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Now that I've stuck an Erasure tune in many of your heads .... ESPN's Page 2 has an article about the most underrated athletes of all time. Among baseball players, Stan Musial, Arky Vaughn and Lefty Grove receive prominent mention. "Underrated" is a tricky term, of course, since everyone has a slightly different definition. Underrated by whom? Fans, media, other players? But hey, most of the fun baseball debates usually involve the phrase "that depends on your definition of..."

Anyway, this made me think: who's the most underrated Blue Jay of all time? Everyone is allowed two nominees at most, one pitcher and one hitter. Your reasons can range from the sentimental to the sabrmetric, but you have to provide those reasons.

Here are my nominees:

Hitter: John Olerud
The franchise's all-time leader in OBP, he's also a surprising 7th in team SLG, for a third-place ranking in OPS (behind only his replacements at first base, Fred McGriff and Carlos Delgado). He's in the franchise Top Ten in batting average, runs, hits, doubles and total bases, with an OPS+ over 100 in each of his seven full seasons with the team. On top of that, he became a sterling defender over time and, if this sort of thing matters, he produced a decent .267/.353/.400 line in 30 World Series ABs. Yet many fans might still rank Willie Upshaw as the better Jays first baseman. He's remembered mostly for his amazing 1993 season, his batting helmet and his quiet demeanour, but he was a very valuable player.

Pitcher: Jimmy Key
I think that the more knowledgeable fans appreciate Jimmy Key, but most fans and even many analysts overlook that Key was not only the best lefthander ever to pitch for Toronto, he was one of the best pitchers period. In fact, Key is first or second among starters in numerous career categories like ERA (2nd), W-L% (2nd), WHIP (1st), BB/IP (2nd), while being third in wins, starts and shutouts. He had 6 plus-100 ERA+ seasons, and is in the Top Ten seasonal charts in many categories. Like Olerud, he was a quiet guy whose repertoire wasn't 100-mph fastballs or high-strikeout seasons, but he was the second-best pitcher the team ever had.
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_Chuck Van Den C - Friday, August 08 2003 @ 12:13 PM EDT (#95258) #
Pitcher - Dave Stieb

From age 21 to 32 he was a regular in the rotation. During this period, only once did he post an ERA+ under 100. He had an ERA+ of 130 or better 6 times with a high of 171 in 1985 (2.48 ERA, league ERA 4.23).

He won 18 games once and 17 games three times, pitching for some pretty bad teams. He logged a lot of innings, topping 260 four times (admittedly, in a lesser offensive context than today).

He was a surly SOB and I have no doubt that this works against his memory. Names like Rico Carty and Otto Velez seem to inspire more nostalgia.

Hitter - Rance Mullinks

He was everyman, a wiry little guy who didn't use batting gloves and choked up on the bat. He gave the illusion to fans that with enough effort, we could possibly do what he was doing.

At his peak, he could hit for average, draw some walks and slap some doubles. He played passable defense at third base, relying more on guile and savy than raw ability.

The Rance/Garth platoon was ultimately replaced by the very physically talented Kelly Gruber. Many at the time mused that Rance's brain in Kelly's body would have translated to MVP.
_The Onion - Friday, August 08 2003 @ 12:30 PM EDT (#95259) #
I respectfully add Tony Castillo, the reliever. He was effective, and didn't receive any hype. Discounting his 1988/89 years and focusing on his prime years (1993-1996, take a look at this:

15 for 15 in save opportunities
263.2 innings pitched with a 3.35 e.r.a
5.4 K's per 9 innings
a 1.26 WHIP

Anyway, we're going for underrated, and I don't hear anyone speak poetically about Castillo. Just ask yourself, how glad would you be to have him comin' out of the bullpen this year.
_Ryan - Friday, August 08 2003 @ 01:00 PM EDT (#95260) #
Darrin Fletcher was one I didn't think got the recognition he deserved (in his first three season in Toronto, at least). His 1998 season was about average, but in his 1999 and 2000 seasons he was one of the better hitting catchers in the league. It seemed like his inablility to throw out runners overshadowed many of his useful skills.
_Mick - Friday, August 08 2003 @ 01:37 PM EDT (#95261) #
I choose to define "underrated" as "underrated by non-Blue-Jay fans." Thus making the choices fairly easy:
Paul Quantrill
Lloyd Moseby
You may choose to disagree, and I will defend to the death your right to be so utterly and disgustingly wrong.
_Dez - Friday, August 08 2003 @ 01:55 PM EDT (#95262) #
::delurk::

Woody Williams

Could never understand why he wasn't liked that much as a Blue Jay. A 6 inning pitcher, maybe, but what was wrong with that? Oh well - glad that he blossomed into a star and is certainly not underated anymore.
_Jabonoso - Friday, August 08 2003 @ 08:05 PM EDT (#95263) #
I fully agree with Olie as the M.U.P. in this land.
As for pitchers it is harder since Stieb was better than generally perceived and Dez you are right, who cared for Woody while in Toronto, a shame!
_Jeremy - Saturday, August 09 2003 @ 11:52 AM EDT (#95264) #
Devon White comes to my mind as a hitter. His catch in Game 3 of the '92 World Series is not much mentioned by media types when great plays and games in October are discussed. His catch saved at least one, and probably two runs; and who knows if the Series would have been different if he couldn't track down Justice's shot.

As for a pitcher, Pat Hentgen. Like Delgado, his prime Blue Jay years came after the glory days of '92 and '93, but he still ranks quite high on Blue Jay all-time lists and is only one of 4 Jays to reach 100 wins in a Toronto uniform. His Cy Young season of '96, especially the second half, was nothing short of majestic, and arguably the best season any Toronto pitcher not named Clemens ever had, although Halladay's season this year might even be better if he keeps in his groove.
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