Top 10 and 30 Lists Summary

Saturday, March 10 2018 @ 04:23 PM EST

Contributed by: John Northey

Now that the last of the major lists has come out here are 10 of them summarized (not necessarily the best 10, just 10 I found and felt were reasonable). From big ones like MLB, FanGraphs, Baseball America, etc. down to blogs like Jays Journal and some weird place called Batters Box. I figured merging the results would provide a good summary of who is solid and who is weak in the system and find some oddball prospects.

First the lists by group...
RankBatters BoxBaseball AmericaMLB Early ListMLB Pipeline John SickelsKeith LawBaseball ProspectusProspects 1500Jays JournalBluebird Banter
#1Vladimir Guerrero Jr. | 3BVladimir Guerrero Jr. | 3BVladimir Guerrero Jr. | 3BVladimir Guerrero Jr. | 3BVladimir Guerrero Jr. | 3BVladimir Guerrero Jr. | 3BVladimir Guerrero Jr. | 3BVladimir Guerrero Jr. | 3BVladimir Guerrero Jr. | 3BVladimir Guerrero Jr. | 3B
#2Bo Bichette | SSBo Bichette | SSBo Bichette | SSBo Bichette | SSBo Bichette | SSBo Bichette | SSBo Bichette | SSBo Bichette | SSBo Bichette | SSBo Bichette | SS
#3Anthony Alford | OFAnthony Alford | OFAnthony Alford | OFAnthony Alford | OFAnthony Alford | OFAnthony Alford | OFAnthony Alford | OFAnthony Alford | OFAnthony Alford | OFAnthony Alford | OF
#4Danny Jansen | CNate Pearson | RHPLogan Warmoth | SSNate Pearson | RHPRyan Borucki | LHPNate Pearson | RHPNate Pearson | RHPSean Reid-Foley | RHPNate Pearson | RHPNate Pearson | RHP
#5Nate Pearson | RHPLourdes Gurriel Jr. | SSTJ Zeuch | RHPLogan Warmoth | SSNate Pearson | RHPLogan Warmoth | SSConner Greene | RHPNate Pearson | RHPLourdes Gurriel Jr. | SSDanny Jansen | C
#6Richard Urena | SSErick Pardihno | RHPSean Reid-Foley | RHPDanny Jansen | CDanny Jansen | CDanny Jansen | CLogan Warmoth | SSLogan Warmoth | SSLogan Warmoth | SSRyan Borucki | LHP
#7Ryan Borucki | LHPDanny Jansen | CNate Pearson | RHPErick Pardihno | RHPSean Reid-Foley | RHPRyan Borucki | LHPDanny Jansen | CLourdes Gurriel Jr. | SSDanny Jansen | CLogan Warmoth | SS
#8Sean Reid-Foley | RHPLogan Warmoth | SSMax Pentecost | CRyan Borucki | LHPLogan Warmoth | SSErick Pardihno | RHPSean Reid-Foley | RHPDanny Jansen | CTJ Zeuch | RHPTJ Zeuch | RHP
#9Logan Warmoth | SSRichard Urena | SSHagen Danner | CTJ Zeuch | RHPRiley Adams | CSean Reid-Foley | RHPRyan Borucki | LHPRichard Urena | SSSean Reid-Foley | RHPSean Reid-Foley | RHP
#10Riley Adams | CRyan Borucki | LHPRichard Urena | SSSean Reid-Foley | RHPTJ Zeuch | RHPTJ Zeuch | RHPTJ Zeuch | RHPTJ Zeuch | RHPRyan Borucki | LHPThomas Pannone | LHP
#11Edward Olivares | OFSean Reid-Foley | RHPRowdy Tellez | 1BRichard Urena | SSReese McGuire | CSamad Taylor | 2B--Rowdy Tellez | 1BRichard Urena | SSErick Pardihno | RHP
#12TJ Zeuch | RHPTJ Zeuch | RHPRyan Borucki | LHPMiguel Hiraldo | 3BSamad Taylor | 2BRichard Urena | SS--Ryan Borucki | LHPErick Pardihno | RHPRichard Urena | SS
#13Lourdes Gurriel Jr. | SSRyan Noda | 1BJustin Maese | RHPSamad Taylor | 2BCarlos Ramirez | RHPElieser Medrano | RHP--Max Pentecost | CRowdy Tellez | 1BJustin Maese | RHP
#14Conner Greene | RHPEdward Olivares | OFErick Pardihno | RHPReese McGuire | CRichard Urena | SSThomas Pannone | LHP--Conner Greene | RHPMax Pentecost | CRiley Adams | C
#15Max Pentecost | CReese McGuire | CRiley Adams | CRowdy Tellez | 1BThomas Pannone | LHPJustin Maese | RHP--Edward Olivares | OFHagen Danner | CReese McGuire | C
#16Rowdy Tellez | 1BConner Greene | RHPDanny Jansen | CRiley Adams | CRowdy Tellez | 1BMaximo Castillo | RHP--Justin Maese | RHPJustin Maese | RHPTaylor Guerrieri | RHP
#17Reese McGuire | CMiguel Hiraldo | 3BJonathan Davis | OFCarlos Ramirez | RHPMax Pentecost | CLuis de los Santos | SS--Taylor Guerrieri | RHPThomas Pannone | LHPRowdy Tellez | 1B
#18Justin Maese | RHPLeonardo Jimenez | 3BJordan Romano | RHPRyan Noda | 1BJosh Palacios | OFHagen Danner | C--Hagen Danner | CRiley Adams | CLourdes Gurriel Jr. | SS
#19Thomas Pannone | LHPCarlos Ramirez | RHPJon Harris | RHPKevin Smith | SSErick Pardihno | RHPJol Concepcion | RHP--Jon Harris | RHPTim Mayza | LHPZach Jackson | LHP
#20Hagen Danner | CRiley Adams | CThomas Pannone | LHPHagen Danner | CRyan Noda | 1BRiley Adams | C--Erick Pardihno | RHPJon Harris | RHPPatrick Murphy | RHP
#21Kevin Smith | SSRowdy Tellez | 1BReese McGuire | CMc Gregory Contreras | OF------Reese McGuire | CJordan Romano | RHPJordan Romano | RHP
#22Yeltsin Gudino | SSHarold Ramirez | OFZach Jackson | LHPLeonardo Jimenez | 3B------Riley Adams | CDwight Smith Jr | OFKevin Smith | SS
#23Erick Pardihno | RHPMax Pentecost | CFrancisco Rios | RHPKevin Vicuna | SS------Harold Ramirez | OFReese McGuire | CYennsy Diaz | RHP
#24Kevin Vicuna | SSMcGregory Contreras | CPatrick Murphy | RHPMaximo Castillo | RHP------Thomas Pannone | LHPAngel Perdomo | LHPRyan Gold | C
#25Zach Jackson | LHPKevin Vicuna | SSKevin Smith | SSJustin Maese | RHP------Kevin Smith | SSRoemon Fields | CFSamad Taylor | 2B
#26Jordan Romano | RHPKevin Smith | SSJosh Palacios | OFThomas Pannone | LHP------Ryan Noda | 1BKevin Smith | SSHagen Danner | C
#27Jon Harris | RHPJordan Romano | RHPYennsy Diaz | RHPJordan Romano | RHP------Angel Perdomo | LHPRyan Noda | 1BMax Pentecost | C
#28Angel Perdomo | LHPHagen Danner | CHarold Ramirez | OFJonathan Davis | OF------Kevin Vicuna | SSJosh Palacios | OFChavez Young | OF
#29Josh Palacios | OFJon Harris | RHPAngel Perdomo | LHPMax Pentecost | C------Josh Palacios | OFHarold Ramirez | OFDwight Smith Jr | OF
#30Patrick Murphy | RHPYennsy Diaz | RHPJuan Kelly | 1BJon Harris | RHP------Dwight Smith Jr | OFJonathan Davis | OFJackson McClelland | RHP

