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This has already been posted as a comment, but to get it the extra attention it deserves (and to facilitate linking by some interested parties - thanks guys) we are presenting some research by Mike Green on Cory Lidle. Thanks Mike!


The Story on Cory
by Mike Green


Cory Lidle had by all appearances an atrocious year in 2003. His ERA was 5.75. He walked more than he had in years. He gave up more homers than he had in years.

But, his DIPS ERA, courtesy of Jay Jaffe, was 4.47. Normally, DIPS will take full account of deterioration in walk and home run rate. DIPS does normalize for the ballpark, with respect to home runs and so has him with 22 home runs allowed rather than the 24 he actually allowed. This accounts for 3 runs or so, but hardly explains the yawning gap between the DIPS and actual ERA figures. With this in mind,which is more reflective of Cory's performance, his DIPS or his actual ERA?

The theories that I had to explain the disparity between the DIPS and the actual ERA were:

1. he gave up more hits on balls in play than expected by DIPS because he gave up an unusual number of line drives,

2. he gave up more hits on balls in play than expected by DIPS because he is a ground-ball pitcher, and was particularly affected by the weak Blue Jay infield defence at 3b and short

3. His actual ERA is higher than it should be, because the relievers behind him allowed a disproportionate share of his inherited runners to score, and

4. Poor clutch pitching (bunching of runs and hits)

Mike Emeigh has sent me an e-mail confirming that Cory Lidle gave up an average number of line drives last year. So, the first theory seems unlikely to explain the disparity. As for the third theory, I reviewed Lidle's starts from last year, and here are the results of the inherited runners he left:

a. man on first, 0 outs, no runs scored (1 time)
b. man on first, 1 out, 2 runs scored (3 times)
c. man on first 2 outs, no runs scored (1 time)
d. man on first and second, 0 outs, 6 runs scored (4 times)
e. man on first and second, 1 out, 2 runs scored (2 times)
f. man on third, 0 out, 1 runs scored (2 times)
g. man on third 1 out, 2 runs scored (2 times)

I don't have the run expectations, normalized for the Skydome, for each of these situations, but it is obvious looking at the chart that at most the bullpen cost Lidle a run or two, which at maximum would be .1 on the ERA.

As for the effect of defence on Lidle's ERA, he gave up 6 hits more than expected by DIPS. It is true that he give up 3 times the number of groundballs as flyballs, and that right-handed hitters hit him much better than left in 2003 (the opposite was true in 2002). Hinske's range factors were very poor and Bordick/Woodward's were about average. But, still it is only 6 hits that we are speaking about.

Finally, there is the question of clutch pitching/baserunner bunching. Check out Cory Lidle's splits. Overall, opponents hit .282/.335/.467. With runners on, opponents hit .319/.371/.523. With runners in scoring postion, opponents hit .305/.366/.524. Lidle was very good with no one on and one/two outs (opponents hit .243/.301/.365) There was significant evidence of baserunner bunching at work here. Checking Cory's splits from 2001 and 2002 reveals no such bunching.

What do I conclude from this? The difference between Cory's actual and DIPS ERA result froma combination of the following factors, probably in this order: baserunner bunching/poor clutch pitching, the normalization of HRS allowed in the DIPS formula, moderately poor defensive support and moderately poor relief support. This was not the conclusion I expected when I started, but there you go.

An interesting question is why Lidle performed so poorly in the clutch pitching categories in 2003 compared with previous years. Was it simply bad luck or the result of the erosion of confidence, arising from the less favorable environment in 2003 compared with previous years?
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_R Billie - Monday, February 02 2004 @ 04:33 PM EST (#79800) #
I think there's something to the confidence thing. Lidle was a MUCH slower worker with runners on base than with bases empty. I don't know if he was consciously working on improving his delivery from the stretch or something but he'd go from a steady rhythm of delivering pitches to a very slow Steve Trachsel or Juan Guzman type pace.

