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In Spencer Fordin's notes on MLB.com, he mentions Bobby Kielty's determination to get stronger for next year, then sheds some light on the Jays' pitching plans for the final week.

Pete Walker is out of the starting rotation -- again -- and Vinny Chulk might be in for the first time in his big-league career. Tosca named his starting staff for the next four days: Mark Hendrickson, Roy Halladay, Josh Towers and Kelvim Escobar.

Thursday's game is officially TBA, but according to Fordin, it will be Chulk, with Lidle bumped a day. It seems that Mark Hendrickson will go to the bullpen after today, and Pete Walker also has the manager's confidence against lefty batters.

"We're going to be a little more cautious with [Miller and Kershner], and he's the one guy that can counter left-handed hitters," Tosca said about Walker. "They're just gassed."


Since spring training, Hendrickson has had more detractors than supporters in Da Box. A few of us think that he's a very young 29 in a baseball sense, and 9-9 isn't a bad rookie year, considering how much he had to learn while facing the likes of the Yankees and Red Sox. Others cite his low K rate and conclude that he'll never improve. I'm certain he'll be on the team next year, but the decision to use him in the rotation or the bullpen might not be made until spring training.

Lurch hasn't pitched for 11 days. He was a little better in Tampa than he had been in his previous three starts, but a career-high 153.1 IP has left him with very little in the tank, physically and mentally. If the extra rest has helped, he might be able to go five or six effective innings today, but don't count on it. He lasted a total of 12.1 innings in three previous starts against the Orioles this year (0-1, 7.30) and they are hitting .393 off him.

His opposite number, Rodrigo Lopez, has been just as kind to the Jays -- 0-1, 10.95 in three 2003 starts -- but that includes a 23.63 ERA and .517 batting average in two disastrous outings at SkyDome. In Baltimore on July 6, he struck out eight, walked none and allowed just one run in seven innings. The Mexican righty pitched an unlikely complete-game shutout against the A's 18 days ago, but has since been hammered (20 hits, 6 HR, 15 earned runs in 9.2 IP) by the Red Sox and Yankees.

In other words, I don't know what to expect from either pitcher, but after the anemic hitting yesterday, a shootout would be no surprise this afternoon. It's hard for Carlos Tosca to make a mistake with his lineup; Delgado, Wells, Hinske, Hudson, Myers, Berg and Clark all have a career OPS of 1.000 or better vs. Lopez. Johnson and Woodward have also hit him well. Josh Phelps is just 1-for-7 with 4 K, so for once I won't complain if Myers is the DH and Cash is the catcher.
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_Donkit R.K. - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 01:39 PM EDT (#91417) #
I've supported Hendrickson all season and thought of him as the long term 4th or fifth starter for this team. It's getting difficult to say that now, as Hendrickson goes longer between flashes of brilliance and Josh Towers strings together some strong starts. With Halladay, hopefully, locked up this offseason I think the '04 rotation will consist of Halladay - Escobar (or FA in Escobar's current price range) - ??? - Towers - Hendrickson. I think they will try filling the ??? with a guy int he organization like Walker, or Justin Miller. They could look for a waiver wire guy (not unlike Walker) to give them some starts. I'd like to see Halladay - Escobar - Thomson - Towers - Arnold (I don't think minor league ball is helping any more. I think he should be in the majors in '04. Let him prove himself)with Hendrickson and Chulk in the pen and spot starting.

Question - With Danny Graves' putrid numbers in the rotation this year, does anyone think he could be had for cheap? A prospect like Jordan Dejong, AA filler, and cash considerations? Graves could really anchor a pen with Miller, Kershner, Pollite, Lopez, and Chulk/Hendrickson.
Pistol - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 02:11 PM EDT (#91418) #
"I'm (Kielty) going to get back in shape, get as big and strong as I can going into next year," he said on Saturday. "I'm going to get in the best shape possible, really try to do something next year. Next year's going to be a different story."

Tosca was also quoted as saying that Kielty's left handed swing has been straightened out.

I'm not certain that being as 'big and strong' as possible is the best way to go for a player. Maybe it is, but I worry that it will lead to loss of flexibility and speed. Hopefully his training isn't just on it's own, but a plan put togethter by a baseball trainer to maximize his ability.

I happened to be reading BP 03 last night and I looked up Kielty. The last sentence in his blurp was that 'he had no platoon issues'.

I think Kielty is a full time player for the Jays. What the team decides to do with Cat this offseason will show what they are thinking.
Coach - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 02:32 PM EDT (#91419) #
The Sparkplug has his daily single -- the streak is 18 -- and promptly stole second, giving the Jays half a month's worth of SB (2) this afternoon. A "productive" Hinske out and a Wells sac fly then tied the game.

