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The D-Rays aren't the biggest gate attraction, so the scouts may outnumber the spectators tonight. They will be looking closely at two Venezuelan righty starters for the price of one, as Kelvim Escobar faces Jeremi Gonzalez. Kelvim has been widely discussed in Da Box, but Gonzalez, quietly enjoying a fine comeback season, is an unknown to the Jays and most fans.

Since his callup in mid-May, the 28-year-old has made 13 starts, only one of which was really bad. He's 4-4 with a 3.73 ERA, but three of his losses were by scores of 2-0, 2-1 and 3-2, and he's been very good in a couple of no-decisions. Jeremi beat the Yankees in June on six innings of one-hitter, held the Red Sox to three runs last time out, and blanked the Rangers, scattering five hits in eight innings, in his previous start. The walks (40) to strikeouts (63) aren't great, and 11 HR in 79.2 IP is a concern, but he's allowed opponents just a .209 average. It's no sure thing that the Jays will hit Gonzalez; this could be an interesting duel. Escobar is 4-6, 6.37 against Tampa in his career, and 2-5, 6.39 at home this year. The speculation about his future could also be a distraction, so it would hardly be shocking if he's less than awesome.

Carlos Tosca has made it official, according to Mike Wilner on The FAN 590 -- Mike Bordick is now the starting shortstop, and Chris Woodward will play "one or two days a week" until further notice. Howie Clark was sent to Syracuse to make room for Dave Berg, leaving Tosca without a lefty stick on the bench. Frank Catalanotto is playing first base tonight, so Delgado can DH. Cat is batting seventh, with Hinske remaining in the 2-hole.
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Pistol - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#95985) #
Why can't Phelps play 1B? This is frustrating.
Pepper Moffatt - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 07:08 PM EDT (#95986) #
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Carlos Tosca has made it official, according to Mike Wilner on The FAN 590 -- Mike Bordick is now the starting shortstop, and Chris Woodward will play "one or two days a week" until further notice.

Um.. WHY?!? Is JP shopping Bordick, or did Woody's car run over Tosca's dog? I know Woodward hasn't been playing great lately, but I'll take him over Bordick anyday. The guy has been an above average offensive SS, and his defense, while bad, doesn't make up for the difference between his bat and Bordick's.

Mike
Coach - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 07:16 PM EDT (#95987) #
Nice first inning for Super Kelvim -- 6 pitches, to get a popup behind the plate and two easy bouncers for unassisted putouts by the new 1B.

Maybe Bordick and Catalanotto are both being showcased. Phelps' season is a disaster; first he had the sore wrist, then he hasn't had regular AB since interleague play began almost two months ago. The only way he'll get his stroke back is to hit.
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 07:20 PM EDT (#95988) #
Anyone notice that on Hinske's bloop double, he carried the handle of his broken bat all the way to second with him?

Does anyone know the ruling on that? Are players permitted to run the bases with bats, either entire or partial?

Re Bordick becoming the starting shortstop (if temporarily): this was what I feared when he was signed. Bordick is beloved as a solid citizen and a "true professional". This currency seems to preclude employers from taking too close a look at his on-field contributions.
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 07:27 PM EDT (#95989) #
Phelps' season is a disaster

It seems the only thing that can resurrect Phelps' playing time, short of an injury to a starter, is a Reed Johnson slump (which has not been as forthcoming as some of us, myself included, may have anticipated) or a trade of Catalanotto.

Cat's recent hitting slump has dropped his numbers substantially, especially for a weak fielding corner OF. Is he still tradable?

If the team isn't going anywhere this year (and really, who truly believes they are?) I'd much rather see Phelps close the season with another 150-200 AB, even if it means moving a fan and Box favourite. Ih Phelps flounders, so be it. Re-evaluate his future at the end of the season.
_Lurch - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 07:36 PM EDT (#95990) #
Poor Phelps.

At least his benching is getting Catalanotto's Woodward-like bat some attention.
Pistol - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 07:46 PM EDT (#95991) #
I know Woodward hasn't been playing great lately, but I'll take him over Bordick anyday. The guy has been an above average offensive SS, and his defense, while bad, doesn't make up for the difference between his bat and Bordick's.

Bordick's OPS this year: 696
Woodward's OPS this year: 725
_Dr B - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 07:56 PM EDT (#95992) #
The only point of keeping Woodward on the bench is to give him some time on the side to get some extra teaching in a low pressure situation. Perhaps they feel his confidence has gone.

