Batter's Box Interactive Magazine - Game 96: Doc Goes For 14

Roy Halladay hasn't lost in a long, long time -- 18 starts, to be exact. That 13-0 streak includes three no-decisions against these Red Sox, none more frustrating than last week's 9-inning, one-run heartbreaker. Derek Lowe has a 6.61 ERA this year in three games against the Jays, who are hitting a mere .365 as a team against him. The math seems easy enough. It's always a treat to watch Doc operate, and though I'm not as optimistic about the rest of this series, it's good to begin on a winning note.

Bobby Kielty will hit sixth, as I hoped. If Embree (or any lefty reliever) is brought in to face Delgado, Tosca can bat Wilson for Myers and turn Bobby around to his more dangerous side.

Just wondering if anyone's heard -- will Hendrickson be recalled to start against the Yankees? If they bring Doc back Monday on short rest (which hasn't backfired yet) then Tuesday, it's either Lurch, Wasdin on short rest in Yankee Stadium (yikes!) or "Charlie Wholestaff" -- Thurman, Kershner and company. The Jays don't have an off day until the 28th (and only two in the next month) so they will need at least a 4.5 man rotation.

Posted by Coach on Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 07:00 AM EDT.

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_Spicol - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 07:33 PM EDT (#97187) #

Kielty sports the Mulliniksish no-batting-glove look. Neat.

_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 07:41 PM EDT (#97188) #

Kielty singled and scored. Neat.

_Spicol - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 07:47 PM EDT (#97189) #

After 2 innings, Kielty sports a 1.000 OBP and a 1.000 FP as a Blue Jay. He's on pace to score 268 runs between now and October. What's Stewart done for the Twinkies? Nuthin.

Coach - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 07:50 PM EDT (#97190) #

Kielty's smash down the line took a Fenway hop, or it would have been at least a double. I really like Hinske hitting behind him, even though Eric didn't connect this time. Chris Woodward cashed Bobby in with a 2-out double. It didn't take long to make an impact.

Doc looks very good, as we've come to expect, and the Toronto hitters are doing their best to wear out Lowe (46 pitches through two).

Tom Cheek reports that Cliff Politte threw very well on the side today. He'll have one more session in the 'pen before beginning a rehab assignment. That's especially good news if you own him in the BBFL, but of course, you don't.

_Shrike - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 08:03 PM EDT (#97191) #

Well, I'm happy to own him in another league which you're very familiar with, Coach. You know, the one where I just traded for Pedro Martinez? ;)

Gitz - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 08:07 PM EDT (#97192) #

For all those interested, Shannon Stewart is leading off tonight -- and DHing.

Lucas - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 08:07 PM EDT (#97193) #

2-2. Did I mention I'm not particularly fond of this trade?

BTW, Shannon is leading off and playing...DH.

So, not only is Kielty gone, but LeCroy is now on the bench.

Great, just great....

_Bobby Kielty - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 08:07 PM EDT (#97194) #

I hit because I'm happy,
I hit because I'm free,
For my eye is on the baseball,
And I know it fears me.

Coach - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 08:08 PM EDT (#97195) #

Weird one. The shortstop throws the ball into right field, so the third base coach decides to send the runner (who was off with the pitch from first) all the way home. The supposed defensive liability at 1B hustles and makes a perfect throw to cut down the tying run at the plate. Another Woodward miscue, cancelled by Delgado's heroics. One of those plays you practice every day in spring training.

Kielty is 2-for-2. Did we mention he's even better against lefty pitching? Hinske walks, and the bases are loaded with nobody out.

Coach - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 08:17 PM EDT (#97196) #

Three-run double for the new leadoff man! Kielty scores again. What was that other guy's name again? The brutal fielder? I didn't think I was going to miss him.

Lucas - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 08:18 PM EDT (#97197) #

Shannon just popped up to second base in his debut AB.

_Spicol - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 08:19 PM EDT (#97198) #

After 4 innings, Kielty still sports a 1.000 OBP and a 1.000 FP as a Blue Jay. He's still on pace to score 268 runs between now and October. Shannon Stewart is batting a horrendous .000 as a Twin.

