The Avengers. I almost never fall asleep during a movie at home. This one made me pass out in the theatre.

Oooh, Bowie reference. This time next week, I'll have seen him at the ACC. (if he cancels this time, it had better be because he's dead)

I thought The Cell was pretty horrible. The visuals were nifty, but any time any actor tried to speak I was overwhelmed with horrid script and terrible delivery. I particularly enjoyed the brave detective showing his badge to the girl who is about to drown; yes, that's much more important than actually saving her.

The Ringolsby comment is annoying, but it's also typical of his view.

In May of 2003, he wrote an article in which he panned Moneyball, including the quote, "Oakland general manager Billy Beane's ego has exploded, and author Michael Lewis has a limited knowledge of baseball and a total infatuation with Beane." I've got no problem with his opinion - we're all entitled to one - but he's been on this anti-Beane kick for a year now and it's getting pretty old. In early March, he wrote another column questioning Beane's motivations for being involved with the book. He doesn't believe that the A's system is necessarily the way to go, so he probably appreciates the chance to take digs when he can.

In fairness to the old-school Ringolsby, I don't know that his constant criticism is any worse than the constant fawning over Beane and his methods that's currently so popular. There's a middle ground to be had there somewhere.

As for the movies, I don't know where to start. I see about 15-20 every year that are terrible, so it's tough to come up with an "all time" list.

What's the most unwatchable film you've even seen?

Any game film from my brief two-year stint coaching high school girls' basketball in Ohio, especially the very last one, a first-round playoff exit in which we trailed 39-9 at the half, and the other team was being nice and ref actually told me "I'm doing what I can, coach."

Oh, wait, you mean some other kind of film?

What's the most unwatchable film you've even seen?

Unwatchable-boring award for me goes to anything by Andy Warhol, the very worst film director of all time.

Unwatchable-just-plain-bad? I saw Hot Dog : The Movie as a teenager. That was so bad I couldn't even watch the thing in the hope that boobies might appear. But the award here has to go to Driven. I was inspired to rent it by this review by the Filthy Critic (whose demise, incidentally, was greatly exaggerated). The review is, by a considerable distance, the greatest movie review I have ever read in my entire life. The movie is just awful, but it's impossible not to watch it all once you've read the review.

Incidentally, Regarding Henry has the dumbest premise of all time. Bad Man gets shot in the head and becomes a Good Man. Now if only we could do that to everyone in Hollywood...

Unwatchable-offensive? Can't remember. I've seen some awful stuff in my time, but I've blocked it out pretty neatly.

In the special category of "great films" that are unwatchable, I thought Braveheart was simply abominable, the sort of thing Ed Wood would have thrown together on a $60 million budget... stupid in conception, stupid in execution, hammy, historically risible, physically repulsive, and just plain physically impossible (my favourite bit is where the guy who throws like a girl tosses a sharpened 20-pound stick at a man wearing a steel breastplate and it goes *right through his body*). I should say it's totally unwatchable unless you're a film buff (I'm not) keen to laugh at Gibson for shooting every other shot in slow motion. I've been subjected to the thing three times now and never come close to making it through.

Ringolsby reports Detroit is interested in trading for Aaron Sele? Has anyone else seen that rumor anywhere else?

That would make the Pudge signing look filled with forethought by comparison.

Yeah, I don't think Sele's coming back. But when you think about it, it's not the worst idea if they can get the Angels to eat 80% of his salary. The Tigers have money to spend, no one to spend it on, and Sele's only 34 in June, so he still might pull it out. The Tigers, I think, believe they can compete in that godawful division, so given that assumption (and only given that assumption) grabbing Sele in the hope that he can give you 180 innings with a 4.50 ERA isn't a dumb idea - provided you pay him 20% of his salary or something. What do they have to lose? It's only one year.

Read the Ringolsby piece. I actually don't see what's so bad about it. Tosca is clearly a potential fall guy, as are Bowa, Williams and Brenly. CT isn't incompetent like those three are (neither is Jim Tracy) but a lot of people around here have also thought that Tosca was hired to be fired.

