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It’s the first stop on the Reality Check Tour for Blue Jays prospects: Dunedin in the Florida State League, the highest A-Ball league in the system and one of the toughest hitters’ circuits around (.250/.327/.350, according to Michel Wolverton’s minor-league equivalencies, second-lowest in organized baseball, by a single percentage point, to the New York-Penn League). This is the first stage at which the wheat and the chaff say their goodbyes and promise to write each other often. Once a prospect graduates from Dunedin with good results, then you can start taking him a little more seriously going forward.

It was a good year for Dunedin: they won the FSL’s second-half pennant and defeated the Fort Myers Miracle in the first round of the league playoffs before falling to the St. Lucie Mets in the finals. It was also a year of remarkably high turnover: in addition to the players listed below, 2003 D-Jays included Dustin McGowan, David Bush, Russ Adams, Tyrell Godwin and Adam Peterson; those players will be profiled in tomorrow’s New Haven edition. Those are the guys who’ve already graduated; among the current class, there are two or three honours students sure to move up quickly, and a larger group of maybes and hopefuls that could yet break through and become serious prospects for the organization. Here we go:

Neomar Flores, SP, 21
7-8, 4.78, 29 G, 18 GS, 111 IP, 108 H, 44 BB, 78 K, 8 HR, 16.1% KBF

I worried last year about Flores’ 2002 innings total (159) for a 20-year-old who stands 6’1” and weighs 160 lbs in a rainstorm. I’m not saying that’s necessarily why he struggled so much this season after a successful 2002 at Charleston (8-10, 3.28). If anything, his KBF rate (a whelming 18.1%) last year in the Sally presaged the troubles he’d face this season. More distressingly, his walks remained about the same in 48 fewer IP. I actually do think Neomar was worked too hard in ‘02. But Flores is still very young, and High-A has always been the first real test for a prospect. His stuff isn’t dominant – a fastball that hovers around 90, plus a fine change and decent breaking stuff. He should be back in Dunedin next season, but with the wave of very talented pitchers rising up from Auburn and Charleston, Flores may find himself forced to the bullpen, or worse. It’s not a good time to tread water as a Blue Jay pitching prospect.

Jesse Harper, RHP, 22
13-4, 2.54, 26 G, 24 GS, 131 IP, 112 H, 31 BB, 100 K, 4 HR, 18.8% KBF

The organization might not have thought too much about Jesse Harper when 2003 began; by the time it ended, he was its Howard Webster Award winner for being Dunedin’s best player over the course of the season. That’s not necessarily a sign of greatness to come – last year’s HWA winners included Gary Burnham, Justin Owens and Mike Snyder – but it was certainly more than the Jays had bargained for. Harper doesn’t overpower you – he throws around 90 mph with a slider, curve, change and occasional splitter – but he gets enough strikeouts to keep batters honest and he really keeps the ball in the park (just 11 HRs in 310 minor-league innings). His peripheral numbers, admittedly, are borderline – he can’t get by with any more walks or any fewer K’s, and hits allowed is a notoriously unstable stat. He could get brained at AA, or he could continue to rise to his level of competition, as he’s done so far in his career. My money is on the latter, though; his age and his control both make me think he has the potential to be useful. If he has a Gassneresque season at Manchester, then we’re definitely on to something here.

Aaron Hill, SS, 21
Dunedin 2003
119 AB, .286/.343/.345, 26 R, 7 2B, 0 3B, 0 HR, 11 RBI, 11 BB, 10 K, 1 SB, 0 CS
Auburn 2003
122 AB, .361/.446/.492, 22 R, 4 2B, 0 3B, 4 HR, 34 RBI, 16 BB, 20 K, 1 SB, 1 CS


I don’t know who the Blue Jays are going to choose with their first-round draft pick next June – they choose 16th, by the way – but I think I can safely bet the mortgage payment that it won’t be a shortstop. Following the selection of UNC’s Russ Adams in his first draft, JP Ricciardi went to another major college in 2003 and came away with LSU’s Aaron Hill, a solid, compact (5’11”, 195 lbs) infielder with an accurate arm and good instincts around the bag, less speed but more pop than Adams. Offensively, he’s a gap hitter who’s going to add more power as he gets stronger, but will never be a slugger. Like his predecessor Adams, he’s an on-base machine who takes the pitches he doesn’t want and drives the ones he does. Defensively, some scouts think his range will eventually make him better suited for third base than shortstop, but JP has said that Hill is a shortstop until he proves otherwise.

