with your line of thinking but the Jays need a hit to tie the game, they need that with Tosca's strategy as well. Of the three choices, O-Dog hitting right-handed, Berg and Johnson, O-Dog is a better bet to get a hit than Berg and about the same as Johnson. I don't agree with the strategy. If the heart of the line-up was coming up - maybe I agree with it- maybe.
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:22 PM EDT (#67918) #
This is absolutely pitiful. I'm not going to type the swear words I'm saying.
_Donkit R.K. - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:22 PM EDT (#67919) #
Harvey just isn't quite bad enough out there...
_Ryan Lind - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:23 PM EDT (#67920) #
What a joke.

I'm sorry, but when is this going to end?

End for more than one game, I mean.
Mike D - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:27 PM EDT (#67921) #
Nigel, the play was ostensibly a two-run strategy, as it moved two runners into "scoring position." Hudson has a .267 OBP from the right side, and he was facing a pitcher who had allowed three singles and no walks all game. The chances of an out were very high. So why not make it a productive out?

The flaw in the plan is Berg's suckitude. Reed Johnson hits lefties better than Hudson, but Berg is simply awful. Then again, Berg did get a hit earlier in the game, and he put it in play here -- just not deep enough.

The best counterargument, in my opinion, is that Hudson should have at least taken one strike after that long Cash at-bat. Bunting the first pitch kind of let Gobble off the hook.
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:30 PM EDT (#67922) #
I agree Mike. I hate it when guys bunt the first pitch. So many times, especially in the NL with pitchers, guys bunt the first ball (and many times the pitchers and their "suckitude" bunt into a FC or DP) giving the pitcher an easy out. Take a pitch. If it's a ball, take another one, make him work for it.
_R Billie - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:30 PM EDT (#67923) #
The fact that Gobble only has 1 strikeout through the first 8 innings is indicative of the Jays swinging at bad pitches or not hitting the pitches they do get. Just a sad sad performance. This team needs to get hitting help versus lefties.
_Young - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#67924) #
I know Fcat is supposed to be bad vs LHP.

Player AVG/OBP/SLG
Fcat 100/100/150
Berg 071/071/071

So playing stats shouldn't we have taken Berg out?
_Jeff - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#67925) #
So what's easier on the ears - John Cerutti's grammar or Tom Candiotti's timing?
_greenfrog - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#67926) #
Home team down 2-0, two men on, nobody out. Hudson, Berg, Johnson, and Gomez due up. Tosca bunts. Anyone else think there might be something wrong with this picture? (John Cerutti's bland uncritical analysis doesn't count.) Come to think of it, anyone see anything wrong with a 9-1-2 of Berg, Johnson and Gomez in a late-inning make-or-break situation?
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:32 PM EDT (#67927) #
Argh, Gomez has a fastball middle away on a huge mistake by Gobble and all he does is ground it to 2B.
_R Billie - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#67928) #
I don't care how bad a hitter you think Hudson is, you don't give the pitcher a free out when you're down by TWO RUNS. They got zero runs and even if Berg's flyball was deep enough it would have only been one run. If Hudson is so horrible that he has to bunt in that situation then he shouldn't be in a major league lineup.
_R Billie - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#67929) #
Delgado is the only hitter in this lineup.
_Young - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#67930) #
I find it amusing that we let a OBP of 267 bunt and let a 071 OBP player bring the runners home!
Mike D - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:35 PM EDT (#67931) #
Admittedly, a home run would have been a smarter play.
_R Billie - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:35 PM EDT (#67932) #
If I'm Phelps I sit on a curveball strike.
Mike Green - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:35 PM EDT (#67933) #
Down 2 runs, runners on 1st and 2nd, 0 out, Hudson up with Berg, Sparky and Gomez to follow, and a lefty pitching. Do you bunt? I wouldn't; Hudson is in my view even from his weaker side a substantially better hitter than Berg or Gomez. I might feel differently about if Woodward and Sparky were following.
Mike D - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:35 PM EDT (#67934) #
Take that back. Uncalled for, and provoked by the frustration that is being a Jays fan.
_Nigel - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:36 PM EDT (#67935) #
Mike D, my problem is that, as you say, the Jays needed to score 2 runs. With runners on 1st and 2nd the Jays and none out the Jays still required one more hit to score the 2 runs. I think you have to choose which of the next three hitters is likely to get a hit. In my opinion, Hudson was a superior choice to Berg and on par with Johnson. As I said, if your choices were obviously much better (like the heart of the line-up) it might have been defensible. Needing 2 runs giving up an out is, in my opinion, a good strategy in extremely limited cases. Now if he was playing for one run there it was entirely defensible. Its the two runs and needing the hit that doesn't support the strategy.
_Jonny German - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#67936) #
You can't take it back Mike, I'm still laughing about it.
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#67937) #
Last inning after the Jays left the guys on 2nd and 3rd, I was going to say that they'd probably score just one run in the 9th to torture us fans. I decided not to. Prove me wrong Hinske!!
_King Rat - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:40 PM EDT (#67938) #
Come on Eric.
_greenfrog - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#67939) #
I am sympathetic to Tosca. He's getting criticism from all sides, his players aren't performing, and his lineup/pitching experiments have largely fallen flat. Even if I don't agree (ok, strongly disagree) with some of his moves, I think the players are mainly responsible for the team's awful record.
_R Billie - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#67940) #
Hinske's hot. The fact that the outfielders were playing deep saved the tying run from scoring.
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:42 PM EDT (#67941) #
The no-doubles defense saves the Royals as of now.
_Young - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:42 PM EDT (#67942) #
Go Cat Go!
_dp - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:42 PM EDT (#67943) #
We took the bat out of Hudson's hands so we could play for one run with Dave Berg? What the hell is going on?

