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Ouch! It hurts to fall from what I thought was a pretty secure second place and wake up this morning in third. Baird Brain enjoyed a brilliant 11-0 week against Chatsworth, while my team got thumped 10-2 by the Thunderbirds. Every week, I confidently assume that my hitters will keep me in the match, and hope that my pitchers will take a category or two, but no strategy is immune to disasters in Head-to-Head play.

Carlos Delgado, obviously tired from carrying the Jays and the Walrus on his back all season, sported a nifty 143/294/214 line for the abbreviated week. Milton Bradley chipped in with 133/235/333 and Bernie Williams was so bad (071/235/143) I traded him. When Marlon Byrd and Scott Spiezio are your hitting "stars," you're in trouble. Three of my starters didn't even pitch, and the ones who did were awful. Enough of this whining -- Jurgen wants to see the standings.


There are only six weeks left in the regular season. Runaway leader Snelville Jones won again, 7-4 over AGF, and only his margin of victory remains in question. Billies Bashers beat Mebion Glyndwr 9-3 in a match that changed both teams' status in the playoff race. With an 8-4 win over K-Town, Nation Builders made a move into fifth place, but seven teams are grouped within 2.5 games of the final two spots in the championship playoff round, so it's sure to be an exciting finish. Four teams are bunched within one game in the battle for the final spot in the consolation round.
 #  Team                     W-L-T      Win %    GB 
1 gashouse gorillas 122-61-9 .659 --
2 Baird Brain 106-75-11 .581 15
3 Toronto Walrus 107-78-7 .576 16
4 Billies Bashers 102-81-9 .555 20
5 Nation Builders 97-89-6 .521 26.5
6 AGF 97-89-6 .521 26.5
7 Red Mosquitos 94-87-11 .518 27
8 Jicks Rays 94-88-10 .516 27.5
9 Mebion Glyndwr 96-92-4 .510 28.5
10 Sub-Urban Shockers 91-88-13 .508 29
11 K-Town Mashers 95-92-5 .508 29
12 Reykjavik Fish Candy 88-94-10 .484 33.5
13 Springfield Isotopes 88-95-9 .482 34
14 Eastern Shore Birds 88-96-8 .479 34.5
15 Chatsworth Halos 88-96-8 .479 34.5
16 Thunderbirds 83-102-7 .451 40
17 Moscow Rats 81-101-10 .448 40.5
18 masssuckage 75-104-13 .424 45
19 Garces_not_on_roids 73-109-10 .406 48.5
20 Geoffs Grumpy Group 69-117-6 .375 54.5
Am I worried about slipping right out of the playoffs? Not at all; I haven't given up on that first-round bye. A little help from the Isotopes against Baird Brain this week would be nice, and I'm not expecting my collective hitting slump to last long. Boomer Wells makes his Walrus debut this week against masssuckage -- I guess the Hannibal's Cannibals merchandise wasn't selling well -- and Paul Lo Duca is a big improvement over my revolving door of free agent catchers.

This is the last week to improve your team for the stretch drive; Sunday is the trading deadline. It is not the last chance for rebuilding teams to improve themselves for next year, but you'll have to wait, at least until October. We have approved offseason trading in principle, so now we should define the rules. There semed to be a general consensus that a window after the season and one before the next draft is a good idea, but some want it as short as a week, others as long as a month. The idea of unlimited offseason trading hasn't been rejected. Let's open the floor to discussion; when we have a specific proposal to vote on, we'll do it by e-mail. I'll start the ball rolling -- two weeks after the regular season ends, and two weeks before we announce keepers (that deadline is a week before the draft).

You won't be able to make trade offers via Yahoo after this week, but Batter's Box will be "open for business" all year. If two teams agree on an offseason trade, they should notify me or Jordan, and we'll post a BB entry. I'm not going to assume that everyone reads the site every day, so I'll propose a one week period after the announcement for any objections, which could either be posted as comments or sent by e-mail. There should probably be no trading allowed during that final week before the keeper deadline, so that the trade committee, which will be convened if necessary, can rule on any disputed deals. Spicol's going to keep track of the offseason moves, and we'll maintain league Web pages with rosters and e-mail addresses here in Da Box.
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_Gwyn - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 09:04 AM EDT (#13771) #
Mebion Glyndwr are set for a Boston Red Sox style slide out of contention given that we have the mighty Gorillas this week after being thumped by the Bashers superb pitching performance last week. It doesn't help matters when Julio Lugo and Geoff Jenkins are your best hitters either.
A last ditch trade to try and boost my sorry pitching this week and then it's hoping for a magical Vlad return to squeeze me into the playoff backdoor.
_Spicol - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 09:36 AM EDT (#13772) #
It's great when the leaders have such an off-week that one can tie 6-6 and still move from 9th to 7th place.