Baseball America drew a comparison to Rich Aurilia, while JP said Hill reminded him a little of Craig Biggio. I don’t have a specific player comp in mind, but I do think he’ll be the kind of guy who does almost everything – hit, walk, hit for extra bases, field, score and lead – very well. Like Adams, Hill is not going to be a superstar player, but he will be a very solid contributor with both the bat and the glove. He should eventually wind up hitting 15 HRs a year in the bigs, probably with an average in the .275-.290 range, strong OBP numbers and extremely reliable defence. After ripping up the NY-Penn League, Aaron did very well at Dunedin, with an especially impressive BB/K rate, and kept his batting average high. Like Adams, expect Hill to start 2003 in the Florida State League and make a mid-season leap to Double-A. It’s not a stretch at all to suggest Adams and Hill could be the double-play combo and the 1-2 hitters for your 2006 Toronto Blue Jays.

Maikel Jova, OF, 22
Dunedin 2003
240 AB, .271/291/.383, 34 R, 12 2B, 0 3B, 5 HR, 24 RBI, 6 BB, 42 K, 0 SB, 1 CS
Charleston 2003
216 AB, .292/.320/.394, 19 R, 15 2B, 2 3B, 1 HR, 28 RBI, 8 BB, 21 K, 6 SB, 2 CS


There are only four players active in the majors or minors from San Jose, Costa Rica, and Jova is the best of them. Damning with faint praise? Sort of. Jova has impressive power potential, and his doubles are starting to turn into homers; at 6’0”, 195 lbs, he could still find some more room for muscle. On the flip side, 2003 was his third straight year at Charleston, and though he continued to hit, his strike-zone command is atrocious. Put it this way: that 8/21 rate in Charleston was his best ever; his career BB/K rate is 38/246 in 1,638 ABs (that’s one walk every 43 at-bats, for those keeping score at home). Jova will not thrive in this organization with a .300 OBP, but he has the tools to make a slugging impact if he can learn the strike zone. We’ll see what 2004 brings in that regard.

Brandon League, RHP, 20
Dunedin 2003
4-3, 4.75, 13 G, 12 GS, 66 IP, 76 H, 20 BB, 34 K, 3 HR, 11.4% KBF
Charleston 2003
2-3, 1.91, 12 G, 12 GS, 70 IP, 58 H, 18 BB, 61 K, 1 HR, 22.0% KBF


You couldn’t have asked for a better illustration of the chasm that exists between Low-A and High-A. League’s GS, IP and (happily) BB numbers were virtually identical between the two; everything else got seriously ugly. But this should be considered perfectly normal: Brandon, the club’s 2001 2nd-round pick, has far and away the club’s best fastball, a sizzler consistently in the mid-to-high 90s that some reports have clocked in the triple-digits. Moreover, contrary to my earlier mistaken belief, that sucker moves: League fires his nasty stuff from a low ¾ angle, producing tremendous sinking action that breaks hitters’ bats or blows them away. So what’s the problem? His breaking stuff, of course, which hasn’t yet caught up with his heater. His change-up is not too bad, but his slider is nowhere near ready to get batters out.

League is just two years out of high school, though, and he won’t turn 21 till March, so he has lots of time yet to learn some good off-speed stuff. If he does develop a good power slider and his change-up continues to improve, then you’re looking at a future ace. But keeping in mind his age, his currently limited repertoire and the constant shadow of injury that hangs over every young pitcher, you’d be wise to proceed with caution, as the Jays will. I think League will spend all of 2003 at Dunedin come good times or bad, learning the pro game on and off the field. Cross your fingers that this young man’s tremendous potential will be fulfilled.

Justin Maureau, LHP, 22
3-4, 4.84, 38 G, 3 GS, 48 IP, 55 H, 28 BB, 35 K, 0 HR, 15.4% KBF

This time last year, the 2002 draft looked awfully good, with guys like Maureau and Chad Pleiness leading the way. If we can take anything away from Justin’s very difficult season in Dunedin, it’s to approach any short-season results (including those posted by your 2003 Auburn Doubledays) with caution. Maureau reportedly has the best curveball in the organization; the fact that he’s left-handed just makes that all the more intriguing. But it didn’t help him much this year. Justin spent some time on the DL in April and May, but neither beforehand nor afterwards did he meet with any success. I’ve tried in vain to find any explanations; if I had to guess, his slight build (a Floresesque 6’1, 170) and his unexciting fastball (high 80s) left him without the power needed to set up his killer curveball. Many people projected Maureau as an ideal LOOGY, and that may yet be his destiny, though it seems a shame to pigeonhole a guy so early. He deserves, and will get, another chance; don’t write him off yet.

Derrick Nunley, RHP, 23
3-2, 1 Sv, 2.20, 42 G, 0 GS, 57 IP, 41 H, 36 BB, 64 K, 1 HR, 26.0% KBF

The mystery man of Dunedin. I’ve kept half an eye on him all season to see what Nunley was up to. A ’99 high school draftee at 19, he’s struggled throughout his brief career, and even last year was 0-3, 4.81. Interestingly, his numbers then were nearly identical to his numbers this year, in terms of IP and walks; but in 2003, he allowed 10 fewer hits, struck out 13 more batters, and reduced his HRs allowed from 6 to 1. The result: effectiveness, though he’s still plenty wild (add 12 WPs to that line). I’m not sure what will become of him – at his age, he needs to get his command straightened out in a hurry – but anyone who strikes out more than a batter an inning in the FSL deserves serious attention. I don’t have a read on his stuff – I imagine it’s pretty nasty – or on his future; right now, he looks like a slightly older version of....