After the trade deadline Phelps needs to get his at bats.
_Lurch - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 08:17 PM EDT (#95993) #
Seeing starters not named Halladay pitch well is disconcerting to me.

Both guys on the mound tonight have been excellent though.

1-0 Jays on Myers homer.
Coach - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 08:24 PM EDT (#95994) #
Actually, Lurch, it was 1-0 on Crash's first-inning sac fly. Now it's 3-0, after light-hitting Bordick extended his streak to eight games with a double, and Reed Johnson singled him home.
_Lurch - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 08:29 PM EDT (#95995) #
Oh right. I was disappointed that the 1st resulted in so few runs, and wiped the 1 run from my mind.

I'm not imagining Kelvim's fine pitching though.
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 08:32 PM EDT (#95996) #
In all seriousness, do you suppose any person in the history of our planet has uttered the phrase "inside for a strike" more often than has Rob Faulds this season?

How many people do you think have uttered the phrase even once?
Coach - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 08:36 PM EDT (#95997) #
Make it 4-zip, and give Wells RBI #94.

Escobar's been terrific -- just 54 pitches, 37 for strikes, through five innings. He's changing speeds well, and hitting the corners, which isn't easy with Joe West and his tiny strike zone back there.

J.P. spent a whole inning in the Sportsnet booth, and it was a complete waste of his time -- neither Faulds nor Candiotti could think of a single interesting question. Candiotti's grammar is atrocious; he has trouble with past participles. It reminds me of racetrack jargon, which is all in the present tense -- "I run the big horse last week and he win by five." Tom should have took English classes so he'd know where he's at as a broadcaster.

"Inside for a strike" isn't nearly as funny as "shallow fly to right-center, and, uh, gone!"
_jason - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 08:37 PM EDT (#95998) #
Can we trade Rob Faulds and John Cerrutti for a bottle of hooch?
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 08:42 PM EDT (#95999) #
Can we trade Rob Faulds and John Cerrutti for a bottle of hooch?

How do you think SportsNet got them in the first place?
Coach - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 08:47 PM EDT (#96000) #
Brutal throw by Catalanotto trying to start a 3-6-3 double play; everybody was safe. After a fielder's choice scored one, a rattled Kelvim served up a three-run blast to Travis Lee, and just like that it's a tie ballgame.

Tom Wilson's the best option at first if they have to rest Carlos, although we haven't seen enough of Phelps to form an opinion. Kielty looked great one game and horrible the next, and you have to hang this inning on Cat. Escobar's not the best at handling adversity, either.
_Lurch - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 08:54 PM EDT (#96001) #
Escobar deserved somewhat better than that. Yuck.

I don't even know what Catalanotto has done to stay in the lineup at this point.
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 09:06 PM EDT (#96002) #
I don't even know what Catalanotto has done to stay in the lineup at this point.

It's not July 31 yet.
_jason - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 09:08 PM EDT (#96003) #
What would actually be funny would be to trade Faulds and Cerrutti for a bag of crap. That way, you can hold up the bag of crap and say, "Yo, look what we traded you for. A bag of crap."
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#96004) #
What would actually be funny would be to trade Faulds and Cerrutti for a bag of crap.

Who'd want to part with a bag?
Coach - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 09:21 PM EDT (#96005) #
Escobar deserved somewhat better than that.

Sure. He deserves a competent first baseman, maybe someone who has played at least an inning there this year. However, Cat's misplay, which cost one sure out and a chance at two, would have made a more mature pitcher (like the younger Halladay) bear down and get out of the inning with a strikeout and a ground ball. Super Kelvim can turn into Hopeless Kelvim in an instant, and that's nobody's fault but his own.

CRASH!!!

Another Myers homer, this one a 3-run shot, and the Jays regain the lead, 7-6. Mike Wilner just said "nobody could imagine" Greg would be this good. Ahem. I resent being called a nobody.
_the shadow - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 09:24 PM EDT (#96006) #
The most sought after Jay at the trade deadline will be "Crash"
Coach - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#96007) #
Aquilino Lopez is going to be just fine as the eighth-inning guy. He's the opposite of Escobar emotionally -- nothing bothers him. The co-closers (Miller and Politte) might both work in the ninth. I'd let Politte face the first three guys, then if Huff comes up, it's Miller time.
robertdudek - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 09:43 PM EDT (#96008) #
Sparkplug gets on with a bunt single. He just stole 2nd. I think the bunt single attempt is the best small-ball strategem of the lot.
Coach - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 09:53 PM EDT (#96009) #
Can we call him "Sparky" for short? There's such an "in your face" element to Reed's game, and he definitely has a sense of timing. I thought it was interesting that he played LF tonight with Kielty in RF; Johnson has more range and at least as good an arm.

