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Will Dustin McGowan ever start another game in Double-A?
Will the Charleston Alley Cats ever lose again?

The answer to both of those questions could be, "NO"!


Scranton-WB 3, Syracuse 0 (7 innings)

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With a pair of seven-inning games on the bill yesterday in Scranton, the SkyChiefs aimed at regaining last week's upward momentum. At the end of the day though, they had played only one seven-inning tilt (the other being postponed) and had found themselves in the midst of a five-game skid. Jason Arnold, coming off a big win in his previous start (7 IP, 5 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 1 SO), gave up 3 earned runs, on 6 hits (1 BB, 3 SO, 0 HR) to take the loss. It was just another so-so performance for Arnold, who is still working out some mechanical adjustments with pitching coach Brad Arnsberg. In the bottom of the first inning, Arnold gave up a triple to leadoff hitter, Mark Budzinski, who scored moments later on a 1-4-3 put-out. The Red Barons were quiet from them on, until emerging in the fifth, with Budzinski once again the catalyst, tripling in a run, and scoring on a groundout. Dave Maurer relieved Arnold of his duties and pitched a scoreless sixth.

The SkyChief batters were 0-6 with runners in scoring position, unable to capitalize on the few runners Josh Hancock and Geoff Geary allowed for Scranton. With one out, and runners on first and second in the first inning, Simon Pond and Glenn Williams both struck out swinging. With a runner on second in the third inning with one out, Alex Rios flied out and Pond grounded out to second base. The top of the sixth brought the same result, making the Chiefs look (for a day, at least) eerily similar to their major league bretheren. Russ Adams would reach base in the seventh and final frame with a walk, but Rios flied out to right field, handing the Barons a mini-shutout. Rios (2-4, 0 BB, 0 K) was the only Chief with two hits, raising his batting average to .291 on the season. The teams will try again for a double-dip tomorrow.


Akron 3, New Hampshire 1

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Fisher Cat faithful and Eastern League fans might have caught one of their last live glimpses of Dustin McGowan yesterday. In his final April start (at 10:35 am), the Jays' #1 pitching prospect was almost perfect again, striking out a season-high nine batters, scattering three hits, and walking only one Aero through six innings (while also uncorking two wild pitches). The one run allowed came via a looping double on a 3-2 pitch in the sixth, scoring Akron's Zach Sorenson. Deserving a better fate perhaps, McGowan left with the game tied 1-1, turning the ball over to Brandon League to start the seventh inning. The Honolulan might have been affected by the weather -- light rain turned to hailstorm rather quickly in Akron yesterday -- but the net result for League was 8 pitches, 8 balls, a quick exit, and a mid-inning bullpen-call to righty Jordan DeJong. League's two walks would come into score, as unearned runs, when Matt Logan's throw to first on a sac bunt ended up in right field, and was followed by an RBI-groundout by Rodney Choy Foo. Down by two runs, the Fisher Cats could not muster a rally behind their ace, marking it as the first time -- in his 18 Eastern League starts -- Dustin McGowan's team had lost.

The Cats' only run was manufactured from an Akron miscue in the third inning. Danny Solano reached on an error and moved to second on Tyrell Godwin's single. Dominic Rich sacrificed the two men over, before Aaron Hill (0-2, 2 BB; 11 BB, 52 AB) drove in the run with a groundout to short. Matt Logan, who had half of New Hampshire's hits on the day, singled and doubled in four at-bats, while DeJong and Mississaugan John Ogiltree combined for two innings of one-hit shutout relief over the last two frames.


Dunedin 3, Jupiter 2

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Neomar Flores made a firm statement that he deserves to stay in the rotation when the organization decides to promote an arm (or three) from Charleston. The 22-year-old Venezuelan pitched shutout ball until giving up a solo home run in the fifth inning. He left after striking out the first batter he faced in the sixth inning, having put together an impressive pitching line: 5.1 IP, 6 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 7 SO, 1 HR. Dunedin opened the scoring in the bottom of the second as Miguel Negron singled with one out, moved to second on a wild pitch, made it to third on a Scott Dragicevich single, and scored on a sac fly by Jason Waugh. Flores' shutout bid was lost in the bottom of the fifth, as he gave up a one-out solo homer to Hammerhead second baseman Christopher Bass. Jupiter waited until the 8th to break the tie, scoring a run off Tracy Thorpe. With the score 2-1, the D-Jays rallied for a pair of runs in the bottom of the 8th, capped by a two-run Ron Davenport triple that scored Jayce Tingler and Brad Hassey, who had both reached base with walks.

