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Steve Z has brought us a troika of interesting columns this morning, all dealing with how the Blue Jays are coping with Hurricane George (and, to a lesser extent, Typhoon Theo) in this tumultuous off-season. From the Hijack Central 3 thread:

John Donovan of SI.com wrote this column, while there are two surprisingly good local columns today: one from Dave Perkins of the Star, and the other from Ken Fidlin of the Sun.

I'll add this one, in a similar vein, from ESPN's Buster Olney. All these columns have one thing in common: a hopeful confidence that the Yankees and Red Sox are spending their way to short-term gain and long-term oblivion.

Before we get too far along, we really should accept one thing: by the time this off-season is over, Boston and New York will be the prohibitive co-favourites to win next year's World Series. The Yankees' projected lineup compares favourably with any starting nine fielded in the Bronx since a guy named Ruth roamed right field, and more pitching help is undoubtedly on the way. The Red Sox had a record-breaking offence last year, and their pitching staff is going to be almost twice as good this season. Both franchises have minor-league systems that are just about out of gas, but there are a few valuables down there that can be dealt, along with debt relief, for more help next July. So le's not kid ourselves: Toronto should expect another third-place finish next season, even though the team will have taken giant steps forward and could reasonably be asked to win 90 games (though a Giambi hamstring pull and Pedro shoulder pain are never far away, and youneverknow what can happen).

All that said, I'd much rather place money on the 2005 Jays than on either of the other two eastern juggernauts that season, and by 2006 I'll be expecting a deep playoff run. The Yankees won't pay for their largesse this year, but by spring '05, a lot of these expensive acquisitions are going to hit their best-before date, and the homegrown talent (Bernie Williams, Jorge Posada, even Derek Jeter) has long since peaked. Conceivably, George could swallow this $200 million and go buy another $200 million worth of stars, but conceivably I could become the star of Loft Story; it's not worth worrying about. What is true is that the latest Steinbrenneresque moves have more than a whiff of the 1980s about them. The smarter Yankee fans, while of course enjoying this latest outburst, are also thinking back worriedly to two onimous words: Steve Kemp. History never repeats itself, but it does move in patterns, and George's tendency to buy big names rather than expected performance is looking a tad familiar. The Yanks won't crash and burn -- they're too rich and too good for that -- but I'm going to state my belief right here that they won't win another World Series this decade.

The Red Sox are similar, but crucially different. They also acquired age and experience, but if you gave me the choice between Curt Schilling and Gary Sheffield, I'd take everyone's favourite Everquest player even if I didn't need the pitching. While the Yankees are taking on massive salaries, the Red Sox are trying to dump them (a la Manny Ramirez), and I think it's unlikely that they'll be making many more of these huge acquisitions (Alex Rodriguez would be a worthwhile exception). There are very few owner-GM-advisor combos out there better than John Henry, Theo Epstein and Larry Lucchino, not to mention the sagacity of Bill James in the background. Smart people and lots of money is a recipe for success that rarely goes wrong. But Boston has also cleaned out its farm system, except for Kevin Youkilis (who may be Wade Boggs or may be Scott Cooper) and Hanley Ramirez, who mostly projects as the next Juan Samuel. This team is not young either, and there are only going to be so many free agents to go around each winter.

Meanwhile, as Peter Gammons says, the Blue Jays' future keeps getting brighter: the bumper crop of JP draftees is rocketing closer to the majors. Roy Halladay will soon have guys like Dustin McGowan, David Bush and Jason Arnold in the rotation with him; Vernon Wells will be flanked by Alexis Rios and Gabe Gross in the outfield; Josh Phelps and Eric Hinske will be maybe the most fearsome corner-infield combo in the league. And the whole roster will be fielded each year for about what the Yanks committed to Sheffield a couple of days ago. All of this will be well underway by spring 2005, when the Jays will be burdened by no long-term deals and will have some more money to invest. Think back to the Jays' championship years: the big free-agent signings (Morris, Winfield, Stewart, Molitor) were the last pieces of the puzzle, not the first. They were brought in to complete the picture after the homegrown and trade-acquired players had laid the foundation. This strategy can still work: would the Marlins have won the 2003 World Series without free agent Ivan Rodriguez?

Now's the time for Jays fans to be quietly confident. There's no point in wringing our hands over what the competition is doing, and indeed, it's refreshing to see so many major mainstream columnists sensing that maybe the Yanks and Red Sox are boxing themselves in and that the Jays are on the verge of redefining the power structure in the East. At the same time, let's not expect that the Yanks and Sox will be eating crow this season, or that they still won't be very tough in 2005. But there's a change in the air, like the hint of spring in late February. The Jays and the rest of the league are being buffeted by the winter storms of 2003; but Toronto is better poised than almost anyone else to emerge safely once the winds have died down and the two storms have spent their fury.