Small sample size excuses are like, a crutch, man.

Lucas - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 08:32 PM EDT (#97199) #

Okay, so I'm not sure what to think now.

Stewart made an out leading off and now the Twins have 6 hits (and 4 runs) in a row!

_Spicol - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 08:39 PM EDT (#97200) #

Are you kidding me? You don't even want to hear what he's on pace for now. He's wears that 24 so much better than whatshisface.

Coach - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 08:41 PM EDT (#97201) #

Boom! Kielty goes deep. Told you he liked lefties better.

You have to wonder about the Twins' scouting reports. They could have just browsed the BB archives to learn that Stewart pouts when asked to DH. Combined with even the suggestion of trying him in right field, that tells me they didn't do their homework. To get that not-quite-Kielty-level OBP from Shannon, you have to let him choose his position, and where he hits in the order. A real team-first guy. At least Ryan didn't give up too much for him.

_Chuck Swirsky - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 08:44 PM EDT (#97202) #

Are you kidding me?

Hey! I'll sue!

_Spicol - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#97203) #

Chuck, shouldn't you be recording commercials for little shoe stores in Hamilton or something?

Coach - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 08:57 PM EDT (#97205) #

Why would Grady bring in Chad Fox for Fossum with Cat and Delgado coming up? Is he going for the element of surprise?

OK, he fanned Catalanotto, but I still don't understand.

_Lurch - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 09:11 PM EDT (#97206) #

How many shutouts would Doc have if not for all these homers?

Coach - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 09:12 PM EDT (#97207) #

will Hendrickson be recalled to start against the Yankees?

Thanks to Jerry Howarth (can't listen to that buffoon Faulds any more) for answering my question. It's affirmative. In fact, Jerry says it will be Escobar going tomorrow, then Lidle, with Wasdin moved into the sacrificial role against Pedro Sunday. Lurch goes Monday in the Bronx, followed by Doc on normal rest. I don't get enough credit around here for the number of my wishes and lucky guesses that turn out to be accurate predictions.

Howarth just credited the Jays for their eleven full count at-bats tonight. Mike Barnett must feel like a proud papa.

_the shadow - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#97208) #

Please promise me they won't go to the BP tonight

_Chuck Van Den C - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 09:14 PM EDT (#97209) #

John Cerutti: "No lead is safe in Fenway."

More like no cliche is safe around Cerutti.

_Geoff North - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#97210) #

Man I'm going to miss Kielty in the BBFL - not that he was going to be a big help to my team the rest of the way.

_Chuck Van Den C - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#97211) #

Aaron: Stewart made an out leading off and now the Twins have 6 hits (and 4 runs) in a row!

That's because the Twins finally have a legitimate leadoff man. (ducking)

It's funny listening to Cerutti trying to explain why this trade works for both teams. Having Stewart affords the Twins the opportunity to move Jones out of the leadoff spot and into an RBI slot. I guess it never occurred to him (or Gardengnome) that Kielty could have just as easily served the same purpose.

Lucas - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#97212) #

It should amuse you all that, while Kielty was going 3 for his first 3 with a homer, Stewart made 2 outs in the first inning.

_Spicol - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 09:22 PM EDT (#97213) #

And now Stewart made another out in the 4th.

0-3

_Lurch - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 09:26 PM EDT (#97214) #

I have to wonder why the bullpen warms in that inning...Doc wasn't really struggling, the grounders were just being placed poorly for him. To say nothing of that "earned" run.

_Donkit R.K. - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#97215) #

I think that reading this thread ( I just read from the beginning until this message for the first time ) might be the first time I've laughed out loud at Da Box. Poor Aaron.....

