Best and Worst by Position Jays All-Time
Friday, February 23 2024 @ 10:22 PM EST
Contributed by: John Northey
As we head towards a new season I thought it would be fun to see how good/bad it can get at each position and when we had that.
Minimum is 81 games at a position (1/2 of a season). I figured that is a safe measure to use to avoid weird results while still getting 40 or so per position. Stats are via FanGraphs which I downloaded all the data from so WAR is FanGraphs version. This gives us 173 player seasons to look at (limited to one position 120 games). Just 9 times did a guy play 120+ games with under 1000 defensive innings, the lowest being Santiago Espinal in 2022 at 2B (945 innings). 1443 is the most defensive innings by Tony Fernandez in 1986 (163 games, only missed 33 innings on defense).
A few interesting stats on defense first (as we know the least about defense offhand)...
- For OAA (Outs Above Average - 2016 and up) the Jays record is 13 by Kevin Kiermaier last year, also over 10 are Kevin Pillar 2016, Daulton Varsho last year (in just 64 games in CF) and 2022 Santiago Espinal at 2B. The worst was Vlad in 2019 at 3B -20, others at -10 or worse were Vlad 2023 at 1B and Devon Travis at 2B in 2018
- For DRS (Defensive Runs Saved - 2002 and up) the Jays record is 26 by Aaron Hill in 2006 at 2B (I think we've forgotten how good he was). Others over 20 are Orlando Hudson (2B 2004), John McDonald (SS 2007), Aaron Hill again (2B 2007), Kevin Pillar (CF 2016), and Brett Lawrie (3B 2012). Worst is John Buck -19 as a C in 2010, others -10 and worse were (a long list) - David Eckstein (SS 2008), Vernon Wells (CF 2009), Adam Lind (LF 2009), Russ Adams (SS 2005), Aaron Hill (SS 2006), Vernon Wells (CF 2008), Vernon Wells (CF 2003), José Reyes (SS 2014), Eric Hinske (3B 2004), J.P. Arencibia (C 2011), Dioner Navarro (C 2014), and Bo Bichette (SS 2022). Note: the overall record for the Jays is 29 by Varsho last year but it was split between CF (18) and LF (11).
- Just 2 Jays are over 20 for Defense overall at FG (2002 and up), both catchers - José Molina 2010 (26), and Russell Martin 2015 (21.7). Just 7 other seasons crack 15 with 5 of those being catchers (Kirk & Jansen both make that list in 2023 and 2019 respectively), the other 2 at 2B (Orlando Hudson 2004, Aaron Hill 2006). Best SS John McDonald 2007. Best OF Alex Rios (RF 2004), Vernon Wells (CF 2004), Reed Johnson (LF 2006) - also the only OF to crack 10 on this scale. Worst season for the OF, strangely enough, is Vernon Wells 2003 in CF at -16.8. The other 2 worse than -10 are Wells 2009 in CF and Jose Bautista 2011 in RF. Gotta say this makes me question the overall defensive scores from FG. Overall the worst Jay is Carlos Delgado at 1B in 2003 (no shock) at -18.2, 2nd is J.P. Arencibia at C in 2011 (no shocker) at -17.9, then Vlad in 2023 at 1B -17.2.
- Total Zone covers 1977-2002. Leaders are Devon White (CF 1992 33), Jesse Barfield (RF 1987 23), and Lloyd Moseby (CF 1984 20). The bottom was José Cruz Jr. CF 2001 -23, the only -20 on the list. 9 others were -10 to -15: John Mayberry 1B 1978, George Bell LF 1988, Joe Carter RF 1994, Shawn Green RF 1995, Joe Carter LF 1996, Otis Nixon CF 1996, Tony Fernandez 3B 1999, Alex Gonzalez SS 2000, Carlos Delgado 1B 2001 which kind of helps explain the ugly play we old folks recall from the 90's.
Those defensive stats show how much variability there is in judging defense still. Vernon Wells having the best and worst scores ever for Jay in the OF in 2004 and 2003 respectively is nuts. No way he shifted that much in a single season, from worst ever here to best ever in one off-season. That's like Kirby Puckett on offense - went from 0 HR in 1984 to 31 in 1986 playing full time both years (never bought that he did that without PEDs, especially if you look at him both years). Other shifts one can understand. Tony Fernandez when young was a wizard at SS, but old version was ugly at 3B (but nearly hit 400 that year - was over last on June 28th, peaked on June 21st at 414/491/573 then hit just 244/368/329 the rest of the way).