Delgado, disdaining little ball, followed with a monster home run that had about five seconds of hang time. According to Rob Faulds' call, he got under it; during the replay, John Cerutti said it went "fourteen hunnert feet over the wall" -- whatever that means.
Coach - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 02:45 PM EDT (#91420) #
That lead didn't last long. Four singles and a walk in the bottom of the third, and it's 4-2 Orioles. We'll see Vinny Chulk shortly.
_Justin B. - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 03:04 PM EDT (#91421) #
Did anyone hear what the microphone picked up there? Wells told a fan "I can hit a lot better than you look". The interplay between fans and players can be really fun if it's good-natured.
_A - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 04:32 PM EDT (#91422) #
Is Tosca on the bench today? I'm looking through ESPN's game log (the FAN isn't carrying the game on the Net) and I think Wells just stole the Jays' third base of the game.

Elsewhere, Pedro pitched 7 big innings in a BoSox shutout. He K'd 11, pushing is league lead in strike outs to 204 and taking his ERA down a few notches to an impressive 2.25. Still not convinced the old Pedro's back for good but this guy's welcome on my team any day of the week.
_Ken - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 04:51 PM EDT (#91423) #
Jays win, but i really don't understand why Tosca bothered using Lopez for the end of the 8th and the 9th.
No point when there is a 3 run lead and Kershner is already out there only having given up one hit. Lopez must be extremely tired as i'm sure Kershner is, why not bring in chulk?

Really does leave me baffled.
Thomas - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 07:42 PM EDT (#91424) #
The Jays stole four bases today, including third twice. Can't remember when the last time they did that was.

I'm not sure why Tosca insists on using Kershner and Lopez either. It's obvious they can both pitch and will be back next year and these sorts of relatively meaningless games are exactly the sort of games that Bowles and Chulk should be getting big league experience in. We should also be giving Reichert a few more innings I think, and determining whether he is worth hanging onto with a spring training invite next year, if that is sufficient enough to keep him around, and also whether he is worth a 40 man roster spot.
Thomas - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 07:46 PM EDT (#91425) #
Don't take that to mean I think Reichert is worth a 40 man spot, because I don't, although I'd extend him a non-roster ST invite if I could. I'm not ready to give up on Bowles though, and I'd like to give him a shot.
_Ben NS - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 07:59 PM EDT (#91426) #
What price range are we looking at for one of Mike Wilner's big three free agent closers: Mantei, Urbina and Foulke?
Are they worth it?
Gerry - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 08:09 PM EDT (#91427) #
Although we think the games don't mean much, Tosca is trying to win as many as possible because (take your pick): (1) he is competitive and there is no such thing as a meaningless game; (2) he wants to get to 85 wins as per his pre-season prediction; or (3) he is trying to "pad the resume".
_Ben NS - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 08:24 PM EDT (#91428) #
I'm going to say (2), but if I were in Tosca's shoes, I wouldn't be crushed to see the Jays finish with 83 or 84 wins. This would be a 5/6 game improvement over '02, and would leave a lot of room for improvement in '04, when he could look good again. I think that it would be nice for the Jays to win both of Halladay's starts and a few more beyond this. This would secure the Cy for Doc and give the Jays some stellar momentum for next year.
Coach - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 08:29 PM EDT (#91429) #
Trying to predict this winter's price ranges for free agents is guesswork. Last year, though it wasn't quite as obvious as the 1980's collusion, there was a tacit agreement not to overpay or overcommit to anyone but a very big star. Whatever the market dictates they are worth, I wouldn't want Mantei or Urbina. Foulke should be more expensive, but has the best chance of staying healthy and consistent.

I think the money is better spent on starters. Between Lopez, Miller, Politte, Kershner, Walker, Bowles, Reichert, File and someone like Towers or Hendrickson who gets bumped from the rotation, they can put together a cost-effective bullpen. Thurman, Chulk and Smith might be in the thick of the spring battle.

Nice to see Reed, Eric and Carlos having fun out there today, and some better results for Mr. Cash at the plate.

Did anyone else hear John Cerutti refer to the Jays' "gluttony of outfielders?"
_Ben NS - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 08:33 PM EDT (#91430) #
As a new reader of the box I have a question and a suggestion.

Q) How would one go about submitting some reading material for the site?