Vince Perkins, RHP, 22
Dunedin 2003
7-6, 2.45, 18 G, 17 GS, 84 IP, 58 H, 53 BB, 69 K, 1 HR, 19.6% KBF
Charleston 2003
3-1, 1.83, 8 GS, 8 GS, 44 IP, 19 H, 22 BB, 60 K, 1 HR, 35.7% KBF


And here’s Part Two of our Low A – High A Chasm Illustration. Perkins was at one point near the top of Baseball America’s Hot Prospects List while ripping the Sally to shreds – he was the last pitcher to give up a run in 2003, throwing 27 1/3 shutout innings to start the year – but the spotlight faded upon his promotion to Dunedin. Frankly, though, the warning signs were there at Charleston, where despite his unquestioned dominance he was still walking a batter every two innings; that just got worse in the Florida State League. You can almost see the 20 or so batters who refused to chase a fastball out of the strike zone, or who laid off a slider away.

Vince has tremendous stuff – his two-seam fastball is regularly in the mid-90s, and his slider and change-up are pretty good too – but he’s not going anywhere until he can control it all and cut down his pitch counts, and he’s frankly not close to that right now. The name John Wetteland keeps coming up in Perkins discussions, and unlike Nunley, who’s already in the pen, Vince hasn’t yet had a chance to try harnessing his control in short-inning bursts. Others, though, compare him to his friend and high school classmate Rich Harden, with whom Perkins stays in close contact; Harden too has struggled with his control, and actually credits Perkins with helping him through it. Perkins himself has said that it’s all about the approach to the at-bat, trying to get the batter to hit a grounder or flyout rather than to throw the perfect pitch that nets you strike three. Knowing it and doing it are two different things, but at least he has the idea.

Hard throwers will always get an extra chance or two than will control/finesse guys, and Perkins throws hard. Watch to see where he begins 2004: if it’s in the Dunedin rotation, the organization is giving him one more crack at starting, which at his age and development would be the better idea. But if it’s the bullpen at Dunedin or even Manchester, and the command arrives at the same time, he could move up in a big hurry.

Chad Pleiness, RHP, 23
7-8, 3.41, 25 G, 24 GS, 129 IP, 124 H, 60 BB, 89 K, 9 HR, 9 HB, 15 WP, 15.8% KBF

The thing is, hits allowed by a pitcher can be one of the most misleading statistics out there (cf. anything on BIP average). Last year at Auburn, Big Bad Chad allowed only 48 hits in 74 innings, giving the impression of dominance; but he walked 32 that season and struck out just 70, less than one per inning. These portents were fulfilled this year at Dunedin, where Pleiness walked a batter every two innings and posted a very poor strikeout rate. When considering a pitching prospect, the best approach is to look first at his BB/K, then at his K/IP, then his league, then his age; you’ll usually learn most of what you need right there. Pleiness is a large (6’6”, 235 lb) young man who, although 23 already, is only lately come to baseball. He’s a former basketball player and I suspect his size means his mechanics tend to get messed up and hurt his effectiveness. His fastball hangs out a few degrees above and below 90, but his curve is solid and his change is decent too. If he can keep his body under control, he could improve measurably on 2003. Like Maureau, who also was a high-round draft pick in 2002, it’s way too early to give up on Pleiness.

Mike Snyder, 1B, 22
496 AB, .268/.356/.371, 70 R, 24 2B, 0 3B, 9 HR, 75 RBI, 66 BB, 113 K, 6 SB, 0 CS

How can a 2nd-round draft pick who stands 6’5”, 230 and bats from the left side be a virtually anonymous presence in an organization? Well, like this. Snyder was the MVP last season at Charleston, but it was his first good year since becoming a Jay farmhand upon his 1999 selection from a California high school. A former third baseman, he switched corners when his size made it apparent he couldn’t manage the position; all well and good, but you need a serious power bat to justify your presence at first base, and Snyder has had difficulty delivering on that. Granted that the Florida State League can sap your power, Mike wasn’t in the league’s top ten in any offensive category but RBI, and we know how much weight JP places on that stat. Now, he’s still young, and the 24 doubles presage more power to come, and the walks are certainly great. But that’s a lot of K’s to pay for just 9 round-trippers, and I don’t imagine things are going to get any better at Double-A. No need to pencil in Snyder’s name on the list of possible Carlos Delgado replacements just yet.