What would piss me off is if Tosca were fired and no one else gave him a chance. He's earned a fair shot.

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Hey guys, don't know if this has been posted or not, so I'll throw it up there. Craig B.'s College Hitters and Pitchers get a mention on ESPN, COMN for details.

Nice job.

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A music reference I actually get.
Bowie rocks.

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I was inspired to rent it by this review by the Filthy Critic

That is the greatest film review I've ever read! I never saw Driven, but I have seen a couple of recent "guys racing cars to prove their manhood" flicks, and they all seemed about the same.

RE: Braveheart. Couldn't agree with you more. I couldn't believe how historically inaccurate it was. Not in "we'll change the order of a couple things and embellish some events" way, but more of "We'll take 150 years of history and pretend it happened in 3 weeks" kind of way.

Cheers,

Mike

Read the Ringolsby piece. I actually don't see what's so bad about it.

I don't think it's bad in and of itself. However, I'm bothered by it because I think TR means it more as a shot at the "Beane" school than as strictly a fact. Or maybe I'm just reading too much into it because of his previous commments.

Pret a Porter (Ready to Wear). The only movie I've ever walked out of in a movie theatre.

Mission to Mars was awful, but was unintentionally comical so I managed to stay for the whole thing. The crowded theatre I was in ended up cheering when anyone died.

Reindeer Games was a horrible way for John Frankenheimer to end his illustrious career.

Ringolsby is a jerk. If he wants to talk about axes, maybe he should look around the baseball writing landscape and note that there are lots of guys doing a better job them him (and most of them are doing it for free). His days are numbered.


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[quote]Topic of the Day: What's the most unwatchable film you've even seen?[/quote]

I can usually make it through any movie. I've never walked out of one in the theatre (although the ones I see in the theatre are generally ones I know I definitely want to see) and I've only turned off a couple of videos. One was the old thriller [i]The 39 Steps[/i] which was certainly not unwatchable; I was just tired and couldn't get into it.

The other was Bobcat Goldthwait's [i]Shakes the Clown[/i]. It was the peanut butter line that got me. Sorry, Bobcat; I'm out.

(I saw [i]The Avengers[/i] in the theatre. I really liked the original TV show and wanted to like the movie very much. But it was not to be. I could see them, on the screen, trying, really [i]trying[/i], to make it good. Couldn't do it.)

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I worked at a movie theatre for 7 years.
In my opinion, the worst movies we got over that period were:

Batman Forever
The Avengers
and
The Flintstones

The worst movie I've ever seen is Series 7: The contenders though.
This is the movie that makes me question using http://www.rottentomatoes.com as a guide to movies.

Also, I thought Braveheart was tremendous. Still do actually.

The worst movie I've ever seen is Series 7: The contenders though.

I couldn't disagree more, Paul. Series 7: The Contenders is black comedy and satire of the highest order. It's one of my favourites.

Police Academy 7: Mission To Moscow

They should have ended the series at 6. After "City Under Seige", it just got stupid.

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We seem to be having some server problems today. I'll get rid of all those double posts.

Man. Look at my post (# 14). Sorry about that; usually I know what website I'm posting on.

Thanks Mike , Major Tom will singing in my head all day. :-)

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Thanks Mike , Major Tom will singing in my head all day.

That was yesterday's song. Today's song is Space Oddity by David Bowie. ;)

Cheers,

Mike

For truly unwatchable films, you really need to hang around film festivals. While most of the films that I've caught at the Toronto festival have been quite enjoyable, some have driven me screaming from the theatre, driving spikes into my eyes.

Some notable ones to avoid:

Les Manes Vides
Everyday God Kisses Us On The Lips
Twentynine Palms

(although, I have to take my friend's word that les manes vides was bad. I was catching a pretty durned good nap thru it before she woke me up halfway thru insisting that we leave)

Worst movie - Solaris. Horrible stuff. I still don't even know what I watched and anything by Pauly Shore.

Leigh, I consider myself someone who likes black comedy and satire.
And I have friends whose opinion I respect tell me that Series 7 is a funny movie. I still found it vile. Vile's not a word I manage to use in everyday conversation very often, but I think it's appropriate for my response to Series 7. Maybe I have a misunderstanding of black comedy and satire, or maybe I was just in the wrong mood.