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Pepper Moffatt - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 10:41 AM EST (#84318) #
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Third place isn't so bad. My Calgary Flames have jumped into third place and I can't be more delighted. Plus Mike D tells me that the 1994-1995 Calgary Flames are in first place in the Northeast, 3 points ahead of Boston. Wish we still had Roberts, Nieuwy, Reichel and Kidder, but what can you do?

Mike
_Spicol - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 10:45 AM EST (#84319) #
Jordan, those are sage words.

I've been looking around at what everyone is doing this offseason and simply shrugging in a so-what kind of way. The Jays are training for a marathon while the other AL East teams seem to plan on running sprints every year. Different circumstances call for different objectives.

As positive as I am regarding the big picture, and as little as placement matters if you're not making the playoffs, I do wonder whether the Jays would finish in 3rd again next year given the rumblings about Baltimore. They seem to want to spend their wad. Here's the scenario: if the Orioles sign Vlad and Tejada, where are the Jays finishing in 2004?
Mike Green - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 10:56 AM EST (#84320) #
I agree basically. But, there are couple of important differences between now and the early 80s. The first is the availability of prime-age talent from Japan and Cuba. George signed last year Matsui and Contreras, who both figure to be quite valuable over the next 3-4 years. The second is the degree of integration between regional broadcasting and baseball, as a result of which George has amazing revenue streams now which he did not have then.

As a result, I believe that the Yankees will be competitive through the end of the decade even though their farm system is naked save for Dioner Navarro and Robinson Cano. But, I do not believe that they will dominate the division as they have for the last 10 years.
_Matthew E - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 11:23 AM EST (#84321) #
Baltimore was 11th in the league in OBP. Guerrero and Tejada aren't going to improve that number much. Therefore the amount they'll help the O's offence is strictly limited. Remember the 2000 Jays offence? Like that, only not as good. Plus, the Orioles' pitching still isn't very interesting. If I was Beattie or Flanagan, I don't know that this is the year I'd be trying to make a big splash in the free agent market. The Orioles need to improve a lot before they can justify signing guys like Guerrero and Tejada. I think the Jays are safe from the Os, Vladi and Mr. SAE or not.
_A - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 11:41 AM EST (#84322) #
Although John Donavon has a far more objective view than some at the Star, that article had absolutely no craft to it whatsoever, makes Richard Griffen seem talented and failed to produce one statistic (so readily available too!) which proves his point. I'm not saying he's wrong (I agree with the vast majority of it), but *that's* supposed to be professional journalism?? At best I was reading circumstancial testimony from an 11 year old witness.
_Andy Martin - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 11:42 AM EST (#84323) #
I agree with Mathew E. about the Orioles. I think this is the wrong time in their rebuilding cycle to be going after free agents. They don't yet have enough home grown talent to take a real run at the postseason. Actually I hope they do make a big splash now as it may limit their options a couple of years down the road when the division may be more wide open than it is now.
_Scott - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 11:43 AM EST (#84324) #
Gammons is reporting that the Quantrill deal is done. He has signed with the Yankees (2yr $6.8M). It looks like a good deal to turn down his option now.

Apparently Mondesi is also close to signing with the Royals.
_Jordan - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 11:52 AM EST (#84325) #
The Yankees are losing draft picks all over the place....
Pistol - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 12:02 PM EST (#84326) #
I was just thinking the same thing. Gordon, Quantrill, and probably Sheffield & then maybe Colon or Millwood too?

Good thing they didn't sign Escobar. The Jays would have had a 43rd round pick out of it.
_Matthew E - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 12:03 PM EST (#84327) #
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1070406609113&call_pageid=969907739730&col=970081600908
Griffin's column (click on my name) today, by the way, is quite an interesting artifact. Nothing objectionable about it; just an issue that deserves some attention, and the following quote:

It's not very often this space agrees with the Blue Jays on anything of substance. This is one of those days.
_Spicol - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 12:08 PM EST (#84328) #
Griffin's right.

Taxation without representation is tyranny. Throw the tea in the harbour!
Mike Green - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 12:11 PM EST (#84329) #
One of the defects of the compensation system is that each successive signing in a particular year costs less to the team that makes the signing. Signing five type A free agents in one year is much less costly than signing one type A free agents in each of five successive years. So, the Yankees won't have much of a draft in 2004, but right now they've got their picks in 2005 and they might very well keep them, bearing in mind the number of multi-year contracts they're signing.
Pepper Moffatt - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 12:17 PM EST (#84330) #
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If I was Beattie or Flanagan, I don't know that this is the year I'd be trying to make a big splash in the free agent market.