Tosca did what many of us have urged -- staying with the hot hand (Lopez) until he gave up a leadoff single. Now he goes to Miller, as two of the next three batters are lefties. I hope he has Politte ready if it comes down to Baldelli.
_Cristian - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 09:53 PM EDT (#96010) #
Slightly off topic but can anyone figure out this string of numbers?

1 1 0 1 0

No it's not binary code. It's the Dodgers runs scored over the past five days. It's funny how the 'we should have kept Shawn Green' laments have died down this year.
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 09:55 PM EDT (#96011) #
I resent being called a nobody.

Terence Hill was comfortable being nobody.
Coach - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 09:56 PM EDT (#96012) #
Service? Politte must be hurting again. Miller is thinking out there; the ninth-inning pressure got to him.
Coach - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 09:59 PM EDT (#96013) #
This just in, from Lee Sinins:

The Reds traded P Scott Williamson to the Redsox for minor league P Phil Dumatrait.

The Angels traded P Scott Schoeneweis and minor league P Doug Nickle to the Whitesox for P Gary Glover and minor league Ps Scott Dunn and Tim Bittner.

The Yankees traded P Dan Miceli to the Astros for a player to be named later or cash.

The Mets traded INF Rey Sanchez to the Mariners for minor league OF Kenny Kelly.
Mike D - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 10:05 PM EDT (#96014) #
Now, I'm very liberal politically. But there are some Services even I wouldn't mind seeing cut in Ontario.
_Lurch - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 10:06 PM EDT (#96015) #
Kershner, Lopez, Miller, Service ... Rocco 2 RBI single.
Coach - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 10:07 PM EDT (#96016) #
Service is no closer, either. He threw a pitch behind Baldelli's head (Crash, set up down and away, made a fantastic save) then gave up a seeing-eye, 2-run single. Has anyone heard why Politte would be unavailable?
robertdudek - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 10:11 PM EDT (#96017) #
It occured to me that the D-Rays are well-suited to turf. Fast guys who put the ball in play (and seem to get hits on grounders with maddening regularity), speedy outfield and good basestealers.
Mike D - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 10:11 PM EDT (#96018) #
1. Relievers are not a dime a dozen.
2. Defence does matter.

I have only one reason for each of these propositions, and it's the same reason:

3. Some players are way worse than others.
_Carlos Delgado - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 10:15 PM EDT (#96019) #
I refuse to lose.

Yet.
Coach - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 10:21 PM EDT (#96020) #
Nice try, Carlos. If you could have prevented some of those errors at first base, it would have helped. Can you pitch an inning?
robertdudek - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 10:22 PM EDT (#96021) #
Once again, the Jays lose a game to the D-Rays and I can't figure out how it happened. Anyone remember Hendrickson taking a 3-0 lead into the bottom of the 8th in April?
_Dr B - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 11:15 PM EDT (#96022) #
The Reds traded P Scott Williamson to the Redsox for minor league P Phil Dumatrait.

Once again Redsox addgreat talent while giving up very little. (It is reported there is also PTBN, but they don't usually amount to much). Sauerbeck, Kim, and now Williamson. Epstein has done a superb job. (He may even get Brandon Lyon back...:-) )
_yesiamcanadian - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 12:37 AM EDT (#96023) #
Mondesi a D-BACK, How many dumb GM's are there?
_Cristian - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 01:02 AM EDT (#96024) #
Mondesi and Hillenbrand. The Diamondbacks are attempting to wear the mantle of 'team most despised by statsheads.' It's a shame they dumped Tony Womack.
_Mick - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 01:28 AM EDT (#96025) #
Bobby Valentine said "there will be another trade by the Yankees; losing Mondesi really hurts their outfield depth."

On the first point ... duh. On the second point, uh ... duh!

Can anyone update me on Bret Prinz's status? If he's healthy, from what I remember of him, that's potentially a not-quite-Scott-Williamson-but-we'll-take-it pickup for New York.

And ESPN.com's headline on this trade spells the other D-Back's last name "Delllucci."

Some third-rate copyeditor is probablly trying to invoke karma in order to send some extra "L's" to the Bronx.
Craig B - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 08:37 AM EDT (#96026) #
Mick, Prinz just came off the DL, but he's apparently OK.

Re Garagiola, he always looks like an idiot, but take a look at what Hillenbrand has done since coming to Arizona. Yowza.