MVP for the Week: Desi Relaford's clutch steal late Sunday turned a 5-6 loss into the afore mentioned tie. Is there a "clutch stealing" metric?

The "You Suck, Go Home" Award: Luis Castillo was 0-7. Man, short weeks are boring.

Trade Talk: I made a 6 player trade last week but am nowhere near done. I still want to improve my starting pitching and need one slugger/RBI type. Take a package of any two of Frank Catalanotto, Octavio Dotel, Kyle Lohse, Rodrigo Lopez, Jason Davis, new Chicago closers Damaso Marte and Tom Gordon (take them together to get all of the saves) for one Top-120 starter or Hitter.

PS: What's up with Ron "Cy" Villone this year? Check him out in other leagues if you haven't already.
_Spicol - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 09:45 AM EDT (#13773) #
Spicol's going to keep track of the offseason moves, and we'll maintain league Web pages with rosters and e-mail addresses here in Da Box.

Since I'm tracking the rosters anyway, I'll also offer to maintain the league pages if you'd like...I have mad HTML skillz and an eye for colour co-ordination.
_Jonny German - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 10:49 AM EDT (#13774) #
So I pulled the trigger on a deadline deal, and the early read is less than great... Eastern thought I got rooked so bad that he tried to save me from myself, and this morning the supposed buyers, K-Town Mashers, are sitting one spot ahead of the sellers, Reykjavik Fish Candy. I knew that the trade might well be "too little too late", but now I'm wondering if that's actually the upside for me.

I'm flexible on the off-season trading windows, but I prefer it to be open for the whole offseason, up to the keeper freeze date. I'll need some time after the MLB regular season to chew on the final stats. As mentioned before, I'd like to have a vote on expediting trades.
_Jonny German - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 10:50 AM EDT (#13775) #
Week 16 Roto Summary

									
R RBI SB AVG OBP SLG Hitting

1 Spring. 8 4 8 1 2 1 1
2 Thunder 8 5 5 9 7 7 5
3 Garces 17 12 2 7 9 12 11
4 Jicks 3 1 8 4 11 3 2
5 Baird 1 3 5 13 9 5 4
6 Billie 3 12 20 2 3 6 7
7 Nation 6 9 5 12 6 10 8
8 Sub-Urb 6 10 8 3 5 2 3
9 Hannib. 18 12 8 5 4 8 10
9 Red Mos 20 19 8 14 15 17 19
11 Reykjav 3 6 16 8 7 4 6
12 Gashous 12 1 2 16 18 11 12
13 Eastern 8 11 16 5 1 13 9
14 Mebion 8 16 8 11 14 15 14
15 Moscow 18 20 2 17 17 16 18
16 Toronto 2 8 8 15 13 14 12
17 AGF 15 7 16 18 16 9 16
18 K-Town 15 17 1 10 12 19 15
19 Geoffs 13 18 16 20 20 20 20
20 Chatsw. 13 12 8 19 19 18 17

									
IP W SV ERA WHIP K/BB Pitchng

1 Spring. 4 1 11 8 5 3 3
2 Thunder 1 2 11 10 10 4 4
3 Garces 3 5 5 1 1 7 1
4 Jicks 5 2 5 19 15 8 8
5 Baird 8 12 11 7 6 5 7
6 Billie 19 5 11 2 3 1 5
7 Nation 9 5 11 5 7 20 9
8 Sub-Urb 17 12 11 15 13 10 16
9 Hannib. 7 5 11 12 14 11 11
9 Red Mos 2 5 1 3 2 9 1
11 Reykjav 17 5 11 14 16 12 15
12 Gashous 20 5 5 6 11 14 12
13 Eastern 16 2 11 16 18 16 17
14 Mebion 13 16 5 11 11 6 13
15 Moscow 6 16 2 4 7 13 6
16 Toronto 15 12 2 17 17 19 19
17 AGF 12 12 5 9 9 18 14
18 K-Town 11 16 2 18 19 15 18
19 Geoffs 14 16 10 13 4 2 10
20 Chatsw. 10 16 11 20 19 17 20