Jamie Vermilyea, RHP, 21
Dunedin 2003
0-2, 2 Sv, 2.49, 9 G, 0 GS, 21 IP, 21 H, 2 BB, 25 K, 1 HR, 29.0% KBF
Auburn 2003
5-1, 0 Sv, 2.37, 9 G, 2 GS, 30 IP, 22 H, 5 BB, 53 K, 0 HR, 44.5% KBF


Hello. There’s not much more to be said about this guy than what’s come out already – the superstar-sleeper of the 2003 draft class – but here’s a few quick observations. Don’t make too much of the New Mexico influence; there’s no question that Vermilyea’s college numbers were inflated by the thin desert air, but that’s not the reason the Jays took him and that’s not why he’s been utterly dominating in his pro debut. Jamie’s fastball may rarely crack 90, but he fires it from a ¾-ish angle that gives it tremendous movement; coupled with a very sharp slider and an assortment of other pitches, he has more than enough weapons to make a lot of hitters look foolish, which is how he spent his summer (a 7/78 BB/K rate in 51 IP). His future – is he a starter or a reliever? – is still up in the air; you know the club would prefer to harness this arm for the rotation, but Vermilyea has stated a fondness for bullpen work. Whatever – if he keeps pitching like this, the Jays will be happy just to have him in uniform, and to move him up in a hurry despite his age. Finally, remember the small sample size caveats: David Bush pitched this few innings last year, and went on to great things. But Jordan DeJong pitched this few innings too.

Jason Waugh, OF, 23
Dunedin 2003
286 AB, .273/.344/.409, 32 R, 14 2B, 2 3B, 7 HR, 38 RBI, 32 BB, 61 K 0 SB, 5 CS
Charleston 2003
139 AB, .209/.262/.295, 18 R, 7 2B, 1 3B, 1 HR, 8 RBI, 10 BB, 30 K, 2 SB, 0 CS


Pitchers like League and Perkins leave Charleston for Dunedin and go into the tank; a hitter like Waugh takes the same route and blossoms into a star. The Florida State League is a better sluggers’ league, but in terms of BA and OBP, it’s pretty much identical to the South Atlantic League. What gives? There’s a very good reason for this seemingly contradictory state of affairs, and you’ll find it written out in detail on the back of this paper. Waugh probably caught the Jays’ eye in his senior year at St. Mary’s College in California, where he hit .399 with 14 homers to go along with speed, hustle and sparkling defensive play in centerfield. Keep in mind, though, that the West Coast Conference in which St. Mary’s played sported a collective 5.93 ERA that year.

Score one for the Blue Jays’ minor-league instructors, though. A self-professed first-ball, fastball hitter in college who rarely walked, Waugh has become somewhat more selective as a professional, now sporting a 74/141 BB/K rate in 680 career minor-league ABs. But he has also developed a new problem: for a guy who never hit below .340 in college, this year’s .273 at Dunedin represented a professional high, and he’s striking out way too often. Waugh has good power and athleticism, but it’s taking him a long time to put it all together. And at 23, the clock is ticking. If he can make more contact going forward and find a consistent power stroke, then Waugh may blossom into something. If not, he can change his name to Evelyn and seek out Sandy (Anais) Nin to set up a Florida State League Book Club.

Tim Whittaker, C, 24
287 AB, .282/.353/.369, 34 R, 22 2B, 0 3B, 1 HR, 41 RBI, 28 BB, 65 K

Pro: Whittaker is yet another catching prospect for the Blue Jays, a solid 6’0”, 205 lbs behind the plate who was an All-America selection as catcher in his senior year with the University of South Carolina, hitting for average and power; he’s steadily advanced one level every year in the organization, never hitting below .280 with an OBP of .350 at any stop. Con: Whittaker is one of almost a dozen catching prospects in an organization replete with them, who despite his reputation for power has hit just 7 home runs in almost 700 AB as a professional, yet has struck out more than twice as often as he’s walked the last two seasons and whose BB/AB rate is barely at the organization minimum of 1 in 10; not renowned for his defence, he’ll be 25 on Opening Day next year and can hope to be no higher than Double-A at that time. Prognosis? With a break here or there, he could make it to the big leagues as a second- or third-string catcher someday, but no more than that and almost certainly not with the Blue Jays. Hmm: this could be a whole new style of minor-league review for me…..


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robertdudek - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 11:37 AM EDT (#82175) #
Jordan,

I wouldn't be so sure. A player drafted as a shortstop is as likely to end up at third-base or second-base as stay at short. The system is deep in outfielders and catchers, and management may decide that the pitchers they want can be had in the 2nd round onwards.

They may decide to take the best player regardless of position, and that is often a shortstop.
Mike Green - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 11:44 AM EDT (#82176) #
Jordan, my comp for Aaron Hill would be Bill Mueller or Kevin Seitzer. I know Aaron doesn't switch hit, but the mould I have for him is the smallish third baseman with decent wheels, some pop, and a good balance of offensive skills. George Brett would be the best of this group, and heck even Rance Mulliniks would fit in.