Of course, you should take my opinion with a grain of salt, as all this is coming from a guy that didn't like Lost in Translation.

It's easy to pan what is widely considered a bad movie. I like Craig's move of naming Braveheart which is generally considered a good movie. I'll throw out my personal supposedly good movie that caused me to walk out of the theatre.

Fargo

About an hour into the film the overdone Minnesota accents just got to me and I had to leave. Apparently, there's a cool woodchipper scene in the film that I'll never see.

Last week I also saw Lost in Translation and I found it utterly awful. The Virgin Suicides was also very badly done, notwithstanding the pretty cool soundtrack by Air. In Hollywood right now, I think there is an extreme case of "The Emperor's daughter having no clothes" going on.

Brenly was denied a contract extension in the off-season. To add to Brenly's insecurity, Mark Grace, who has moved from the active roster to the broadcast booth, has made it known his goal is to manage the team. And, as former Arizona manager Buck Showalter can attest, Brenly knows what a broadcaster can do to undermine a manager.

Ouch! Did Brenly knock Ringolsby's cowboy hat off or something? Or is Tracy just that nasty to everyone?

I have no objection to the notion that Tosca is on the hot seat; not that he's a problem (see Bowa, Larry) but it's his contract year and expectations are high. But "Ricciardi will need a scapegoat to absolve himself of blame" is a completely unwarranted cheap shot.

Ricciardi will need a scapegoat to absolve himself of blame

Well, isn't this why most managers are fired? I mean, most managers aren't fired because they do a bad job, they are fired because a bad team is put in the field. And it's the GM's job to field those players.

Look, I like J.P. too, but I don't think it's a cheap shot to give an honest appraisal of a situation that happens three or four times a season around baseball - where managers become scapegoats for lousy teams. It's not really honest to smack J.P. with it and not other GMs, but it's still true.

That said, I don't think the Jays are going to play poorly early on (maybe after the All-Star break, though), and I think Carlos Tosca's job is safe for 2004.

I agree with Cristian. Lost in Translation is absolutely horrible. When I see films like that I just get a complex in that I think perhaps I just didn't understand it. I must be too shallow for it.

The other though on the top of my list was Richard Gere's "Dr.T and the Women". Wow, now that was bad!

Disagree with Fargo - sorry!!! Great movie!! And the accents were supposed to be overdone.

Loved "Fargo". Liked "Lost in Translation".

"The Piano" ranks as my worst highly-rated movie. A weak plot and uninspired acting did it in for me.

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Christian and Jay.... I'm so glad to find someone that didn't like Lost in Translation. My friends and I have a website, and I posed a review of LIT, and everyone jumped on me to tell me how wrong I was to not like LIT. I started to feel the same way Jay... was there something about me that meant I couldn't appreciate it?
Then i realized that I like movies that are plot based and not character based, and there's nothing wrong with that. And the Emperor is definetly naked.

I can understand not particularly liking Lost in Translation... but hating it? Maybe it's not great, but it's certainly not bad.

I tried, so hard, to like Crash, but it was just so unintelligible. And Ichi The Killer was just brutal, for a number of reasons; I'm a big Takashi Miike fan, but Ichi was just too much.

That is the greatest film review I've ever read!

Roger Ebert's review of Jaws IV: The Revenge is the funniest film review I have ever read, and with good cause: the movie itself was one of the worst ever made, albeit in the Ed Wood mold. Somewhere, Michael Caine just shivered.

As far as bad "good" movies, I could not stand Jerry Maguire or As Good as it Gets, just to name two of the tip of my tongue. They were both more manipulative than the norm, among other faults, and I just didn't see what was so darling about a three-year-old saying "f*ck" or a curmudgeonly aging writer. But I didn't walk out of the theater during either of them, because Tom Cruise is so nice to look at, and because I was too busy sleeping through As Good as it Gets.

- Buck yesterday, Devo today....
ESPN's Alan Schwarz has Devon White's memorable (triple)play from the '92 WS in his list of greatest CF plays.