Thorpe (2 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 SO) gave way to the dependable Andy Torres (1.2 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 2 SO), who pitched another effective relief stint for Dunedin, and became the D-Jays winningest pitcher, at 3-0 . Negron (2-3, K), continuing his revelationary 2004 campaign, was the only D-Jay with two hits. Meanwhile, Tingler went hitless, but walked twice in the leadoff spot. Big Vito, cooling off after a torrid start in the FSL, went 0-4 (2 K) in the cleanup spot.


Charleston 4, Asheville 2

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Another come-from-behind win (technically) for the A-Cats. The difference between last night's version, and Charleston's vintage come-from-behind variety, lay in the timing. Trailing 2-0, after Shaun Marcum had given up a home run in the top of the second to Tourist Trey George, the Cats started to mount the comeback. In the bottom of the second, David Smith, who had singled and advanced to third on a passed ball and a groundout, scored on a Morrin Davis groundout. The next inning, Charleston evened the score at two, manufacturing another unearned run. Willie Rivera singled and advanced to third on an error charged to the pitcher. With the next two batters unable to plate the run, Rivera awaited a two-out error by Asheville to tie the game. Charleston would take the lead for good in the bottom of the fourth, when Mike Galloway blasted a two-run homer to left center. Galloway's homer capped the scoring, leaving Alley Cat pitching to tell the rest of the story.

Marcum wasn't nearly as efficient as he was in racking up a complete game shutout in his last start. Nevertheless, the pitching line (7 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 0 BB, 7 SO) shows that, aside from the mistake to George, Marcum was in control throughout. With the victory, Marcum's record went to 3-0. The healthy competition among Charleston's pitchers seems to be bringing out the best in each "ace," day after day. Mark Sopko and Brian Reed, who pitched shutout eighth and ninth innings, respectively, seem to be overmatching Sally League hitters as much as Marcum and Co. are in the Alley Cat rotation. It was a rare off-night for Charleston's hottest hitter, second baseman Ryan Roberts, who didn't reach base in four at bats. David Smith (2-2, BB) was the only multi-hitting Cat, while Galloway was certainly the most productive (1-3, HR, 2 RBI). The win was the Cats' twelvth in a row, and drew them closer to the 48-year league record of 25 games in a row. They're idle today and open up a four-game set in Delmarva tomorrow.


Links Of The Day:

1. Rick Ryan, Charleston Gazette, has the Alley Cat game story.

2. There's another good recap from today's Daily Mail.

3. Jack Bogaczyk's plea to Charlestonians to support the best team in pro baseball right now.

4. The Union Leader has the story on the Fisher Cats' game in Akron yesterday morning.

5. Ed Gonser, Post-Standard, has the Chiefs game story from Moosic, PA.

6. Josh Banks made it to #11 on Kevin Goldstein's latest Prospect Pulse (Baseball America)


Today's Games:

Syracuse (Chris Baker, Game #1) at Scranton-WB (PHI), 6:00 pm (doublheader)
New Hampshire (Gustavo Chacin) at Akron (CLE), 10:35 am
Jupiter (FLO) at Dunedin (Josh Banks), 7:00 pm


Three-Star Selection!

Our Third Star: Michael Galloway, Charleston (Game-deciding home run in the fourth inning)
Our Second Star: Neomar Flores, Dunedin (5.1 IP, 1 ER, 0 BB, 7 SO; Flores will need a few more games like yesterday's to make his way onto the prospect radar screen)
Our First Star: Dustin McGowan, New Hampshire (6 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 9 SO; He doesn't have any more to learn in the Eastern League. Speculation on the exact date for his promotion to AAA Syracuse should end within days!)