S) With respect to the current logo, I am of the belief that a new, less busy, bluer logo would be a more stylish fit.
robertdudek - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 08:38 PM EDT (#91431) #
I heard Cerutti's unfortunate comment.
_Donkit R.K. - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 08:56 PM EDT (#91432) #
I still think Graves could be had as our closer for less than market value. Where can I find his contract status (or can somebody here fill me in?)? I expect Foulke to demand more money than he is making, and I agree with Coach about not wanting Mantei or Urbina.
_Donkit R.K. - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 08:58 PM EDT (#91433) #
I still think Graves could be had as our closer for less than market value. Where can I find his contract status (or can somebody here fill me in?)? I expect Foulke to demand more money than he is making, and I agree with Coach about not wanting Mantei or Urbina. And I see Graves as being more accepting of a bullpen role where he isn't always the closer. I think Tosca would be smart, if they were to pick up a Graves or Foulke or whoever, to run a bullpen with co-aces in the new face and Aquilino. If he needs one before the ninth, he can use him and still have the other one to play closer that night.
_Donkit R.K. - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 08:58 PM EDT (#91434) #
My bad...
Craig B - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#91435) #
Did anyone else hear John Cerutti refer to the Jays' "gluttony of outfielders?"

Heh, I missed that one because I blessedly had turned the sound off and had the radio on.

I'd be more concerned about the Orioles' gluttony of infielders... Sonya pointed out to me that Tony Batista has a potbelly now, and Deivi Cruz has seemed to get even fatter through the year.
_Danny Graves - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 09:08 PM EDT (#91436) #
http://www.bluemanc.demon.co.uk/baseball/mlbcontracts.htm

I will make $6 million next year, $6.25 million the year after that, and then there's a buyout on my 2006 option.
_George Tsuji - Sunday, September 21 2003 @ 10:59 PM EDT (#91437) #
Did anyone else hear John Cerutti refer to the Jays' "gluttony of outfielders?"

Didn't catch that, but I was happy to finally hear Rob Faulds' "signature" call -- "Inside... for strike three!"
Pistol - Monday, September 22 2003 @ 12:04 AM EDT (#91438) #
Q) How would one go about submitting some reading material for the site?

I'd imagine your best bet is to send it to Coach. His e-mail is on the front page.

Between Lopez, Miller, Politte, Kershner, Walker, Bowles, Reichert, File and someone like Towers or Hendrickson who gets bumped from the rotation, they can put together a cost-effective bullpen. Thurman, Chulk and Smith might be in the thick of the spring battle.

I've seen this bullpen. It's not very good. It's cheap, but it's not very good. Given JP's comments in the interview (about a bullpen being as important as starters) I expect him to grab a couple of quality relievers in the offseason.
Gitz - Monday, September 22 2003 @ 02:00 AM EDT (#91439) #
On the Texas/Anaheim game, they were discussing AL MVP candidates, and the three I saw (apparently they had four) were Carlos Delgado, Alex Rodriguez, and Garret Anderson. Now, granted, I did not see the fourth one, but if you're going to list Anderson, you better as hell mention Vernon Wells, whose numbers are at least as good -- and most are a tad better -- than Anderson's. Anyone else catch the game and rememebr who the fourth candidate was?
_Justin B. - Monday, September 22 2003 @ 02:13 AM EDT (#91440) #
Gitz, it was Manny Ramirez (who was 2nd in voting, I believe). Given that they're polls answered by ESPN viewers, I wouldn't put too much stock in them (Willis had ~ twice as many votes for NL ROY as Webb, for example).

I was watching the Discovery channel earlier and they had a little feature on sabermetrics. James Fraser had a chalkboard on the field with the RC formula, and they talked to Jon Lalonde. Nothing was covered that most everyone here isn't familiar with, but neat to see it on TV nonetheless. It was funny listening to Delgado's answer when asked if he was familiar with sabermetrics though (I know it's something to do with OBP...I think it might be better to not really understand what we're doing).
Gitz - Monday, September 22 2003 @ 04:05 AM EDT (#91441) #
Thanks, Justin. I was barely tuning in to the game -- I was putting together a stupid armoir -- but I happened to catch the small discussion, and I didn't realize it was a viewer poll. Nonetheless, shame on them for not including Vernon! I realize that the Angels were on so they had to play up the Halos a bit -- and what with ESPN being a Disney subsidiary and all -- but come on. This would be like Da Box holding a MVW (most valuable writer) poll and excluding me because I'm an American. Sure, I'm a hack, but that's beside the point.
Craig B - Monday, September 22 2003 @ 08:29 AM EDT (#91442) #
I was barely tuning in to the game -- I was putting together a stupid armoir -- but I happened to catch the small discussion...

Gitz, I hear that if you pass up the stupid armoires and buy one of these fancy newfangled Smart Armoires, they install themselves.
Gitz - Monday, September 22 2003 @ 01:16 PM EDT (#91443) #
Good advice, Craig, except I hear those Smart Armoirs are all American, and have only a 60 percent or worse success rate, despite public claims to the contrary.
Craig B - Monday, September 22 2003 @ 01:24 PM EDT (#91444) #
Incidentally, if you want to "pinch-hit" on Da Box, send your article to me at tybalt4@yahoo.com and I will try to help you make it happen. Technically I am the "Corresponding Editor" so I handle submissions, etc.
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