Now the summary by player, from how many lists they made, top 100 overall prospect lists rank, to an overall score based on 30 points for coming in #1 to 1 point for coming in 30th, to 0 points for not making the list. Note how in every last list Vlad was #1, Bo #2, and Alford #3 - I'd bet we've never seen such a strong consensus among so many different lists on the top 3 for the Jays.
 Top 100 List
Name | PositionNetRankListsBABPFGKATOH
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. | 3B30011034315
Bo Bichette | SS29021081997
Anthony Alford | OF28031060583647
Nate Pearson | RHP2644109176
Logan Warmoth | SS246510
Danny Jansen | C2386107151
Sean Reid-Foley | RHP229710
Ryan Borucki | LHP225810
TJ Zeuch | RHP216910
Richard Urena | SS185109
Erick Pardihno | RHP159119
Riley Adams | C135129
Rowdy Tellez | 1B128138
Reese McGuire | C111148
Lourdes Gurriel Jr. | SS107155
Thomas Pannone | LHP103168
Max Pentecost | C102178
Justin Maese | RHP101187
Hagen Danner | C94198
Conner Greene | RHP75204
Samad Taylor | 2B63214
Kevin Smith | SS53227
Edward Olivares | OF53223
Ryan Noda | 1B51245
Jordan Romano | RHP46256
Carlos Ramirez | RHP44263
Jon Harris | RHP42276
Miguel Hiraldo | 3B33282
Taylor Guerrieri | RHP29292
Zach Jackson | LHP27303
Josh Palacios | OF25315
Kevin Vicuna | SS24324
Harold Ramirez | OF22334
Maximo Castillo | RHP22332
Leonardo Jimenez | 3B22332
Patrick Murphy | RHP19363
Jonathan Davis | OF18373
Elieser Medrano | RHP18371
Angel Perdomo | LHP16394
Luis de los Santos | SS14401
Yennsy Diaz | RHP13413
Dwight Smith Jr | OF12423
Jol Concepcion | RHP12421
Tim Mayza | LHP12421
Mc Gregory Contreras | OF10451
Yeltsin Gudino | SS9461
Francisco Rios | RHP8471
Ryan Gold | C7481
McGregory Contreras | C7481
Roemon Fields | CF6501
Chavez Young | OF3511
Jackson McClelland | RHP1521
Juan Kelly | 1B1521


In the end there are 13 players named only once. Listed by who listed them and in brackets at what ranking. I think poorly of a list that has too many at high rankings that no one else saw fit to list, and if a batch of players are ranked only once then that would be a poor reflection on the Jays as it would mean they don't have clear top prospects but instead a mish mash. Luckily non had unique players in the top 12.

Another measure of list quality is who is missed the least often. If you don't have Vlad & Bo then you clearly don't have a clue.
So a few prospects have been traded this winter - Conner Greene (4 lists - 5th by BP, out of top 10 in other 3), Jared Carkuff (no lists), Edward Olivares (3 lists, peak of #11), J.B. Woodman (no lists). Only Conner Greene was ranked high by any lists and then only by one so I don't see this as a major factor in any respect. FYI: Greene was part of the deal to get Randal Grichuk who is probably going to be the nearly everyday LF this year.

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