PS: Was it just me, or at the very top of the show when they showed Faulds and Cerutti, did Cerutti look like he had coated his hair with baby powder. I thought it was a disturbing image :-)

_Donkit R.K. - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 09:39 PM EDT (#97217) #

Does Cerutti think we're stupid. He just explained late movement. And all along I thought that meant.... I have nothing witty here. It means it moves late jackass :-)

_Donkit R.K. - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 09:40 PM EDT (#97218) #

I don't know the more disturbing image. The man taking his time to fill his hair with baby powder or his hair being full of another man's dried salive :-)

Coach - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 09:48 PM EDT (#97219) #

Tonight, shortly after I hit the TV mute and turned on the radio, I realized what it is that bugs me about Faulds. He has a pleasant voice and is probably a nice man, but Rob has no clue -- not the foggiest notion -- what might happen next in a baseball game. Therefore, everything that occurs is a complete surprise.

He doesn't know what the pitcher is trying to accomplish, or what the hitter has in mind, so it's a complete mystery to Faulds who is "winning" an at-bat. He's not capable of intelligent commentary, because he doesn't understand what he's watching. His signature call, "inside... for a strike," tells you everything you need to know about his ability to recognize a pitch, and the famous Myers homer to shallow right-center suggests his vision gets even worse after the ball is in play.

Give us a break. Give Mike Wilner a chance in the Sportsnet booth.

_Chuck Van Den C - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 09:55 PM EDT (#97220) #

It should amuse you all that, while Kielty was going 3 for his first 3 with a homer, Stewart made 2 outs in the first inning.

Why the complaining? It's not like Kielty tied any major league records tonight.

_Duane Grassbaug - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 09:59 PM EDT (#97221) #

Stew now 0-4, and someone better update that July OPS for Kielty, wonder if he is still in a 200 AB slump!

Coach - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 10:02 PM EDT (#97222) #

He just explained late movement

Earlier, Cerutti explained pitching in similar depth. "It's called the two seam fastball because it's thrown with two seams." That clears it up, if anyone was wondering where the name originated.

Wilner's audition, if it ever happens, would be a lot more successful if his "colour man" had a personality, or insight, instead of just babbling in announcer-speak.

_Jurgen - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 10:05 PM EDT (#97223) #

Home run? Dammit, where can a get one of Tucker's shoes?

If Kielty does become the next Brian Giles, I'll just ride him even harder for not being Barry Bonds.

_Donkit R.K. - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 10:07 PM EDT (#97224) #

I caught the two-seam comment too, Coach but by the time I logged into the Box I had forgotten about it and was marvelling at the late movement explanation. Hey Chuck, I haven't been watching the game closely since just before Kielty's home run. What's the record? TB in a debut w/ a new team?

_Donkit R.K. - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 10:07 PM EDT (#97225) #

Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#97226) #

http://economics.about.com
Stew now 0-4, and someone better update that July OPS for Kielty, wonder if he is still in a 200 AB slump!

Don't know if you had a chance to see it, but in the other forum I posted the stats showing that the slump was nowhere near being statistically significant, which pretty much kills the biggest argument against Kielty.

Nice to say the Jays get one. Too bad the Indians couldn't hang on against the Yankees.. otherwise it would have been a perfect night.

Mike

_Donkit R.K. - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 10:13 PM EDT (#97227) #

How's this for a record... "Biggest difference in production between two guys traded for each other in their debut games with their new teams". Maybe someone can make that a little more concise ;-)

_Duane Grassbaug - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 10:14 PM EDT (#97228) #

That was basically my point.... I figured the one good game would raise the numbers enough so as to not look as bad as what they were made out to be....thus showing they weren't significant. I love the trade, I picked up Kielty in my Yahoo league the second the trade went down....

_John Neary - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 10:16 PM EDT (#97229) #

Wow, Shannon Stewart was on pace to make 1242 outs for the Twins this year after his first inning.

Incidentally, did anyone keep track of how many times Faulds (or was it Cerutti?) called Kielty "the new guy" tonight?

_Donkit R.K. - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 10:22 PM EDT (#97230) #

I quit listening to Faulds and Cerutti, and at least one other guy here, Coach, did too. I was too busy going back to Cerutti's hair and the amusing fact that Kielty's helmet looked like it didn't fit right (anyone else notice he took it off and every oppurtunity and that when he didn't have time for that, he was fiddling with it anyway!?).