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_Kristian - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 09:29 AM EDT (#69137) #
McGowan in all likelyhood will be making his next start for Syracuse. There is a slight possibility of him making one more start at Double A but the Jays want to get him to Syracuse and have him learn at the Triple A level ASAP. JP talked last night on how McGowan is all power right now and we might even see that in the Big Leagues when he does arrive. JP feels that McGowan will need to learn how to change speeds and take speed off his hard stuff at times to mix it up. He also stated that League was moved to the bullpen because he really only has 2 pitches. They want League to continue to pitch 2 to 3 innings to either gain that third pitch and keep his pitch count. JP seems to feel that League can be a 6th,7th,8th inning reliever rather than a closer but he has the type of arm you need to make a game a lot shorter.
_Jordan - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 09:48 AM EDT (#69138) #
Dustin McGowan at Double-A: 9-1, 2.72, 18 GS, 99 IP, 90 H, 26 BB, 93 K, 2 HR. Yeah, I’d say he’s about ready to move up.

That said, don’t underestimate how big a leap AAA is. Everyone from Jason Arnold to David Bush has struggled to varying degrees upon hitting the top level of minor-league baseball. I would go so far as to say that the AA-AAA jump is harder than the AAA-MLB jump, for pitchers, anyway. McGowan has the best raw stuff of any Jays starting prospect to hit Syracuse in years, so he’ll be better-armed than most everyone else to face that challenge, but he’s still going to have bad games and he’ll be forced to adjust in order to succeed. And remember how young he still is: he just turned 22 last month. I still maintain his Toronto debut will be a September roster-expansion call-up, not before.
_Steve Z - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 09:57 AM EDT (#69139) #
As impressive as Roberts has been for Charleston, How 'bout Mike Galloway's .327/.389/.571 (in a small sample of 49 AB) so far?!
_Steve Z - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 10:09 AM EDT (#69140) #
I've added two more links to the top:
- another good recap from the Daily Mail, and
- Jack Bogaczyk's plea to Charlestonians to support the best team in pro baseball
Mike Green - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 10:18 AM EDT (#69141) #
30 total double A and triple A starts is my benchmark minimum. That would give McGowan 12 starts minimum in Syracuse. If he continues this performance in Syracuse, he could be called up by late July/early August.

I still think that Bush will be first up.
_Robbie Goldberg - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 10:50 AM EDT (#69142) #
I still think that Bush will be first up.

I agree. I think JP will be much more hesitant to bring up a 22-year-old pitcher like D-Mac without giving him a substantial amount of time in AAA, even if he's doing really well there. Likewise, I don't think Bush is doing too bad now, and I think his performances will start to be much better as he adjusts to AAA. That being said, I honestly don't expect Justin Miller to last in the rotation all that long, and when he begins to faulter, Bush will find himself in Toronto sometime in June, methinks.
Gerry - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 12:24 PM EDT (#69143) #
New Hampshire have another school special at 10:35 this morning. Score is tied at 3 in the sixth. Aaron Hill has made two errors for the Cats.
Mike Green - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 01:06 PM EDT (#69144) #
http://www.milb.com/insider/?id=1647
COMN for an milb.com article on those amazing Alley-Cats.
Craig B - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 01:07 PM EDT (#69145) #
Akron scored a run off Dan Jackson and it's 4-3 Aeros.
Craig B - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 01:08 PM EDT (#69146) #
JFG has three strikeouts now in today's game.
Mike Green - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 02:00 PM EDT (#69147) #
4-3 final for the Aeros. JFG's hitting .175 for the season, and has struck out in 1/2 of his 40 ABs. Something is obviously very wrong (injury?). I'm not a big fan of his, but this performance is completely atypical.
Thomas - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 03:25 PM EDT (#69148) #
How did the Jays acquire outfielder Morrin Davis? His name seems to ring a trade bell, but I can't recall which one. I could be mistaken by that's the impression I get.
_Lance - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 03:33 PM EDT (#69149) #
Davis 3 round dp in 00
Craig B - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 04:14 PM EDT (#69150) #
What Lance means is that Davis was a 3rd round pick in the 2000 amaetur draft. He was picked out of the legendary Hillsborough HS in Tampa, which is Doc Gooden and Gary Sheffield's school (and Carl Everett, and the fondly remembered Floyd Youmans as well...)