- Going a little too far, IMO, Mike Rutsey writes that Simon Pond is a "lock" to make the team on April 5

- The Chiefs continue to fly in the less publicized world of minor league spring training

- Looking for an under-the-radar player, not on the Spring Training roster, to make it to the Show with the Jays this year? Look out for lefty Mark Lukasiewicz. In 2 hitless innings so far with the big squad, he's faced 6 batters, striking out 5! He's someone to watch closely over the next few weeks...

You can get all the recent SkyChief game recaps here.

Somebody PLEASE write this headline.
Reds Acquire Bubba, Bong

Whoops, I forgot to close the font size tag.

Worst movie:

Hmmm... I just saw A Man Apart, and it was wretched.

Maybe, Rock-A-Doodle.

Worst big name successful movie? Gone With The Wind was offensive. Dances With Wolves was incredibly over-rated.

As for some of the movies listed by others here, Fargo was brilliant. Series 7 was good, but not great.

Well, isn't this why most managers are fired?

Point taken, Craig. There have been many managerial scapegoats over the years, and there always will be. However, that implies that the GM (or in some cases, owner) is at fault, and the firing is to cover his own backside. Neither is the case in Toronto, where J.P. has actually cleaned up a mess, not created one, and I'm certain he'd be man enough to shoulder the responsibility if he had made critical mistakes.

I think Carlos Tosca's job is safe for 2004.

We're in accord there, but that's not exactly a ringing endorsement for 2005. Do you anticipate a change? I feel more confident with Carlos in charge than I would with an unproven "celebrity" manager like Paul Molitor or any of the available retreads.

Hmmm... I just saw A Man Apart, and it was wretched.

I regret having paid the money to see that film at the theater. Bad acting, bad script, and bad direction from F. Gary Gray. One of the worst movies I saw last year.

However, that implies that the GM (or in some cases, owner) is at fault, and the firing is to cover his own backside. Neither is the case in Toronto, where J.P. has actually cleaned up a mess, not created one, and I'm certain he'd be man enough to shoulder the responsibility if he had made critical mistakes

I'm sorry, I'm just as certain he's not. Look, I intend no offense at all to J.P. Ricciardi, who I like, who I think is likable and a very straight shooter as GMs go. But the man can't fire himself. If the team struggles this year heads will have to roll, and Tosca is the guy in the firing line. I think that would be too bad, and it may well be that J.P. would think it's too bad, but that's the way it is because the ticket-buying public would demand it.

Unlike many of the people on Da Box, I think Tosca's a good manager, and I think J.P. thinks he's a good manager too. But that doesn't mean he would weather a serious storm lashed to his mast. If the Jays sink, J.P. is cutting Tosca loose.

I don't think the team will struggle early, so I don't think Tosca will be fired during the season. But I'm wary of their ability to compete in the tougher schedule in the second half, I'm very wary of the new starting pitchers (Batista excepted), and I am even more wary of the offense's ability to repeat a banner year. I'm wary of the ability of the young players who will be called up midseason to produce right out of the gate.

In my heart of hearts, I know this team can win 95 games and I hope like hell they do. But in my hyper-critical forebrain, I don't think they will, I think they will struggle to reach last year's win total, and I think that will be a tremendous disappointment. And yes, I think it will be hard to retain Tosca after that. If that happens (and I would like it just as little as the rest of you) I'll be surprised to see him retained.

I thought Punch Drunk Love was horrible. Did it even have a plot?

I have to say, Craig, I only made it halfway through that Driven review. Filthy is a kind description.

I found it funny that someone put Batman Forever on their list... I'm a Jim Carrey fan, so maybe I'm biased, but I didn't think it was that bad. Batman and Robin, on the other hand, may be the worst movie of the 20th century. I've never felt BAD for an actor before, but my heart went out to George Clooney when I saw him doing press for what he obviously knew was an absolutely terrible piece of work.

I liked Lost in Translation. Braveheart I was underwhelmed by.

To turn things around, has anyone gone into any "GREAT!" movies expecting to be disappointed, and been pleasantly surprised? I was stunned at how much I enjoyed Casablanca and (to a lesser extent) Citizen Kane.