_Chuck Van Den C - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 10:26 PM EDT (#97231) #

Wow, Shannon Stewart was on pace to make 1242 outs for the Twins this year after his first inning.

With all due respect, that's ridiculous. There's no way they're not pinch-hitting for him after the first 1000 outs.

_Spicol - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 10:27 PM EDT (#97232) #

With all due respect, that's ridiculous. There's no way they're not pinch-hitting for him after the first 1000 outs.

And miss all the benefits of a proven leadoff hitter? You're insane!

Craig B - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 10:36 PM EDT (#97233) #

someone better update that July OPS for Kielty

The July figures were .244/.358/.311 for a 670 OPS

Now they are .286/.386/.408 for a 794 OPS

Pistol - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 11:32 PM EDT (#97234) #

Here comes the next hot streak! Watch out Boston and Oakland!

_Eric C - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 11:38 PM EDT (#97235) #

Apparently Stewart's equipment didn't arrive, so he had to borrow a bat from Luis Rivas (kinda explains his bad night). Poor Shannon, he should have borrowed the bat from Koskie...

Lucas - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 11:49 PM EDT (#97236) #

the amusing fact that Kielty's helmet looked like it didn't fit right (anyone else notice he took it off and every oppurtunity and that when he didn't have time for that, he was fiddling with it anyway!?).

You'll see plenty more of that too. Kielty touches the top of his helmet between every single pitch.

At least the Twins won behind Shannon's 0-5, otherwise I might be on a plane to Canada right now...

_John Neary - Thursday, July 17 2003 @ 11:50 PM EDT (#97237) #

Mike and I are still arguing over in another thread whether Kielty's slugging percentage since April is different from his slugging percentage in the rest of his major league career with a significance level of 0.05, although we both agree that the results of the analysis are meaningless anyway. I would advise everyone to avoid that thread. ;)

However, according to my math, Kielty's p value went up from 0.036 to 0.096 tonight. Since Mike thinks that the p value was already higher than that, I can officially declare that Bobby Kielty is not in a two-and-a-half month slump.

_Bobby Faulds - Friday, July 18 2003 @ 12:07 AM EDT (#97238) #

http://www2.sportsnet.ca/bios/faulds_rob.shtml
Click on my name to go to my bio.

All in all, I go by a simple philosophy: �Know your stuff and have fun.�

Well, at least I'm having fun.

_jason - Friday, July 18 2003 @ 04:55 AM EDT (#97239) #

The D.O.C. beat the Yanks and Red Sox handily in back-to-back starts. Lets see Loiza do that.

Craig B - Friday, July 18 2003 @ 08:39 AM EDT (#97240) #

The pic of Faulds in his bio makes him look like Jackie Harvey, which is an analogy so perfect I'm going to start calling him that.

_Pfizer - Friday, July 18 2003 @ 10:02 AM EDT (#97241) #

If I hear him referred to as "The New Guy!" one more time, I'm going to jab a pen in both my ears.

_Ken - Friday, July 18 2003 @ 10:04 AM EDT (#97242) #

the same pen?

hows that work exactly? :)

_Comic Book Guy - Friday, July 18 2003 @ 10:06 AM EDT (#97243) #

Best... trade... ever.

_Pfizer - Friday, July 18 2003 @ 10:06 AM EDT (#97244) #

Sure the same pen (No need to ruin two perfectly fine pens). But I'd do one ear - pull the pen out, then the other ear. It's the fiscally responsible way to go.

_Ken - Friday, July 18 2003 @ 10:28 AM EDT (#97245) #

but its just not the same if you do the ears seperatly,
it must be done with coordination and precise timing, otherwise how are we to lower our pain thresholds!???

_Donkit R.K. - Friday, July 18 2003 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#97246) #

I was tlakign about on the basepaths (with his helmet) but thanks Aaron. Saves Kielty some ridicule on my behlad for tonight's game ;-)

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