Dumatrait, incidentally, has always been considered a very good prospect, though his numbers this year are poor. Both teams got what they wanted.
_Mick Jagger - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 09:02 AM EDT (#96027) #
Dumatrait, incidentally, has always been considered a very good prospect, though his numbers this year are poor. Both teams got what they wanted.

You can't always get that, though.
Craig B - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 09:09 AM EDT (#96028) #
Quick hit on Woodward vs. Bordick... Woody's bat this year is about seven runs better than Bordick's over a full season.

Bordick this year has an EqA of .242, over the previous two years .247 and .262. (His career mark coming into this year is .251)

Woodward's career EqA coming into this season is also .251, this year it's .257.

Bordick, of course, has been one of the better defensive shortstops in the game. Woodward... is not. Woody is near the bottom of MLB shortstops in both fielding % and ZR. Bordick would be fourth in ZR if he had enough time to be a regular (he was second last year) and o course his steady hands are legendary. From 1999-2002, Bordick was 18 runs better than *average* at short per 162 games... and he's still terrific. Woodward hasn't been close to average. I wouldn't be surprised if Bordick could have saved 15-20 runs this year already over Woody if he's been getting 80% of the starts.

I thought this move should have been made at the beginning of the year, but I was intrigued enough by Woodward's offense last year to say they should be platooned since Bordick massacres lefthanded pitching. I was wrong. Bordick should have been starting all year.
_Matthew Elmslie - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 09:13 AM EDT (#96029) #
That game was total BS.

On the other hand, if that's the kind of luck the D-Rays need to win a stinkin' ballgame, then I feel pretty good about the next two games in the series.
Craig B - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 09:15 AM EDT (#96030) #
I do hope that this move doesn't alienate Woody, who has a *terrific* career ahead of him as Dave Berg with power, a guy who can fill in at three spots and not embarrass you while pinch-hitting regularly and backing up first base where needed.
_Named For Hank - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 10:09 AM EDT (#96031) #
Well, maybe this'll stop the parade of "Myers is having a great year but it won't last because he's really not that good."

Oh, who am I kidding, they'll be saying that up to the last day of the season.

That was a brutal ending to a pretty entertaining game. All of my faves delivered except for Cat, who's totally stone cold. What the heck happened to him? I feel like I jinxed him with my big "Vote Catalanotto" sign. He saw it one game and gave me a ball...and then he cooled off. Maybe I should bring the ball back?
_Spicol - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 10:20 AM EDT (#96032) #
Yes, give him the ball back! And soon! Somehow his mojo leaked onto it.
_Spicol - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 10:42 AM EDT (#96033) #
Re Garagiola, he always looks like an idiot, but take a look at what Hillenbrand has done since coming to Arizona. Yowza.

Should we really be surprised at all by what Hillenbrand has done? His performance is only a shade better than what his non-Fenway performance had been in 2002 and 2003...I honestly think he is a 900 OPS guy and said so then. I couldn't believe the negative reaction to that trade, maybe more in Primer than here, but about 95% of the posters thought Gargiola was an idiot. He probably is, but not for this trade.
_Lurch - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 11:20 AM EDT (#96034) #
Would you trade Halladay for Hillenbrand? It's not quite that bad, but it's close.
_Spicol - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 11:25 AM EDT (#96035) #
Not a good comparison. The Jays don't need a third baseman.
_John Neary - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 11:30 AM EDT (#96036) #
Are you saying that Halladay and Kim are roughly equal in value?
_Lurch - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 12:18 PM EDT (#96037) #
Yes, they are close in value. Kim is younger and has a slightly longer history of success. Halladay is a innings eater and cheaper at this point.
Mike D - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 12:31 PM EDT (#96038) #
I don't know, Lurch. You lost me on this one.

And for crying out loud, pitch like you did at Yankee Stadium on Thursday!
Gitz - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 12:35 PM EDT (#96039) #
I think it's safe to say Halladay is considerably more than an "inexpensive innings eater."
Mike D - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 12:40 PM EDT (#96040) #
I wouldn't have traded Halladay for Kim even in the infamous 2000/Dunedin season.
_Lurch - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 01:28 PM EDT (#96041) #
And for crying out loud, pitch like you did at Yankee Stadium on Thursday

I'll try, but's it hard when the two biggests assets you have are height and left-handedness.

All I meant is that Halladay is great pitcher, and is entering his prime. So is Kim. Trading one of those for anything but a truly great position player, is a bad thing.
_Spicol - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 02:22 PM EDT (#96042) #
Trading one of those for anything but a truly great position player, is a bad thing.