Note to dp: If it's cool with you, I'm going to continue to list your team by it's original name. Changing the name is confusing to my macros.
_Jonny German - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 10:51 AM EDT (#13776) #
Roto Standings - End of Week 16
									
R RBI SB AVG OBP SLG Hitting

1 Jicks 8 6 18 11 6 7 8
2 Gashous 5 2 1 8 12 1 1
3 Baird 1 3 14 7 13 3 6
4 Nation 2 9 5 3 8 13 5
5 Toronto 4 1 15 4 3 4 2
6 Mebion 10 4 17 2 4 6 7
7 Billie 11 8 19 10 11 5 11
8 Reykjav 6 12 9 1 1 2 2
9 AGF 7 7 4 15 18 10 9
10 Red Mos 12 17 2 12 5 19 12
11 Garces 15 13 16 5 9 12 13
12 Sub-Urb 2 10 3 6 7 8 4
13 K-Town 13 14 7 14 15 11 14
14 Thunder 16 18 11 17 16 18 19
15 Moscow 14 11 10 9 10 9 10
16 Chatsw. 9 5 13 16 20 16 15
17 Geoffs 18 19 20 13 2 14 16
18 Eastern 18 16 8 18 14 17 17
19 Hannib. 20 20 6 20 19 20 20
20 Spring. 17 15 11 19 17 15 18

									
IP W SV ERA WHIP K/BB Pitchng

1 Jicks 2 2 3 7 3 11 1
2 Gashous 20 19 6 1 5 5 6
3 Baird 11 17 11 2 2 4 3
4 Nation 17 10 12 11 1 2 5
5 Toronto 12 20 1 19 8 3 8
6 Mebion 15 2 10 5 7 18 7
7 Billie 13 4 2 4 11 16 4
8 Reykjav 3 6 18 20 20 20 19
9 AGF 4 6 15 13 13 13 11
10 Red Mos 8 14 8 8 16 10 11
11 Garces 14 8 17 12 6 7 11
12 Sub-Urb 19 5 20 17 19 19 20
13 K-Town 5 10 6 16 15 12 11
14 Thunder 1 1 16 14 10 1 2
15 Moscow 9 16 12 10 14 17 18
16 Chatsw. 6 8 4 15 17 14 11
17 Geoffs 16 13 18 6 4 6 8
18 Eastern 18 17 4 3 9 15 16
19 Hannib. 10 15 8 9 12 9 8
20 Spring. 7 10 14 18 18 8 17
_Jicks Rays - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 11:00 AM EDT (#13777) #
PHEW!!! I was down 9-3, so 6-5 is a relief. I can't figure out what happened to my pitching this week. Good match Garces and I hope you win the rest of your matches, because they will not be against me!! Spicol, I maybe interested in doing a deal before the deadline. Any interest in Speier out there, let me know.
_Scott Lucas / N - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 11:22 AM EDT (#13778) #
Unbelievable how closely grouped the middle eleven teams are.

I'm now in 5th place, ten games out of 3rd but only 8.5 games out of 15th.

Mr. Pujols continues to carry my team. I'll have to inform my girlfriend that out first-born should be named "Albert," even if a girl. I'm sure she'll understand.
_Spicol - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 11:22 AM EDT (#13779) #
Rick...great. Think of an offer. I will as well. What are your needs?
_R Billie - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 12:03 PM EDT (#13780) #
I think if we're going to have off-season trading at all, it should be unlimited. Maybe you freeze trading until the end of this year's playoffs and freeze trading for a few days leading into next season's draft.