Personally, I don't think Russ Adams is going to make it. I expect Hill to pass him this year.

As for Maureau, he did come on late in the season. It seems clear now that he will not be a starter. Next question: can he get right-handed hitters out consistently? If so, he's got a future as a set-up guy or even a closer. Otherwise, it is indeed LOOGY for him, and I suspect that that will mean a different organization (by the time he's ready, the Jays should have realized that LOOGYs are on balance a waste of a roster spot and Tosca should be gone). I like Maureau, and I hope that he makes it in the more prominent role.
robertdudek - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 11:46 AM EDT (#82177) #
Russ Adams could become a Mike Young type player. I think he'll be useful in the infield, perhaps as a new Graffanino or Merloni.
_Nigel - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 11:59 AM EDT (#82178) #
I'll second what Robert says about SS's. Generally, there is room for them to move somewhere else on the diamond and I think that the Jays will go with getting the best player. However, I wouldn't be surpised if JP starting looking for a good power hitting prospect for a first pick. If you look throughout the system, other than Quiroz and maybe Rios (depending upon how he develops) there really isn't one legitimate (it's too early to call Vito legitimate) power hitting prospect in the system. In my view, it's the one main weakness in the minors currently.
Mike Green - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 12:06 PM EDT (#82179) #
Robert, I'll buy that Russ Adams may end up as a good backup middle infielder. I don't think he's going to hit enough to earn an everyday job, unless his defence is spectacular. There are no reports that it is.
_Mike B - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 12:41 PM EDT (#82180) #
Just a couple additional points:

1) For Brandon League, I recall that we was performing quite well at Dunedin (except that his K/9 stats were down) until his last couple of starts where he have up 2 of his 3 HRs and saw his ERA rise dramatically. I'll attribute this to fatigue as 2003 was his first year in full season ball. I think the Jays would like to keep him on the same route as McGowan so I'd expect to see him start 2004 in Dunedin with a mid-year promotion to Manchester if he proves he's ready.

2) For Justin Maureau, I read somewhere that he was using 2003 as an opportunity to work on some new pitches he's trying to perfect in order to round out his arsenal of offerings. Perhaps this could be a contributing factor behind his struggles. Hopefully he'll take some lessons away from 2003 and re-establish himself as a legitimate future big leaguer in 2004.
Gerry - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 01:10 PM EDT (#82181) #
I have been busy so I have not had time to absorb all of the minor league updates yet. I need to set aside a few hours to go through them all. If it takes me a few hours to read them it must have taken a few days or weeks to write them. There is a HUGE amount of information here.

Well done and thanks for all the time you devoted to this.
Craig B - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 01:11 PM EDT (#82182) #
I don't think he's going to hit enough to earn an everyday job, unless his defence is spectacular. There are no reports that it is.


Coach, you want to weigh in here? As I recall, Kent was extremely impressed with Adams's defensive abilities in the spring.

Baseball America has stated in the past that "defense migh be [Adams's] calling card". His Cape Cod League coach said that he had the defensive ability to play in the bigs even at that time (in 2001) and that he was as good a second baseman as there was in college baseball.

ProspectReport.com has said that Adams projects to be a good defensive second baseman.

He's incredibly athletic and so, one surmises, might be able to benefit a lot from a good tutor, and possibly hold on to his defensive ability as he grows older.

Adams hit very well at Dundedin (380/388 is very good in that league); I don't think he's done yet. John Sickels, this year, called him a 2008 All-Star.
Mike Green - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 01:41 PM EDT (#82183) #
Craig, every report that I have read suggests that he doesn't have the arm to make the play in the hole consistently, and he doesn't have the athleticism of an Ozzie Smith. As for his abilities at second base, he hasn't played the position in several years and he is now 23 and will start next season in double A.

My guess is that his best chance to succeed is to remain as a shortstop (a modestly better than average defensive one) and focus on his hitting. If he can work his batting average up to .310 or so in Manchester and Syracuse next year, then he will have a chance. I'm not wildly optimistic that this will happen.
_Rich - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 01:48 PM EDT (#82184) #
Outstanding report. If Hill is reputed to be a good defender then that pretty much kills the Kevin Seitzer comp. I'd be surprised if neither Hill nor Adams is the starting shortstop by 2006.

I agree with Nigel that some power, particularly at the infield corners, should be a target for JP this June.
robertdudek - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 01:56 PM EDT (#82185) #
"As for his abilities at second base, he hasn't played the position in several years and he is now 23 and will start next season in double A."