S.K., I'm the one that put Batman Forever on my list.
And I was wrong, I meant Batman and Robin. I agree with you on its quality. The Batman series was going steadily downhill until B&R, when it jumped off the cliff.
And I dno't have much hope for the new one. Every day there's a new announcement of a new actor in the movie. I think Superhero movies succeed when you keep it simple. You don't need a sidekick, a love interest, 4 villains, and the foreshadowing of a future villain all in one movie. Forget about selling toys and worry about making a good movie. (I think the X Men movies have been an exception to this rule, as they don't have to worry about giving us an origin for every character. They can just present them, say they were born like that, and get on with the movie).

5-0 Minnesota in the first inning (with Doc on the mound). Ouch!

Worst movie I've ever seen? Speed 2: Cruise Control.
The most overrated movie I ever saw was Titanic. It was three hours too long, boring, and just plain awful. (IMHO of course.) Plus, I don't like Celine Dion and that song was played EVERYWHERE for years. (If you listen closely to the song, the line "my heart does" sounds like "my hot dogs.")

Chocolat - full of cliches - my only enjoyment was predicting everything that was going to happen
No Man's Land - much hyped foreign film but I found it a clunker
A Beautiful Mind - a promising movie blown by the screenwriter and director

LIT - a fine understated movie
Braveheart - perfectly fine for what it was (certainly didn't deserve the awards)

We know Major Tom's a junkie
Strung out on heaven's highs
Hitting an all-time low

Yay!

Oooh, Bowie reference. This time next week, I'll have seen him at the ACC. (if he cancels this time, it had better be because he's dead)

I couldn't make the replacement show, so instead I'm going to see him at the John Labatt Centre in London in May, couple of days before my birthday.

Let me know how the show is!

If the team struggles this year heads will have to roll, and Tosca is the guy in the firing line....I think they will struggle to reach last year's win total, and I think that will be a tremendous disappointment.

Craig, I can't help but wondering if you're thinking inside the Box a bit here. I'm very excited about this team, I think they have a non-negligible chance of sneaking past one of the big boys of the East, and I think that's the general perception here in the Box. But what's the perception outside the Box, what does Joe (Toronto) Fan expect from this team? I think he looks at Alex Rodriguez and Kevin Brown and Curt Schilling and Keith Foulke and Miguel Tejada, and contrasts those big names with guys he's never heard of... Miguel Batista? Justin Speier? The only name amongst the newcomers that really rings a bell for him is Pat Hentgen, and even Joe Fan realizes Pat's not exactly at the peak of his career. This all said, I think Joe Fan is a lot less optimistic than the average Bauxite, and his expectation is that the Jays will fight it out with the Orioles for fourth... a third-place, 84-win finish won't be horribly disappointing to him.

The worst 'good' movie of all time has to be LA Confidential.
i don't know how anyone can sit through that drivel.

I thought Punch Drunk Love was horrible. Did it even have a plot?

That movie was pure torture.

Punch Drunk Love was great. I know someone exactly like the main character so it really hit home.

The worst 'good' movie of all time has to be LA Confidential.
Wow. I think that LA Confidential is one of the best movies of all time. It's the only movie I own on DVD.
What didn't you like about it?

I saw Intollerable Cruelty (Clooney and Zeta-Jones) on a plane a few weeks ago. Worst. Movie. Ever.

Wilner, on the all-too-brief 3:00 update, said Doc was victimized by his "D" today, when O-Dog misplayed what looked like a double-play line drive, then Bergie, at his sixth-best position (SS) was "eaten up" by a DP ground ball.

Worst movie ever (baseball division) -- The Babe, with John Goodman, who is about as good an athlete as Jiminy Glick.

Isn't it amazing that two people can watch the exact same movie and have completely different thoughts about it? I guess that's what makes movies so much fun. I'm a big believer that the circumstance in which you watch the movie really impact how much you like it. Watch nearly any movie with a bunch of friends at a theater and it's bound to be better than one watched alone on a plane (not to pick on ya braden). I also happen to love LA Confidential...