Now, on to the overall numbers by position including offense so we get fWAR leaders/losers at each position. I bolded the 'best of the best' and 'worst of the worst' for ease in quickly seeing just how good/bad things can get. Stats are for the full season, not just time at the one position.
| Best | Worst | Best | Worst | Best | Worst |
Position | Players | Who | Year | WAR | Who | Year | WAR | Who | Year | OPS | Who | Year | OPS | Who | Year | wRC+ | Who | Year | wRC+ |
C |
48 |
Russell Martin |
2015 |
4.5 |
J.P. Arencibia |
2011 |
-1.1 |
Greg Myers |
2003 |
.876 |
Ken Huckaby |
2002 |
.577 |
Greg Myers |
2003 |
127.2 |
Ken Huckaby |
2002 |
46.8 |
1B |
42 |
John Olerud |
1993 |
8.1 |
Justin Smoak |
2016 |
-0.4 |
Carlos Delgado |
2000 |
1.134 |
Doug Ault |
1977 |
.692 |
John Olerud |
1993 |
179.3 |
Doug Ault |
1977 |
83.0 |
2B |
35 |
Marcus Semien |
2021 |
6.3 |
Carlos Garcia |
1997 |
-2.2 |
Roberto Alomar |
1993 |
.900 |
Garth Iorg |
1987 |
.546 |
Roberto Alomar |
1993 |
142.3 |
Carlos Garcia |
1997 |
42.4 |
3B |
44 |
Josh Donaldson |
2015 |
8.7 |
Garth Iorg |
1984 |
-1.2 |
Josh Donaldson |
2016 |
.953 |
Garth Iorg |
1984 |
.548 |
Josh Donaldson |
2016 |
156.6 |
Garth Iorg |
1984 |
44.9 |
SS |
37 |
Bo Bichette |
2021 |
5.1 |
Alfredo Griffin |
1984 |
-1.9 |
Bo Bichette |
2021 |
.828 |
Alfredo Griffin |
1981 |
.531 |
Bo Bichette |
2022 |
129.7 |
Alfredo Griffin |
1981 |
43.6 |
LF |
35 |
George Bell |
1987 |
5.3 |
Joe Carter |
1996 |
-0.6 |
George Bell |
1987 |
.957 |
Dave Collins |
1983 |
.671 |
George Bell |
1987 |
143.4 |
Rajai Davis |
2012 |
83.5 |
CF |
40 |
Lloyd Moseby |
1984 |
6.9 |
Vernon Wells |
2009 |
-0.1 |
Vernon Wells |
2003 |
.909 |
Rick Bosetti |
1978 |
.645 |
Lloyd Moseby |
1983 |
135.3 |
Rick Bosetti |
1979 |
69.3 |
RF |
41 |
José Bautista |
2011 |
8.1 |
Bob Bailor |
1979 |
-1.3 |
José Bautista |
2011 |
1.056 |
Bob Bailor |
1979 |
.585 |
José Bautista |
2011 |
180.5 |
Bob Bailor |
1979 |
56.8 |
DH |
25 |
Paul Molitor |
1993 |
4.8 |
Adam Lind |
2010 |
-0.6 |
Edwin Encarnación |
2012 |
.941 |
Rance Mulliniks |
1991 |
.697 |
Edwin Encarnación |
'12&'15 |
150.2 |
Rico Carty |
1979 |
88.0 |
| Best Other |
Position | Who | Year | HR | Who | Year | Avg | Who | Year | OBP | Who | Year | Slg | Who | Year | SB |
C |
Russell Martin |
2015 |
23 |
Darrin Fletcher |
2000 |
.320 |
Greg Myers |
2003 |
.374 |
Darrin Fletcher |
2000 |
.514 |
Ernie Whitt |
1989 |
5 |
1B |
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. |
2021 |
48 |
John Olerud |
1993 |
.363 |
John Olerud |
1993 |
.473 |
Carlos Delgado |
2000 |
.664 |
Willie Upshaw |
1986 |
23 |
2B |
Marcus Semien |
2021 |
45 |
Roberto Alomar |
1993 |
.326 |
Roberto Alomar |
1993 |
.408 |
Marcus Semien |
2021 |
.538 |
Roberto Alomar |
1993 |
55 |
3B |
Tony Batista |
2000 |
41 |
Tony Fernandez |
1999 |
.328 |
Tony Fernandez |
1999 |
.427 |
Josh Donaldson |
2015 |
.568 |
Kelly Gruber |
1988 |
23 |
SS |
Bo Bichette |
2021 |
29 |
Tony Fernandez |
1987 |
.322 |
Tony Fernandez |
1987 |
.379 |
Bo Bichette |
2021 |
.484 |
Tony Fernandez |
1987 |
32 |
LF |
George Bell |
1987 |
47 |
Shannon Stewart |
2000 |
.319 |
Reed Johnson |
2006 |
.390 |
George Bell |
1987 |
.605 |
Dave Collins |
1984 |
60 |
CF |
José Cruz Jr. |
2001 |
34 |
Vernon Wells |
2003 |
.317 |
Otis Nixon |
1996 |
.377 |
Vernon Wells |
2003 |
.550 |
Otis Nixon |
1996 |
54 |
RF |
José Bautista |
2010 |
54 |
Shawn Green |
1999 |
.309 |
José Bautista |
2011 |
.447 |
José Bautista |
2010 |
.617 |
Shawn Green |
1998 |
35 |
DH |
Edwin Encarnación |
2016 |
42 |
Paul Molitor |
1994 |
.341 |
Paul Molitor |
1994 |
.341 |
Adam Lind |
2009 |
.562 |
Paul Molitor |
1993 |
22 |
| Worst Other |