It's comparatively easy to make this transition (from shortstop), especially in your mid-early 20s. He played the position in college.
_Craig Bugden - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#82186) #
Love the farm reports!! Keep up the good work

Just a minor note on Maikel Jova, who i think is from Cuba rather than Costa Rica (where he now lives), the latter seeming to be a popular destination for Cuban defectors.
Mike Green - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 02:19 PM EDT (#82187) #
Robert,
Just for fun, I checked Orlando Hudson's numbers at age 23: double A .307/.385/.471; Triple A .304/.378/.469. Adams is likely to be significantly behind this pace at the end of next year, and without Hudson's superior glove.

Adams may indeed be the second baseman of the future (because the Jays cannot afford Hudson), but it is likely to mean a step backward.
_jason - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#82188) #
Sorry to be so illinformed, but whats all this LOOGY talk?

It makes perfect sense to draft another "shortstop". Get the best hitter at the far side of the defensive spectrum.

It sometimes seems that Russ Adams is examined from a prophetic viewpoint. Being the first selection in the J.P. epoch he is looked upon as being the harbinger for all our hopes. His stats and all that is writ about his defence is examined with the same care a seer examines tea leaves. Is he the chosen one? Can he lead us to the promised land? It may take some years to find out what he truly can become, but a productive though unspectacular career in the major leagues is not a failure of a first round draft pick.

Great work Jordan. Insightful, informative and to top that off, entertaining. My thanks and compliments for all these reviews.
jason
Mike Green - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 03:23 PM EDT (#82189) #
Jason, we're working on getting LOOGY out there. LOOGY= lefty one-out guy.
Coach - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 03:44 PM EDT (#82190) #
First, I want to thank Jordan for his tremendous work. He's made this site a respected source of information about the farm system, and his stuff is always a delight to read. By comparison, some major daily newspapers know nothing about the organization.

Coach, you want to weigh in here?

Only if I'm allowed to quote myself. Adams is one of two position players (the other is John-Ford Griffin) who a lot of Jays fans seem quite impatient with. Perhaps it's a backlash to guys like me liking them both so much. After watching a spring training game on TV, I posted my impressions:

Adams is going to be a great player. His E-6 was unlucky, actually another fine fielding play -- he almost doubled off Damon after spearing a liner, but the throw hit the runner. And he steered another two-strike pitch the opposite way for an RBI single. Illustrating the difference between a good analyst and John Cerutti, Remy observed that Adams tipped his pitcher's curve by gliding to his right too soon; that's also the difference between a AA player less than a year out of college, and the big-league star he will become in time.

John-Ford Griffin looks a bit like his favourite player (John Olerud), stands like him in the box, and has considerably more power. He showed a good eye to draw a walk his first time up, and hit a fly ball to straightaway center that had about six seconds of hang time in his next AB. It was a 400' out, but he was a fraction of an inch from a 450' HR -- his bat speed is terrific.


Those were just coachly observations from one game, an admittedly small sample size. I also hold the sabr-heretical belief that "dreaded intangibles" are the most important "tool," so I enjoyed a Spencer Fordin spring training piece about Russ, which included this rave from the skipper.

"He just continues to show that he has tremendous feel for the game," Tosca said of Adams, Toronto's top pick in last June's First-Year Player Draft. "He's got great instincts, doesn't panic, he's fearless when he plays the game. Those are all qualities that make for a real good baseball player."

In a comment that day I said, "The best development of the spring so far has been Adams getting more of a look than anyone expected. A lot of scouts projected him as a 2B, but Russ has been just fine at SS, and is hitting over .350 so far. Power isn't a part of the package, but he has a great eye, speed and savvy. I don't think he'll be in A ball for long; when (not if) he handles the inevitable jump to New Haven in stride, we can start speculating about when (not if) he'll make the big club."

That's me, Tosca, J.P. (who calls him "Bordick with a better bat") and almost everyone who's ever seen him, trying to tell you Adams is way more than a backup. He's an offensive catalyst who will be around for a long time after he arrives; because of his talent and work ethic, his glove, at either side of the bag, will continue to improve. I haven't seen Aaron Hill play shortstop, but if he's better than this kid, we are going to be very lucky fans.

It's common knowledge that I'm an incurable optimist about the Jays. For example, though they won "only" 86 games (I had predicted 89) I'm hardly disappointed; it was a great season. My projections for Lidle and the bullpen fell short by a lot more than three games. So the '03 Jays -- most of them -- actually performed better than I expected.

I'm kind of a cheerleader, too -- always building guys up who have absolutely no chance of success. Why, in March, I said Greg Myers, of all people, would be the #1 catcher and set career highs in every hitting category. And I had the nerve to suggest that Doc would go 22-7 and win a Cy Young. I loved that obscure Johnson kid at first sight. My glasses are just so freakin' rosy all the time.

If you could clone him, I'd happily take my chances with nine of Russ Adams. He is right on schedule, and he'll adjust to each new level. Next year, he should earn a midseason promotion to AAA. In 2005, he'll be a July callup, maybe as a result of the Hudson trade. On Opening Day 2006, watch for him leading off and playing short, and enjoy.

