Man, I always forget the day games.

Loaiza gave up a 4 spot in the 3rd inning and the Twins are up 4-1 in the bottom of the third. The ChiSox commentators were speculating that only 2 runs would be earned, and this was because an error on a bases loaded double allowed the third run to score and Stewart to go to third. But they said that AFTER a sac fly (the first out) and a single followed the double - it's obvious, in reconstructing the inning, that all 4 runs would have scored without the error.

Is it too much to ask the announcers to have a solid grasp of the unearned runs rule?

Halladay has thrown 37 pitches for 3 shutout innings (2 hit, 1 walk, 1 K). Anyone want to bet against Doc going the distance?

I dunno, Robert, I'm a rules maven, but I'm damned if I can follow the unearned runs rule sometimes.

It's one of the worst stats in baseball, and deserves banishment to the lower reaches of wherever it is bad rules go when they die. :)

2-0 Jays now by the way.

The inning in question went: Hit, hit, HBP, double + error, sac fly, single, out, out.

I agree there are some difficult cases, where you have to make some assumptions about possible base running advances. But in this case I think it's clear that the fly ball would have scored the third run and most likely advanced the runner to third, which would then have been plated by the single.

Yeah, that's four earned runs by the rule.

Is the Yahoo game updating thingamabob way behind? According to it, we're just going to the bottom of the third, up 2-0.

My God is Roy dominant today,he looks even better than in his last start. At 54 pitches through 5, the strike-out to end the inning broke a string of 11 straight ground outs.

I'll take that as a 'yes'.

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/live/MLB_20030911_TOR@TB
Check out the CBS Sportsline GameCenter (click my name).

Everything that ESPN GameCast provides, but it also provides a 2D graphic of each pitch location. Tres cool -- it's neat seeing a swinging strike on a Halladay pitch that ends up in the dirt :)

p.s. it works much better in IE than in Netscape/Mozilla...

jc

Another error for Hinske on an easy play...he's really in a deep fielding funk. Great throw by Cash to nip the speedy Crawford and keep the inning from spinning out of control.

Only problem with the CBS thing is I have to refresh it myself. Oh well.

These guys need to start hitting. Jeremi Gonzalez, forsooth.

I'd say the out call on Crawford is our payback for those badly blown calls in Boston...looked to me like he was easily safe.

Absolutely out Dave, the Tampa announcers even admit it,they finally showed an angle that conclusively proved a great snap tag by Hudson.Great call by the ump.

Only problem with the CBS thing is I have to refresh it myself. Oh well.


Matt:

Run it in Internet Explorer and it refreshes itself after every pitch (well, at least it does in version 6.0).


These guys need to start hitting. Jeremi Gonzalez, forsooth.


Jeremi Gonzalez was one of the Cubs young arms that was tortured to death in the late 90's by the Jim Riggleman regime.

After a 4 (!) year layoff to recover, he seems to have gotten his stuff back...

BTW, Cash looks tantalizingly close to getting some hits. He knows how to work count, but just not closing the deal.

Run it in Internet Explorer and it refreshes itself after every pitch (well, at least it does in version 6.0).

There's my problem. Version 5.0.

Big run comes home on a SF to put the Jays up 3-1.

Halladay has 88 pitches through 8. Looks like another CG on the way.

Loaiza is out after 7 innings - 5 earned runs, 9 strikeouts, a walk, an HBP and no homeruns allowed. His ERA rises to 2.73. Unless the Sox can score 4 or more in the bottom of the 9th, he'll drop to 19-7.

Woo hoo! Complete game for Doc! 20-6! And the only run was unearned! His ERA is now a coll 3.30.

BTW, Loaiza gave up 5 ER in 7IP, raising his ERA to 2.73,

Yessssssss!

A few more days like this and Roy will get the Cy!

Halladay went the distance, gave up 1 unearned run, struck out 3 walked 2, allowed no homeruns. He threw 93 pitches. He is now 20-6 with a 3.30 ERA.

er, that should have been "...a cool 3.30..."

damn typos...

Congratulations to Roy Halladay on joining a somewhat select club (the Luckier-Than-Stiebs).

Ho -hum just another complete game by Halladay throwing less than 100 pitches. Basically he threw about 75-80, 94-96 mph two seam sinkers in this outing. He imparts such downward movement on the ball combined with the fact he's 6'6" and throws on a vertical plane to begin with ,its almost impossible for hitters to not hit the top of the ball and hit grounder after grounder.
Is anybody in the American league pitching any better than him at the moment?

Pedro looked pretty awsome yesterday. But nothing consistant out of him in the way of going deep into ball games (against Baltimore he put in 8IP but the Martinez of past years would/should have finished that game).

According to ESPN's game log, Halladay gave up 11 ground ball outs to second base. I caught most of the game on radio, and I think they were all routine.

Note to anyone who prefers Loaiza to Halladay: if you were a GM, would you trade Halladay for Loaiza? I don't think so.

93 pitches. Wow.

Dave,

In fairness, the Cy Young isn't given out for "highest future expected value".

Congrats on 20 Roy! You deserve the Cy in my book.

(... by my book I mean the creepy scrapbook of newspaper clippings, box scores, unmailed stalker letters and glossy photos I keep of you under my bed)

Ho -hum just another complete game by Halladay throwing less than 100 pitches. Basically he threw about 75-80, 94-96 mph two seam sinkers in this outing. He imparts such downward movement on the ball combined with the fact he's 6'6" and throws on a vertical plane to begin with ,its almost impossible for hitters to not hit the top of the ball and hit grounder after grounder.