Position | Who | Year | HR | Who | Year | Avg | Who | Year | OBP | Who | Year | Slg | Who | Year | SB |
C |
3 players |
|
0 |
J.P. Arencibia |
2013 |
.194 |
J.P. Arencibia |
2013 |
.227 |
Alan Ashby |
1977 |
.280 |
25 players |
|
0 |
1B |
John Olerud |
1995 |
8 |
Justin Smoak |
2019 |
.208 |
Adam Lind |
2011 |
.295 |
Willie Upshaw |
1986 |
.368 |
13 players |
|
0 |
2B |
3 players |
|
2 |
Aaron Hill |
2010 |
.205 |
Carlos Garcia |
1997 |
.253 |
Garth Iorg |
1987 |
.284 |
Danny Ainge |
1979 |
1 |
3B |
Garth Iorg |
'82&'84 |
1 |
Yangervis Solarte |
2018 |
.226 |
Garth Iorg |
1984 |
.244 |
Garth Iorg |
1984 |
.304 |
8 players |
|
0 |
SS |
3 players |
|
0 |
Alfredo Griffin |
1981 |
.209 |
Alfredo Griffin |
1981 |
.243 |
Luis Gomez |
1978 |
.254 |
2 players |
|
1 |
LF |
Dave Collins |
1983 |
1 |
Daulton Varsho |
2023 |
.220 |
Daulton Varsho |
2023 |
.285 |
Dave Collins |
1983 |
.328 |
2 players |
|
0 |
CF |
Otis Nixon |
1996 |
1 |
Lloyd Moseby |
1989 |
.221 |
Randal Grichuk |
2021 |
.281 |
Otis Nixon |
1996 |
.327 |
2 players |
|
0 |
RF |
3 players |
|
1 |
José Bautista |
2017 |
.203 |
Randal Grichuk |
2019 |
.280 |
Bob Bailor |
1979 |
.287 |
2 players |
|
1 |
DH |
Rance Mulliniks |
1991 |
2 |
Adam Lind |
2010 |
.237 |
Adam Lind |
2010 |
.287 |
Rance Mulliniks |
1991 |
.333 |
10 players |
|
0 |
Note: Players who played on a different team as well as the Jays didn't count as the system merged them into one row which messed this stuff up a bit. The only one I can think of it affected was CF worst - Bradley Zimmer in 100 games (104 PA) 'hit' 101/200/213 for a horrid 23 wRC+, -0.3 fWAR but he did hit 2 home runs, more than Otis Nixon 1996, and stole 3 bases (more than the 2 guys who were at 0). Otherwise Zimmer would own CF and many Jay worst ever records here. Those 9 games in Philly kept him from 'counting' when I put this together.
I find it amazing that Edwin Encarnacion had a first decimal identical season in wRC+. Funny that only 1 guy ever had a single SB while playing 2B all season (Ainge) while all other positions had at least 2. No shock a lot of the worst ever were in the 1970's when the Jays lost 100+ each season. Lots of high numbers for offense in the steroid era (1994-2004 roughly) despite the Jays never making the playoffs during that horrid stretch. Some names I hadn't remembered (Solarte I totally forgot about) and some I remembered fondly even though they often stunk (Iorg - I used to try to imitate the bizarre stance he had). I can just imagine how nuts this board would've been in '87 when McGriff and Fielder, two power hitting kids, were forced to share DH (with Fielder put in at 3B now and then which was quite entertaining) so Upshaw with a sub 400 Slg could play everyday at 1B. Kind of interesting that Grichuk holds the worst OBP for 2 different positions here.
One oddity - the best Jays team by W-L record was 1985's 99 win team, but not one player on that team made these lists. Other playoff years saw... 1989 had the worst CF Avg, best C SB; 1991 lowest DH HR, OPS and Slg; 1992 best Total Zone score (Devo in CF); 1993 Olerud at 1B best avg/OBP/WAR/wRC+, Alomar best avg/OBP/SB/OPS/wRC+ at 2B, Molitor the best WAR/SB at DH; 2015 best WAR/Slg 3B, best WAR/HR by a C; 2016 the worst WAR at 1B, best OPS/wRC+ at 3B, HR at DH; 2020 didn't count (60 games too few to use), 2022 best wRC+ at SS; 2023 worst Avg/OBP for a LF. So the only playoff year to not have anything 'wow' good or bad happen was 1985. When I do pitchers it'll be interesting to see if that changes (don't think it will thanks to Halladay)
Hopefully you all find this as fun as I did.
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