The JFG portion of this rant will be continued in the New Haven thread...
Gerry - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 04:01 PM EDT (#82191) #
One of the great things about baseball is its unpredictability. A #1 draft pick, such as Adams, has no guarantee of success. Similarly, a highly touted minor league prospect may or may not make it in the majors. Look at some of the old Baseball America top prospects lists and you will see the difficulty of projecting success onto prospects.

Players needs to make adjustments as they rise the ladder. Some are successful, some are not. Coach thinks that Adams will make the adjustments and Tosca says Adams has a "feel for the game". Mike thinks Adams has hit the wall.

Another reason to look forward to 2004.
Mike Green - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 04:04 PM EDT (#82192) #
Coach, if that's a rant, I can't imagine what you write when you're feeling chipper about a topic. Anyways, I too am an optimist, but just about different players. I think Orlando Hudson will be the best second baseman (taking into account both offensive and defensive contributions) in the league in 2005, after giving up switch-hitting in 2004. I also think Gabe Gross and Alexis Rios will be fine everyday major league outfielders in 2005.

For the record, I predicted on the official site that the Jays would win 88-92 games and that they would score 880 runs over the season, although I had no idea that Greg Myers had that season. And I still feel that Reed Johnson will make a fine 4th outfielder, in the same way that Russ Adams will make a fine backup infielder. A team needs those too.
_R Billie - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 04:58 PM EDT (#82193) #
Or he could be a solid player in the mold of David Eckstein who doesn't hurt you much and mans a very important position for a relatively low cost. By most measures Eckstein is also a backup quality player but that all depends on team's situation; for the Jays it just might be that a Mike Bordick or David Eckstein with a better bat fits just fine with the rest of their team and payroll makeup.

From what I've seen of him so far, I don't see much chance of a star but I don't doubt he'll have a regular role as a major league middle infielder. I still think there's a bit more to him than what he's shown offensively so far, particularly in the power department. Especially once he gets to a turf field, that's going to help his double and triple totals as a guy who puts the ball in play a lot.
_Rich - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 05:09 PM EDT (#82194) #
One factor in Adams' favour has to be where he was drafted - not only in the first round but JP's first ever pick. When you throw in the bonus money involved, it's safe to say the Jays will give him every opportunity (and perhaps then some) to establish himself as a regular. I don't see the club pegging Adams as a utility guy unless he clearly, cleary shows that he cannot be a solid everyday contributor. Other players may not always get the same opportunity.
Mike Green - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 05:28 PM EDT (#82195) #
R. Billie, I checked Eckstein's stats in the minors. In the FSL and EL, he hit over .300 with OBPs well over .400. Like I said, Adams has to tune up the bat to get to where Eckstein was; Eckstein had, and has, a little more pop than Adams does and this helps him.

It's very hard to be successful as a hitter with no power whatsoever. Maybe Adams will spend a little time in the weight room over the winter.
_Ronnie - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 05:51 PM EDT (#82196) #
Looks like some good work, thanks for the reports. Don't give up on Perkin's just yet. I know the young man and he is a hard worker with great potential. Whitaker is right on. Probably a third catcher at best. Pay attention to Harper. He pitched all of 2002 with bone chips in his elbow and still delivered a 2.16 over 112 inings. He had the chips removed during the offseason and had a good year this season. The word is that he was just getting back to full strength as the season was winding down. I totally agree with you about next year though. If he dominates at AA then we have something. I believe it was Mike Basso the Dunedin manager that compared him to a faster working,stronger Steve Traschel. I would take that. One more thing, I like League's stuff and potential. I expect him to eventually move to the pen though.
_Nigel - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 06:27 PM EDT (#82197) #
I'm with Mike Green on this one. As I mentioned on another thread, Adams and Sequea had essentially the same offensive year this year and Sequea is slightly younger and performing one level higher. Unless something dramatic changes (and soon) Adams' offense is not going to be enough to hold down a regular major league job. If he brings superior defensive skills to the table then he may have a career like the major leaguer JP compared him to, Walt Weiss. Weiss had a servicable (not great) major league career because he could do two things: a) play defense extremely well; b) he could get on base. Adams has shown some ability to do the later. The defense is impossible to judge based on stats (although the one stat we do have, errors isn't pretty) so I'll have to go by what others who have seen him regularly say. My synopsis of what I've read is that he has the physical ability and smarts to be a good defensive player, but he is not there yet. Let's hope he can play defense, because without it, he has utility infielder written all over his resume to date. While I still consider him a prospect (because I do think he will play in the majors but probably as a utility guy) I do not think he is one of the Jays better prospects and at best he might make my top 10 list.
_Jabonoso - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 06:47 PM EDT (#82198) #
I do not foresee League in the pen, why?
What I like the best in this Dunedin team is that the best prospects are very young, ergo their ceiling is real high.
Dick Scott has a lot of homework to do, especially to accomodate the Dunedin and Charleston rosters considering all the players and all the variables ( bonuses, ages, performances, potential, regressions, dissabilities etc etc ).
Mike Young as Russ potential looks optimistic and would be a good outcome...
Coach - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 07:07 PM EDT (#82199) #
League is just two years out of high school, though, and he won’t turn 21 till March, so he has lots of time yet to learn some good off-speed stuff.