As for baseball, it's 7-5 Twinkies in the 8th.

Watch nearly any movie with a bunch of friends at a theater and it's bound to be better than one watched alone on a plane.

There is an opposite effect if you watch a video with a bunch of friends who happen to be 20 times more clever than you (one). When I saw The Rock, it was with a group of supremely funny, witty people, and there was simply no hope even to enjoy any potential mind candy the film had to offer. Granted, The Rock never claimed to be Citizen Kane, but it had no chance from the get go.

As for LA Confidential ... aarrgh. I was living in Los Angeles when it was released, and I went to see it nine months after it was released, in the theater. So the wife and I show up about 30 minutes early -- standard extra-time allowance in case of: too much traffic, too little traffic (heart attacks, from surprise, ensue when you realize there's nobody on the road), riots, angst-ridden Valley guys and gals causing a ruckus, and the like. Naturally, the film is sold out. NINE MONTHS AFTER IT'S BEEN RELEASED. When I finally saw it on video, it didn't matter. I hated it, and couldn't understand how Vicki Vail won an Oscar, how Vicki Vail was nominated for an Oscar, or how Vicki Vail ever got a job modeling finger-hair remover.

I really liked Punch Drunk Love.
The worst movie that I've ever seen is Simone. You could see in Al Pacino's eyes that he was in pain making such an awful movie.

I don't see J.P. tying the can to Tosca unless it's painfully obvious he can't handle his bullpen (again) AND they don't break .500.

Loved Punch Drunk Love, but who cares, right? The el-stinko list:

King Ralph (you think Goodman was bad in The Babe?)

Disney's The Black Hole (omigod it was awful)

The Avengers (Mr. Cranky's review was hilarious)

Battlefield Earth (Mr. Scientology's Waterloo)

pretty much anything directed by Lina Wertmuller (sp?)

Most overrated - for me, it's a tie between Titanic and Citizen Kane --- I LIKED Kane, but geez, it isn't even Welles' best film!

(again, what do I know - I am pining for Yellowbeard to be released on DVD)

Zoolander is the only movie I haven't finished (intentionally anyway).

Jays lost to Minnesota 7-5. Halladay got knocked around for 6 runs (5 earned) on 9 hits in 5IP with 2K and 2BB. Lopez gave up a run in 2 innings, his outing included a hit and 2 walks plus a K and a balk; Kershner pitched a scoreless inning, allowing a hit and a walk with no strikeouts. Halladay's unearned run was the result of a Hinske error.

On the offensive side, Cash came through with 3 hits and Johnson and Pond each collected 2 hits and 2 runs. The Jays only walks on the afternoon went to Phelps and Werth, Werth was also HBP.

Worst movies?

Sadly, anything done by Jackie Chan in the last few years has been absolutely dreck, especially the Medallion; just when it seemed a JC movie could get any worse after The Tuxedo. It's sad when compared to his great older films, even the Rush Hour series was entertaining.

As for highly rated movies, Mulholland Drive has to be possibly the worst movie ever. As someone who has taken more than a few university film classes, it was quite amusing to have a room full of friends tell me I was ignorant for not getting it; when asked what 'it' was, the room was deafened by a wall of silence....

Among other top-grossing films of all-time no one has mentioned: Titanic, Spider-Man, Independence Day, X2, Armageddon, and, I can't believe no one has mentioned this one: Pearl Harbor! And a rule of thumb: if it's on TBS, it's crap; edited, condensed crap.

Worst movie, if it can be called that, was the Olsen twins' movie Passport to Paris. I generally try to find the bright spots of quality movies, though, so I have nothing like Fargo or Titanic that I hated that much. I saw Intolerable Cruelty, I thought it was all right, definitely not repulsive. As for The Babe, I thought it was okay too. It's fun to watch a couple times at least, even if it's not a really good movie.

Jonny German, I agree with you. The high expectations for the Jays this year are mostly derived from this website. I'd say most casual Jays fans would be very happy with 86 wins again, and for the season to be a disappointment, the team would need to be under .500.

