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I've been thinking lately (always a dangerous practice, I know), and was wondering:


- How much pure luck is needed to build a good pitching staff?

As any disciple of Bill James will tell you, hitting is fairly predictable. Sure, there are players who make an unexpected leap forward in any given year (Crash Myers, Melvin Mora), and others who inexplicably drop into the toilet (Pat Burrell, anybody who ever plays for my NL roto team). But, for the most part, hitters' careers follow a fairly consistent pattern.

Pitchers, on the other hand, defy analysis. Can anybody, for example, explain the career of Jose Lima? And did anybody predict that Esteban Loaiza would explode on the league this year?

My point is that the Beanes and Ricciardis of this world (or, rather, the DePodestas and Laws of this world) can crunch numbers, project performance, and find hitters who can provide value at low cost. But even the world's most sophisticated analytical model of baseball cannot predict which pitchers are going to suddenly find their control or lose it, or which pitchers are going to luck out and have their hard-hit balls land in gloves and which aren't.

In which case, can we blame J.P. for not building a good bullpen, when building a good bullpen basically depends on chance?

(By the way, I still think that the main reason that Billy Beane is considered a genius is because the A's have Mulder, Hudson and Zito. And that might just be plain old luck, though Moneyball claims that Beane signed Zito when other teams passed on him.)

- Is it possible to be too good at hitting a baseball to be successful?

I've had the privilege of watching Frank Catalanotto swing a bat for the better part of a year, and I'm impressed by his plate coverage. He fouls off pitches he can't hit hard, and can usually do something useful with almost any pitch in or anywhere near the strike zone. (During the Boston series, he got a solid base hit on a Wakefield knuckleball that wound up at ankle level.) But I'm wondering: is he hitting too many borderline pitches hard, when he should be taking them and thus increasing his chances of a walk?

Cat's hitting nearly .300, but he's tied for ninth (!!) on the team in walks, with 18. He's also ninth on the team in strikeouts, with 48, and ninth on the team in OBP with .334. Would he be better off risking being called out on strikes more often in order to increase his walk total? Can a hitter like Cat even learn not to swing hard at borderline pitches? Should teams be trying to avoid "bad-ball hitters" that can hit balls out of the strike zone hard?
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Gitz - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 01:32 PM EDT (#96941) #
Dave, we've certainly debated the IQ level of Beane here in the past, and the idea he was built solely on the Big Three was met with some skepticism then, as I expect it will be now. I was on the fence then, and I am on the fence now. This particular offense is lousy, absolutely lousy, and I don't know whose fault that is, if it's anyone's. I do know that nearly everyone but Beane knew the offense would stink. I'm working on a longer piece about the Athletics and their style, but that won't be ready for a bit, and it will probably be posted to my own blog (some of my ESPN readers suggested I do one, the poor fools) once I get off my tookus (sp?) to start it.

I believe the Braves selected Zito out of high school, but BZ chose, as any smart 18-year-old kid would, to go to USC, work on his curve and tan simultaneously, mature into the zany freak he is now, and, of course, partake of the lovely USC women -- one of which was foolish enough to marry me. Ah, pity. Where would I be without it?
_mathesond - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 03:31 PM EDT (#96942) #
tuckus
Coach - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 04:19 PM EDT (#96943) #
Pitchers, on the other hand, defy analysis.

You can still find an Aquilino Lopez or a Corey Thurman via Rule 5, or useful fillers on the waiver wire, but you can't be as confident that any particular pitcher will pan out.

J.P. is in a position where he can't make any expensive mistakes. I know, some people think Sturtze, Creek and Tam were expensive mistakes, but not compared to what other teams wasted on Chan Ho Park, Mike Hampton, Omar Daal, et al, or what this organization blew on Joey Hamilton and others. Since there's no guarantee of future performance, why not collect a bunch of possibilities like Pete Walker, Juan Acevedo or John Wasdin and cross your fingers?