Like Perkins, who comes from a part of B.C. where there isn't much organized ball, and it's not at the highest level, League learned the game in Hawaii. It's hardly a baseball hotbed like Florida, California, Texas or the Dominican, so I've always thought Brandon (and Vince) should be given plenty of time to adjust. The raw talent is certainly there. Predicting when (or if) they reach the Show, and in what roles, is still just guesswork.
_Nigel - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 07:14 PM EDT (#82200) #
If Adams turns out to be like Mike Young I'm pretty sure that JP will start doing back flips. His background is a good comparative for Adams in that they hit many of the same stops at very comparable ages. While Adams holds up reasonably well on the AVG. and OBP numbers at the various stops there is a pretty big split on the SLG. side. Young consistantly put up SLG numbers of between .425 and .475. Outside of Auburn, Adams has yet to approach anything like those numbers. So the good news is that Adams is pretty close on the more valuable skill, but as Mike Green said, its very difficult to have a full time major league career (particularly in the American League) if you have no power.
_Nigel - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 07:39 PM EDT (#82201) #
Actually, the guy who Adams most resembles is Brent Abernathy. Physically in size they are almost identical. Again, they made similar stops in the Jays organization at similar ages and their numbers are very similar (although Abernathy showed slightly more power). Unless Adams shows more pop in the next year or so, unfortunately, I think he may well be a good major league comp.
_terry - Sunday, November 16 2003 @ 02:24 AM EST (#82202) #
I read on-line that pitching sensation fireballer Brandon League has been clocked at 102 mph? is that a mis-print. I know he works in the 96-97 range but does anybody know if he really hit 102? What about McGowan? I know he throws nearly 100 mph also. Are they the two hardest throwers in the organization? And I almost forget about Rosario. And who are the rest of the young guns coming up in the lower levels who I should keep my eye on.
Mike Green - Sunday, November 16 2003 @ 12:30 PM EST (#82203) #
Terry, if you check the Auburn farm summary, you'll get the answers on the young guns at the lower levels. DJ Hanson from Charleston last year also deserves a mention.
_terry - Sunday, November 16 2003 @ 03:33 PM EST (#82204) #
Who from the farm system is predicted too reach the major leagues the quickest in pitching? I have read David Bush and Justin Maureau in most reports. Is Jordan DeJong expected too be a big leaguer soon? And who from Auburn is expected too reach the major leagues? Banks, Marcum, and Buzachero could be in AA by next year in my opinion if they have a season like this past one. Also Pulaski closer Dewan Day had a very impressive debut in Rookie Ball. Lead the league in saves and had a 1.80 era. Where will he be in 2004? At 23 he is old too be in rookie ball huh.
_Ryan01 - Sunday, November 16 2003 @ 04:24 PM EST (#82205) #
http://www.battersbox.ca/archives/BB_Farm%20Review.htm
Terry. There were a few weeks this summer where reportedly League did top 100mph this year and even hit 102 mph. However he was also getting hit extremely hard in that same span.

As far as serious impact pitchers go, the threesome of Jason Arnold, David Bush and Dustin McGowan could potentially hit the majors some time late next year. It's hard to say exactly who from Auburn is expected to make the majors. It's so far away that it's really impossible to tell. The most important part is that there are so many guys that could reach the majors. As Mike suggests, check out some of the other farm team summaries for more info on all of the major prospects. Just click on the "2003 Farm Reports" link on the left. (or click on my name)
_terry - Sunday, November 16 2003 @ 10:31 PM EST (#82206) #
Alright thank-you so much for your help.
_Jason Waugh - Tuesday, December 02 2003 @ 04:55 PM EST (#82207) #
I was curious to see what is "the detailed report" on the back of Jason Waugh's prospect report? It claims that there is some pertinent information on the back...but how do I view it?
_Pidutts - Tuesday, December 02 2003 @ 08:06 PM EST (#82208) #
Jason Waugh's prospect report basically said that he was no longer considered a prospect even after his promotion to Dunedin. An 11th round pick in 2002 out of St. Mary's University his stats were decent in the FSL but his glove is a concern. Expect to see him smoothing out his game in Pulaski rookie level in 2004.

Obviously just joking. I should meet you in spring training.
_terry - Wednesday, December 31 2003 @ 04:13 PM EST (#82209) #
Hey lets keep in mind that Nunley was not a pitcher until the blue jays drafted him as one! I think good things are yet to come from this young man.
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