I don't think you can simplify it down to that level. Arizona had nobody to play third, quality pitching outside of Kim, budgetary concerns and a very short window of time with which to win. Once Schilling and Johnson, Finley and Gonzalez are gone, that team is bad with or without Kim. Garagiola made that trade for this year. Yeah, he gave up a quality guy, but there was more to it than trying to even it up in terms of talent.
_Lurch - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 02:46 PM EDT (#96043) #
Don't they have some guy in AAA to play 3rd? Anyway, Hillenbrand is a 3rd basemen in name only, they could play anyone there.

What quality pitching did they have outside of Kim, exactly? Without the big two, very little before that rookie came up. Their pitching wasn't going to be good, and they traded their 3rd best for a hitter. That was bad short-term, although they got lucky with a surprise performance. Again.
_Jonny German - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 03:22 PM EDT (#96044) #
Wow, what a well thought out rebuttal Lurch. I'm not sure whether to ask a) Why the Jays didn't give Phelps a try at 3rd when Hinske was out, since anybody can play there or b) What sort of genetic experimentation is going on in Arizona that allows Shea to be multiple players, even if it is in name only.

By rights this is Spicol's cookie, so I'll leave it at that and let him take over.
_Lurch - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 03:35 PM EDT (#96045) #
So you'll leave it at nothing?
_Named For Hank - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 05:11 PM EDT (#96046) #
Considering the nature of my bizarre baseball-related luck, I might just have to bring the ball back to Frank, Spicol. I've put it in my satchel and I'll be bringing it to tonight's game, so we'll see if just having it in Cat-proximity does the trick. I'm showing up after 8:15, so don't judge the results on anything that happens before that. ;)
_Spicol - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 05:18 PM EDT (#96047) #
Don't they have some guy in AAA to play 3rd?

Sure, who doesn't? Most AAA teams do have people that could play third. The question is, would that person have contributed to Arizona this year? Chad Tracy is their best 3B prospect and closest to the majors. He's 23, hits for average and a bit of power (344/389/486 in AA last year) and at first glance is having a good season in AAA this season (313/366/445). But, considering that's the PCL, being led by those numbers would grossly misrepresent what Tracy would be likely to do this season (all that only adds up to a 238 MjEQA). As a former first baseman, he's also suspect with the glove...16 errors in 95 games this season and 26 errors last. Actually, if he hits his peak, he'll be a Shane Hillenbrand clone. Would he have contribited what Hillenbrand has and will continue to contribute throughout 2003? Extremely doubtful.

What quality pitching did they have outside of Kim, exactly?

Arizona is 3rd in the NL in ERA, despite having lost Johnson for most of the year and Schilling for part of the year. They've been doing fine without Kim.

Their pitching wasn't going to be good, and they traded their 3rd best for a hitter.

You can't always bunch scraps together to get something of value. Yes, Kim is good. But they needed a hitter more than they needed a pitcher. They weren't fond of Kim's attitude and most importantly, and I am repeating this now, Arizona is operating with serious financial concerns. Hillenbrand was a cheap option.

That was bad short-term, although they got lucky with a surprise performance.

Not a surprise at all. I'm telling you, he had a 651 lifetime OPS at Fenway with no power to speak of. His career OPS was more than 200 'points' higher simply by playing outside of that park. By being taken out of Fenway, he was bound to improve.

Hillenbrand was and is more important to Arizona this year than Kim was. And this year is all that matters for that franchise. If you disagree with Arizona's strategy, that's fine, but you can't deny that Hillenbrand has been very effective for them.
Coach - Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 06:00 PM EDT (#96048) #
we'll see if just having it in Cat-proximity does the trick.

Named for Hank: don't try to give the ball back to Frank without wearing a helmet. He's probably not in a great mood...
_Named For Hank - Thursday, July 31 2003 @ 10:50 AM EDT (#96049) #
Lord knows I was close enough to do it, but he didn't look like a happy man. I had tickets in 524, but I went down to 123 to visit my uncle and my cousin in their season tickets seats, and lo and behold, most of their row was empty, so I sat down there for the second half of the game.

Not really a great one...

Hey, am I the only one who has bizarre baseball luck superstitions (I mean as a fan -- I know that some players are as bad or worse than me)? I wear certain t-shirts under my jersey, I wear my hat/don't wear my hat, wear my jersey/don't wear my jersey, all to prolong or break streaks. Sometimes I feel like a loser, but then sometimes it seems like it works, so I just can't help myself.
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