But otherwise, limiting off-season trading arbitrarily to a week or a month doesn't seem to make sense to me. Real life teams make moves all off-season which could affect the shape of our teams. If we're going to be allowed to trade, we should be able to respond to shifts in player teams and possibly values for the entire off-season.
_R Billie - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 12:06 PM EDT (#13781) #
BTW, eventhough I'm in a playoff spot, I am not adverse to moving a quality veteran pitcher such as Schilling in return for a position player who would be worth my while protecting with the first four picks for next year. If you're interested, make me an offer.
_Jicks Rays - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 01:09 PM EDT (#13782) #
Spicol, My needs were hitting but with Thomas, Jones and Bagwell having two homer games I just don't know! I think I just like to trade. If I had a week area it would be sb's. I may be crazy, but at the end of the year I would like to keep some of my young guys(Reyes, Phillips etc...). So I will be able to put some attractive packages together for someone. Keep this in mind before you throw all your premium keepers away.
_Spicol - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 01:24 PM EDT (#13783) #
I think if we're going to have off-season trading at all, it should be unlimited...Real life teams make moves all off-season which could affect the shape of our teams. If we're going to be allowed to trade, we should be able to respond to shifts in player teams and possibly values for the entire off-season.

I agree with you in theory but the chief difference is that GMs on real life teams get paid to pay attention...I doubt all of the BBFL owners are willing to offer a high level of committment to monitoring their teams all through the winter. If only a handful of teams are active, it can make for frustration in the way of unanswered trade offers. That said, I WOULD monitor my team throughout the winter, due to my high level of general hardcoreness. So, I still like the 2 weeks after the season and 2 weeks before keepers are announced. But if everyone will provide real, often checked email addresses and commit to answering trade offers promptly, I'd support an unlimited offseason trading window.
_dp - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 02:20 PM EDT (#13784) #
The trade value dropped out of Benitez this week, but I still have some valuable guys- newly reborn D'Angelo Jimenez, Brad Radke, Craig Wilson, Lyle Overbay, I-AM-A-YAHOO-LEAUE-2B Jolbert Cabrera (slugging .477!!!), Eduardo Perez (.365/.460), Edgardo Alfonzo, Ty Wigginton. Dave Roberts is rehabbing right now, and can break the steals category for you once he returns.

No one is safe- I'll let Estaban Loiza go, same for JD Drew and Shawn Green. My only sure keepers right now are I-Rod and Tim Hudson, but I'd deal either one if the right value is offered.

Look to masssuckage for your needs.
_Justin B. - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 02:35 PM EDT (#13785) #
I would prefer unlimited offseason trading myself, but I would certainly go along with a limited trading window as well, perhaps extended to a month on each end. Did anything come of the 2nd BBFL league and the relegation?
As far as deadline dealing, I would like to move a couple of borderline keepers for one top-tier keeper. Guys available are: Durazo, Alomar, Berroa, Edgar Martinez, Benson, Lackey, Guillen, and perhaps Chavez or Cameron if the return is right.
_King Rat - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 07:05 PM EDT (#13786) #
The Moscow Rats fire sale is on. Any player is available for the right price, though Garciaparra and Peavy won't come cheap. Come to the Manezh, for all your stretch drive needs!
_Jicks Rays - Tuesday, July 22 2003 @ 06:07 AM EDT (#13789) #
Thanks for the offer Spicol. I was working on a counter and wham! Dotel was gone, oh well, it wasn't meant to be. Unless something spectacular comes along I'm holding fast until after the season is over. Then lookout!!
_Jordan - Tuesday, July 22 2003 @ 12:22 PM EDT (#13790) #
Spicol, speaking of trades, I was out of town when your offer came in, but I would've probably declined. Ensberg has gone from waiver acquisition to probable keeper for next season, so I'm not able to move him at this point. Lee is interesting, though. Also, Billie, I had to cancel my Schilling offer to make a roster move, but I'm still open to discussions.

Generally, I'm willing to trade some young talent like Justin Morneau or Jesse Foppert to teams looking for potential keepers, and Brad Wilkerson could be packaged with one of these guys. If you really want a blockbuster, I'll deal Wilkerson and Meche for one top-of-the-line star.
_Spicol - Tuesday, July 22 2003 @ 01:45 PM EDT (#13791) #
Rats! Holy! Slow down dude...I would have given you more for Beltran and Ohka than Brad Wilkerson and Meche.

I realized today that I have likely gone over the line in terms of blowing the future to make a push for the playoffs this year. I'm displaying classic George Steinbrenner behaviour.Therefore, Brian Giles is available.