Ummmm...Tosca doesn't know how to manage?
_greenfrog - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:43 PM EDT (#67944) #
Come on Cat--some of that two-strike magic.
_R Billie - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:46 PM EDT (#67945) #
Up to the O-Dog!
_Tassle - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:47 PM EDT (#67946) #
FANTASTIC at bat for Catalanatto.
_R Billie - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:47 PM EDT (#67947) #
Remember, a walk is just as good as a hit here.
Mike D - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:47 PM EDT (#67948) #
Bunt, O-Dog! Bunt!!!

[/self-parody]
_King Rat - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:47 PM EDT (#67949) #
Good God, this is tense.

Come on Orlando!
_R Billie - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:49 PM EDT (#67950) #
Walk-a-lalka-ding-dong!

That's my Faulds impression.
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:49 PM EDT (#67951) #
YEAH!!!
_Young - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:49 PM EDT (#67952) #
Who says you can't make a difference with a walk!

The Fan590 announcers are exactly right, this is just like last year!
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#67953) #
Hell of a way to tie it, coming from an 0-2 count on Delgado down 2-0 with two outs and no one on. Now, win it HERE.
_R Billie - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#67954) #
Once again, how silly does bringing DLS into a one run game seem now? If Speier was brought in straight away the Jays might have won by now.
Pistol - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#67955) #
Remember, a walk is just as good as a hit here

Indeed. Nice comeback here.

You have to win this game now.
_King Rat - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#67956) #
YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

I've never been more excited about a walk. What was the count? I'm following online.
_Nigel - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#67957) #
By the way Mike D, Mike Green posted his comment at the same time I did mine, I wasn't trying to pile on. Its all mute now!
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:51 PM EDT (#67958) #
It was a 3-1 pitch. Hudson didn't swing the whole at bat.
_King Rat - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:51 PM EDT (#67959) #
Get a hit, Dave, and some will be forgiven.
_Ryan Lind - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:51 PM EDT (#67960) #
Boy I loved those at bats.