Another guy who would pitch almost the same way with runners on was Jeff Tam. Extremely slow to decide on a pitch, come to the set position, and then deliver it. His splits show a better performance with runners on though except in almost every situation he allowed a very high opponent OBP (close to .400!). So in Tam's case he was just a plain unable to locate his pitches where needed.
_Ducey - Monday, February 02 2004 @ 04:52 PM EST (#79801) #
Hey dude, it's cause he was off the "grass", man --

Is it possible that its becasue he was on the Astroturf at Skydome instead of the grass in Oakland? I don't really know what DIPs is. I know you said "DIPS does normalize for ballpark" but does it adjust for a larger number of groundballs getting through the infield? Couldn't Cory's problem's be in part explained by the fact he may hve tried to adjust to the turf (induce less ground balls)?
Mike Green - Monday, February 02 2004 @ 05:10 PM EST (#79802) #
DIPS ERA is a calculation of an ERA substitute that is independent of the defence behind the pitcher. It uses the pitcher's walks, home run and strikeout data solely. It generates its own projected hits allowed. Statistically, a pitcher's DIPS ERA in a particular year is a better projector than his actual ERA in that year of his actual ERA in the following year.

In Lidle's case, DIPS projected that he would give up 210 hits, in coming to the 4.47 ERA figure. He actually allowed 216 hits. So, while the artificial turf in Skydome, or the defensive difference between Eric Chavez/Miguel Tejada and Eric Hinske/Chris Woodward might have hurt Lidle some, it doesn't seem to have added up to much in terms of extra hits allowed.
_Matt - Monday, February 02 2004 @ 05:22 PM EST (#79803) #
He could be the guy to surprise us all and win this off-season FA award that everyone seems to be chirping about. His style may very well flourish in the great american ballpark. Groundballs are a savior in that grassy, home-run friendly ballpark.

btw, all these adjusted stats are very interesting. Does anyone know where I can find more info on how people do that? Or just a good place to start off in a study of sabermetrics??? I would be really interested on taking up such an endeavor...
_Scott - Monday, February 02 2004 @ 05:52 PM EST (#79804) #
Matt,

Check out the "Primate Studies" section at www.baseballprimer.com. For info. on DIPS, check out:

http://www.baseballstuff.com/fraser/new/dips.htm

Personally, I'm not one of the mathematically inclined sabrmetric junkies, and if you aren't either, just do what I do: read the paragraphs and trust them about the math. :)
Dave Till - Monday, February 02 2004 @ 06:22 PM EST (#79805) #
Warning: anecdotal evidence ahead! Not a shred of research or documentation!

I'm wondering whether pitchers traded to Toronto tend to go into shock when confronted with the SkyDome in April. Balls tend to fly out of the park when the roof is closed and the heat is on. An established pitcher, when he realizes that some of his routine fly balls are carrying over the left-field fence, may become discombobulated.

Mind you, Lidle pitched well in the spring, as I recall, so that theory may not hold water. :-)
_Jim Detry - Monday, February 02 2004 @ 07:19 PM EST (#79806) #
An extreme ground ball pitcher might be expected to get more double plays than average. Perhaps his "clutch" problem was getting the ground ball when he needed it, but not the DP. This wouldn't show up as more hits than normal, but it would hurt his ERA. If I knew where to find DP data I'd check this myself.
_R Billie - Monday, February 02 2004 @ 08:36 PM EST (#79807) #
Very good point Jim. Hinske in particular was very poor at starting double plays because of his slow release. And Woodward struggled with his defence at times as well. That might be a factor but I'm not sure if it's something that can be gleaned from stats.
Mike Green - Monday, February 02 2004 @ 08:41 PM EST (#79808) #
That is a good question, Jim. I will check out how many DPs were turned behind Cory in 2003.

Espn.com has game logs for every game last season. There probably is a service where you can purchase this info (Bill James used to report it in his annual abstracts).
Mike Green - Monday, February 02 2004 @ 09:21 PM EST (#79809) #
The Jays turned 24 DPs behind Cory last year (opponents had 745 ABs). This is a below average total for a groundball pitcher who has a significant number of baserunners, but it is not ridiculously low.
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