He hasn't done anything yet in his pro career, but he's only 21. His problem is that he just can't make any contact at all... he has a .191 average and 241 Ks in 653 career ABs in rookie and short-season ball.
Gerry - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 04:30 PM EDT (#69151) #
I saw JFG on our road trip to Erie at the weekend. He was taking a lot of pitches. One time it worked, he took a close pitch and he walked. Another time he struck out. It would be an interesting exercise to go through the game logs to see how many times he struckout swinging versus looking.
_Steve Z - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 04:38 PM EDT (#69152) #
He hasn't done anything yet in his pro career

True. But starting the year off .308/.400/.423 (HR, 4 BB, 26 AB) is a sign of positive development for the former 3rd-rounder. There couldn't be a more positive environment for the toolsy outfielder to develop (I want to say "hone") his skills than the one in Charleston right now.
Craig B - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 04:52 PM EDT (#69153) #
He'll be honing in on success then? :)

.308 in 26 ABs, sadly, would be entirely consistent with what he's done to date. Here's hoping it's for real though!

(Jason Romano was a very disappointing first-rounder out of the same HS in 1997. Has the Doc/Sheff magic deserted them?)
_Jordan - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 04:55 PM EDT (#69154) #
Answer: Floyd Youmans, Hubie Brooks, Mike Fitzgerald, Herm Winningham.
What's the question?
_Moffatt - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 05:01 PM EDT (#69155) #
Former Expos who haven't been in my kitchen.
_Moffatt - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 05:02 PM EDT (#69156) #
Incidentally, I do know the more traditional answer. No kidding. :)
_JohnnyS99 - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 05:26 PM EDT (#69159) #
Lots of lefties available , JP Howell, Zach Jackson. You will find alot of pitchers with simmilar or better stuff then Fox. I say they draft a position prospect first, maybe Danny Putnam or Dustin Pedoira. I dotn think the Jays depth in SS prospects will affect the draft as the A's drafted quite a few short stops in the last two drafts.
Craig B - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 05:49 PM EDT (#69161) #
I'd rather see the Jays draft a pitcher, that's assuming that the few good hitters left will be gone by the #16 pick. Fox is certainly a guy with potential, but I would generally prefer a little more track record. I'd be happy taking him with the sandwich pick, but not with the #16.

Fox was below-average (that's for the NCAA as a whole, i.e. in non-prospect territory) in 2003 before making the conversion, and his otherwise impressive stats in 2004 have been recorded against some pretty weak competition.

I hate venturing a shot like this, but what about Taylor Tankersley of Alabama? Big, chunky lefthander who can pitch, but only recently got his control established.

I'd love it if catcher Landon Powell of South Carolina were still up when the #32 pick (it's 32, by the way, not 38 as is sometimes reported) comes up. But I doubt he will be.
_Robbie Goldberg - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 06:07 PM EDT (#69164) #
Most of the bios on these players make them all sound like they can be pretty good Major League players, and since I essentially know nothing about College baseball, its hard to discern between what's a good pick. That being said, I was reading the BA Chat the other day and I think it was John Manuel who mentioned Dustin Pedoira --- comparing him to David Eckstein. If that is the case, I defenitely don't think the Jays need to spend their high picks on more shortstops in the Hill/Adams mould. I'm going to agree with Craig and Mike in that I'd definitely prefer they draft a pitcher.
_Tassle - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 06:19 PM EDT (#69165) #
Mike: In the first round in baseball, you don't draft what you need, you draft the best available player. If there's a tie, then you draft what you need (Ignoring the stupid "But we already have an all-star shortstop, so we should draft a first baseman instead of a shortstop")
In the NFL, you draft for a need. In the NBA, to an extent you do. But wth 50 rounds and quality throughout, not baseball.
_MrPurple - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 06:23 PM EDT (#69166) #
http://www.naturesguard.com
Hello Bauxites, Ive been reading these posts since the winter and love this site. This is my firt post however. For some reason this is the first year I've been really excited about the draft. Guess its cause everyone knows Ric is going to draft college so its easier to narrow down the pic. I have my eye on a few.

