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Our friend Jayson Stark is back with another Rumblings column, kind of like Peter Gammons' Diamond Notes but without quite as many pulled-from-a-hat trade rumours. Jayson is still pretty pumped about his hometown Phillies, but he had a few words about the Blue Jays:


Blue Jays shortstop Felipe Lopez: "Seems like he's a driven guy down there. Made some outstanding plays -- and made the routine play. There's a lot of interest in him, and with his ability, there's no reason he shouldn't be a premium shortstop. What worries me is that I've seen him during the year, and there are times he really has trouble concentrating."

Best trade rumor bouncing around Puerto Rico lately: Lopez to the Orioles for Sidney Ponson.

Speaking of the Toronto rotation, Chris Carpenter is now a free agent and probably can't pitch again until at least next August after shoulder surgery. But the Blue Jays have made him a multiyear offer. He has until Tuesday to say yes or no.


dp will be happy to hear a good report on F-Lo -- it could well be that Lopez realized his career was this close to going off the rails and decided to do something about it. Still, an anonymous scout is an anonymous scout, and even he concedes Lopez may have concentration issues. I won't rehash the should-they-or-shouldn't-they debate, but good news of any kind is welcome with regard to Felipe: the better he's doing, the better off the Jays are, whether he stays or goes.

Trade rumours are best ignored till verified by at least one other source, but I'll pause long enough to say that this rumour would be better categorized as wishful thinking out of Camden Yards. The Orioles have been offering Ponson up around the league for months now. He just came off his best big-league season: 7-9, 4.09, 176 IP, 172 H, 63 BB, 120 K, 107 ERA+. That says #4 starter to me, maybe #3, and Toronto has plenty of those types, and without a medical or personality history. JP may be down on Felipe, but I seriously doubt he's going to give him away.

It'd be nice to have Chris Carpenter back someday ... but it would've been nice to have Mike Sirotka back too. In my mind, I've now classified both those guys together. That's a little unfair, since Carp's upside was always higher and he hasn't fallen quite so far, but AFAIC Carpenter's return is nothing to mark on your calendar. I'd like to see him signed with Toronto, but that's the last I'll think about him for awhile.
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_Sean - Friday, December 06 2002 @ 01:52 PM EST (#101670) #
I admit this is a trifle mean-spirited, but I have to embody the lawyer stereotype every so often. Isn't Carpenter one of the scruffiest players in the major leagues? I mean, one look at him when he's gone without shaving for a few days...brrr!

On a serious note, I view Carpenter as an unacceptable risk, unless he's willing to sign for peanuts. As far as Felipe Lopez--there's no reason why he couldn't make the team as the starting shortstop on pure talent. Woodward's hitting last season reminds me of Voros McCracken's quip about small sample sizes. JP could thus showcase his talent to his counterparts and move him for more value, if he's looking to move him for pitching.
_DS - Friday, December 06 2002 @ 01:53 PM EST (#101671) #
Isn't Ponson a free agent after next season? All the more reason not to make this trade. It's not like he has a real high upside or anything.

I'm indifferent to Carpenter. Maybe it's because of all those years of "potential" and never delivering on it. Now that I think of it, he seems pretty similar to Ponson. By the time Carp is ready to pitch effectively for Toronto, he might already be supplanted by prospects or other pitchers JP ends up acquiring. I can't see JP offering anything more than a base contract with plenty of incentives.
Craig B - Friday, December 06 2002 @ 03:29 PM EST (#101672) #
I have to embody the lawyer stereotype every so often. Isn't Carpenter one of the scruffiest players in the major leagues? I mean, one look at him when he's gone without shaving for a few days...brrr!

Hey, some of us lawyers ain't too pretty neither.

Some of us 'uns don't speak too good English, too, dagnabbit.
_Kent - Friday, December 06 2002 @ 04:39 PM EST (#101673) #
The healthy Carpenter is a .500 pitcher so far, underachieving when you consider how good his deuce is. Needs to throw it more on 0-0 and 1-1 to get ahead. He's yet to master his stuff for any significant length of time, but shows flashes of brilliance. I don't care if he stays or goes, but I think he deserves a fair contract offer with generous incentives.

Ponson and Lopez might both benefit from a change of scenery, but I'd be disappointed if that's all Felipe is worth. Agreed, it's a pipe dream originating in Baltimore.
_dp - Friday, December 06 2002 @ 05:21 PM EST (#101674) #
If that's all they got for Lopez, I'd be shocked.

I'm a big fan of not dealing a guy when his value is low. Lopez is at that point right now where it looks like he can't handle the bigs, but I don't think that's the case. Again, I think the Jays made a huge mistake by not giving him 80 AB in September to see if he learned anything translatable at AAA. Middle infielders, or even third basemen, who have 30 HR potential and a year of ML experience at 23 are hard to come by, and a trade should value him in that light.
_jason - Friday, December 06 2002 @ 06:12 PM EST (#101675) #
Lopez for Ponson? That sounds like wishfull thinking on the part of Orioles officials. The Jays need a #2 guy not Ponson. JP isnt stupid.

The Orioles are in bad shape. They have nothing in the minors and besides Lopez and Julio and maybe Jay Gibbons they have nobody with trade value. And we've seen the success they've had trying their hand at free agency. Truly a badly run franchise.
_dp - Friday, December 06 2002 @ 07:00 PM EST (#101676) #
I loved all the talk earlier this year when the Jays were struggling about how the O's were in better shape than the Jays. I think September put that thinking in the proper light.

As a side not, I was at the Jays/Bal'mer game in September where Hendickson shut down the O's. It was the first Jays victory I'd ever been present for, and the O's were absolutely humiliated. Their offense was absolutely worthless, even though it didn't seem like Hendickson was that dominating. Great series.
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