Has Halladay switched to throwing more fastballs lately?

The times I've watched him on TV, he's thrown tons of breaking stuff.

Or does he vary his repertoire depending on what's working on a given day?

Today it was mainly the two seam fastball Jacko, I agree early in the season he threw more breaking stuff.

9 5 1 0 2 3

Game score 76. Very nice.

Someone mentioned Martinez... Pedro yesterday was utterly dominant. His shit was moving like a knuckleball and travelling 92-93. If that's what the Red Sox' opponents have to look forward to in the playoffs, Year 85 might do it.

Realistically Halladay's stats, particularly the rate stats, are not the best in the league (other than K/W), but he has some great totals and lots of IP, plus the awesome winning streak and 20 wins now. Hudson, Loiaza and Martinez at least have all been better, when they're on the mound.

Nobody (?) seems to mention Foulke, who's somehow (there's a bonus for saves, IIRC) third right now in the AL in pitching win shares (Loaiza 22, Hudson 22, Foulke 19, Halladay 19, Mussina 18)

ESPN has Roy's average game score at "29.1" right now... must be a typo there somehow.

It's gonna be a very close vote I think... everyone has an argument and a counter-argument. I imagine at least 5 guys will get a first-place vote.

If I could pick one guy to pitch a must-win game tomorrow for my team, it would be Pedro. I wouldn't trade Halladay straight up for any pitcher in the AL though, even Pedro (32 next month and not all that durable). Halladay has just the right combination of youth with proven ability.

Yeah, I'd take Halladay, mostly on build and demeanour over Zito. It's close.

I can't believe he has 243 innings already. To give you an idea, with three starts left, Halladay already has enough innings to have led the league in each of the last four years. He will almost certainly get 260 easily and may well wind up with more than anyone in the AL since Roger's 271 in 1991.

Halladay's last three starts

9 4 1 1 1 10
10 3 0 0 1 5
9 5 1 0 2 3

28 IP, 12 H, 4 BB, 18 K, 0.31 ERA

*Closes mouth, wipes drool from keyboard* WoW. Those are numbers. Well one's a fraction of a number but you get the jist.

I mentioned Pedro and I don't think he's going to be able to do that on short rest through out the playoffs (give him one short rest start in the divisonal and he's cooked the rest of the way).

In fairness, the Cy Young isn't given out for "highest future expected value".

I wasn't even thinking of long-term. Right now - September 11, 2003 - I would rather have Halladay pitching for me than Loaiza. Of course, I'm somewhat biased. :-)

Roy is now leading the "Which pitcher should win the AL Cy Young Award" fan poll on ESPN.com's home page. Loaiza is 2nd, Hudson 3rd and Mussina 4th.

Right now - September 11, 2003 - I would rather have Halladay pitching for me than Loaiza.

What, you'd send him back out after 9 innings this afternoon? You're a heartless bastard. ;)

The other great thing about Halladay is he eats innings without getting those dangerously high pitch counts. He's at 101.3 P/GS and 13.72 P/IP. I just did a breakdown for the year on his pitch count:

< 80 : 4 starts (avg 5.75 innings)
80-89 : 0 starts (odd...)
90-99 : 10 starts (avg 7.8 innings)
100-109 : 10 starts (avg 7.64 innings)
110-119 : 8 starts (avg 7.5 innings)
>= 120 : 1 start (8 innings, exactly 120 pitches)

An interesting piece of news the most wins by any pitcher since 2002 is Roy Halladay. He is the stuff legends are made out of. Right now if I had to pick any pitcher to go Game 1 in the world series it would be Hallady. I am sure a lot of people would agree. Halladay has taken over Pedro's mantle and considering that the Jays got a pretty easy September it is time to really make his numbers look even more amazing then they already are. It would be a travesty if he did not win the Cy Young.

An interesting piece of news the most wins by any pitcher since 2002 is Roy Halladay. He is the stuff legends are made out of. Right now if I had to pick any pitcher to go Game 1 in the world series it would be Hallady. I am sure a lot of people would agree. Halladay has taken over Pedro's mantle and considering that the Jays got a pretty easy September it is time to really make his numbers look even more amazing then they already are. It would be a travesty if he did not win the Cy Young.

Uh . . . nice rose-coloured glasses you've got on there.

How soon can JP lock Halladay up?

How soon can JP lock Halladay up?

I believe that he *could* resign any day he pleases because of where he sits in his current contract. Otherwise, I've got the lock if you have the chain ;-)

Yes, Roy Halladay is a great pitcher, but with this defence behind him, he can be nicked for 3-4 runs per game consistently by a good offence. The lineup has to be stacked with mature left-handed hitters, who are quite willing to go the other way (sort of the antithesis of Tampa Bay- Boston's offence would be a good example).

Against a team that keeps pulling grounders to Hudson, who gobbles up the routine and the not-so-routine gleefully, Halladay will be consistently overpowering.

Here's a question that's been bugging me:

After 2003, how many years of MLB service time will Roy have?

Year ERA W L G GS IP H BB SO
2003 3.29 20 6 33 33 243.0 234 31 180
2002 2.93 19 7 34 34 239.1 223 62 168
2001 3.16 5 3 17 16 105.1 97 25 96
2000 10.64 4 7 19 13 67.2 107 42 44
1999 3.91 8 7 36 18 149.1 156 79 82
1998 1.92 1 0 2 2 14.0 9 2 13

He's got 3 full seasons plus 2 half seasons and one cup of coffee.

Looks like around 4 years and change.

Does that mean he won't be a free agent until after 2005?

jc

After 2005 is correct.