B.J. Syzmanski-Big time power outfielder- best hitting prospect in draft.
Houston Street - not as much stuff but ++character which is the same reason JP took Aaron hill- Great name too.

David Purcey- Big 6-5 240 LHP-....duhh.

If we are really lucky - Jeremy Sowers but he should be gone by then.

With the Second pick we could still get Dan Putnam or Pedoria depending on how many teams pick High schoolers.

There you go tell me what you think.
_JohnnyS99 - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 06:35 PM EDT (#69167) #
http://fanhome.com
It doesnt matter if the jays got alot of short stop depth, Dustin Pedoira is JP's kinda player, and is the best defensive shortsthop in the draft, if hes available at #32 consider him taken. The A's had Rouse, Mccurdy, Crosby, among others from the moneyball draft. but still drafted Omar Quintanilla in the supplemental round last year.
_Ryan01 - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 06:46 PM EDT (#69169) #
I'd love it if catcher Landon Powell of South Carolina were still up when the #32 pick (it's 32, by the way, not 38 as is sometimes reported) comes up

Are you sure about this Craig? Everything I've seen says that we were bumped from the 31st pick to the 38th pick when the Angels signed Colon. I think our options get much better if we pick before some the A's supplemental picks.

If we're throwing names out. How about David Purcey, another big lefty with hard stuff who seems to have put his control problems behind him. Justin Orenduff right with low 90's stuff with a plus slider.

Pedroia does have a better arm than Eckstein and really is a true shortstop. He's also a little more solidly built so there's a chance he'll develop a little more power than Eckstein. He shown more extra base power (doubles mostly) than Eckstein did in college. Also, he strikes out about half as often and walks slightly more than Eck did in college. It is tough to compare across different divisions etc but I think Pedroia does have a little higher cieling than Eckstein.
_Sneeps - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 07:00 PM EDT (#69171) #
Ugh. It's time for our minor leagues to start HITTING.
_JohnnyS99 - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 07:01 PM EDT (#69172) #
http://fanhome.com
Dustin will be the All American Shortstop this year, pretty much does everything but hit for power. Russ Adams and Aaaron hill, were on base percentage guys, so this draft may be no different. Jp's phillosphy was pretty much demonstrated throughout the 2003 draft.
_JohnnyS99 - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 07:03 PM EDT (#69173) #
SS--Dustin Pedroia, Jr., Arizona State (.404-4-52). in 2003
_Ryan01 - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 07:10 PM EDT (#69174) #
In addition to johnny's post, Pedroia is hitting .420, 8 HR's, 22 doubles, 33 BB, 10 K's after 174 at-bats this year.
_JohnnyS99 - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 07:16 PM EDT (#69175) #
http://fanhome.com
He is likely to be taken before 32, but if hes available, i dont see JP passing.
_Dean - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 07:16 PM EDT (#69176) #
1st Round - Tyler Lumsden, LHP, from Clemson
Supp 1st - Justin Orenduff, RHP, Va. Commonwealth
2nd Round, RHP, Matt Walker,Baton Rouge, La
I hope I don't see Pedoria until the 4th or 5th round, I know he will be gone by then, because I think he is overvalued based on the lack of position players this year, if there is pitching that projects better than him then lets not overdraft him.
_Robbie Goldberg - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 07:23 PM EDT (#69177) #
Pedroia is 5-8, 175 lbs though. I'm sure he can hit, but the upside for a guy like that cannot possibly be very high. With a first round pick (or even supplemental), I'd like to see the Jays be a little more "risky" and look for guys with greater potential. They clearly have plenty of depth at this point, but with the likes of McGowan, Rios and Quiroz quickly approaching the majors, their minor league system is going to be completely devoid of potential top-tier talent. JP's tried to address the question of depth the past two drafts, now methinks it's time take some risks...
_JohnnyS99 - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 07:24 PM EDT (#69178) #
Eric Beatie they might be able to snag in the 2nd round, the 32nd pick might be a little steep.
_Robbie Goldberg - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 07:28 PM EDT (#69179) #
1st Round - Tyler Lumsden, LHP, from Clemson
Supp 1st - Justin Orenduff, RHP, Va. Commonwealth