Extremely tense, but just a great eye by the Cat and the Dog. Orlando taking on the first pitch was quite smart after he saw MacDougal walk Catalanotto.
_greenfrog - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:52 PM EDT (#67961) #
Patience, Zaun baby, patience
_R Billie - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:53 PM EDT (#67962) #
Now the Jays have to hope they have enough pen left to win this game.
_Tassle - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#67963) #
Going to extras
Could a comeback win in KC signal the beginning of a turnaround for the Jays for a second consecutive year?
_King Rat - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#67964) #
Oh well. They really have to win this now though. I have nightmares of the Calgary-Vancouver series dancing through my head.
Mike D - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#67965) #
I wasn't trying to pile on

You kidding me, Nigel? Your points are totally legitimate. We just saw the situation differently.
_Ryan Lind - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:57 PM EDT (#67966) #
Didn't last year's turnaround begin with a thrashing of the Royals?
Mike D - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:57 PM EDT (#67967) #
Wow. Two golden sombreros on the same team in the same game!

It's a little-known fact, but 5 Ks in a game is known as the "Olympic Rings."
_Ryan Day - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:59 PM EDT (#67968) #
I hate Terry Adams.
_JackFoley - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:59 PM EDT (#67969) #
Fiddle-di-di.
_Nigel - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:00 PM EDT (#67970) #
Boy that good feeling from the comeback lasted a whole third of an inning!
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:00 PM EDT (#67971) #
F#@$. You've gotta be kidding! Just ouch.
_R Billie - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:00 PM EDT (#67972) #
Wow. Adams' pitches look freaking terrible.
_King Rat - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:04 PM EDT (#67973) #
What happened?
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:05 PM EDT (#67974) #
Guiel hit a homer one pitch after crushing one foul.
_greenfrog - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:06 PM EDT (#67975) #
I don't think Adams is that bad...but closer? The reality is that the Jays simply don't have a closer, so why bother trying to anoint one? They have a bullpen by committee. Memo to Tosca: deal with it.
_R Billie - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:07 PM EDT (#67976) #
Johnson and Gomez to start the inning. There's a top of the order to strike fear in you. Just as I say that Gomez drops in a one out single.

Come on Wells. Surely you have a big hit in you.
_greenfrog - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#67977) #
Wells walks!
_R Billie - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#67978) #
Two fastballs down the pipe and Wells has missed both of them. Full count now. Walks!
_Tassle - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:11 PM EDT (#67979) #
I love when everyone is giving play by play to people watching the game. It's pointless, but you still HAVE to say it. God bless baseball :)
_dp - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:12 PM EDT (#67980) #
Gamechannel quit so i appreciate it..
_Tassle - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:16 PM EDT (#67981) #
Shoot....
I really thought they were gonna win this one
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:17 PM EDT (#67982) #
This is torture, just pure torture. The Jays have found the most heartbreaking ways to lose this entire season. This just sucks.
_R Billie - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:17 PM EDT (#67983) #
Delgado grounds into a doubleplay to end it. Though to be fair that might have been a base hit against any of the Jays' shortstops.
_Nigel - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:19 PM EDT (#67984) #
A new and ever more devastating way to lose a game every night. In 28 years of wathcing this team there is only one other prolonged stretch like this that I can remember (discounting the 7 games at the end of '87) and that was at the end of what was a very successful '82 season the bullpen collapsed on a regular basis and the team went from one demoralizing loss to another. Karma was against that team and I have to say karma is against this team.
_mathesond - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:29 PM EDT (#67985) #
I can't really say I have found all the losses this season as demoralizing as tonight's, as there were quite a few when it seemed they weren't even in the game to begin with (mind you, just going off web reports). But repeated 7-run losses come with their own bitter sting
_WillRain - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:29 PM EDT (#67986) #
I'm not one to jump on and off the bandwagon but I gotta say...something is definatly amiss here....
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:32 PM EDT (#67987) #
Check out what our old pal Billy Koch is doing. Walked the bases loaded up 3 runs in the bottom of the 9th vs. Baltimore.
_the shadow - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:34 PM EDT (#67988) #
You simply cannot have reserve infielders playing in the starting outfield at the MLB level, time to reduce the number of relievers and get some outfield help
_greenfrog - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:38 PM EDT (#67989) #
The Jays lost 3-2, and the 1-5 batters in their lineup went 3 for 23 (with one walk). Most of these at-bats were against a guy named Gobble, starting for the 7-16 Royals.