On the racetrack, there's a process called "claiming" -- each horse in a claiming race is for sale at a specified price. If you have reason to believe that another stable has undervalued their horse, you can put in a claim before the race, and when it's over, the horse is yours. Sometimes, you claim a horse for $8,000 and it turns out to be worth $80,000 -- but not often. Other times, you risk $50,000 on an animal that breaks down. Succesful claiming trainers don't expect to make money on every transaction; they all make mistakes, but the good ones make fewer mistakes, and the best ones find more diamonds in the rough.

Building a pitching staff on a shoestring budget is a similar exercise. When you "claim" a Doug Davis, you're hardly playing a sure thing, but you're hoping that your coaching staff can make a difference. If it doesn't work out, you cut your losses and try again. Even a 25% success rate turns out far better than blowing millions on "proven" pitchers, who are just as likely to disappoint.

Are there any exceptions? Maybe young, talented, established, healthy guys like Roy Halladay. But even they suffer injuries; Mark Prior got hurt running the bases, and arms are fragile. The most cost-effective approach is to develop your own pitching. You can't count on any individual to make it, but if you have stockpiled enough talent, the numbers are in your favour. Not all of Arnold, Bush, McGowan, League, Perkins, Vermilyea, Banks and the rest of the young guns will succeed at the highest level, but some of them will. The Jays, and their fans, need to be patient.
Dave Till - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 04:32 PM EDT (#96944) #
Actually, now that I think of it, the very best way to build a pitching staff is to spend lots of money on the very best pitchers. The Diamondbacks won a world title by acquiring Johnson and Schilling and riding them all the way, while the Yankees have spent megabucks on Mussina, Wells, Clemens and Pettitte (whom they re-signed for big money).

Failing that, the second-best way is to stockpile a whole bunch of pitchers, and keep the ones who work out (as Coach suggests).

I will be extremely perturbed, to put it mildly, if Halladay signs to a big-money team for big bucks. I do not want to see the Good Doctor in pinstripes.
Dave Till - Monday, July 21 2003 @ 04:52 PM EDT (#96945) #
Actually, now that I think of it, the very best way to build a pitching staff is to spend lots of money on the very best pitchers

On re-reading my last post, I should change this to "the very best pitchers available". The Yankees' rotation isn't the best in the league, but it's the best money could buy.
_Jabonoso - Tuesday, July 22 2003 @ 01:34 PM EDT (#96946) #
Besides having a good scouting and numbers-crushing team the limited resource of good pitchers or good batters available makes the team building effort a very difficult exercise. It was not either good luck or an act of sheer intelligence to have the line up we have. JP did accept the job in Toronto because there was a good base to build upon, and the good performances of the Phelps, Hinkes, Woodwards, only helped for the contract extensions. Not having that for pitching, plus so many being hurt, have made the rotation and pen building efforts look very bad. If you look at how some teams have success at building a good pen year in and year out ( actually to have a good rotation is far more difficult because of its cost to maintain it ) like the Angels and even some teams without much dough ( like Brews, spos etc. ) you have to admit that there is success when you know what to look for.
_Homer Jay - Tuesday, July 22 2003 @ 02:47 PM EDT (#96947) #
Dave:
Not scouting well Loaiza at the end of last year was a big mistake by our pitching staff. His brother just said in an interview that he is very , very grateful to his BJ's pitching coach for teaching him that cutter, that he always have his location but he was very frustated for hitters to be waiting for his fastball due to his lack of repertoire.
Craig B - Tuesday, July 22 2003 @ 03:46 PM EDT (#96948) #
On re-reading my last post, I should change this to "the very best pitchers available". The Yankees' rotation isn't the best in the league, but it's the best money could buy.

Oh boy! I get to start a fight!

Actually, the Yankees' rotation is the best in the league, by a fair way. They are 4th in ERA by starters due to their crappy defense.

DIPS ERA, starting rotations...

1. New York 3.76
2. Boston 3.97
3. Oakland 4.31

Let the flamewar begin!
robertdudek - Tuesday, July 22 2003 @ 06:27 PM EDT (#96950) #
Craig,

You are forgetting about park factors. Boston moves ahead, I think.
Craig B - Tuesday, July 22 2003 @ 07:12 PM EDT (#96951) #
Yeah, I am, Robert. Is the Fenway/Yankee difference greater than 5%? I suppose it must be.
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