I like the idea of taking pitchers of that mould, but based on the BA and team one rankings, it seems more likely that Orenduff (#9 college prospect according to BA, #13 overall, may even be gone by the time Jays pick) would be available come the 1st round pick and Lumsden (#24 college prospect according to BA) come the supplemental.
_Dean - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 07:34 PM EDT (#69180) #
BA's mid-season rankings has Lumsden @ 15 & Orenduff @ 18. He will probably be gone by #32 but theres always hope.
_Ryan01 - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 07:37 PM EDT (#69181) #
Orenduff has been a little inconsistent this year. Though he has flashed some dominant stuff at times including a 16 K, 8 inning pitchers duel that he ended up losing to potential #2 overall Justin Verlander from Old Dominion. He may slip a little.
_JohnnyS99 - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 07:50 PM EDT (#69182) #
Whats with the fishercats playing at 10:35am anyway?
_R Billie - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 08:14 PM EDT (#69183) #
It's impossible to tell who will be gone where from BA rankings. The real draft is pretty much unpredictable as many publications had Michael Aubrey going in the top six picks and he almost fell all the way to the Jays at #13.

There are so many variables that go into where a player is selected. Few expected the Expos to take a guy like Chad Cordero in the first round. Signability and late swings in performance can influence draft day a lot.

I expect the Jays to use their first round pick on a pitcher because of the number of quality first round options available, but the supplemental pick they may use on a hitter with the assumption that they will use the bulk of their next picks on more pitching as they have the previous two years. The Jays seem to prefer going for depth to increase their chances of having productive arms rather than relying on one or two highly valued guys.

As for Pedroia, John Manuel described his bat and hands as his best attribute and he has more power/average potential than a David Eckstein. I'm thinking of a guy like Chuck Knoblach except at shortstop. The Jays might use their supplemental pick on him and if the lasts to the second round I expect the Jays to be fairly interested though I might like getting a Josh Banks/David Bush type more in the second round. If Dustin lasts to the third round then taking him is a no brainer I think.
_JohnnyS99 - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#69184) #
Josh Banks, cruising as usual. 7-0 in the 6th !
_JohnnyS99 - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 09:22 PM EDT (#69185) #
The Blue jays will also have Edward Rogriguez , Chi-Hung Cheng, Juan Perez, Matt Foster, Brian Grant, Russel Savickas joining the upcomping group in Puluaski, Auburn. The future is looking bright.
_Sneeps - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#69186) #
Skychiefs are in an awful slump.

No runs in 3 games, with something like 6 total hits.

Guh.
_JohnnyS99 - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#69187) #
Josh Banks, zero runs, 5 innings, 7k's. This guy is obviously on a pitch count, has he even pitched past the 6th inning yet?

http://milb.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=minorbaseball&page=milb-fs/scores/final/boxscore.aspx?GAMEID=18246
Mike Green - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 10:14 PM EDT (#69188) #
To add to Johnny's post. Josh Banks left after 5 with a 7-0 lead; the D-Jays went on to a 12-5 victory. Banks' line: 5IP, 4H, 0R, 0W, and 7K. He's 3-0 with a 0.41 ERA on the season. I'd say that he's on the Bush track, and so, not long after McGowan leaves, the good people of New Hampshire will have a new pitching hero.
Pistol - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 10:32 PM EDT (#69189) #
http://www.battersbox.ca/archives/00001696.shtml#comments_0
I just realized there was some draft talk in here. As coincidence would have it I just posted a thread looking at college pitchers. COMN.