Agreed. From their point of view, though, I can't imagine any personal benefit for Beatagain if they're drastically under budget.

If I were in their position, I'd be using the money to try and "buy" prospects from other teams. Jeff Cirillo killing your chances to make the post-season? Send him to us along with 15 million dollars worth of prospects and we'll send you a bench player in return. That Dye contract preventing you from adressing your bullpen? You've got a lot of pitching prospects.. send some our way! We'll even throw in David Segui!

It seems win-win to me.

Mike
_JOhn Ducey - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 12:49 PM EST (#84331) #
Griffen's comment: "It's not very often this space agrees with the Blue Jays on anything of substance. This is one of those days." - really should read:

"Its not very often this space says anything of substance on the Blue Jays"
_R Billie - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 01:06 PM EST (#84332) #
I agree the Orioles shouldn't lock themselves into too many long term deals and use up all of that flexibility advantage they suddenly find themselves with. But if there's a standout guy (which they lack) like Guerrero who's relatively young and can easily fit your payroll structure it seems a little unwise not to try to get him because players of his ilk don't become available to you every year. And this year with the priorities of other rich teams seemingly elsewhere the Orioles are poised to offer him the best deal.

Tejada becomes a different issue...if you sign him too that's about $25 to $28 million of that available $30 million you have this season. I would sign Guerrero and then doing some of the prospect buying Mike M has suggested or sign decent players to short term deals to fill out their roster. They do have to buy SOME real major league talent though because the owner and fans aren't going to be thrilled with a $75 million payroll with no real improvement to the present day team.

What Baltimore should really do is maybe sign Guerrero and add the remaining $16 million to payroll down the road when they're in a much better position to compete for it all. No-one says they have to spend ALL of that money this year although they may have already painted themselves into that corner with the public.
_Cristian - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 01:46 PM EST (#84333) #
Here is something interesting from the East Valley Tribune:

“about 20” teams have shown interest in [Miguel] Batista, who was 10-9 with a 3.54 ERA in 2003...the market for Batista may have been set when Kelvim Escobar signed with Anaheim last month for $18.75 million over three seasons ($6.25 million a year).

I think we can forget about the Jays swooping in and getting Batista on the cheap. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Batista ends up signing for close to the $5M option that the D'Backs declined.
_Greg Os Fan - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 01:56 PM EST (#84334) #
The latest inscrutable news from Beatagan is that the Os are willing to go into next season with Brian Roberts as their shortstop. They sound like they don't want to get into a bidding war over Tejada. Roberts could be a nice OBP improvement over Deivi Fing Cruz (which isn't hard). And with the other OBP-anchor (T Batista) possibly replaced by Mora, the team OBP may increase to near the middle of the league.

The Jays don't have anything to fear from Baltimore in 2004. But if the young pitchers mature quickly, 2005 might be a different story ...
_Young - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 02:02 PM EST (#84335) #
Not knowing how to do italics and all... from Dan Szymbroski a while back on Baseball Primer...

"Something that's never mentioned is that there are still limits to the type of free agents that teams may sign.

If there are 14 or less type A and B players available, no team may sign more than 1 type A or B player. If there are 15-38 available A and B players, no team may sign more than 2. From 39-62 this becomes 3. The club quota increases accordingly for higher totals of available free agents. There is no maximum allowed for type C free agents. Lastly, a team can sign up to as many type A and B free agents as they've lost, regardless of the above quota."

Alrighty, how many has the Yankees signed now? I count 3, Gordon, Quantrill and Sheffield is an A already. Is the above rule false? Or no longer true with the new CBA?
_Young - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 02:07 PM EST (#84336) #
Also, of the arbitration eligible players, I believe 64 are eligible for type A compensation, so if the Yanks don't lose any of their Type A's, it would seem that rule wise, their big FA signings are over. (Losing Pettite should give them another chance to sign Colon/Millwood though)
Pepper Moffatt - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 02:25 PM EST (#84337) #
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What Baltimore should really do is maybe sign Guerrero and add the remaining $16 million to payroll down the road when they're in a much better position to compete for it all. No-one says they have to spend ALL of that money this year

The problem with that is that it might impact the budget Angelos gives Beatagan next year.

Supose the O's budget is $80 million but the two-headed GM decides to only spend $60M this year, saving $20M for next year. Angelos might decide to only give Beatagan $50M for 2005 on the theory that they only spent $60 million in 2004 and they've already got 20 saved so they can spend $70M in 2005.

It happens a lot in corporations where departments will buy a bunch of crap they don't really need, so their budgets don't get slashed the following year.