He's my only true keeper. Send me your offers before this trade-happy-drunkness wears off.
Coach - Wednesday, July 23 2003 @ 07:54 AM EDT (#13792) #
The Walrus and Billies Bashers have completed a fairly significant deal: Jason Giambi and Matt Morris for Mike Lowell and Curt Schilling.

I realize Curt hasn't looked like his dominating self in three starts since coming off the DL, but I'm hoping he comes around in time to help me in the playoffs. It seems like less of a longshot than counting on Morris, who is finally on the DL after pitching with pain for weeks.

It hurts to give up Giambi, but I'm getting a reasonable replacement CI in every category but OBP. Though everyone's relieved to see him back in the lineup, after a scary growth in his thigh proved benign, Lowell's health remains a concern. Considering that, and the difference in the pitchers' ages, R Billie probably "wins" this trade in the long run.

Most of the other offers I've received for Giambi and Morris were packages that stressed quantity over quality. This one doesn't leave me short of keeper candidates for next season. It's funny how hard it is to click "Accept" on something of this magnitude. Imagine if you were dealing with millions of dollars and real people's lives.
_Spicol - Wednesday, July 23 2003 @ 08:28 AM EDT (#13793) #
Fairly significant? Coach, that's huge!

In my absolute final trade (I swear), I just sent Brian Giles, Greg Myers and Brian Buchanan to the Thunderbirds for Edgar Martinez, Erubiel Durazo and John Lackey. This team is built for 2003 alone. It ain't pretty.

I'm tired now. I need to rest.
_Jordan - Wednesday, July 23 2003 @ 03:34 PM EDT (#13794) #
Wow ... BBFL deadline deals are way more exciting and blockbusterish than in the real world.

I'm still looking for a middle-infield upgrade ... Foppert and Morneau could be available.
_R Billie - Wednesday, July 23 2003 @ 09:05 PM EDT (#13795) #
I think it's a deal that will help both teams, particularly Walrus who are a bit more solidified in the playoff race than the Bashers. But I was really hurting for better production from the corner infielders with Lowell flanked by Hatteberg and Ventura, who have both fallen off cliffs after good starts. I realized I probably didn't have a "keeper" among the three given Lowell's age...I wasn't confident in using the equivalent of a 4th round pick to keep him.

So I decided I had to trade Schilling for a big bat...preferably on the infield with Jones and Sheffield probable keepers in the outfield. So I basically shifted things around a little and gave up a first round quality pitcher in his mid-30's for a first round quality slugger in his mid-30's. I get an OBP injection which my team has been dreadful in for the most part and hopefully in the long run bigger power and RBI numbers. Assuming Morris can eventually return to good health, I'm more comfortable using the equivalent of a 4th round pick to keep him as a staff ace for next year.

The big downside is that my hold on a playoff spot is much more tenuous now without a real staff ace to lean on for the next six weeks. And of course there's no telling whether Morris will be effective the rest of this year. If he never returns to form I'm basically hosed but I made the offer knowing that. I knew it was going to take a quality offer to pry these guys away and with little time remaining until the deadline I made my "best offer" right off the bat.
_AGF - Thursday, July 24 2003 @ 05:48 PM EDT (#13796) #
I decided to go AWOL in Denmark far from any web connection just when the trading heated up, so maybe there are only scraps left. However, I am like most teams neither in nor out of the playoffs. I have keepers available, especially since we now can keep five (grief...). With Patterson and Griffey on the DL for the season, they are definetely available and I consider both of them potential keepers. Additionally, I am willing to trade pitching like Moyer, C. Zambrano, Lidle, Lilly (for Escobar?), and even Mariano Rivera for hitting.
Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, July 24 2003 @ 06:07 PM EDT (#13797) #
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I decided to go AWOL in Denmark far from any web connection just when the trading heated up, so maybe there are only scraps left.

Dude.. you're losing to *me* this week and after the white flag trade, my rotation now consists of a septic tank pump truck, a Rawlings Power Pitch 'N' Hit Baseball Pitching Machine, my cat Ben, and the ghost of Steve Allen. Fortunately my lineup consists of Larry Walker, Bobby Abreu, Derek Jeter, Vernon Wells, and a bag of moldy breadcrumbs.

I'm sure you'll end up winning this week, though. Any team that loses to the post-trade Fish Candy ought to be relegated to the University of Rochester Graduate Student Softball League.

Mike
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