Worst movie of all time that I have seen: TERROR OF TINY TOWN

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As a sometimes physics student and always inquisitive person, my favourite movie review ever is Intuitor's Insultingly Stupid Movie Physics review of The Core.

After reading that review, I found it almost impossible to take the movie seriously. Watching with a bit of physics training in my mind was like performing dental surgery on myself. But it still isn't the worst movie I can remember seeing.

That particular indignity I bestow upon SOLARIS (2002), which was poorly paced, utterly spare of emotion and by the end completely unintelligible. I would gladly put Joe's Physics Seal Of Approval™ on The Core if only it meant I hadn't sat through Clooney's monstrosity.

As for best movies, i will list a few that are great films you might not have seen:
October Sky, Donnie Darko, Equilibrium, happy texas, spell bound, The Experiment(german foreign), owning mahoney. And those are just the ones i have seen recently.

LA Confidential is a great, great film, in my opinion, and is a rare exception to the TBS crap.

I also really enjoyed Mulholland Drive and think you are off-base in your analysis, Fozzy. I assume you've argued with someone before about it, but if you want to expand about what you don't like/get about the film, I can attempt to answer your critiques. I mean, a lot of people just don't like a certain film, but if you think that it doesn't have a message, or if you don't get "it" I can give you my interpretation, for what that's worth (probably not a lot). But I don't know if a Blue Jays message board is the best place for that.

I liked L.A. Confidential but I thought the ending was kind of stupid.

I loved The Black Hole when I saw it. Of course, I was probably around ten at the time.

Braveheart was okay but a) went on way too long and b) was kind of silly the way they put modern ideas of freedom and liberty in the mind of a medieval Scottish aristocrat.

There are a lot of stats-oriented people on this site. Anyone want to calculate what percentage of this thread actually related to baseball?

I also really enjoyed Mulholland Drive and think you are off-base in your analysis, Fozzy.

Thomas, that's my problem with the movie: the simple fact that people keep trying to pin an ultimate meaning of the film on others.

I didn't really analyze it, but my true thoughts are of the movie that its true meaning is in the simple fact that it wishes to create an individual and unique meaning to each and every viewer, allowing them to try and links the events to their own lives by the . Is it right? Maybe; maybe not, but it's not really the point of a film - a truly successful film, in my mind anyways, creates special meaning or even entertainment for the individual.

I've read in a few places that this film was actually a two-piece made-for-TV film that was rejected by the networks, and the director was asked to create an extra 45 minutes to make it feature length. I've also read a few places that even Cronenberg had no idea what the film was about; what it's all worth is not much more than a grain of salt though.

Personally, I just felt the film do be lacking direction, and while I tried to create some illusionary meaning, it just did nothing for me; it just happens, I guess, can't please everyone all the time.

But yeah..... uh... yeah.. go Jays!

I know it's weird to talk about baseball, but even though Myers said he's staying cause he had so much fun (he was going to retire after the end of last year) he's staying as a favour to JP and their lack of big-league catching depth, at least in part? Thoughts?

I apologize, my tiredness has caused me to post in mid-thought.... sorry :(

what i meant to say in my second paragraph was:

I didn't really analyze it, but my true thoughts are of the movie that its true meaning is in the simple fact that it wishes to create an individual and unique meaning to each and every viewer, allowing them to try to link the events to their own lives by the key landmarks of the film. Is it right? Maybe; maybe not, but it's not really the point of a film - a truly successful film, in my mind anyways, creates special meaning or even entertainment for the individual.

Coffee please....

Cronenberg? David Lynch maybe. Great movie but I didn't get it.

For all the hype, the worst film has got to be the Lord of the Rings. I faithfully went to all three but the whole time felt quietly embarrassed for all the people enjoying it.
One movie I expected nothing from but enjoyed anyway was Jackie Chan's Shanghai Noon. Owen Wilson is just a funny guy is all.

Cronenberg? David Lynch maybe. Great movie but I didn't get it.

More coffee please.. I stand corrected :)

I'll second the positive feedback for "Happy, Texas" ...

Also, Cube, is a great movie. And was a canadian film.

Looks like it was my fault Sorry