So while it might be in the Orioles interest to save that money, it probably isn't in the interest of those making the purchasing decisions.

Mike
_Spicol - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 02:32 PM EST (#84338) #
I've never heard that one before. Good info to have.

In addition to Petitte, Clemens and Wells are both Type A's and both filed for Free Agency even though they may retire and Nelson, Heredia, Osuna, Sierra and Gabe White are all A's or B's too.

They stand to lose as many as 8 A or B free agents. So, does NY get to sign up to 8 or do they get to sign up to 11 (the 8 they may lose + the quota outlined in the rule)?
_Blue in SK - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 02:58 PM EST (#84339) #
Hijack - Jeff Blair has an interesting column about Vladdy and the lack of interest around anyone signing him. The O's and the Angels are the only 2 teams named as having an interest in him, partially due to their (i.e. Vlad's agents) initial outrageous demands for a contract similar to Manny's.

Blair speculates part of the reason for the lack of interest is the back injury he sustained this past season. Peter McGowan, the GM of the Giants, thinks that he may remain with the Spos this year due to the comfort factor.

I wonder if there would be a way to get him a Jays uniform? With Carlo's contract up at the end of this season, I wonder if he would sign a back-loaded discounted deal to stay in Canada and out of the glare of the bright lights of Big City, USA?

A 27 year old likely HOFer (barring injury) and nobody seems to want him. Strange.
_peteski - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 03:10 PM EST (#84340) #
The sad thing is that I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Jays are the third best team in the AL next year, but still be behind the Yankees and Red Sox. They may not have the third best record because they have to face the Yankees and Red Sox so often, but looking at the other divisions, no team really stands out as being awesome. Oakland is the closest, but that offense keeps getting worse and worse.
Pistol - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 03:11 PM EST (#84341) #
I suspect that Gross will be on the Hudson/Phelps track to Toronto where he'll start in Syracuse, hit like crazy for 2 months and then get called up and platoon with Johnson.
Pistol - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 03:15 PM EST (#84342) #
Whoops, wrong thread....
_Young - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 03:16 PM EST (#84343) #
Spicol, I had assumed that you can only sign extra free agents if you have offered your own type A FAs arb plus those same FAs sign with different teams. Which is what I meant with Pettite (should he sign with Houston). Although I may be interpreting the rule wrong, but if Clemens retires, I don't think that counts as a lost type A FA for the Yanks, or does it?
I guess I'm just hoping for the above scenario, although if you have 8 type A FAs to begin the offseason, it would seem fair that you should be able to sign that many free agents of type A compensation.
_Spicol - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 03:25 PM EST (#84344) #
Here's the whole rule: Article XX.B(5)

(5) Quota
(a) Clubs shall be limited in the number of Type A and B Players,
as defined below, they may subsequently sign to contracts. The
number of signings permitted shall be related to the number of Players
electing free agency under this Section B. If there are 14 or less
such Players, no Club may sign more than one Type A or B Player.
If there are from 15 to 38 such Players, no Club may sign more than
two Type A or B Players. If there are from 39 to 62 such Players, no
Club may sign more than three Type A or B Players. If there are
more than 62 such Players, the Club quotas shall be increased
accordingly. There shall be no restrictions on the number of
unranked Players which a Club may sign to contracts.
(b) Irrespective of the provisions of subparagraph (a) above, a
Club shall be eligible to sign at least as many Type A and B Players
as it may have lost through Players having become free agents under
this Section at the close of the season just concluded.


My interpretation of (b) is that it doesn't matter if you offer them arbitration or not. The basic definition of free agency applies. So, the Yankees can sign at least 8 Type A or B free agents.

And it looks like they just might.
_S.K. - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 05:40 PM EST (#84345) #
Would Clemens really count as "losing" a type A free agent though? I'm not saying you're wrong, it just seems stupid that a guy who's retiring without testing the market at all should count.
_Young - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 06:01 PM EST (#84346) #
Yea, so I'm just hoping that the Yankees are limited in who they can sign. Obviously in reality they have the right to sign almost everyone they need to get.
_Spicol - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 06:01 PM EST (#84347) #
I'm not sure if it counts or not and I agree with you on principle that it's not the same as losing a Vlad, but I can also see why it makes sense from the Yankees point of view. He was a productive player for the last two years and deserves the A ranking. The Yankees are, in effect, losing that A player whether he is retiring or not and deserve to be able to replace him with a body from the open market.
Leigh - Wednesday, December 03 2003 @ 09:51 PM EST (#84348) #
Would Clemens really count as "losing" a type A free agent though? I'm not saying you're wrong, it just seems stupid that a guy who's retiring without testing the market at all should count.

Maybe that is why Clemens filed for free agency immediately before retiring.
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