When do we hit bottom?
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:40 PM EDT (#67990) #
Why couldn't Koch do that this past weekend? After giving up a hit to drive in two, it took a diving play from his SS to avoid blowing the save.

As for the Jays...we keep saying it can't get any worse yet it does. Seriously, when's this gonna change? I figured it'd change after the sweep by the Tigers. I'm only a month off and counting.
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 10:43 PM EDT (#67991) #
Speaking of painful, this was posted on the CBS Gamecenter:
Ken Griffey Jr. of the Reds left the game in the bottom of the 3rd inning due to an injured hamstring.

That poor guy. I have absolutely no clue of the severity, but I hope he's not out long.
Named For Hank - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 11:04 PM EDT (#67992) #
The bottom of the ninth was really something great. I blew my voice out. Seriously.

Could anyone hear our GO JAYS GO in the ninth? Or our continued encouragements to Royals to try to steal second?

The hammer seemed to work every time we used it, too! I've left it in Jobu's care, and he has promised to continue to bring it out.

My voice is so blown out that it's comical. I was reduced to GO JAYS Go*squeak*cough*.

Anyone who wants to laugh at the damage I've done to myself, drop me a line (COMN) and I'll give you my work phone number so you can call me.
_Dr. Zarco - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 11:23 PM EDT (#67993) #
NFH, bottom 9 was one of the few times you could really hear the crowd. It was fun to watch one of the rare times the 'Dome crowd tried to play a part in the game. Way to give it your all (and your voice).
_Andrew Edwards - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 11:31 PM EDT (#67994) #
Great game - ugly until the 9th, and a shame we lost, but still a great game.

Delgado's at-bat in the ninth, I want it to be known, was IMO heroic. He was down 0-2, with two outs and nobody on in the bottom of the ninth, after his team had played abismally. It would have been soooo easy to give up, but he hung in, and drove the hit that would start the rally that very nearly won the game.

Carlos is the man.

I can't talk either, Aaron. Seriously, we were audible obn TV? You might have heard me calling Ken Harvey a fatso, or Benito Santiago "Grandpa".

The hammer, incidentally, is not a hammer of power, but rather a hammer of wisdom, which gives the Jays the ability to wait for goo dpitches, and take walks if necessary.

One last point: The runs the Jays did score came off - you guessed it - patience at the plate and careful baserunning, while the Royals gave up two baserunners (enough to have secured the win?) with their silly steal attempts.
_Andrew Edwards - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 11:34 PM EDT (#67995) #
Oh yeah, and the official cheer for O-Dog is now a prolonged OHHHHHHHH!

Like Mookie, only with a long "o" instead of the "oo" sound.
_jim854 - Monday, May 03 2004 @ 11:34 PM EDT (#67996) #
This is the kind of baseball we saw in Dunedin in spring training - mediocre effort after mediocre effort. At home in Dunedin there were 3 good games and 12 poor games where it appeared that the effort just wasn't there.

I thought that the team came first not the individual, so why does VW still bat in the 3rd spot?

Why was VDLS brought into a game when we down by a run and then is allowed to walk 2 batters?

Why does our relief pitching pitch well when we are losing a game but as soon as we tie it up or take a lead it goes south?

It is getting close to the 'blowup' time for this team. I think I would rather lose with the young 'kids' in the lineup than with this bunch of overpaid losers. Forget the arbitration time clock and start replacing the no-effort guys with AA and AAA players who will give every effort. At least there will be a reason when they are overmatched.

I was going to go to tomorrow's game but not after that effort tonight!
_Jobu - Tuesday, May 04 2004 @ 12:01 AM EDT (#67997) #
Some brief comments before im off to bed to nurse my sore throat:

1)NFH's throat is as sore as he says. We went nuts for quite a while.