From reading things in here I might have missed Beattie.
Craig B - Wednesday, April 28 2004 @ 11:38 PM EDT (#69190) #
Are you sure about this Craig? Everything I've seen says that we were bumped from the 31st pick to the 38th pick when the Angels signed Colon.

Everything you've seen is wrong. The Jays were bumped from a 2nd to a 3rd round pick, yes, but all the sandwich picks are based on order of finish. So they should be 32nd.

Dustin Pedoira is JP's kinda player, and is the best defensive shortsthop in the draft, if hes available at #32 consider him taken.

If you see Pedroia being chosen at 32, it's because The Ghost Of Hawk Harrelson has taken over J.P.'s body. Pedroia is Jayce Tingler in the infield... a nice guy to have, for sure, but not worth a first round pick to a team with two shortstops they think a lot of.

Houston Street - not as much stuff but ++character which is the same reason JP took Aaron hill- Great name too.

Now there's an intriguing possibility. Huston Street is the best reliever in the draft, but he's a pure reliever, you know you'll never get starter time out of him. He might last until pick #16. Do you want him? He definitely will not last until #32, so you only get one crack at him. I would say no, because I want to get a guy who at least might start for me, but he's an intriguing possibility, especially since he could well do a Ryan Wagner and jump right into the majors by August.
_R Billie - Thursday, April 29 2004 @ 12:28 AM EDT (#69191) #
I don't think Pedroia is Tingler. Tingler doesn't have the power to hit 8 homers and 22 doubles in 174 at bats. To put that in perspective, Pedroia has about as many homeruns as Stephen Drew and a lot more doubles without taking into account park effects and competition.

Tingler had ONE homerun in four college seasons averaging about 200 at bats each and never more than 11 doubles in a year. Tingler had zero power. Pedroia has gap power and he can play shortstop fairly well while neither Hill nor Adams might be ideal for shortstop.

I agree that 32 may be stretching for Pedroia but he's not a pop-gun power type player. I think he's a legitimate 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder at worst, given that there isn't much position talent around. But if I had to choose between him and a Josh Banks type, I'd probably lean towards the pitcher.
_JohnnyS99 - Thursday, April 29 2004 @ 01:09 AM EDT (#69192) #
Oakland will grab him by the second round for sure. It never stopped Oakland from drafting shortstops early, so I suspect Jp to do the same. Plus its a good bet Aaron or Russ or both are moved to other positions.
_Ryan01 - Thursday, April 29 2004 @ 10:31 AM EDT (#69193) #
The Jays were bumped from a 2nd to a 3rd round pick, yes, but all the sandwich picks are based on order of finish. So they should be 32nd.

Excellent, that's good to know, thanks Craig.

I agree with R Billie that Tingler isn't exactly a fair comparison for Pedroia. Aside from the K/BB's they aren't really that similar. Pedroia has less speed but has shown way more power and has about 30 extra pounds of muscle on his frame. The guy broke the PAC-10 record for doubles in a season last year (34) and is on his way to breaking that again. Not to mention he's a very good defender at a tougher position than Tingler. Won an Easton award for National Defensive Player of the Year. Even BA recently named him the 28th best pick coming into the 2004 draft and best defender in his division. Add in his character and hustle and I wouldn't be at all surprised if JP picked him 16th or 32nd if there aren't any great pitching options left. ie, if JP thinks he's the best player available, he'll take him regardless of who we already have.

Street is interesting but I kind of hope we don't pick him. Not that I'm necessarily against drafting closers, I actually predicted JP would pick Wagner last year. But Street is strickly a control guy, high 80's mostly. He doesn't have the low-mid 90's stuff that Cordero and Wagner have and I'm not sure how well that projects him in the majors.
_Ryan01 - Thursday, April 29 2004 @ 10:41 AM EDT (#69194) #
Wow, I can't believe I spelled 'strictly' like that.
Craig B - Thursday, April 29 2004 @ 10:57 AM EDT (#69195) #
No, the Tingler comparison was hyperbole. :) Sorry.

I just don't see Pedroia fitting in with the Jays, given the middle infielders in the system currently. You can go too far with picking these guys.

Hey, if he's still avaialble at 32, who knows?
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