2)The hammer is even better than you can imagine and i'll bring it every game and try to get it signed pre-game too. Look for it next game.

3)The hammer isn't really a hammer of power, but we've discoverd its a hammer of wisdom. No word yet if the hammer was just going through a phase.

Tough loss, lets get back in there and make some NOISE! GO JAYS GO!
_Jobu - Tuesday, May 04 2004 @ 12:05 AM EDT (#67998) #
Sorry to re-state the part about the Hammer of Wisdom, didnt catch Andrew's post. Today's loss is no excuse to not go tommorow when the Dome will be at its dreery worst. We need you guys there!
_SNAKE - Tuesday, May 04 2004 @ 02:06 AM EDT (#67999) #
WOW! The hammer of wisdom! I think you should knock Vernon Wells with that a few times. He's HORRIBLE. He should be placed number 9.

But you got to admire the effort of the jays tonight- they never said die, and thats the spirit I like.

GO JAYS....GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
_Niles - Tuesday, May 04 2004 @ 02:21 AM EDT (#68000) #
It's time to fire Tosca and bring in Coach.
_David Armitage - Tuesday, May 04 2004 @ 02:35 AM EDT (#68001) #
It's time to fire Tosca and bring in Daryl Sutter. Expect Moffat to show up at every single home game thereafter!
_A - Tuesday, May 04 2004 @ 03:20 AM EDT (#68002) #
I was down at the Dome this evening sitting next to a group of *Flames* fans (sorry Aaron et al, couldn't hear in the 100 level OF seats).

I was perturbed by some of the situations where it seemed obvious a bunt should be laid down but wasn't. I'm referring specifically to the situation of 1-0 and Sparky had runners on 1st and 3rd. Given the type of evening had by both the opposition's pitcher and our offense, the bunt should have been on (and it's not unheard of for Reed to leg out a bunt).

On the bright side, I loved the patience from he Jays in the 9th when we were down to our last out. Some may have over-swung and failed miserably, we held our wits together.
_JackFoley - Tuesday, May 04 2004 @ 04:55 AM EDT (#68003) #
I wonder if the person who thought Miikka was "merely average" still feels that incorrect sentiment is true. To quote the great Peter Maher, YEAH BABY!

I hope the Jays turn it around soon, but the Flames are providing a nice---and rare---May distraction.
Craig B - Tuesday, May 04 2004 @ 08:30 AM EDT (#68004) #
The Hammer of Wisdom thirsts for vengeance tonight. Time to pound Darrell May back to Japan, folks! A few home runs will make the team's record vs lefties look a lot better.
Thomas - Tuesday, May 04 2004 @ 01:36 PM EDT (#68005) #
I was sitting near those darn Flames fans, too. They pissed the hell out of me.

I don't support small ball strategy, but if you look beyond this year's tiny sample size Hudson is incredibly ineffective vs. lefties.

His career splits are .174/.217/.236. Berg's are .259/.314/.367. Yes, a RH outfield reserve would likely have better splits, but Berg is a superior hitter vs. lefties, when compared to O-Dog. I'm not sure I would have bunted in that situation, regardless, but until there's more evidence, I'll trust Berg against lefties more than I will Hudson.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, May 04 2004 @ 02:16 PM EDT (#68006) #
I was sitting near those darn Flames fans, too. They pissed the hell out of me.

I'm sure they weren't real Flames fans. I'd have kindly asked them to go back on their Leafs bandwagon where they belong.
Mike Green - Tuesday, May 04 2004 @ 03:33 PM EDT (#68007) #
Thomas, Hudson in his career has had less than 200 AB against lefties. That's a small sample size in itself (viz Kevin Cash). In a few at-bats, he has looked a little better this year. Plus he's 26. Berg has looked awful all year, and has the numbers to prove it against all types of pitching. Plus Berg's in his early 30s.

I'm not saying Orlando Hudson is Frank Thomas up there from the right side, just that Dave Berg is worse than Mario Mendoza.
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